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| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:45 |
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| ShadowJK | One of my coworkers received his tohkb2, but not me :( | 05:52 |
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| Stskeeps | FWIW: According to Yota Devices CEO Vlad Martyanov: | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | We do not have any ongoing development of Jolla version of YotaPhone. I can’t say how things will turn in the future. May be Sailfish will obtain a certain market share as mobile OS. | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | At this point of time, we are fully committed to Android and recently migrated our customer base to 5.0 and working on the next generation of Android OS. | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | see http://www.talkandroid.com/254850-yotaphone-isnt-leaving-android-after-all/?utm_source=feedburner-ta&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AndroidNewsGoogleAndroidForums+%28TalkAndroid+-+Android+News%2C+Rumours%2C+and+Updates%29 | 06:46 |
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| Stskeeps | (this is just something i saw on the internet, not a statement from jolla..) | 06:50 |
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| inte | Morning | 07:47 |
| inte | So, the "Jotaphone" announcement is for real? | 07:47 |
| inte | I pretty much like the Yotaphone hardware | 07:48 |
| inte | That will be cool in either case! | 07:48 |
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| tbr | The CEO of Yota has gone on record with a statement that seems to indicate they are still committed to Android. http://www.talkandroid.com/254850-yotaphone-isnt-leaving-android-after-all/ | 07:49 |
| tbr | oh, same link as above... | 07:49 |
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| inte | wow | 07:52 |
| inte | thats sad | 07:52 |
| inte | where did that Yahoo story originate from then? | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | hehe, maybe they released the yahoo article, saw the huge backlash and quickly went back to android :D | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | because people were furious | 07:53 |
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| inte | Backlash? | 07:53 |
| Nicd- | android users were pretty pissed/disappointed | 07:54 |
| inte | They have a rather small market share, why not coming up with a sailfish-series? | 07:54 |
| inte | android users are pussys | 07:54 |
| inte | their OS sucks anyway:-) | 07:54 |
| * inte never really had an android phone | 07:55 | |
| inte | but whenever I use one I find it somewhat old-fashioned | 07:55 |
| inte | reminds me of Nokia S60 | 07:55 |
| inte | endless menus | 07:56 |
| Helle | Android is so terrible.... | 07:56 |
| Helle | I have several Android devices, including tablets (and I need a new Android phone for some NFC work) | 07:56 |
| Helle | and the OS is so terribly designed and even with better UI guidelines, actual UI consistency on SailfishOS is so much higher..... | 07:57 |
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| inte | I find it most anoying that it always has a little lag for each operation | 08:02 |
| inte | like, pushing the menu button, one second lag, menu appears | 08:02 |
| inte | probably because of the VM | 08:02 |
| inte | not good | 08:03 |
| inte | Regarding NFC: I dont really understand why jolla didnt put an NFC chip in the tablet | 08:04 |
| Helle | inte: no, there is actually lag on most real devices | 08:04 |
| inte | would have cost like 2cent | 08:04 |
| inte | Helle: I have a Samsung S3 | 08:04 |
| Helle | inte: because it's not part of the reference platform, remember, the tablet is only a minor modification to a reference platform | 08:04 |
| inte | actually, my mom has | 08:04 |
| inte | Helle: well but still | 08:05 |
| Helle | inte: the cost of that 2ct device on their low production count would have been significant | 08:05 |
| inte | one could probably use an NFC-microsd card to extend nfc functionality | 08:06 |
| inte | but I guess those are hard to get hand on | 08:06 |
| inte | I would have paid 2Ct more for my tablet anyways :-) | 08:12 |
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| Helle | inte: I am suspecting it would actually added a solid 10-20 USD to it | 08:13 |
| Helle | because of the board redesign needed and RF issues, etc | 08:13 |
| inte | mmh | 08:15 |
| inte | what do you need NFC for? | 08:15 |
| inte | I only wonder if one could have some fun with this card in a jolla phone: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/11/moneto-nfc-microsd-contactless-payment-Android-iPhone/ | 08:17 |
| inte | or tablet | 08:17 |
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| inte | hello programmers | 10:41 |
| inte | can anybody tell me if this is portable code? | 10:41 |
| inte | https://github.com/OpenSprinkler/OpenSprinkler-App | 10:41 |
| inte | or is it too much android-native? | 10:41 |
| inte | I found a directory called "blackberry" at least... | 10:42 |
| ninnnu | Written in ObjC and relies on iOS/OSX-API..Not a chance | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | "The application is written in Javascript and HTML/CSS." | 10:43 |
| ninnnu | I looked at source first :P | 10:44 |
| Yaniel | yeah the source folder does not actually seem to contain sources | 10:44 |
| Yaniel | I think it would be possible to make a QWebView wrapper to run this on sailfish | 10:44 |
| Yaniel | it won't be fast but it'll probably run | 10:45 |
| inte | Looks nice: https://albahra.com/sprinklers/ | 10:45 |
| Yaniel | with minimal effort | 10:45 |
| inte | cool | 10:45 |
| inte | That would be the next step then :-) | 10:45 |
| inte | First I will have to get a raspi running my sprinklers :-) | 10:46 |
| kimmoli | " The application runs completely within the user's browser (or webview) " | 10:46 |
| inte | kimmoli yeah but they somewhat made an "App" from it | 10:47 |
| Yaniel | that's what webviews are for | 10:48 |
| inte | I will have to learn how to wrap a QWebView app around the source then | 10:49 |
| kimmoli | main.js > 10k lines | 10:49 |
| inte | is there a tutorial for that? | 10:49 |
| inte | kimmoli: it seems quite feature-rich | 10:49 |
| inte | at least from the screenshots | 10:49 |
| Yaniel | yeah it'll most likely be slower than a snail, eat tons of memory and maybe your dog, and finally get killed by the OOM-killer | 10:52 |
| inte | hehe | 10:52 |
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| Yaniel | but *technically* it should work | 10:52 |
| inte | well I will check the android app | 10:52 |
| Yaniel | so basically, feel free to try and good luck with that | 10:53 |
| inte | if that works ok it shouldnt be slower as a native SFOS app I presume | 10:53 |
| Yaniel | but this is totally not the way it should be done | 10:53 |
| inte | Probably it grew fast from some very basic scripts... | 10:53 |
| inte | anyways, is there somewhat a tutorial on how to put a qwebview wrapper around html/js-apps? | 10:54 |
| Yaniel | just take any tutorial on how to make a sailfish app with qt | 10:54 |
| Yaniel | and put a qwebview as the main view | 10:55 |
| Yaniel | and point that to your main html file | 10:55 |
| inte | cool that sounds quite straight forward | 10:55 |
| inte | copied that | 10:55 |
| inte | :) | 10:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | alternatively, load on nginx and serve up the html, and use the browser | 10:56 |
| inte | r0kk3rz: hey, that would of course be an easy start | 10:57 |
| inte | to test the performance at least, thanks, good idea! | 10:57 |
| r0kk3rz | writing you own sailfishapp is really easy if you know what you're doing | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | but otherwise thats a no-programming plug stuff together and get a result type of thing | 10:59 |
| kimmoli | just copy the files in www to device, and open index.htm ? | 11:00 |
| Yaniel | do you even need nginx for that | 11:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats true, you dont even really need a webserver for a js-app | 11:01 |
| r0kk3rz | forgot about that | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | most browsers have no problems opening local files | 11:01 |
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| inte | Sorry was in the garden chaning my sprinklers configuration (really!! :-)) | 11:51 |
| inte | then I will give that a try | 11:51 |
| inte | maybe tonight | 11:51 |
| inte | have to play grillmaster now :-) | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: fwiw, HW requires a lot of investment and cash flow.. SW is less of a heavy operation | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: but at same time nobody takes a mobile platform seriously until you've been validated by operators and shipping | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: yeah, I can perfectly understand that :) | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | bit of a funny mix | 17:43 |
| M4rtinK | but I would still like Jolla made devices to be available | 17:44 |
| M4rtinK | or more or less by the people who did the N900 & N9 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | sure, can understand that | 17:44 |
| M4rtinK | and ideally with similar quality, which might just no be doable with the volumes we can expect at the moment | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | in practice it's all done at ODMs these days though | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | so it comes down who can whip a ODM the best | 17:45 |
| M4rtinK | sure, but if you have more money you can have more say | 17:45 |
| M4rtinK | I guess at least | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, the truth is that it isn't actually about money | 17:45 |
| M4rtinK | volume ? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | they'll do the project happily with modifications and those are then counted in the sales price | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | eq. they won't talk to you unless you commit to ordering some big number of SOCs/cameras/screens ? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's about being able to speak their language and work with them | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | show up as an amateur at a ODM and you get nothing | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | that also was not an issue as long as Nokia had their own fabs :) | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | and naturally there's also ODMs that aren't too clueful too | 17:47 |
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| M4rtinK | but now is now I guess | 17:47 |
| adherry | greetings, phonies | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK | & those that will happily screw you over :) | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK | I think they just have enough projects | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK | so that they don't have any incentives to have English speaking professionals on staff, right ? :) | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | having local guys help a lot with some companies | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | in the end, it comes down to that you'll have to travel a lot. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | you can't handle this from a desk in europe | 17:50 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 17:51 |
| M4rtinK | no wonder many "lets do hardware!" projects fail :) | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | at the same time i wish more would do it, or be brave enough, even if it means spending several months in taiwan | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | it takes a lot of talking and contacts | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | but it can be worth it | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | and ODMs are really hungry for differentiating projects | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | not another X-clone | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK | but something unique | 17:53 |
| adherry | Hardware is superexpensive | 17:53 |
| M4rtinK | that's one thing I worry about with licensing | 17:53 |
| adherry | most clouds sit on commodity hardware for reasons of money saving | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's expensive, but not nearly as expensive | 17:53 |
| M4rtinK | that we will loose unique stuff like ToH | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | as it could be | 17:53 |
| adherry | and some manufacturers do not talk to you if you want to order less than 10k units | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: well, today it's no longer so unique - i think TCL has something to | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | o | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | or even simple thing like double tap to unlock (if an incompatible sensor module is used) | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | etc. | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | adherry: yet you can probably botch up a prototype with a sample, get it kickstarted | 17:54 |
| adherry | yeah, but it will be more expensive than a serial model | 17:54 |
| adherry | or you get hardware that is close to your targets | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | not that expensive | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | I'm fine with any usable interface :) | 17:54 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, have to go now | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | remember, you're often getting totally scammed on markup of the factual HW cost | 17:55 |
| M4rtinK | lets continue later as this is a really interesting discussion :) | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | so the sample price is closer to what you'd have bought it as retail | 17:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | surely jolla has already cultivated a reasonable relationship with your ODM of choice | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | so aside from cashflow, is there much stopping jolla from continuing down the hardware path? | 18:05 |
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| adherry | trolling on twitter | 18:08 |
| adherry | My trap is set | 18:08 |
| adherry | now just wait for the trigger | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: ODM choice is per-product usually | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | some odms offer certain chipsets, reference designs | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that makes sense | 18:13 |
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