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| tiwake | july is soon \o/ | 03:31 |
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| birdzhang | :D | 03:48 |
| birdzhang | sailfish os 2.0 is comming | 03:48 |
| Yaniel | as is winter | 03:52 |
| inz | And the Great White Handkerchief | 04:01 |
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| Lieke_ | july 1st got delayed though, they inserted a leap second | 04:37 |
| inz | those bastards | 04:43 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: I'm with free, and my gf too | 07:45 |
| SfietKonstantinW | she receives MMS without problem (I never get MMSes) | 07:45 |
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| cybette | coderus: please email developer-care about the abusive comment | 08:48 |
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| onla | I don't get why the poster felix wants a new phone from jolla in his comment here (in 2 last paragraphs) http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/131808-5-reasons-why-sailfish-os-2-0-should-worry-apple-google-and-microsoft/gallery?photo=4 | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | onla: because they think the hardware on the current jolla phone is mediocre | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | which it is | 08:50 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... i would want another jolla too | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | but i don't think the current hw is mediocre, not for sailfish at least | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | also, apple should be worried, yes, steve jobs passed away | 08:51 |
| onla | oh, so they want more ghz and ram after all ok | 08:51 |
| Nicd- | I do think there's too little RAM | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't mind more of everything, a higher end device | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | but my current one is totally usable | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | it's really hard to work with a jolla1 when you've seen sailfish on full-HD, 2gb ram, quad core 2.25ghz devices. | 08:52 |
| zutto | only if it was easy to flash jolla to any android phone | 08:52 |
| zutto | ;l | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: agree, but then you don't get nice things like maps and such | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | at least normal users don't get that | 08:52 |
| zutto | jolla on something like htc one or oneplusone would be great | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | tbh, my n9 was awesome until i got my jolla, which was significantly faster | 08:53 |
| zutto | s/jolla/sailfish/ | 08:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Stskeeps: isn't full HD a pain, as it takes much more resources to render all the shiny images @ 60FPS / FullHD ? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantinW: the GPU is often also heftier | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | ONLY 60fps? pfff | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | ;) | 08:54 |
| zutto | 144 or go home! | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | 480fps at least | 08:55 |
| zutto | with that.. we could survive! | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | LOL | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | come on, people having gaming consoles have only 30FPS | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | my friends call me pigeon | 08:55 |
| zutto | SfietKonstantinW: that depends on the game mostly, some are still under 30fps | 08:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I know | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | i admit that there is a difference between 30 and 60 for action sports | 08:57 |
| zutto | the fps thing was a joke anyways, long as its over 30fps it should be smooth expirience | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | not that my eyes can see that | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: people can actually see that.. | 08:57 |
| zutto | ggabriel: it seems like that, yeah | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | has to be aligned with lcd refresh | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | not 60fps | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | the eyes may not be "in sync" | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | or something | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | but there is a difference | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | anything over 60 i wouldn't know | 08:57 |
| zutto | i think you would ggabriel | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | i do record at 120 sometimes but only to slow it down :D | 08:58 |
| zutto | people who can tell the difference between 30 and 60 clearly, can usually identify 60vs120 too | 08:58 |
| zutto | but that requires really fast graphics | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | well, i didn't say clearly, and i said only on action videos | 08:58 |
| zutto | yuh | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | now fps, soon "lossless vs vbr mp3" | 08:58 |
| zutto | thats good enough | 08:58 |
| * Nicd- gets the popcorn | 08:58 | |
| ggabriel | human beings really shouldn't be able to tell the difference | 08:59 |
| zutto | Nicd-: i demand mah frames packed in lossless ogg container | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: share, i'm hungry | 08:59 |
| Aciid | https://gfycat.com/DecimalEminentEmeraldtreeskink yes you can the difference join the masterrace | 08:59 |
| zutto | only if these monitors i am using would do more than 60 | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | haha | 09:00 |
| Aciid | -> are you trying to tell the difference from 60 to 120? by using a 60hz monitor? what a peasant | 09:00 |
| sletta | ggabriel: figher pilots have been measured to tell difference of up to some ~240 fps | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | sletta: ok, s/human/most human/ | 09:00 |
| Aciid | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/ welcome to ascend | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | you realize that you can't see a film if you can appreciate 240fps properly | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | as you would see still photographs | 09:01 |
| sletta | I personally see a huge difference between 60 and 120 | 09:01 |
| sletta | havenât tried higher | 09:01 |
| narchie | jolla tablet | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | the tablet will come at least with 1200 fps | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | no worries about that | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | personally I can hear a huge difference between cd, wav and lossless | 09:01 |
| narchie | but no email search | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | <_< | 09:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Nicd-: this is easier | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | lol | 09:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | narchie: there is email search in latest release IIRC | 09:02 |
| narchie | oh | 09:02 |
| narchie | only two years | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | I actually read a long long thread online where audiophiles were arguing if lossless was worse than a CD | 09:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | narchie: better than nothign | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | "I know it's the same bit for bit, but I hear what I hear!" | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: with the apple headphones, right? | 09:02 |
| narchie | jolla tablet | 09:02 |
| narchie | now with no tree balancing | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: with equipment worth more than my apartment probably | 09:03 |
| Aciid | narchie: is tree balancing to do with the ecological standpoint of the manufacturing process? | 09:03 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: if it's for real, i envy the opportunity ;) | 09:03 |
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| zutto | Nicd-: audiophiles are silly | 09:05 |
| zutto | the poor audiophiles especially | 09:05 |
| ggabriel | nah, i disagree | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | audio is cool | 09:06 |
| zutto | no offesnse to any audiophiles here btw | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | no, you just call them silly ;-) | 09:06 |
| zutto | people get offended very easily | 09:06 |
| zutto | ..well, some of them | 09:07 |
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| ggabriel | i think there is some truth in what people that are called audiophiles say | 09:07 |
| zutto | ofcourse | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | i don't think i am one | 09:08 |
| zutto | and not just some! | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | but e.g., the "life" bbc documentary | 09:08 |
| zutto | the question just is that can they actually hear it, or is just equipmentwars | 09:08 |
| zutto | s/or is/or is it/ | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | is awesome when seen and listened to in a fairly "ok" home theatre | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | then when it is streamed off iplayer | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | you'll always have equipment wars | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | but that's fanboyism | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | you want X, you research for X, you buy X for a lot of money, therefore you're proud about X | 09:09 |
| zutto | :P | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | replace X with anything that costs money | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | i've been told that that's "psychology" | 09:09 |
| coderus | cybette: okay, emailed | 09:11 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: remember to burn in your cables before use | 09:17 |
| tadzik | if there's not too little ram then at least the swapping needs to improve | 09:18 |
| zutto | Nicd-: ofcourse.. | 09:18 |
| zutto | is that a thing? | 09:18 |
| tadzik | 1G of ram is fine as long as all you run is native apps | 09:18 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: yes: http://nordost.com/blog/what-is-cable-burn-in/ | 09:18 |
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| Nicd- | the burn in device makes your cables unidirectional so they sound better | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | also, the cable has to go in the right direction | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | yes, that | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | :P | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | electrons travel better in one way | 09:19 |
| zutto | :P | 09:19 |
| zutto | speaking of cables | 09:19 |
| zutto | i have one phone where the headphone jack is mysteriously broken | 09:20 |
| kjetilho | DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM! you need to turn the cabel around every other day, or else your sound will detoriate due to electron depletion! | 09:20 |
| zutto | it detects that its always plugged in | 09:20 |
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| ggabriel | zutto: sounds like a problem with the sensor more than the jack itself | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | unless jacks these days are defined as the jack and the sensor | 09:22 |
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| TemeV | doesn't those jack have a micro switch that detects the plug | 09:28 |
| tbr | this | 09:30 |
| tbr | although some sensing may also happen by measuring things across the various pins | 09:30 |
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| tbr | especially in phones that support both wiring standards | 09:31 |
| TemeV | true | 09:31 |
| TemeV | anyway, my guess is that the switch is jammed/broken | 09:32 |
| * sobukus torn between waiting for TOHKBD arriving or sending in the phone because of distorted speaker | 09:33 | |
| ggabriel | sobukus: simple: buy another phone :P | 09:34 |
| sobukus | distorted sound from the speaker, sounds like very early clipping/overdrive | 09:34 |
| sobukus | Is that a common fault? | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | not in my case, and my phone is almost 2 years old, with a couple of nasty falls and I don't treat it like "the ring that rules them all" | 09:34 |
| sobukus | ggabriel: Given that I only bought the phone because of supporting the TOHKBD on k*starter | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | yeha, it's nice to have a backup phone | 09:35 |
| sobukus | Well, I do have an Android phone lying around, too. | 09:35 |
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| ggabriel | oh, that you can use as paperweight | 09:35 |
| sobukus | Heh. | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, i'm with you | 09:36 |
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| ggabriel | if you have plenty of warranty left | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | wait | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | if you don't, send it in | 09:36 |
| sobukus | I bought in december, so warranty shouldn't be the issue. | 09:36 |
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| kimmoli | rubdos: nice | 11:45 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, thank you :) | 11:47 |
| rubdos | I pretty much like it :) | 11:47 |
| rubdos | I'm still worried about the shielding material though | 11:47 |
| rubdos | I'll probably fry my Jolla if I solder one and try one out. | 11:47 |
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| rubdos | 5W of electricity in my Jolla instead of in the charger will pretty much blow the CPU | 11:48 |
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| kimmoli | depends on charger. if it is smart,.it detects qi receiver chip | 11:52 |
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| sledges | received TOHKBD! \o/ | 11:53 |
| sledges | kimmoli: dirkvl: wazd: looks,feels,and works awesome!! | 11:53 |
| * kimmoli secretly hopes it works. .. | 11:53 | |
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| sledges | ;) | 11:57 |
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| dariornelas | hi guys! | 15:31 |
| tadzik | hello dariornelas | 15:35 |
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| h4PPYC4T | i just noticed something strange on the csd-tool: when i chose the "sim card"-test under "individual tests" it states "pass", but when i go back to the list with the "individual tests" the "sim card"-entry is red and states fail. | 17:38 |
| h4PPYC4T | btw. i don't have any problems with my sim-card; phone and mobile internet are working fine. i'm just curious if someone else noticed that kind of behavior as well. | 17:41 |
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| h4PPYC4T | (the os version is 1.1.6.27 and the provider is vodafone germany, btw) | 17:45 |
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| chem|st | h4PPYC4T: would you mind to put that as bugreport on together, please | 17:48 |
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| h4PPYC4T | yep. i could do that at some point. for now i was curious. too bad that i didn't check it before - so i can't exactly say whether that issue was present before 1.1.6.27 or not. | 17:51 |
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| h4PPYC4T | another thing which i noticed is, that on the detail-page of the "sim card"-test the value of "subscriber numbers:" is "N/A" - the other items on that page have a "normal looking" value. maybe it's related to that? | 18:00 |
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| narchie | is there a wayu to restrict landscape mode | 19:17 |
| narchie | specifically for android | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | in Display? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | in general | 19:18 |
| narchie | to disable it altogether | 19:19 |
| narchie | I don't want it | 19:19 |
| narchie | oh | 19:19 |
| narchie | nevermind | 19:19 |
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| pdanek | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ie/2015/06/news-sailfish-os-was-selected-over.html | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Is it a big thing for Jolla? | 20:28 |
| pdanek | Oh, YotaPhone :O :O | 20:29 |
| pdanek | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ie/2015/06/jolla-got-it-samsung-didnt-sailfish-os.html | 20:29 |
| pdanek | Hopefully that won't be the supplement for Jolla 2. | 20:32 |
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| TemeV | pdanek: I think it has been quite clear for a long time, that there will be no Jolla 2 for a long time if ever | 20:33 |
| pdanek | TemeV: Are you serious? | 20:35 |
| pdanek | Who made it clear? | 20:35 |
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| pdanek | I only remember the message from CEO from 2014 saying Jolla 2 will be no later than end of 2015. | 20:35 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: there are conflicting reports | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | it might be very well down to how the tablet sells once it goes into general release | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | the first phone was a compromise, and its sales figures show that | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | but without it we wouldnt be here at all | 20:38 |
| TemeV | Iirc they've always been talking about "next Sailfish phone" not "next Jolla phone" | 20:39 |
| TemeV | So no, it is not said "there will be no Jolla 2" but it kind of reads between the lines | 20:40 |
| pdanek | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/yotaphone-2-world-s-first-dual-screen-smartphone#/story | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | obviously there is no clear cut statement and its all reading between the lines | 20:40 |
| pdanek | But no Jolla 2 might mean end of other half idea. | 20:41 |
| TemeV | most likely | 20:41 |
| TemeV | but even if there will be Jolla 2, I don't think other halves would be compatible | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but just today a sailor alluded to a 'next device' after the tablet | 20:41 |
| TemeV | still no, "next Jolla device" | 20:42 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: who? where? | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: the 'jolla' was implicit i thought, but you can read for yourself | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its just a footnote on the tjc thread about the kernel | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | nothing to get your panties in a twist over | 20:43 |
| pdanek | I want 22" screen, 60 mpix camera, shark-half, lasers and 32G RAM | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | dont we all pdanek | 20:43 |
| TemeV | pdanek: and two yeard of battery time | 20:43 |
| TemeV | *years | 20:43 |
| pdanek | How long can shark live? | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | battery? psssh fission reactor | 20:43 |
| pdanek | It will be shark powered, no battery needed. | 20:43 |
| pdanek | And shark is user replacable, | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | fission powered shark | 20:44 |
| pdanek | Perhaps easier to get new one than to get new Jolla battery. | 20:44 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: they are called batteries also, at least in satellites etc | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | very well then | 20:44 |
| TemeV | no, not satellites. Some mars crawler or something | 20:44 |
| TemeV | "nuclear battery" | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | thats different, thats an RTG | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | which yes is more like a nuclear battery | 20:45 |
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| TemeV | but isn't it based on fission also | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | more natural decay i thought, could be wrong | 20:45 |
| TemeV | I'm not an expert either | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | either way they use the material to get heat for a stirling engine | 20:45 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: TemeV: Would you change your Jolla for YotaPhone 2? | 20:47 |
| TemeV | I'm not familiar with YotaPhone | 20:47 |
| pdanek | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/yotaphone-2-world-s-first-dual-screen-smartphone#/story | 20:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the whole e-ink half thing is interesting | 20:48 |
| pdanek | It's gonna sell with Sailfish. | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure how much use i'd get out of it | 20:48 |
| pdanek | Already Sailfish-powered YotaPhones being tested in Russia. | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | i saw them pimping the yota1 out in london | 20:48 |
| TemeV | it seems to have better specs. It looks a bit fragile though, but if quality is good why not. I have no problem with Jolla though | 20:49 |
| TemeV | well, the usualy battery etc problems, but nothing I can't live with | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | JollaPhone is kinda the devil you know rather than the devil you dont | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | its not perfect, but i know its flaws | 20:50 |
| TemeV | it's not a devil, it is just a bit crippel | 20:50 |
| pdanek | But my Jolla become incredibly slow since I bought it. | 20:51 |
| pdanek | I need to reinstall Sailfish on it. | 20:51 |
| pdanek | Oh and 1G memory isn't enough for my multitasking needs. | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | TemeV: not heard that expression? | 20:51 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: yes, but maybe I understand it wrong | 20:52 |
| TemeV | maybe I take the devil too litterally :) | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: 1gb should be ok, but it seems they're going backwards on the oom-killer situation | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | particularly where the browser is concerned | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | if you have the browser opened things get killed left, right, and centre | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes even the browser itself whilst you're using it | 20:54 |
| TemeV | well, modern internet is a memory hog | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | true, but it didnt use to be like this a few upgrades ago | 20:54 |
| TemeV | true | 20:54 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: I was indeed listening to audio podcast on a webpage while reading article in another tab and it was stopping to play time to time when not on the tab with podcast | 20:57 |
| TemeV | oom killer can be adjusted though | 20:57 |
| TemeV | personally, I'd choose the option where apps start to lag instead of dying randomly | 20:58 |
| TemeV | then I can choose what to kill | 20:58 |
| pdanek | but what worries me more that Android apps which are made to be running in background can't do this in Sailfish | 20:58 |
| pdanek | like Skype call on Android can run in the background but it has issues on Sailfish etc. | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | alien dalvik does act a little weird when it comes to services | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | once i remember recieving a skype call when i didnt have the skype app open | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but this might have been back in tahkalampi days | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | before the seperate covers | 20:59 |
| pdanek | Same here. | 20:59 |
| TemeV | I guess in Android Skype can say "please give me cpu time although I'm in background". In Jolla Aliendalvik most likely doesn't have rights for that | 21:00 |
| TemeV | but that's just my guess | 21:00 |
| TemeV | but now I need some sleep. Good night! | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | it does a pretty decent job | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | as far as not being android is concerned | 21:01 |
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| pdanek1 | r0kk3rz: The reality is, that for most of Jolla users, the Sailfish experience is as good as Android apps experience on it. | 21:05 |
| pdanek1 | Becuase most of time is spent in Android apps anyway. | 21:05 |
| pdanek1 | Even the Google Talk integration to messages is cool, but it won't replace my Hangouts, because it can't receive messages I got when I was offline, it doesn't show read status, typing status and things like this. | 21:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | and i sympathise, but i think if you rely that heavily on android apps, then you're most likely better off with an android phone | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i use a few, but i could live without and just use the browser | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | facebook has a mobile webpage, google maps does too | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | android apps, meh. random use of obd (torgue), thats about it | 21:10 |
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| kimmoli | i also kinda like the small footprint of sailfish apps. almost any android app is megabyte(s), and sailfish apps < 100k (with exceptions ofc) | 21:12 |
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| Aciid | jolla relieved me from all the distracting shit i was doing with phones | 21:17 |
| Aciid | plain simple was all i needed | 21:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah free your mind from the bullshit, get back to reality | 21:17 |
| Aciid | so edgy xD you have no idea what Im talking about do you | 21:18 |
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| Aciid | just kidding fuck android | 21:20 |
| Aciid | lol | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 21:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | i have some idea, but most people just watch youtube, or scroll clickbait | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | or play games | 21:21 |
| Aciid | that or sit all day on feces and free to pay games | 21:21 |
| Aciid | augmented realities of life need to update my shitter | 21:22 |
| Aciid | grown tired of webservices | 21:22 |
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| kjetilho | I use: Beyondpod (podcast application with automatic download, timestretched playback etc.), Vivino to rate wine and check other's opinions, Waze to navigate (bad maps, good realtime congestion information) | 21:27 |
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