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| onla | is jolla as open as n900 and neo900 in terms of anything? | 08:25 |
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| onla | I can't google info on how to install another OS on jolla phone. Also no one has answered a form post forum post from 2 months ago when someone asks about reinstallation of sailfish | 08:26 |
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| Helle | onla: it's not quite as open | 08:28 |
| ln- | installing another OS on jolla phone would be quite pointless, as the hardware isn't particularly high-end or inexpensive. | 08:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and installing another OS would require adaptation for the non-OSS drivers | 08:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (thanks qualcomm) | 08:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | for example, installing open-freemantle would be tricky | 08:29 |
| entil | wasn't the hardware originally an android phone? | 08:29 |
| entil | no idea why anyone would want to but maybe android would work :P | 08:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it is based on an Android phone | 08:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | entil: not even sure | 08:30 |
| entil | my arrogant, unwanted opinion is that if someone has time to play around with such a futile effort maybe they could direct their energy into something else :D | 08:30 |
| entil | other-half stuff would never work.. I guess.. | 08:31 |
| entil | at least not as an other half, maybe the nfc could be used for something else.. but why.. | 08:31 |
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| onla | ok | 08:33 |
| onla | I wonder how it is different from n900 in that openness aspect | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | it's less open than neo900 but similarly or more open than n900 I think. | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | but would need to do work to really compare | 08:36 |
| entil | I wonder why fairphone doesn't run sailfish | 08:36 |
| onla | ah | 08:36 |
| entil | probably because they haven't got hardware compatibility, but why don't they ;P | 08:37 |
| Helle | entil: because fairphone isn't fair and is run by genuine grade A idiots ? | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 08:37 |
| Helle | fairphone is half run by idealists with no buisness sense and half run by people making a money grab over feelgoods | 08:37 |
| entil | Helle: dunno about any of that :P | 08:37 |
| entil | fair trade has been exposed for being feel-good money grabbing in the sense that the producers don't really get that much more than non-fair-trade farmers, so I wouldn't be surprised at that | 08:38 |
| entil | not having a business sense simply means going out of business | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | Helle: source? | 08:38 |
| Helle | entil: the mix of non-ethically produced goods in cellphones with final assembly in a decent factory (even in China) is so low, it's ff'ing around in the margin to begin with | 08:38 |
| Helle | Nicd-: I'll see if I can dig up some, most of it actually having met people in the company | 08:39 |
| Helle | Nicd-: so I am the biased source | 08:39 |
| Helle | entil: like "conflict minerals" consist of less then 5% of the worldwide production of it anyway.... | 08:39 |
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| entil | mmh | 08:41 |
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| entil | haven't heard "conflict minerals" before, maybe I should read their site | 08:42 |
| entil | reminds me of "blood diamonds" tho | 08:42 |
| Helle | entil: it's similar and actually related | 08:42 |
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| Helle | but the basic thing is, Africa sells about 10-15% of the minerals that we are talking about anyway, most of the production is from China and Brazil | 08:43 |
| entil | and of those 10-15% some lesser percent actually qualifies for conflict minerals? | 08:44 |
| Helle | yep | 08:44 |
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| Helle | and they are mixed in at points of the supply chain where there is very little provenance, so the way you get conflict free minerals is to just not buy African ones at all | 08:45 |
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| Helle | But ofcourse it sounds good for marketing reasons to claim that blood clings to phones | 08:46 |
| Helle | btw, the only mineral we are talking about is tantalum, used in high frequency capacitors | 08:46 |
| Helle | all other minerals used in a phone aren't sourced on the international open market at all | 08:46 |
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| entil | "blood clings to phones" geez | 08:49 |
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| entil | africa is huge, it's hard to imagine there wouldn't be any ethical production there | 08:50 |
| * Stskeeps believes that your brain clings to your phones.. | 08:50 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:50 |
| entil | unless you play the leopold ii / belgian congo card and say that there is nothing but blood in african production | 08:50 |
| Helle | entil: Kenia has ethical production for example, but is also the place most unethical stuff got mixed in | 08:50 |
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| Helle | and yes, the Congo is the place where most conflict mining happens for it | 08:50 |
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| entil | my take on this all is that it was wrong to institute slavery and mess with other cultures, but after the fact there are examples or actual prosperity, but people only remember leopold ii | 08:51 |
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| entil | but I'm not a historian so maybe I'm completely wrong | 08:51 |
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| adherry | So much excess flooding here | 09:08 |
| Nicd- | ? | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | ohhh quitting | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | have those hidden by default in freenode. makes it readable | 09:09 |
| entil | +1 | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | weechat's smart filter is seriously awesome for that | 09:09 |
| adherry | have to look how i can filter that with colloqoy | 09:10 |
| entil | anyone using irssi can just /ignore those, no filtering | 09:11 |
| adherry | had to think of x-chat a week ago | 09:11 |
| adherry | my 2 year old crash bug was reopened | 09:11 |
| Mikaela | XChat is not developed anymore and has multiple issues like missing SASL support and not supporting TLS (which means you cannot connect to most of networks and bouncers). You can use your current config with HexChat (instructions: http://goo.gl/qqnBsh). HexChat's homepage: http://goo.gl/HIQ6V0 | 09:11 |
| entil | but I think I'd like filters, because irssi doesn't log the quits and such that are ignored | 09:11 |
| adherry | there is xchat-aqua which seems to be still in development | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | yes, it's nice that you can log them and also toggle the filter on/off (it will show/hide them instantly) | 09:12 |
| Mikaela | adherry: I don't think it is or at least I think it didn't have TLS support some time ago as someone asked on #znc why it was unable to connect with SSL | 09:13 |
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| adherry | Well, Colloquy looks much better than xcode anyways | 09:16 |
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| ilpianista | I don't get why my app has status "APPROVED", but in truth is already available in the jolla store o.O | 10:44 |
| ln- | what status would you expect it to have? | 10:44 |
| ilpianista | PUBLISHED | 10:44 |
| adherry | DENIED?^^ | 10:45 |
| ilpianista | (as the others have) | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 10:47 |
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| coderus | ilpianista: what? there are only three statuses: submitted, approved and rejected | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | there's also published | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | both my apps are in that status | 10:51 |
| ilpianista | and there's also QA | 10:51 |
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| coderus | inside notifications it have approved status, inside app list it says published. | 10:53 |
| ilpianista | nope. | 10:53 |
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| Armadillo | at least there's also locked in QA ;) | 11:07 |
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| Armadillo | not all status levels are shown in the notifications | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | g/ sage | 11:09 |
| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 11:11 |
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| Venemo | hm | 11:20 |
| Venemo | why isn't there nslookup on the jolla? | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's deprecated | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | or rather, part of bind | 11:20 |
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| Venemo | what can I use instead? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | host? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | i personally use ping | 11:28 |
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| fennekki | pong | 11:35 |
| Venemo | host: command not found | 11:37 |
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| Mikaela | host wasn't on Jolla last time I checked and in openrepos there is only dig | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | no bind tools bundled with jolla i'm afraid | 12:18 |
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| locusf | tigeli_ had a PR for mer that includes that package | 12:25 |
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| tadzik | fennekki++ # I now wonder if you're actually a bot | 12:33 |
| fennekki | :o | 12:33 |
| fennekki | um? | 12:33 |
| fennekki | what makes you think that | 12:33 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps | i personally use ping | 12:36 |
| tadzik | fennekki | pong | 12:36 |
| tadzik | like an automated response :) | 12:37 |
| merlin1991 | Hm i prefer dig | 12:39 |
| Mikaela | ping won't tell you all addresses | 12:41 |
| Mikaela | or even record types | 12:41 |
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| tadzik | heh, no more tohkbd2's | 15:12 |
| tadzik | it seems like every time someone does a tohkbd they figure they don't want to do it ever again :) | 15:13 |
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| phlixi | i hit "send" to send an SMS, then reboot... | 15:16 |
| phlixi | ...rebooted, go to contact, send sms, the sms is listed with "sending" (usually "delivered") | 15:17 |
| phlixi | and instant reboot -.- | 15:17 |
| phlixi | and again (boot, go to sms, its still "sending" and reboot")... | 15:17 |
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| phlixi | after that i left it off, and half an hour later i booted... its still "sending", but does not reboot anymore... | 15:18 |
| phlixi | (of course the sms was not send) | 15:18 |
| phlixi | this reboot stuff is going from bad to worse... | 15:27 |
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| onla | guess this would fit the jolla phone? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cool-Multi-Purpose-Silicon-Soft-Grip-Exclusive-Universal-Bumper-Phone-Case-For-Jolla-Jolla-Free-Gift/32249367023.html | 16:12 |
| tadzik | oo | 16:12 |
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| tadzik | http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cool-Multi-Purpose-Silicon-Soft-Grip-Exclusive-Universal-Bumper-Phone-Case-For-Jolla-Jolla-Free-Gift/32249367023.html | 16:13 |
| onla | okay they have comments there too | 16:13 |
| tadzik | doesn't seem like | 16:13 |
| onla | :/ | 16:14 |
| tadzik | your best chance is the bumperTOH from funkyotherhalf | 16:15 |
| tadzik | a bit pricey though | 16:15 |
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| onla | they have another product there which says 'new' instead of 'cool' in the title, but with no comments and about the same price. So there is a chance they have looked ath the comments of that earlier one and made adjustments? | 16:17 |
| tadzik | does it also have a picture of the iphone?:) | 16:17 |
| onla | heh yes | 16:18 |
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| coderus | this is just a rubber band | 16:44 |
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| inte | hello | 17:18 |
| inte | i have, again, sth. new | 17:19 |
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| inte | some notification messages can't br deleted from the notification screen | 17:20 |
| inte | they just remain sticky while newer can be deleted as usual | 17:20 |
| inte | any idea, anyone? | 17:20 |
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| raa700 | have you tried turning it off and on again? | 17:24 |
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| inte | yes, sure | 17:29 |
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| inte | they just remain sticky:( | 17:29 |
| jaacoppi | any specific apps or just random? | 17:31 |
| inte | rather random | 17:33 |
| inte | most are from tje pass viewer app | 17:34 |
| inte | plane tickets | 17:34 |
| inte | but also patchmanager | 17:34 |
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| spidermario | since the last update, wi-fi tethering stops working after a few hoursng | 22:57 |
| spidermario | hours* | 22:57 |
| spidermario | anyone having the same issue? | 22:57 |
| spidermario | the phone must be rebooted when it happens | 22:57 |
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| phlixi | spider-mario: i had this month ago, stopped when i no longer used bluetooth at the same time | 23:17 |
| phlixi | month's | 23:17 |
| phlixi | ....but might be someting different of course :-) | 23:17 |
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