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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/97626/bug-poor-sound-quality-via-bluetooth-with-pioneer-f40bt/ any suggestions to debug this? | 07:59 |
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| birdzhang | They may not walkup yeat | 08:18 |
| birdzhang | :) | 08:19 |
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| Kabouik | Hi there. Can't anyone help me choosing between Mitakuuluu and Whatsupp for the Jolla? I've never had the need for such app because I had unlimited texts in my subscriptions, and now that I need it I see these two rather similar apps | 09:18 |
| Kabouik | subscription* | 09:18 |
| TemeV | Kabouik: Mitakuuluu is still in pre pre release phase afaik, Whatsupp might be more stable | 09:19 |
| entil | Kabouik: be noted that if you're caught using a 3rd party client, you'll be blocked | 09:20 |
| Kabouik | Alright, thanks TemeV! And will Mitakuuluu bring additional features, eventually? I've read somewhere that Whatsapp conception of privacy was somewhat questionnable, I wonder if there are compatible alternatives | 09:20 |
| Kabouik | I guess I'll be an outlaw then :P | 09:21 |
| entil | and if they get axolotl rolled out to everyone and if they keep it clean they'll still see your metadata | 09:21 |
| Kabouik | What do they see/save/archive exactly? The content of messages sent/received? | 09:22 |
| entil | yeah | 09:22 |
| Kabouik | That's lame | 09:22 |
| entil | axolotl is completely safe, but they're still working on it | 09:23 |
| Kabouik | One day they'll sell everything to Google ads. :< | 09:23 |
| entil | at least last I heard about it | 09:23 |
| TemeV | Kabouik: Telegram seems less evil, though not much more trust worthy | 09:23 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: Mitakuuluu got a bunch of people banned for using a 3rdparty clients | 09:23 |
| entil | they're using it for your facebook data, they can suggest friends of friends based on your whatsapp traffic etc | 09:23 |
| tadzik | Whatsup is using an old protocol from some old supported phone, so undetectable | 09:23 |
| entil | tadzik: wut, it was the old protocol that got mitakuuluu busted | 09:24 |
| tadzik | wut | 09:24 |
| ottulo | entil: nope | 09:24 |
| TemeV | entil: no, it was new protocol implemented wrong | 09:24 |
| ottulo | Mitakuuluu was posing as Android | 09:24 |
| entil | ah | 09:24 |
| entil | I stand corrected | 09:24 |
| ottulo | Whatsup is using an even older protocol | 09:24 |
| TemeV | advertising newer protocol than actually using or something like that | 09:24 |
| entil | ok, got it | 09:24 |
| TemeV | Whatsup is using protocol from some Symbian phone afaik | 09:25 |
| Kabouik | Hum. And how do you see when you're blocked, is there a clear message or just an fuzzy error message? | 09:25 |
| entil | anyway, faq, the safest thing you can use is textsecure | 09:25 |
| entil | a very clear error message | 09:25 |
| entil | and you need to use an android email client to send them an email to ask to be unblocked and they made it clear you can do this one (1) time | 09:25 |
| Kabouik | I don't like them, already. | 09:25 |
| tadzik | fwiw, whatsup works for me, while Jollagram is stuck on "registering" forever and ever | 09:26 |
| tadzik | and cannot be shut down | 09:26 |
| tadzik | as for "whatsup or telegram" | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | tox would be nice but it's still not usable | 09:26 |
| Kabouik | I'm trying to install Whatsup just now but Warehouse doesn't respond. I don't know why, can't even maximize Warehouse, I only see the unresonding cover. | 09:27 |
| tadzik | in other news, xmpp just works | 09:27 |
| entil | I don't see the telegram hype, it's not secure by default and the server is closed source, but maybe it's because of the desktop client etc usability-related stuff | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | I wish xmpp was usable :P | 09:27 |
| tadzik | is it not? | 09:27 |
| tadzik | at least it's working in the messages app | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | last time I tried with my wife's iPhone, all the clients were terrible | 09:27 |
| tadzik | instead of having a dedicated app for someone's bragging rights | 09:27 |
| TemeV | entil: it is much more usable than Whatsapp. It is not about security | 09:27 |
| entil | I use android textsecure, can't be arsed to develop my own stuff now | 09:27 |
| politie | desktop app makes telegram the winner | 09:28 |
| tadzik | I don't see why people are excited to have an app for every single messaging service | 09:28 |
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| Kabouik | I've got a related question. A friend of mine from another country apparently can't send texts to me, or she can, but they never will be delivered. I can receive texts from other people of her country, and she can send text to other people of mine. What could be wrong? Of course we double checked the numbers. She receives my texts. | 09:28 |
| entil | the mitakuuluu ui was really fucking amazingly good | 09:28 |
| Kabouik | (That's the reason why I need Whatsup now) | 09:28 |
| tadzik | it's beautiful that I can message someone and not have to worry if they're currently connected to xmpp, whatsup, telegram or whatever, and launch 5 apps to check that | 09:28 |
| tadzik | as I user, I don't give a flying fuck, just let me send a message to them | 09:28 |
| entil | Kabouik: you can also suck it up and install the android version | 09:29 |
| tadzik | but no, let's have one app each | 09:29 |
| tadzik | *sigh* | 09:29 |
| TemeV | telepathy-morse <3 | 09:29 |
| TemeV | (telepathy plugin for telegram) | 09:29 |
| tadzik | so it exists! | 09:29 |
| tadzik | jolla pls | 09:29 |
| tadzik | or, isn't that party actually opensource? | 09:29 |
| Kabouik | I'd prefer native UI entil, but yeah that's my last resort | 09:30 |
| politie | TemeV does it have file sending? | 09:30 |
| Kabouik | Xmpp would be good too. How does it work actually, what do I have to do? We both create accounts and that's all? | 09:30 |
| entil | I feel that, but you are aware of the risks now with safety and security, so make your own choices ;) | 09:30 |
| TemeV | politie: not yet | 09:30 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: yes | 09:30 |
| tadzik | on whatever server you want | 09:30 |
| tadzik | including your own | 09:30 |
| TemeV | politie: but the developer is working on it | 09:30 |
| Kabouik | Any recommendations (not my own, not skilled enough)? | 09:30 |
| tadzik | I use dukgo.com, from duckduckgo | 09:30 |
| tadzik | it works | 09:31 |
| politie | TemeV, ok but it probably works better than jollagram right? | 09:31 |
| entil | if I ever find the time to pick up on textsecure again, I guess it'd help to look into telepathy | 09:31 |
| TemeV | I haven't tried Jollagram for ages | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | Kabouik: used apple before? | 09:31 |
| entil | but the mitakuuluu ui is so great for it :P | 09:31 |
| Kabouik | Never Stskeeps | 09:31 |
| TemeV | but telepathy-morse just works :) | 09:31 |
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| tadzik | TemeV: have you tried it on jolla? | 09:31 |
| TemeV | (except the things that don't work) | 09:31 |
| politie | i gotta give it a try | 09:31 |
| TemeV | tadzik: I'm using it as my main messenger in Jolla since couple of monts | 09:31 |
| tadzik | TemeV: did you build it yourself, or there's a package? | 09:32 |
| TemeV | built it my self | 09:32 |
| tadzik | and it just magically plugs in into the accounts system and messages app? | 09:32 |
| TemeV | not really :) | 09:32 |
| tadzik | but can it be done? :) | 09:32 |
| TemeV | have to create the account on command line | 09:32 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: what can we do to help ^ get into official sfos builds? | 09:33 |
| TemeV | but after that, it integrates nicely besides the accounts page in settings | 09:33 |
| Kabouik | What's the pro over xmpp? Sorry but I now all these package names but I never had any need for them, so never compared | 09:33 |
| politie | are there instruction to install it? | 09:33 |
| politie | somewhere | 09:33 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: xmpp doesn't really do server-side history | 09:33 |
| tadzik | so each device you use has a different conversation history | 09:33 |
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| Kabouik | Oh so both people have to be connected at the same time to communicate tadzik, as opposed to Whatsapp, right? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: wait for us to open source stuff | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:33 |
| tadzik | it's really the only disadvantage of it, as far as a chatting user is concerned | 09:33 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: oh, no | 09:34 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: the awaiting messages will arrive to the first client that connects | 09:34 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: just if you use xmpp on both phone and computer, each will have a different history | 09:34 |
| Kabouik | Ok, sounds good enough for me then, I'll only use one device | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: isn't server side history a feature that may or may not be implemented? i remember seeing it some time ago in some server somewhere | 09:34 |
| tadzik | so a conversations you had on your phone won't show up on your computer | 09:34 |
| tadzik | ggabriel: there's a XEP I think | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | (it was cool to access your history from any device) | 09:34 |
| tadzik | I've also never seen a server or client that implements it | 09:34 |
| tadzik | tkabber probably does, since it implements all the things :) | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | not recently, no | 09:35 |
| tadzik | I'm quite excited about http://matrix.org/ | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | i can live without, but i remmeber seeing it | 09:35 |
| Kabouik | Pidgin is the only way to create an xmpp account on dukgo.com? I see no online form. | 09:35 |
| tadzik | it has a nice protocol too | 09:35 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: there's usually no online form | 09:35 |
| tadzik | just get any xmpp client | 09:35 |
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| tadzik | pidgin is one option, not sure if sailfish's xmpp client can register accounts | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | it couldn't last time i checked | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | or even add new contacts | 09:36 |
| tadzik | heh | 09:36 |
| Kabouik | I will need to tell her how to register an xmpp account from Android. Do you have any idea how she would do that? | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | having said that, it's the best xmpp client in the mobile market | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | xmpp clients in adroid are tricky | 09:36 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: android clients probably have that option | 09:37 |
| tadzik | (some of them anyway) | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | well, in ios too | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | 99% of them do man in the middle | 09:37 |
| tadzik | lol | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | i use beam, which is bearely usable and not sure if it's free | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | (comes with company phone) | 09:37 |
| Kabouik | (Matrix sounds interesting tadzik) | 09:37 |
| tadzik | I used beem (?) from f-droid (?) | 09:37 |
| tadzik | gf at that time was using... xabber I think? | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: excellent, so it's free :) | 09:38 |
| tadzik | as in freedom *and* beer :P | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | well, as you can get it for free | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | closed source ofc | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | but i did tcpdump it ;) | 09:38 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: do I remember wrong that there was some part of social-api-stuff that was open? | 09:38 |
| Kabouik | Not sure Matrix is mature enough to be used (the Android app), and I wonder if someone is working on a Sailfish port | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | it didn't "call home" | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: it is | 09:38 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: which one is that, for sharing? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm SfietKonstantinW might know | 09:39 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: no idea, I use it with weechat plugin | 09:39 |
| tadzik | but the api is clean and sweet, if you want to team up to do the telepathy implementation please poke me :) | 09:39 |
| Kabouik | Hmm I guess Alien Dalvik is not compatible with Matrix, can't see it in the Play store | 09:40 |
| tadzik | it may not be in play store at all :) | 09:41 |
| tadzik | it's quite Work In Progress | 09:41 |
| tadzik | https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-android-sdk/tree/master here's something | 09:41 |
| Kabouik | It ishttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.matrix.androidsdk.alpha | 09:41 |
| Kabouik | It is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.matrix.androidsdk.alpha | 09:41 |
| tadzik | oh, so it's there | 09:42 |
| tadzik | I'll poke the guys about the compatibility | 09:42 |
| Kabouik | But can't see it from the Jolla, I guess it's a problem with Dalvik (there was another app that was not listed last time I checked, and it was because it was only available to latest Android version) | 09:42 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: I see it in play store on jolla | 09:42 |
| tadzik | I searched for "matrix console" | 09:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Stskeeps: hum ? | 09:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nemo-qml-plugin-social is OSS as well as buteo sync stuff | 09:43 |
| Kabouik | I still don't see it tadzik, weird | 09:43 |
| tadzik | very weird | 09:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-social + https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-social | 09:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | for those interested (sorry to have missed the highlight) | 09:44 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: maybe I can find an apk on my device and send it to you somehow | 09:46 |
| Kabouik | Oh, yeah why not tadzik, thanks | 09:46 |
| tadzik | I wonder where it lives | 09:46 |
| Kabouik | /data/apps, something like that, right? | 09:46 |
| Kabouik | Besides, I've created an XMPP account using Jolla's account UI, but I don't really know how to add a contact or how to use this account to send a new message. | 09:47 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: I think I found it, now how do I share it... | 09:47 |
| Kabouik | I'm still puzzled about why I can't see the same things as you in the store | 09:47 |
| tadzik | yeah, it's odd | 09:48 |
| Kabouik | I'll give you an email address in MP | 09:48 |
| tadzik | alrighty | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | does anybody use uber here? | 09:57 |
| Helle | no, I don't like dealing with companies that blatently violate the law | 09:58 |
| politie | you dont like goverments | 09:58 |
| * ggabriel was kind of looking for confirmation that it now needs google services, wasn't willing to start an argument :P | 09:59 | |
| politie | too late now | 09:59 |
| tadzik | ggabriel: I did use it | 09:59 |
| tadzik | it worked before for me, then it stopped after some update | 09:59 |
| tadzik | now it asks me for a password on launch, and I forgot it, so problem solved :P | 10:00 |
| * pp bought a MSFT product, should I feel dirty?-) | 10:00 | |
| ggabriel | thanks tadzik | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | pp: hopefully with company money | 10:00 |
| tadzik | as for law-breaking, it is kind of amusing that taxis get so angry at them | 10:00 |
| pp | no, my own, http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/48015/frdgv/Microsoft-DC-21-varavirtalahde-oranssi#BVRRWidgetID | 10:00 |
| tadzik | if they didn't suck so much uber won't be as popular | 10:00 |
| politie | they better just join the winning team | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | pp: i assume you boutght hte battery | 10:01 |
| pp | works perfectly with my jolla :-) | 10:01 |
| Helle | tadzik: hint, taxis need to be insured and drivers need to take additional training, this is what makes a taxi more expensive, using a private vehicle for commercial services is against atleast my insurance policy | 10:01 |
| tadzik | Helle: it's not about the price so much as it is about the service | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | Helle: you forget that laws are different in different countries | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | in hte UK, you have to be a minicab to be able to be an uber dribvre | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | driver even | 10:02 |
| tadzik | it's more convenient to press a button on your phone and have a car arrive than call a few companies to see who's nearby | 10:02 |
| Helle | ggabriel: yes and Uber is illegal in mine :) | 10:02 |
| Helle | tadzik: regular taxi service here offers that | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | not that minicab drivers get a bit of extra training | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | but baby steps... | 10:02 |
| tadzik | also you don't have to carry money around or risk that their credit card terminal won't work | 10:02 |
| Helle | Uber is just people who want to make a few bucks and don't care about the law | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | nah, you're generalising | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | there are a lot of good folks driving uber cars | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | and they are very nice indeed | 10:03 |
| tadzik | the ones I talked to are mostly post-taxi-drivers | 10:03 |
| tadzik | they switched to Uber because it treats them better | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | there are very bad proper-taxi drivers too | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | they may have extra training and more insurance, they're still bad | 10:04 |
| ggabriel | but not all of them | 10:04 |
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| tadzik | uber drivers have an incentive to be nice too, because of the stars thing | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | if you want to pay out of your ass to get a driver who is speeding, doesn't use a seatbelt and doesn't indicate, take a taxi! :) | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | that's my experience of Finnish taxis | 10:04 |
| tadzik | well, Ubers I rode were speeding too :) | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: to be fair, are you not generalising too much? :) | 10:05 |
| tadzik | from my perspetive it's not so much about a lower price as it is about the superior service | 10:05 |
| tadzik | and taxi corps should stop bitching and get better | 10:05 |
| tadzik | but that's just my opinion | 10:05 |
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| ggabriel | my opinion is that they should all have a native sfos application | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | and failing that, an android one that does _not_ depend on google services | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | at least i'd take taxis more often | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | now i have to spend all that money i save in beer | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | shocking | 10:06 |
| tadzik | doesn't the beer taste bad after you take the money out? | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | beer never tastes bad | 10:10 |
| leinir | unless you don't really like beer ;) | 10:11 |
| pp | :-) | 10:11 |
| leinir | https://xkcd.com/1534/ | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | acquired taste maybe | 10:11 |
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| Sail0r | Stskeeps: do you know of a way to debug bluez? And which A2DP codecs are selected between handshake or playing? | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: i would usually tell you to talk to hannu mallat but he's on vacation right now .. :) | 11:03 |
| Sail0r | damn :D | 11:03 |
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| pp | wireshark! | 11:05 |
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| TheBootroo|work | ohai | 11:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | any update about Tablet shipping date for pre-orders on Indiegogo ? | 11:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | is the new screen adaption going well / done ? or are there still release blockers ? | 11:13 |
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| Sail0r | pp: but first I need to enable tracing somehow | 11:24 |
| Sail0r | maybe just place a bt_stack.conf in /etc/bluetooth and hope for it to be honored | 11:25 |
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| Nicd- | jolla has a week of time to release their new SFOS partner | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | from the dungeon? | 11:26 |
| Nicd- | well, release info about | 11:26 |
| Nicd- | because they promised to do it before summer holidays | 11:26 |
| pp | they have offices in asia too, those guys have close to zero holidays! | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | brisbane summer? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:27 |
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| kimmoli | according to rumors , new partner is FSB ? | 11:33 |
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| Teme | which rumors | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | Teme: it's in the mi6 newsletter | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | I wish I could give you a link, but it's classified :P | 11:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: are you sure, i saw it on the CIA Twitter account.... | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | well, it's news, so many agencies will spread the rumour ;) | 11:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | any news about the hardware part of the tablet ? | 11:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | because AFAIK, SFOS is just about software | 11:40 |
| politie | pentium 4 | 11:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | that blog post about screen changes is it really coming someday ?$ | 11:40 |
| politie | rumors say | 11:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | politie: pentium 4 screen ? SRSLY :D | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo|work: check the blog or the website? | 11:41 |
| politie | haha | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | it's going to be a crt screen or something | 11:41 |
| politie | latest and greatest | 11:41 |
| politie | 22" crt | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | monochrome | 11:41 |
| politie | ofcourse | 11:41 |
| * ggabriel thinks that the tablet should one day arrived, without preambles, as a surprise | 11:42 | |
| Teme | ggabriel: damn :P | 11:42 |
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| Acce | I would be so glad about such surprise... but it would need to be before 23th of July | 11:42 |
| Kabouik | I can't seem to receive the sms code with Whatsup, whatever the way I format the country code and phone number (+33 or 0033 or 33, and phone number starting with 0 or not) | 11:42 |
| Kabouik | What am I doing wrong? | 11:43 |
| politie | did you try all thos formats? | 11:44 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 11:44 |
| TemeV | Kabouik: did you try with android whatsapp | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | No TemeV, it's not installed and I'd like to avoid that | 11:46 |
| TheBootroo|work | latest update about Jolla Tablet on Jolla Blog is 23 april | 11:46 |
| TheBootroo|work | all others post are about ambiences contest, latsu case or new partners on software | 11:47 |
| Kabouik | (And by the way I tried creating an xmpp account using Pidgin on dukgo.com server, as advised here, but Pidgin will never activate the account, I don't know what is wrong. Is dukgo.com down?) | 11:47 |
| TemeV | I wonder if this still works https://coderus.openrepos.net/whitesoft/whatsapp_sms | 11:47 |
| TemeV | Kabouik: and did you try the voice option? | 11:48 |
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| Kabouik | Sorry, I had to change WiFi network, hope I haven't missed a reply | 11:52 |
| Armadillo | you didn't ;) | 11:53 |
| Kabouik | I actually hoped I had missed one and someone would repeat :p | 11:53 |
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| backjlack | What's going on with the tablet deliveries? | 14:01 |
| backjlack | There hasn't been an update for a long time and things aren't looking good at all. | 14:03 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | some info would be great | 14:04 |
| backjlack | Yeah, I've talked to a few friends and we'll be asking for refunds soon. | 14:06 |
| backjlack | ~15 tablets | 14:07 |
| locusf | did you check the blog? | 14:07 |
| locusf | it says end of July | 14:07 |
| backjlack | End of July what? | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | 31st july | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | delivery | 14:08 |
| backjlack | Hah, that's so convenient. | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | not sure what other update people need | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | it's been announced ages ago | 14:08 |
| backjlack | That's basically a delivery in August. | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | well, it says end of july == 31st july | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | it could be delayed again of course but that hasn't been announced | 14:08 |
| chem|st | backjlack: what are you on about, it is crowdfunding, if it isn't 2 months late there is something wrong | 14:09 |
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| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: well, hope they won't wait 31st of july to announce another delay | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo|work: in fairness to jolla, they announced the delay from may to end of july with plenty of time | 14:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | and a small news telling "all is going well, we'll be on time" wouldn't hurt | 14:09 |
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| backjlack | I really don't care it's crowdfunding. You need to tell people what's going on. | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | debatable | 14:09 |
| backjlack | You've already taken their money. | 14:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | backjlack: +1 | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | erm... but they told us | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | or you expect an hour-by-hour report? | 14:10 |
| chem|st | backjlack: we are one month away from "announced" delivery... | 14:10 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: he means keeping us tuned and i agree | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | well, if you had an hour-by-hour report, you will then want a minute-by-minute | 14:10 |
| backjlack | Hour by hour? | 14:10 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I'm sure cybette is preparing a blog post | 14:10 |
| backjlack | How about at least every 15 days? | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | yes | 14:10 |
| TheBootroo|work | 1 post by month at least | 14:10 |
| * ggabriel rests his case | 14:10 | |
| ggabriel | and lols | 14:10 |
| backjlack | That would be better than we're doing stuff, but we can't bother to tell you. | 14:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: i hope so, last one is dated from 23st April | 14:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | except for the ambience contest | 14:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yep that's a bit old | 14:11 |
| backjlack | You know what? I'm going to go for a refund now. | 14:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | this do not count :( | 14:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | nope it doesn't | 14:11 |
| backjlack | This exchange has proven that the company couldn't care less. | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | backjlack: there is no refund on indiegogo | 14:11 |
| TheBootroo|work | backjlack: for my part i'm waiting half-july to see | 14:11 |
| locusf | https://youtu.be/hFDcoX7s6rE <- people wqiting for the tablet or tohkbd2 | 14:12 |
| chem|st | you have the standard return policy if you are in europe but thats about it | 14:12 |
| Plnt | backjlack: most of the people here are jolla fans, not from the company. so they are not voicing jolla's opinions, just their owns. | 14:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | locusf: wow, good reference ! | 14:12 |
| chem|st | a "sorry I could not wait for it" refund is not gonna happen | 14:12 |
| backjlack | A legal complaint will be as good. | 14:13 |
| chem|st | backjlack: legal? read the terms you signed up with at indiegogo... | 14:14 |
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| TheBootroo|work | oops, he leaved | 14:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :( | 14:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | too bad | 14:14 |
| politie | theres plenty others that'll take those 15 tablets | 14:15 |
| TheBootroo|work | personnaly i'm not as upset as he is, but i've some money issues so if i spent my money for something not coming soon, i'll pissed off in final | 14:15 |
| chem|st | "we ordered 15 tablets from a crowdfunding platform, and as soon as they are late I call my mummy to call my lawyer to have him tell me that I signed terms that leave me waiting" | 14:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :( | 14:15 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: that's a real problem | 14:16 |
| Plnt | TheBootroo|work: i guess that he's in pressure from his friends whom he ordered the tablets for.. | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo|work | if they told from the start that the tablet would come for let's say Xmas, i would have waited | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo|work | i pre ordered because i wanted to have it in may as told at beginning | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo|work | i had projects | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo|work | now i'm just waiting, without fresh news | 14:17 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo|work: highly subjective... I hit rock bottom in december last year... 600eur in crowdfunding I have not received a single one yet, so I recover within the black since May | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo|work | jolla folks are good guys, with good product but really really bad communication skills | 14:17 |
| cb400f | ah, like the rest of the foss community >;-) | 14:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: they are simply introspect finns :) | 14:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | cb400f: you have a point too :) | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: lol | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo|work | cb400f: except that not all community is crowfunding "transparent/do it together" products | 14:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | in this aspect, Jolla MUST be the most transparent as possible | 14:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | when announcing the delay in april, the blog post said "If you’re a Jolla Tablet contributor, you’ll receive an email about the next steps very soon." | 14:20 |
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| TheBootroo|work | i'm a contributor, and i don't have visibly the same definition of "VERY soon" | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | for me very soon is about one week or two | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | not 2 monthes still nothing | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | also in same post comments "We are publishing a tablet hardware update post soon here on the blog, " | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | this time not "very soon" but still "soon" | 14:21 |
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| TheBootroo|work | Yet-To-Be-Seen-But-Very-Soon | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo|work | (TM) | 14:22 |
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| TheBootroo|work | by respect for the community that support them, they should try not to reproduce the same issues that were on the phone release | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | @ Jolla : learn from your past, else one day, people that support will learn from theirs not to trust you anymore | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | and the little boat will sink | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | i say that without anger | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | and what would those people do? go to apple which is more expensive and less reliable? | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | or to go google who don't really care about anything? | 14:24 |
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| politie | nokia | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: nope, those people would have hard time finding correct product, but at least they would have something | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, the phone didn't sell very well and a lot of people preferred to port sailfish to a cheap android device, so there you go | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | something like what? | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | a tizen device? | 14:25 |
| TheBootroo|work | bad product still > no product (or hypotheticly superiour unreleased product) | 14:25 |
| grzywacz | that ^ | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | all you need to do re the tablet is wait | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | they said 31st july | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | it's a lot better if jolla focus on delivery than on reporting to an impatient subset of the community/backers | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | sorry, they said end of july, i say 31st of july to be on the safe side | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: one small post per months isn't delaying the release | 14:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | +1 TheBootroo|work | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | yes, it delays it for as long as the post takes to write, revise and so on | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo|work | given that the ones who talk to community aren't the technical persons who are working hard on the last bugs | 14:26 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | as usual though, just like for the release of the phone | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: sadly yes, history repeats itself | 14:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | an update on dev loaning program could be nice too | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo|work: and how do you know that? | 14:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: I call this: lack of manpower | 14:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or auto-censorship ? (don't talk about something that is not ready yet) | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo|work | anyway i AM trusty jolla still, because others are way worse, but there no evil asking/dreaming for better | 14:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | come on, the phone was not ready, but people liked it | 14:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: indeed | 14:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I'm waiting opensource too | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | i had a much better time with the "unready" jolla than with my latest android to be fair | 14:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | although less impatiently, but I think that this will help them open their communication more | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: yeah and people prefer "we are 10%", then "20%", etc, than "we are 20%" since monthes | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | *because it looks like stuck | 14:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: yah indeed | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | small progress must be shown, because there is progress | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: me too | 14:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I monitor their work through git commits though | 14:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | + also the schedule | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | SfietKonstantinW: i was going to suggest that... | 14:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | that is something quite good | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of the work on it is also SW fwiw, which we do try to push a lot of info on.. | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | although i imagine there is plenty of work on the ui stuff | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: schedule is quite bad | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: unless they got a huge speedup in july they WON'T be ready for 31st | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo|work: that's a bold statement | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: just look at the status of schedule wiki | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | i won't second guess jolla | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo|work | i just hope they have no time to update it, | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | as i don't know them | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo|work | and it doesn't reflect up to date status | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | perhaps | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | it won't kill me if the tablet gets delayed again fwiw | 14:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: schedule is quite bad, granted, but at least we can see what to expect. | 14:31 |
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| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: i won't kill me neither but i would be REALLY disappointed, and i would not risk money for a third product | 14:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: let's see for the next release | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile, supreme court in US refuses to review the Oracle-Google API case.. | 14:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Stskeeps: I don't know which camp to choose for this case | 14:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | honestly | 14:33 |
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| TheBootroo|work | at the sight of what's is still TODO in roadmap, i would say that most of them could come in v2.1, after the tablet is shipped, in order to speed up things a little bit | 14:34 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: shame, google deserves a blow ;-) | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | but there's been so much dancing around that subject that nothing would surprise me | 14:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: yep | 14:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: Oracle deserves a blow too | 14:37 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | they are just doing some non-concurrencial stuff | 14:37 |
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| jgdx | lpotter, hey, I have a question about running the libqofono tests in 0.79. Are you using a script to stop/start ofono? | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | as somebody else put it, at least oracle never pretended to be your friend ;-) | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | also, oracle got a blow recently so gg | 14:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | just to conclude on this : i'm not asking for having my hands on my tablet tomorow, but just some official words on how things are going on, and if there are still release blockers or just some normal dev work | 14:40 |
| jgdx | lpotter, also, what ofono phonesim ver do you use, since you're able to test the radiosettings interface? :) | 14:41 |
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| TheBootroo|work | Stskeeps: wow the background is hurting my eyes, can't watch more | 14:42 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo|work: I doubt that things not flagged done in roadmap will be in before 2.0 | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo|work: modern DRM | 14:43 |
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| TheBootroo|work | maybe i'd a little bit more patient if i could try SFOS 2.0 on my phone already | 14:54 |
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| chem|st | TheBootroo|work: you have sfos2.0 on your phone already | 15:02 |
| Yaniel | most of it anyway | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: that guy was angry, was he expecting a jolla tablet in may too? :) | 15:03 |
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| TheBootroo|work | chem|st: well not really | 15:06 |
| TheBootroo|work | by SFOS i mean new lockscreen, new event view, new enhanced ambience profiles | 15:06 |
| TheBootroo|work | updated middleware means not much if UI is not updated | 15:06 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo|work: it is closer to 2.0 as you think | 15:07 |
| TheBootroo|work | just hope that by the time i finally get the tablet, the phone will be updated with same ui, else it'll be really hard to get used to the tablet ergonomic changes if the phone still has the old ones | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | one code line. | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo|work | where is the secret invisible switch ? | 15:08 |
| TemeV | one line of code would be cooler :) | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo|work | showSailfish2Magic: true in QML ? | 15:09 |
| chem|st | what happens UI wise? cover-actions get degraded to pulls, lockscreen gets swipe gestures added, peek-view gets degraded to statusbar and global events-view gesture gets degraded to global launcher | 15:09 |
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| TheBootroo|work | chem|st: not only | 15:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | event view gets more info | 15:09 |
| TheBootroo|work | much cleaner | 15:09 |
| chem|st | *cover-actions become buttons... | 15:10 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo|work: events-view is events-view, not exactly a 2.0 'feature' | 15:10 |
| chem|st | if it be working properly we'd have it already... | 15:10 |
| TheBootroo|work | chem|st: anyway, shown to MWC as the "new event view" | 15:10 |
| chem|st | so you are waiting for an app-upgrade and not the UI | 15:11 |
| chem|st | and *cleaner? it is getting much mor populated that is the opposite of *clean! | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | chem|st: yeah but it got groups/categories/sections, which is clean | 15:15 |
| TheBootroo|work | it will surely look much better on tablet than on phone but it will be cool on both | 15:15 |
| TheBootroo|work | but i hope i can get rid of this stupid "Take a selfie" link | 15:15 |
| TheBootroo|work | Selfie is just the most stupidly narcissic thing of the century, i don't want to have it in my view field | 15:16 |
| TheBootroo|work | i understand the need for jolla to sound "hype" but don't forget to be also "unlike" | 15:17 |
| TheBootroo|work | selfie-phones are dumb bullshit | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | so much hate, man :) | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | sometimes you do need to be in the picture, at least to remember what you looked like x years ago ;) | 15:18 |
| kjetilho | I think the Sony Ericsson t610 was the first selfie-hone | 15:18 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: why not being in the picture whilst not being THE picture of you own | 15:19 |
| kjetilho | *phone. it came with a tiny tiny mirror you could fit just next to the camera :) | 15:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | now on selfies you got to ask yourself what the man/girl wanted to show, and generally, it's his/her face and that's all | 15:19 |
| TheBootroo|work | and when i see all the stupid people who gained darwin award-winning stupid death caused by selfie, i can't help but laugh | 15:20 |
| kjetilho | selfies show what you are doing. they are ephemeral by their nature. | 15:20 |
| TheBootroo|work | natural selection dudes | 15:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | nature is eliminating non-viable specimens | 15:21 |
| TheBootroo|work | like that girl who climbed on top of a train and touched electrical wires with her selfie stick | 15:22 |
| TheBootroo|work | or the couple that felt down in a helm because they where too close to the border while taking selfie FROM BEHINF | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | *behing | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | how stupid is this ? | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | "look i'm just in front of this huge and deep whole and i OOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIIT" | 15:23 |
| TheBootroo|work | * stupid couple rage quitted * | 15:24 |
| TheBootroo|work | that's sad for the children who where taking the picture | 15:24 |
| TheBootroo|work | that's all | 15:24 |
| TheBootroo|work | ggabriel: i'm not really hateful, just annoyed as hell | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo|work | stupid people dying stupidly doing stupid thing do not deserve a blog post | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo|work: well, ok, gotcha | 15:29 |
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| chem|st | at least there is an award for it | 15:57 |
| chem|st | *new achievement unlocked* - maybe we can get those stupid people to actually want a darwin award! | 15:58 |
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| attah | Has anyone else been missing remorse/finished bar for downloads since last update? (can't see anything on tjc) | 18:49 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | attah: same thing here | 18:57 |
| attah | HarhaanJohtaja: Thanks! So TJC post it is then. | 18:57 |
| attah | Nvm.. there was one! | 18:58 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/95912/bug-no-finished-download-notification-since-11627/ | 18:58 |
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| attah | apparently i failed at keywords until i tried to decide on a heading for the post | 18:59 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://together.jolla.com/question/95912/bug-no-finished-download-notification-since-11627/ | 18:59 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | too late | 18:59 |
| attah | ;) | 18:59 |
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| TheBootroo|home | MMS aren't working anymore on jolla phone ? | 21:56 |
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| TheBootroo|home | i still use the same parameters for FreeMobile (France) but now i can't send/recv MMS | 21:57 |
| TheBootroo|home | using same parameters a few monthes ago it used to work | 21:57 |
| TheBootroo|home | i haven't been sending MMS for a long time so i dunno exactly when it stopped working | 21:57 |
| TheBootroo|home | but i doesn't work anymore | 21:58 |
| TheBootroo|home | SfietKonstantinW: aren't you on same provider too ? | 21:58 |
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| coderus | sailors here? can you please remove abusive comment in Store for ScreenTapShot application? | 22:00 |
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| tadzik | I sent one today | 22:11 |
| tadzik | (mms, not abusive comment) | 22:12 |
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