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| inte | morning | 06:51 |
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| inte | what are the latest rumors about the upcoming anouncement of Jolla new Hardware partner? | 06:52 |
| inte | Nokia, Sony, Fairphone, Jotaphone...? | 06:52 |
| inte | :) | 06:52 |
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| * tbr votes for Siemens | 07:05 | |
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| inte | tbr :) | 07:19 |
| inte | Ericsson | 07:19 |
| inte | weren't they indeed supplying the reference design? | 07:20 |
| inte | they could surely do a phone then:) | 07:20 |
| SQUelcher | Telefunken! | 07:41 |
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| tbr | would be kinda fun to bring a smartphone to market under the "Marconi" brand :D | 07:47 |
| tbr | bonus points if it has a straight key button on the back | 07:48 |
| Helle | I'll go for Telefunken | 07:50 |
| ninnnu | BQ is currently selling Android and Ubuntu phones to Europe... IMO they could be a potential partner, too :P | 07:53 |
| ninnnu | No idea about the quality, though | 07:53 |
| ninnnu | And then there's Meizu (Chiense) which also release an Ubuntu phone recently... | 07:54 |
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| inte | afaik all those ubuntu phones beeing currently released dont even support LTE | 08:10 |
| inte | i wouldnt bet on that hardware | 08:10 |
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| ninnnu | Haven't needed LTE :P | 08:19 |
| Mikaela | no LTE sounds surprising | 08:21 |
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| adherry | good morning fins | 08:25 |
| Helle | Mikaela: chinese chipset, no LTE in China for the forseeable future | 08:27 |
| Mikaela | oh, I see | 08:27 |
| adherry | so you are telling me that the chinese are producing tech for us that they can’t use? | 08:29 |
| Helle | adherry: exactly | 08:29 |
| adherry | Well, if the LTE in the Jolla would work correct, I would be very happy | 08:29 |
| Helle | it works correct, it just can't do the voice mode most companies are using | 08:30 |
| Helle | but for data it's fine | 08:30 |
| adherry | Well, if LTE is on and connected I can get any calls | 08:30 |
| adherry | thats far from “works correct” | 08:30 |
| adherry | I get ringing, but cant accept the call, and after it the call disappears from the call log | 08:30 |
| adherry | and I cant get sms too | 08:30 |
| adherry | since I disabled LTE the phone works normal | 08:31 |
| truls | wfm | 08:32 |
| Helle | adherry: that is your network not handling phones with this valid configuration correctly | 08:33 |
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| Helle | it's in the LTE specifications that a phone can use LTE for just data and will get an OOB message indicating a call is happening and it should drop to 3G to handle it | 08:33 |
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| adherry | the problem is that it is easier to get jolla to support quirks than for a network company to change that | 08:49 |
| ilpianista | anyone experiencing segfaults when creating a QWebPage? | 08:50 |
| Helle | adherry: Jolla doesn't need to support a quirk to deal with that, it needs to actually implement Voice over IP over LTE, which is a completely different HW path then regular voice | 08:52 |
| adherry | my nerf gun is here | 08:54 |
| adherry | yay | 08:54 |
| adherry | now i am the king of the office | 08:54 |
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| adherry | since I am the only one with a semi-automatic blaster | 08:55 |
| Helle | also I am not sure if the chipset in the phone can actually do VoIPoLTE to 3G fallback | 08:55 |
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| SQUelcher | On T-Mobile Germany it switches from 4G to 3G on incoming calls without any problems | 09:00 |
| SQUelcher | But VoLTE to 3G isn't implemented, of course.. | 09:00 |
| tbr | inte: you've been looking for rumours - http://news.yahoo.com/yotaphone-says-bye-bye-android-161653714.html | 09:06 |
| tbr | Helle: the chipset in the jolla does not support VoLTE. It does support fallback to 3G and 2G just fine, sadly many operators have broken setups, still. | 09:07 |
| Helle | tbr: yeah, hence they'd have to do VoIPoLTE which is also a legal mode, but I quite well understand that they dont | 09:08 |
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| kjetilho | here in Norway the 3G network is getting switched off, so you'll get really bad data while talking. | 09:12 |
| tbr | or not at all. many devices don't support parallel data and voice on GSM/GPRS/EDGE | 09:17 |
| Helle | it sort of makes sense though to do it | 09:18 |
| Helle | 3G is really bandwidth hungry | 09:18 |
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| kjetilho | yeah. with LTE on 800 MHz you get good coverage, too | 09:20 |
| SQUelcher | imho 2G will outlive 3G by far | 09:23 |
| SQUelcher | so in a few years there will be 4G and 2G.. | 09:23 |
| Helle | SQUelcher: by design really | 09:23 |
| SQUelcher | there are lots and lots of m2m devices which only support 2G | 09:24 |
| kjetilho | exactly, that's what Telenor is saying, too. they don't want to upset their customers who want to turn on the heat in their mountain cabins before they arrive :) | 09:26 |
| adherry | 2g and 4g only would be a reason for me to get a new phone | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | lte, 28 c, no clouds, sunshine | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | so good | 09:31 |
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| Yaniel | your weather app disagrees | 09:33 |
| adherry | we have currently 31° and will get 37 today | 09:33 |
| adherry | and it will stay being that hot till tuesday | 09:33 |
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| inte | I find implementing VoLTE but not VoWIFI quite useless | 10:03 |
| inte | I don't know a single place with LTE coverage but no UMTS/GSM coverage | 10:04 |
| inte | However, I know a coupke of places w/o cellular coverage, but wifi | 10:04 |
| inte | e.g. my home | 10:04 |
| inte | German network providers suck since no one offers VoWIFI | 10:05 |
| inte | tbr: interesting!! | 10:06 |
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| adherry | ahh, my ventilator is finished | 10:21 |
| Yaniel | you know when you can't distinguish between a freshly toasted bread and your laptop based on temperature? | 10:23 |
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| adherry | I have a macbook | 10:28 |
| adherry | and I know that feeling | 10:28 |
| Yaniel | it's awesome during winter though | 10:30 |
| Yaniel | (and yes I have a macbook too) | 10:31 |
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| adherry | yes | 10:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | i thought they stopped doing that | 10:45 |
| adherry | my boss has a 12” macbook | 10:45 |
| adherry | the keyboard is really cool | 10:46 |
| adherry | well, the case is still aluminium | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | my sisters mbp used to get so hot you couldnt touch it | 10:46 |
| adherry | and heat still spreads through metal | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | well, its supposed to | 10:46 |
| adherry | well for that you really have to keep it on full load for a while | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | its directtly connected isnt it? ie as a heatsink | 10:46 |
| Yaniel | yes | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | but the difference is that the intel chips and graphics cards dont get as hot as they used to | 10:47 |
| Yaniel | hehe yeah this one is a mid-2009 model with a geforce 9400m coffee heater built in | 10:47 |
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| adherry | I have a 2012 mba | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah sounds like the same as my sisters old one | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | coffee heater, useful idea, never thought of that | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but ive made the mistake of resting my hand on it a few times | 10:51 |
| adherry | ^^ | 10:53 |
| adherry | if mine would get too hot during work i would simply ask our buisness guy to order me a keyboard and a magic trackpad | 10:53 |
| Yaniel | hey, no cold wrists while typing | 10:53 |
| Yaniel | also the heated keyboard feels nice during the less hot season | 10:54 |
| r0kk3rz | sister ended up getting a powered laptop stand wedge thing | 10:54 |
| adherry | our ac on work is in a small room noone uses | 10:54 |
| r0kk3rz | super hot computer isnt always nice when you live in australia | 10:55 |
| adherry | so we use fans to distribute cool air | 10:55 |
| adherry | a lot of fans | 10:55 |
| adherry | you walk around and feel like you are in a wind tunnel | 10:55 |
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| Yaniel | isn't the noise uncomfortable? | 10:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | eugh fan noise | 10:56 |
| r0kk3rz | scientifically proven to destroy your concentration | 10:56 |
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| adherry | I hear music | 10:59 |
| adherry | so I dont really hear it | 10:59 |
| adherry | we have very liberal rules. As long as you get shit done you are allowed to do whatever you want | 11:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | as it should be | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | getting shit done is the goal, not meeting whatever bureaucratic rules are in place | 11:09 |
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| kimmoli | fans reminds me this https://youtu.be/K8kua5B5K3I?t=4m54s | 11:29 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 12:04 |
| adherry | hi, 28 year old | 12:04 |
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| alex25_ch | Hi | 12:36 |
| alex25_ch | Are this old news? http://news.yahoo.com/yotaphone-says-bye-bye-android-161653714.html | 12:36 |
| alex25_ch | Would be great if this is true... | 12:36 |
| Yaniel | the negotiations have been on the news a couple of times | 12:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | the idea that yota is picking up sailfish has been rumor for a while now | 12:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but dropping android completely? thats news | 12:44 |
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| coderus | yota making just one device in two years, so no need to make Yota2 on android and sailfishos | 12:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but betting the farm on someone elses niche OS is what Nokia did, and that didnt really work out | 12:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | and that was betting on microsoft, you know that company with a long history of making operating systems | 12:59 |
| coderus | yota devices market is very small | 13:00 |
| coderus | in real life nobody want it | 13:00 |
| coderus | so maybe sailfishos helps :) | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe it does | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | i would have thought it would hurt more than help, but im sure they've done some market analysis | 13:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe they werent different enough to compete with the likes of samsung et al | 13:01 |
| coderus | i think if YotaPhone S price will be lower than Jolla/Jolla2 it will have success in russia | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | and sailfishos helps them be different | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: which is interesting (nobody wants it) -when i saw one at mwc it wasnt half bad | 13:07 |
| coderus | just look at the price: https://market.yandex.ru/product/11743876?ncrnd=9925 | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | what is that in EUR / compared to a nexus 5? | 13:09 |
| coderus | $650 | 13:10 |
| coderus | its ridiculous | 13:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | its low volume though | 13:11 |
| coderus | i don't know more details | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | n5 list price was 500 usd | 13:12 |
| coderus | so, decide how many peoples want to add $150 mode for extra eink screen | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | throw in the fact that its russian made as well, at least for the russian market | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | everything is made in china today | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | or taiwan | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps made is the wrong word, designed? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | lets not fool ourselves that russians or africans cant do a good product:) | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | admittedly when i played around with a yota in london my thoughts were 'seems cool, but it doesnt run sailfishos' | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but i was biased by the jolla phone in my pocket i think | 13:18 |
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| coderus | we have different vendors making devices "for russian market", not just Yota: https://market.yandex.ru/catalog/54726/list?hid=91491&gfilter=1801946%3A11042954&in-stock=1&exc=1®price=9&how=dpop https://market.yandex.ru/catalog/54726/list?hid=91491&gfilter=1801946%3A6139980&in-stock=1&exc=1®price=9&how=dpop ... | 13:27 |
| coderus | ... https://market.yandex.ru/catalog/54726/list?hid=91491&gfilter=1801946%3A5515883&in-stock=1&exc=1®price=9&how=dpop | 13:27 |
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| Hartzi | coderus: I actually know one guy who bought yota phone | 13:35 |
| Hartzi | but I dont know how much it cost him | 13:35 |
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| coderus | Hartzi: yotaphone2? | 14:11 |
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| coderus | there is also old yotaphone1 for $170 | 14:12 |
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| Yaniel | if the next yotaphone comes with sailfish and it is possible to read pdfs with the eink that could be a reason for me to buy one | 14:21 |
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| Yaniel | but eh, russia hasn't exactly been making good PR for themselves lately | 14:22 |
| coderus | Yaniel: there are was very big PR, but, russians actually doesnt believe in self made products :D | 14:23 |
| coderus | cars are cr*p, mobile phones are same, rockets are falling down :D | 14:24 |
| Yaniel | well it could help with sales if everyone didn't hate your country to begin with | 14:24 |
| Yaniel | but let's not go into politics | 14:25 |
| coderus | i see no reason to "hate country", it's just a place on the earth :) | 14:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: to be honest i'd kill for a qHD eink without normal display | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | i can see interesting uses | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:20 |
| r0kk3rz | imagine the battery life | 15:23 |
| r0kk3rz | that alone would be a major win | 15:23 |
| r0kk3rz | the key would me making the eink be responsive enough for general inputs like texting | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | there was some awesome e-paper phone.. sec | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJUdefVyeE | 15:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess it would be poor for taking photos and youtubing on the go, which are two rather large usecases | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | naturally | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | "why not both" | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | but if you make it the primary interface | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | I suppose that is what yota went with | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | and then switch for more vivid content.. | 15:31 |
| r0kk3rz | i think its a fair enough trade-off | 15:35 |
| r0kk3rz | if you care that much about it, you'd buy something else | 15:35 |
| r0kk3rz | the idea that you have to appeal to *everyone* with your device is a little limiting, as theres already a lot of companies doing just that | 15:36 |
| Yaniel | damn, I have to try to get higher resolution cover art for my music library | 15:38 |
| Yaniel | with the tablet having a 2k screen... | 15:39 |
| Yaniel | and my desktop 4K | 15:39 |
| Yaniel | 300x300 is way too small there | 15:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah just a touch | 15:41 |
| r0kk3rz | wonder how often people use tablets for music though | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | hardly, I guess | 15:43 |
| r0kk3rz | does seem to suit the phone sized form factor a bit better | 15:44 |
| r0kk3rz | i hope they backport the opencv stuff for qtmultimedia for the tablet, that would be cool | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | or integrate newer version or whatever | 15:46 |
| r0kk3rz | having the tablet as a CV/AR platform could get interesting | 15:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/07/a-floating-holographic-plasma-display-that-you-can-touch/ | 15:50 |
| r0kk3rz | WHAT VOODOO IS THIS | 15:50 |
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| Stskeeps | the question is rather how much power it consumes | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:50 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: mmmm, I have my own little hooklet for QtMultimedia that works on the phone | 15:52 |
| Helle | I'll publish it sometime this summer | 15:52 |
| Yaniel | how much power it consumes, and how much it costs for now | 15:52 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: my guess is loads | 15:52 |
| r0kk3rz | but it seems very much like we're living in the future | 15:52 |
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| urs | r0kk3rz: problem with those floating holograms created with pulse lasers: the plasma dot creates lots of ozone and nitrous oxides | 15:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | why is that a problem? | 15:57 |
| urs | those aren't exactly healthy. | 15:57 |
| urs | It doesn't affect the function of the display of course, but it's nothing I'd want in my living room. | 15:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i didnt realise that the human body really doesnt like ozone | 15:59 |
| r0kk3rz | nitrous oxide is laughing gas, so i figured it would be fairly benign | 16:00 |
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| urs | well N2O is the least problematic one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOx are worse. | 16:04 |
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| adherry | Started my first faith war. Feels kinda good | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | emacs vs vim? | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | speaking of war, I might feel a bit like doing some head detaching if the sfos2.0 media player still can't handle cover art | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | or replaygain | 17:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hopefully you'll be able to patch that soon.. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:27 |
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| Yaniel | hmmmm *checks email* | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | one day. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:29 |
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| Nicd- | so was the YotaPhone thing a fluke? | 17:30 |
| Nicd- | I mean wrong news | 17:30 |
| Nicd- | or was it valid? | 17:30 |
| adherry | I began a war between the one true Divintiy, the allmighty Bob, and the impostor, the blood god^^ | 17:31 |
| r0kk3rz | gstreamer 1.0 should do replaygain | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure about the current version, or how you access it through qtmultimedia | 17:34 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: msameer said gst1.0 is almost ready, and it will be included in next (?) update | 18:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i saw | 18:33 |
| HtheB | msameer is still alive? | 18:33 |
| r0kk3rz | included so long as it tests out anyway | 18:33 |
| Helle | is the QtMultimedia gst1.0 support also going in ? | 18:33 |
| Helle | I've been keeping a project on hold over that | 18:33 |
| r0kk3rz | it will have to be i think | 18:34 |
| svuorela | I guess qt 5.5 came out 3 days ago with gst1.0 support in qtmm. I'd be surprised to see qt5.5 in jolla this month :) | 18:35 |
| r0kk3rz | svuorela: that entirely depends on who patched in gst1.0 support | 18:36 |
| r0kk3rz | seems a coincidence that its just been released and jolla have been working towards using gst1.0 for long time now | 18:36 |
| Helle | gst0.10 is so restrictive | 18:39 |
| Helle | I was pondering using it with some tricks, but egh | 18:39 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: what are you building? | 18:40 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: well, two things, one is a Twitch/Hitbox/UStream client and the other is one for a system used in universities here for streaming and replaying lectures | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds cool :) | 18:41 |
| Helle | But I need HLS support | 18:42 |
| Helle | and usable HLS support is not in gst0.10 | 18:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | well hopefully testing goes well | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | and then we get new things to play with in the next update | 18:45 |
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| louisdk | Yay! Tried to apply the scandic kb patch to my jolla. Sadly I made a line break in a config file before reboot, which made the touchscreen unable to react. And of course I've installed an SSH Access confirmation app which required accept after login via the touch screen. Luckly I was able to put in recovery mode, chroot and uninstall the app so I could SSH to my device and get the touch screen working. | 19:59 |
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| coderus | louisdk: recovery shell | 20:11 |
| coderus | you can edit your file here and not uninstall anything | 20:11 |
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| louisdk | coderus, you can chroot from recovery shell and from here uninstall things at least with zypper | 20:14 |
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| coderus | why? if you can just edit this conf file to fix screen and not uninstall anything | 20:26 |
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| locusf | eh wot | 20:27 |
| locusf | oh crap | 20:28 |
| locusf | thats probably what broke on the previous guy as well | 20:29 |
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| locusf | line break in compositor config file | 20:29 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds a bit fragile | 20:29 |
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| Gyrth | Hello! | 21:15 |
| Gyrth | It is juli. So the Jolla Tablet will soon be released. | 21:16 |
| Gyrth | How exciting. | 21:16 |
| dirkvl | it is crazy | 21:17 |
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| Lieke_ | tablet soon, tohkbd soon, good times | 21:18 |
| Gyrth | Or will it be posponed again? | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | who knows, can only wait | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | but i hope soon | 21:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | wonder how quickly it will hit general release after the igg backers have shipped | 21:23 |
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| louisdk | coderus, i didn't knew the precise error back then. It was first when I resized my terminal application I discovered the line break. | 21:40 |
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| coderus | wonder if tohkbd or tablet will be delivered first... | 22:01 |
| svuorela | tohkbd for tablet. | 22:02 |
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