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| pp | hmpf, randomly maybe not getting incoming calls :D (this'll be interesting to debug, once was next to person who was calling me, now three companies promised to get back to me and haven't heard from them... Could be the holidays, the mobile network or the phone :D ) | 06:26 |
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| Stskeeps | pp: 4G? | 06:26 |
| pp | was, now forcing 3G to be sure, I have to get my washing machine fixed! | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | because it's not unusual that companies 3g/2g fallback suck | 06:27 |
| pp | hehe yea, I had ipv6 enabled now too (not that it should make a difference, but...) | 06:29 |
| pp | I guess it might suck more | 06:29 |
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| birdzhang | anybody know how to use pptp on jolla ? | 07:29 |
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| birdzhang | https://openrepos.net/content/ketilk/pptp this software depend ppp and there is no ppp repo | 07:33 |
| birdzhang | i'am compiling ppp now | 07:34 |
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| coderus | birdzhang: are you not awake completely? https://openrepos.net/content/ketilk/ppp | 07:48 |
| coderus | enable user repository via warehouse | 07:48 |
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| coderus | stop installing as files | 07:48 |
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| birdzhang | thank you,i'm trying | 07:54 |
| tadzik | three companies promised to get back to me and haven't heard from them <-- can this be a feature? :D | 07:54 |
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| pp__ | potentially, now I called one of them and they hadn't actually called me D: | 07:55 |
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| birdzhang | modprobe: FATAL: Module ppp-compress-18 not found. | 08:14 |
| birdzhang | /usr/sbin/pptpsetup: couldn't find MPPE support in kernel. | 08:14 |
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| birdzhang | pptpsetup with param "--encrypt" need MPPE | 08:14 |
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| rubdos | tadzik, yay, respons times of companies is ugly sometimes. So are their spamfilters :( | 08:33 |
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| adherry | Greetings, fringe group phone users | 09:35 |
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| baum | just wondering - why does the phone allow bluetooth and wifi thethering out of the box, but not USB tethering? | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | because they haven't implemented it yet | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | I think usb tethering was work in progress | 09:58 |
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| viccuad | hi guys. Does JollaOS provide sandbox for applications? thanks in advance | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | no | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | i think usb tethering works, you have to set the thing up manually though | 10:01 |
| Yaniel | *SailfiishOS | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | viccuad: longer term yes | 10:01 |
| Yaniel | -i | 10:01 |
| kid | baum: one can add it, but I guess it's beta-quality | 10:01 |
| * kid has added it, but does not remember how atm | 10:01 | |
| flux | I suppose by now the Sailfish application isolation story is finished?-o perhaps even the solution is in the road map? | 10:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not sure | 10:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | since Stskeeps said "longer term yes" | 10:02 |
| viccuad | so, beta now. I have googled yet not found much. what is the stack? AppArmor, SELinux? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | probably selinux | 10:02 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | hope it won't be too painful to workaround, while still providing decent security | 10:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | selinux on my Fedora is a pain, and always disabled ... | 10:03 |
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| vrutkovs | it would be interesting to try app sandboxing, using https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps for instance | 10:03 |
| viccuad | well, done right should be just providing runtimes and a permissions manifest I suppose, ala https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps | 10:04 |
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| viccuad | yeah. plus having the same sandboxing scheme across distros would be awesome, of course | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | if distros could remotely agree on things | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:05 |
| viccuad | well, right now is just that, Click packages (eww static linking) and Docker (which is not properly sandboxed 100%) | 10:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | isn't there a freedesktop thing ? | 10:06 |
| viccuad | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps aims to be the freedesktop one, IIRC | 10:06 |
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| ccha | hello, any news about jolla tablet ? | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | ccha: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-developer-device-loan-program-starting-soon/ | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | that's the latest | 10:07 |
| vrutkovs | viccuad: https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2015/06/24/xdg-app-moving-to-freedesktop-org/ | 10:08 |
| ccha | last news was shipping for july, right ? | 10:08 |
| viccuad | vrutkovs: thanks, that's very nice | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | 31st july | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | will be at your doorstep (if you ordered one) | 10:09 |
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| viccuad | vrutkovs: wow, that's dated 24 june, so they have moved to freedesktop today?! | 10:10 |
| vrutkovs | viccuad: yep ;) | 10:11 |
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| viccuad | thaaat's nice! let's hope distro devs start contributing alltogether | 10:11 |
| * viccuad shouts out for sailfish devs | 10:12 | |
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| adherry | I am looking forward for a consumer ready jolla | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | adherry: good news, yuo can get one now :P | 10:13 |
| baum | alright thanks | 10:13 |
| viccuad | me too. plus Jolla FOSS stack | 10:13 |
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| adherry | I have one | 10:16 |
| adherry | and you have to quirk a lot | 10:16 |
| adherry | I had to manually format my 64 gb sd card | 10:16 |
| entil | loan program :( | 10:16 |
| entil | that's weird | 10:16 |
| adherry | for my music to be on the sd card I needed the shell to make a ln -s | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | adherry: well, that's better than -for example- any iphone that doesn't allow you to put an sd card in, right? | 10:17 |
| adherry | for my wifi I needed to manually create a profile for conman | 10:17 |
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| adherry | well, on ios you can do that in a gui | 10:17 |
| adherry | at least the wifi part | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | adherry: i hav emusic on my sd card without any synlink (as far as i remember anyway) | 10:17 |
| adherry | took me an hour to get that configuration right | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | and i never had to tell anything to conman for my wifi | 10:17 |
| adherry | I linked ~/music to /sdcard/music | 10:17 |
| * ggabriel now wonders if idevices support sd cards | 10:17 | |
| ggabriel | adherry: nope, I didn't have to do that | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | music gets picked up automatically | 10:18 |
| adherry | really? | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | also, /sdcard/music sounds wrong, unless you wanted to abbreviate or are using a very old version of sfos | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | yup, my ~/Music dir is empty | 10:19 |
| adherry | its just an abbreviation^^ | 10:19 |
| adherry | also the media service is bad at using album arts | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | ok, in that case tracker finds my music automatically | 10:19 |
| adherry | very bad^^ | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | debatable | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | but i wouldn't say that it isn't a consumer device because of that | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | to me anything in adroid is very bad and yet it's a consumer ready device | 10:20 |
| adherry | I also got sync services to not work twice and had to manually remove bad files for it to work again^^ | 10:20 |
| adherry | I dont use android any more | 10:20 |
| adherry | only iOS and my Jolla | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | ios is very bad too and it's a consumer ready device :) | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | e.g., it doesn't support xmpp | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | their mail application sucks | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't multitask | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | and i can go on | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | but it's better than any google phone, yes | 10:21 |
| Armadillo | well the Jolla Mailclient is not the best, too... | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | Armadillo: syncs a lot better than the competition | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | it may not have threads and things like that | 10:21 |
| Armadillo | well | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | but i don't have to delete emails twice | 10:21 |
| adherry | gmail is a good bit better as an email app than the jolla app | 10:21 |
| ggabriel | gmail is not an email application | 10:21 |
| tadzik | does it work for non-gmail? :) | 10:21 |
| Armadillo | at least correct folder sorting should be a thing which should work for any mail client | 10:22 |
| adherry | i never read mails on my phone | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | is a closed frontend for gmail | 10:22 |
| adherry | yes tadzik | 10:22 |
| tadzik | hm, interesting | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | lol? | 10:22 |
| adherry | the gmail app can work with all mail clients since like 4.4 or 5.0 | 10:22 |
| tadzik | gee, mail | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | uh? | 10:22 |
| ggabriel | that doesn't make sense | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | all mail clients? or do you mean mail servers? | 10:22 |
| adherry | yes servers | 10:23 |
| adherry | I really would like threaded vievs in mail | 10:24 |
| adherry | the app store of jolla is still not supporting paid apps | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes, but at least we have flattr now | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | which is looking interesting experiment | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | sadly flattr is not a choice in finland | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | adherry: you're right, apparently it supports "other email from yahoo mail, outlook.com and all other email accounts" | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | i wonder if it works _without_ gmail though | 10:26 |
| adherry | I used it with icloud mail | 10:26 |
| adherry | so it works with all | 10:26 |
| adherry | and my own domain | 10:27 |
| adherry | nobody uses flattr | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | well, that's a bold statement | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | suppose some people use it | 10:27 |
| vrutkovs | paid apps? who's gonna use that? | 10:27 |
| Armadillo | I can confirm some people use Flattr ;) | 10:27 |
| adherry | Well, didnt you need to flattr someone in order to get flattrd? | 10:28 |
| Armadillo | not since 2013 or so | 10:28 |
| adherry | also paid apps help attract devs. Nobody likes to work for free | 10:28 |
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| Armadillo | oh 1st may 2011 was the date | 10:29 |
| adherry | which still leaves jolla as fringe os, since they have the same chicken egg problem that ms has without the marked power of ms | 10:30 |
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| vrutkovs | adherry: you can charge moneys for rpms from users, lets see how many new devs will be attracted by that | 10:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | let's see support from other institutions | 10:31 |
| Armadillo | Jolla is a small company, they can't fight a multi front war with the rest of the market | 10:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ie: Russia, and BRICS in general | 10:31 |
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| Armadillo | hopefully Russia invests some manpower to SailfishOS | 10:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | we need OSS SFOS before | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | this could be really nice | 10:32 |
| Armadillo | let's see what will happen with V2.0 | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | remember: 2.0 is likely to be an evolutive release | 10:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not a revolution | 10:36 |
| Armadillo | I don't expect wonders to happen ;) | 10:36 |
| urs | I've seen 2.0 in action. It will feel somewhat different. | 10:37 |
| urs | (sideways scrolling instead of vertical! omg!) | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel | sfos 2 will be nothing compared to android m. android m supports double tap to wake | 10:38 |
| tadzik | it fixes some problems that the current ui has, namely being able to scroll through >9 apps open | 10:38 |
| ggabriel | that will be the future | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | tohkbd pics: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/RoY65im1KWn | 10:39 |
| Jope | töhhh | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: very nice | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | need to take better pics. I was too excited to start using it :D | 10:40 |
| tadzik | damn, neat | 10:40 |
| tadzik | I should've backed that >_< | 10:40 |
| Nicd- | also, contrary to what the kickstarter said, there was no assembly | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | all magnets were in place | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | no assembly?! | 10:41 |
| viccuad | wouldn't it be awesome to have a jolla tablet with a detachable broadband modem on toh? | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | well, the tablet would need a toh concept first, right? | 10:42 |
| kimmoli | flat 3G/wifi/usb thingie? | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | a USB port for small dongles hidden in the device would be nice | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | like what some drawing tablets have | 10:43 |
| viccuad | ggabriel: well yes.. one can dream | 10:44 |
| viccuad | or just pry open your jolla phone, break the broadband chip, and use one on toh | 10:44 |
| birdzhang | have you tried to replace splash screen ? | 10:46 |
| birdzhang | I replaced initlogo.rle ,and it still show "Jolla" | 10:47 |
| Nicd- | anyone else able to install Quickddit from store? | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | mine is stuck on "Downloading" and then errors out | 10:48 |
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| birdzhang | you can try it from warehouse | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | I know but I want it from the official store | 10:49 |
| birdzhang | :) | 10:49 |
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| tadzik | Nicd-: mine works | 10:53 |
| tadzik | or at least it says it's installed, maybe because I installed it from warehouse first... :P | 10:53 |
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| Nicd- | I just get "Problem with Store" :( | 10:53 |
| Nicd- | any jolla store folk around? | 10:53 |
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| nazanin | Nicd-: I'll check and let you know | 10:55 |
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| tadzik | hm, new budget app, I wonder how it compares to BudgetBook | 10:57 |
| nazanin | Nicd-: can you install any other apps? | 10:57 |
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| Nicd- | nazanin: I think it's because I had it from openrepos first and my repos aren't refreshed correctly | 10:58 |
| TemeV | Nicd-: clear the cache from utilities | 11:01 |
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| TemeV | I think it should help for some "problem with store" issues | 11:02 |
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| tadzik | makes me think that "Problem with Store" should be doing that itself in case it fixes itself that way | 11:06 |
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| Nicd- | tadzik: well it requires reboot | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | TemeV: that fixed it, thanks! | 11:09 |
| TemeV | np | 11:13 |
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| tadzik | Nicd-: oh, didn't know that | 11:16 |
| tadzik | fairy nuff | 11:16 |
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| birdzhang | i have a problem ,there are three notification and cannot clear them,even after reboot | 11:27 |
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| gabriel9 | I noticed that my screen 'restarts' sometimes and part of it are unresponsive for some reason. And sometimes after 'restart' it works again... | 11:28 |
| gabriel9 | Is there some command which i could use it to manualy 'reset' screen? | 11:28 |
| birdzhang | i sailfishos version update from 1.1.6.17->1.1.4.x->1.1.6.27 | 11:28 |
| birdzhang | gabriel9: I have the same question | 11:29 |
| kimmoli | systemctl --user restart lipstick ? | 11:29 |
| birdzhang | part of it are unresponsive | 11:30 |
| gabriel9 | birdzhang: bottom part? | 11:30 |
| birdzhang | bottom part works | 11:31 |
| birdzhang | middle part unresponsive | 11:31 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 11:31 |
| gabriel9 | it's not elping | 11:32 |
| kimmoli | sounds like hw issue to me | 11:32 |
| gabriel9 | sometimes it works... | 11:32 |
| kimmoli | evdev_trace -t and check do you get anything when touching that area? | 11:33 |
| birdzhang | after restart ,all works | 11:33 |
| gabriel9 | kimmoli: i will try that after i finish some parts for my job | 11:34 |
| gabriel9 | but thanks for command. :) | 11:34 |
| birdzhang | and i don't know how to reproduce | 11:34 |
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| onla | whats the lifespan of the jolla phone? If a new improved jolla phone comes, will there be updates for the older etc | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | nobody knows | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | probably yes since it looks like there won't be a new jolla phone for some time, if ever | 12:29 |
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| viccuad | if it all were FOSS, it would be easy to have updates.. | 12:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | however the Jolla had already quite a lot of updates | 12:30 |
| onla | I heard they are thinking of opening it more, but I guess that's still not enough, because not sure if it ever gonna be all FOSS | 12:31 |
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| ln- | you cannot make a completely FOSS phone. | 12:32 |
| onla | neo900 is not? | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | neo900 still has black box modem | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | and closed gfx drivers | 12:33 |
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| ln- | and besides that, neo900 is not yet on the market, you cannot actually buy it. | 12:34 |
| onla | they are taking orders already though. It is too expensive for me though | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | the price of almost foss ;) | 12:35 |
| viccuad | making all FOSS besides the gfx drivers, broadband, and alien dalvik would be enough to ensure some nice updates for the phone | 12:37 |
| viccuad | and foster and attract devs to sailfish and jolla. even Microsoft got it right: developers, developers, developers.. | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | uh? ms windows is closed | 12:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I hope that this comes soon | 12:38 |
| onla | with that you could still solve the too thin font and no true black on white theme that makes it hard to read on sunlight problem without needing to wait years from UI team to do something about it! | 12:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ggabriel: but the .NET env is OSS now | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | i hope so too, but there's plenty of open stuff already | 12:38 |
| viccuad | ggabriel: yeah they are closed source, but the "developers developers developers" line is quite true | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | depends on the quality of the developers | 12:39 |
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| viccuad | I have always found the best developers to be the ones that enjoy FOSS | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | i haven't - i don't think liking foss guarantees a good dev | 12:40 |
| viccuad | ofc, it's not an <-> | 12:40 |
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| ln- | openness doesn't "ensure some nice updates" as long as someone is only working on those updates on their free time. | 12:41 |
| viccuad | ln-: yet it is a precondition. If you don't have the code to start working on your free time, then.. | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | like i said, there's plenty of code open already | 12:42 |
| onla | I'm thinking of buying jolla, but still hesitating because I know this would affect me https://together.jolla.com/question/18957/difficult-to-use-the-phone-in-bright-sunlight-need-for-blackwhite-and-or-high-contrast-ambience/ ..and tracing to the root of that problem comes the 'closed sourceness' in to question, and because of jollas open sourceness I am thinking of getting one in the first place 8) | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | and not many people working on it, but a lot complaining about it | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | e.g., browser | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | onla: erm, that may well be the quality of the screen and people's eyes | 12:42 |
| viccuad | chicken and egg problem | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | i don't have problems if i increase the brightness, but i'm colour blind so i can see better contrast | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | ymmv | 12:43 |
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| onla | I know that I will likely have that problem. I user larger and bolder fonts usually with my desktop pc etc | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | maybe go to the shade to use the phone? :) | 12:44 |
| onla | no. I like to intentionally go to this one place to do stuff with phone | 12:45 |
| onla | I always have to set full brightness to my phone there | 12:46 |
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| ggabriel | what's your current phone? | 12:47 |
| onla | iphone 4s. (sisters old phone, I didn't buy it!:) | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | uhm... screen may be brighter on that one to be fair | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | so you'll suffer a little bit with the jolla | 12:49 |
| onla | well, I can work with some 80% brightness with that | 12:49 |
| onla | but with the UI I guess I would be seeing the thin font a lot. I guess I could adjust its size in places, but not make it bolder? But I guess I could have a better font with the apps I would be using, so maybe that would not be a problem | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | i have no clue about all that | 12:51 |
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| onla | I have been using a epub reader, a web browser, rss reader. I already checked, and found a rss reader for jolla that allows you to enlarge fonts at least | 12:51 |
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| zorael | Having some troble with mounting the phone -- it *used* to work, but not sure if it changed with the update or if I did something stupid. | 13:02 |
| zorael | dmesg on the host machine upon attaching it: http://pastie.org/pastes/10256508/text | 13:03 |
| zorael | Any ideas? :c | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | how did you use to "mount the phone"? afaik sfos doesn't support usb storage, it does mtp | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | which i tried once, it works, but scp is far better | 13:05 |
| zorael | ...oh | 13:05 |
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| zorael | Culprit: missing mtp packages. Thanks :3 | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | (that was easy) | 13:07 |
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| tadzik | mtp is so bad :) | 13:11 |
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| tadzik | I usually go for sshfs, then it's almost like the good old mass storage | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, sync'ing files to a pc is something that nobody else does | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | so, you have itunes for ithings and [whatever] for android | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | but never a good old mass storage device | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | which is ok because it's a pain anyway | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | sshfs works | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | scp works too | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | and those who can't use that, well, take it to somebody who can and get charged some money or deal with mtp | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | the technology world is a terrible place, and hell is full of pc's running windows vista | 13:18 |
| kimmoli | ggabriel: :) agree with os of hell | 13:19 |
| tadzik | hmm, it wouldn't occur to me to get music on my phone in a different way than with a usb cable | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | scp? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:19 |
| tadzik | also, it's a pendrive you always have | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | rsync | 13:19 |
| tadzik | I use both with a usb cable :P | 13:20 |
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| RST38h | record it via audio in! | 13:25 |
| RST38h | And EHLO stskeeps | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 13:25 |
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| * RST38h got to pet jolla phone recently | 13:26 | |
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| Stskeeps | oh? | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: i scp via wifi, but it's good to have options | 13:27 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: really confusing ui, out of 4-6 people seeing it for the first time, none could figure it out | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough; sailfish 2.0 really sorts out a lot | 13:31 |
| RST38h | =) | 13:31 |
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| citylight2 | can I add another caller while talking to someone? | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 13:37 |
| citylight2 | so having a three-way call? | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | pulley menu iirc | 13:37 |
| citylight2 | I can only put the first on hold and call someone else | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | but your operator has to support that ofc | 13:38 |
| citylight2 | he does | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | oh yeah, it isn't supported | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/19661/feature-request-conference-call/?sort=votes&page=1 | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | vote :) | 13:41 |
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| ggabriel | there's a patch there too | 13:42 |
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| * plfiorini can't wait to hold the tablet in his hands | 14:25 | |
| plfiorini | and see sailfish 2 | 14:26 |
| Aciid | Jolla Tablet, shipping May 2015 | 14:27 |
| Aciid | get excited | 14:27 |
| plfiorini | not it's end of July | 14:29 |
| grzywacz | (trollface) | 14:32 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | indeed, we miss some info from Jolla about the tablet | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | just keep the suspense and boom one day it appears | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | sadly, that's not possible | 15:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I don't like this | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | transparency etc. would be nice | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not saying it is not enough, the dev roadmap is really nice | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (for example) | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | + blog posts | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | you can never be 100% transparent | 15:11 |
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| ggabriel | look at google, they copied the double tap to unlock already | 15:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | IMO, it is just lack of manpower in case of Jolla | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | ofc | 15:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | they don't have people to develop & write blog posts at the same time | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | and reporting sometimes is too overwhelming | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | yup yup | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | "devpr" | 15:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | though, for a company like Jolla it is really a plus | 15:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I really appreciated their efforts | 15:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (since the launch of the Jolla) | 15:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but for the tablet, we are a bit lost for ~1m | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | i'll say that in ~1 month's time, if i haven't got the tablet | 15:13 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | I'm thinking about dev program | 15:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I want to see photos of a truck with boxes inside | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | erm | 15:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and names written on those boxes | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | maybe they have contracts signed to not say/photograph anything | 15:15 |
| * SfietKonstantinW think about my N950 box <3 | 15:15 | |
| SfietKonstantinW | IIRC this happend for the "first ones" jolla phones | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | has it? | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | did they give dev versions? | 15:15 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | ~1m before yes | 15:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | like in the end of June | 15:16 |
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| parasemic | anyone wouldn't happen to have a jolla battery for sale? or just the phone for cheapish price? | 16:03 |
| parasemic | also, jolla has officially the worst customer service on the planet, god fucking damnit i wish their OS wasn't so superior and i could never have to use any of their products | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | i had a good experience with them | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | sadly, it doesn't look like they'll do a phone any time soon so i guess your wish has been granted | 16:06 |
| parasemic | i dunno, i got practically told to fuck off after waiting for a week to get a reply for a replacement battery | 16:07 |
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| ggabriel | they probably tried to find out if there was such a thing | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | and there isn't | 16:08 |
| parasemic | well, i concider "sorry, not possible. hope you notice batteries are available at some point and buy one" | 16:08 |
| parasemic | practically telling me to fuck off | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | well, not really | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | they don't make batteries | 16:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | parasemic: also, shipping batteries is something with huge constraints | 16:09 |
| SQUelcher | they outsourced the support to another company which sent me a phone with a glued in screw as replacement - hiding the ruined screw thread | 16:09 |
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| parasemic | yeah they do and they've sold them | 16:09 |
| parasemic | and they obviously have them for warranty replacements | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | that's subjective | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | but well | 16:09 |
| parasemic | and they also sold the fucking phone having "user replacable battery" | 16:09 |
| SQUelcher | are replacement batteries available in stores in finland? | 16:10 |
| parasemic | no | 16:10 |
| parasemic | i went to the official repair place and they have them but cant sell them | 16:10 |
| parasemic | literally worst customer service experience in my entire life | 16:11 |
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| parasemic | the site still says "User-replaceable battery" even if they are unable to provide one, even for a guy who ordered his in the first wave and did the same for the tablet | 16:11 |
| parasemic | im furious. | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | tried tmo in the buy/sell section? | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | maybe somebody wants to sell you the phone or battery | 16:13 |
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| parasemic | yeah ive checked, used phones run at 100e but i feel like a fool buying a phone just to salvage the battery out of it and try to find someone to buy the useless phone from me | 16:14 |
| NwS | Link for the buy/sell section please? | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | talk.maemo.org and just search for it | 16:14 |
| chem|st | NwS: talk.maemo.org | 16:14 |
| NwS | tyvm chem|st | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: well, ok, feeling like a fool is subjective. i'll have to spend another 250e eventually to get a new phone due to broken screen. there isn't spares available because the phone isn't too popular | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | blame google for selling cheap cr*p | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | and everybody for buying it | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | i won't feel like a fool though, because the jolla works better than any android out there in general | 16:16 |
| parasemic | true enough. that's the only reason why i didnt go throw the jolla into the ocean and get a 1+1 | 16:17 |
| parasemic | i just dislike android too much | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | also, throwing electronics to the ocean isn't a very good thing to do ;) | 16:17 |
| NwS | Just wondering, people who dislike android dislike g00gl3 too? :P | 16:17 |
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| parasemic | nah, google is fine | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | no, just me | 16:17 |
| parasemic | capitalism on the other hand | 16:17 |
| NwS | I dislike both so I'm just wondering lol | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | ok, 2 of us | 16:18 |
| parasemic | don't hate the player, hate the game | 16:18 |
| NwS | I actually dislike/hate google and thats why I don't/can't like android.. | 16:18 |
| NwS | If that makes any sense | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | android wasn't made by google in the first place | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | they just added ads to it | 16:18 |
| NwS | True, but since they own it now :P | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | so they bought something bad, made it worse | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | and now everybody has it because google | 16:19 |
| NwS | If they didn't I would probably had an android phone atm | 16:19 |
| parasemic | cyanogen mod? | 16:19 |
| NwS | Although it might have failed if they didn't buy it | 16:19 |
| NwS | parasemic, not good enough for me atm at least | 16:20 |
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| parasemic | goddamn lazy ass dev whoever is making the 1+1 port of SFOS | 16:21 |
| parasemic | id just get that and put sailfish on it, but i do need call function | 16:21 |
| locusf | wot | 16:21 |
| locusf | lazy | 16:21 |
| locusf | come on the dude has a day job | 16:21 |
| parasemic | im joking | 16:21 |
| locusf | if you wanted you could have a quadcore phone self built with rpi2 | 16:22 |
| locusf | with sfos | 16:22 |
| parasemic | care to elaborate? | 16:22 |
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| ggabriel | anything is possible, it just takes time | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | you could adapt sfos to the iphone 6 too | 16:23 |
| locusf | https://sailpi.wordpress.com/ | 16:23 |
| locusf | https://sailpi.wordpress.com/articles/raspberry-pi-2-with-sailfish-os-diy-smartphone-part-1/ | 16:23 |
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| locusf | ggabriel: if you break the bootloader lock and manage to run a linux kernel on it, sure | 16:25 |
| parasemic | if im being honest, im open to many solutions but building my own phone isn't exaclty what im looking for.. :D | 16:25 |
| locusf | its ok :) | 16:25 |
| NwS | I'd be interested in a "higher end" jolla phone | 16:26 |
| parasemic | anyone know what 3rd party phone has the best SFOS install at the moment? | 16:26 |
| locusf | higher end means lollipop adaptation now | 16:26 |
| NwS | I'd like to get a Jolla phone after August | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | maybe nexus 4? | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | that's the only alpha/beta port that has been announced at least | 16:26 |
| locusf | parasemic: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 16:26 |
| grzywacz | So, any idea if Jolla is actually going to survive? Or is it going to be a flop once it burns all its funding? | 16:27 |
| parasemic | locusf: ty | 16:27 |
| locusf | n4, n5, gnexus, xperia pro | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | grzywacz: i reckon it's got better chances than apple | 16:27 |
| locusf | basically | 16:27 |
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| grzywacz | ggabriel, hard to imagine, given my current understanding ;) | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | well, steve jobs passed away | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | we saw apple without steve jobs in the past | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | and if anything they are stagnated atm | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | people eventually will get tired and a lot of money runs out quickly | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | ask nokia otherwise | 16:28 |
| grzywacz | They could just go on and on on the brand and their bank account :P | 16:28 |
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| grzywacz | I'm just kinda afraid this beautiful thing is not going to last despite all the support. | 16:29 |
| grzywacz | And that battery story just reinforces this scenario in my mind. | 16:30 |
| parasemic | damnit, nexus 5 seems hard to find | 16:31 |
| NwS | parasemic, new? | 16:31 |
| parasemic | yeah | 16:32 |
| NwS | LG Google Nexus 5 D821 (32GB) - 369eu | 16:32 |
| parasemic | i do like my things new, if possible | 16:32 |
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| locusf | no android software runtime | 16:34 |
| locusf | btw | 16:34 |
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| NwS | parasemic, check mobileshop.eu | 16:34 |
| parasemic | thx NwS | 16:36 |
| locusf | ah verkkokauppa doesn't sell n5 anymore :/ | 16:36 |
| parasemic | aye, seems like the production has stopped | 16:36 |
| parasemic | price is dropping at a high rate too | 16:36 |
| parasemic | on a sidenote, is there a way to filter ebay sellers by country or region? ive never found such | 16:37 |
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| NwS | left menu, Item location | 16:38 |
| NwS | Haven't used eBay for over 5 years but it should do the trick :P | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ooi, how do you guys feel about flattr? | 16:57 |
| tadzik | it kind of motivated me to push my crappy apps to harbour and see what happens :D | 16:57 |
| tadzik | I didn't setup an account to actually flattr some people though | 16:58 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: instructions could be better, three flattrs warms my house during winter | 17:00 |
| leinir | Big fan of flattr, the entire concept appeals to me :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: nod | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't see the functionality myself, but it's within store app only? | 17:01 |
| kimmoli | the webpage link is "the thing" | 17:01 |
| kimmoli | store app only? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | as in you'd need to press there to flattr the app | 17:02 |
| kimmoli | yes, in store. | 17:04 |
| kimmoli | redirects just to webpage | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | idly wondering if it could be part of OS somehow | 17:04 |
| kimmoli | flattr account on phone | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | such as storing locally your access pattterns of apps and suggesting if you might want to flattr | 17:07 |
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| kimmoli | you have used this app Daily, time.to Flatter? | 17:17 |
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| coderus | Flattr this app now to continue using :D | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: and a sad kitten | 17:23 |
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| chem|st | "integrated"? seems as useful as an app to show a single webpage... | 20:37 |
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| lpotter | Stskeeps: 10% seems a bit steep for 'donation' | 21:34 |
| lpotter | better than nothing though | 21:35 |
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