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| trigpoint | The weather app placename search needs some improvement | 06:53 |
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| mondial | gm | 07:25 |
| * mondial back after factory reset... | 07:26 | |
| Stskeeps | nod | 07:26 |
| mondial | i recoverd most of my data | 07:26 |
| mondial | just wiped my android storage volume without having that backed up... | 07:27 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | morn | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | morn SfietKonstantinW | 07:57 |
| birdzhang | morn | 08:02 |
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| roboro | hello SfietKonstantinW | 08:28 |
| roboro | SfietKonstantinW: I want to deprecate 'Better CallLog' from patchmanager... since this is now handled in the context menu | 08:29 |
| roboro | SfietKonstantinW: should I just remove the patch from the git repo... or is there a better way to deprecate something? | 08:29 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: iHolder :) | 08:29 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | roboro: send a pulll request to remove itfrom github | 08:35 |
| roboro | SfietKonstantinW: great... I'll do that a bit later | 08:36 |
| roboro | thanks | 08:36 |
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| tadzik | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.versobit.weatherdoge wow, we need this | 09:50 |
| tadzik | I volunteer | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | lol | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | useless but i like | 09:51 |
| tadzik | it's better than my DogeNow | 09:51 |
| birdzhang | lol | 09:51 |
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| rubdos | tadzik, next jolla phone is the DogePhön? | 10:12 |
| rubdos | or DogePhown. whatever | 10:13 |
| rubdos | sms tone is "wow. such message." | 10:13 |
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| tadzik | rubdos: I now want DogeHalf | 10:17 |
| rubdos | tadzik, roger that. I'll make you one :p | 10:17 |
| rubdos | With an ambience, ofc | 10:17 |
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| tadzik | thank you :) | 10:30 |
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| Venemo_j | hm! | 10:40 |
| Venemo_j | 1.1.6 is the best release so far | 10:40 |
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| yanoo | help | 10:47 |
| yanoo | I had an issue with android apps - they just crashed when tried to startup | 10:47 |
| yanoo | so I found this https://together.jolla.com/question/13805/android-support-not-working-apps-not-loading/#post-id-14896 | 10:47 |
| yanoo | and tried to remove /opt/alien as suggested | 10:48 |
| yanoo | after that I have nothing running on my phone and probably every data gone | 10:48 |
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| kimmoli | seems those instruction were done for sailfish 1.0.25, over 1.5 year ago | 11:06 |
| kimmoli | 1.0.2.5 | 11:06 |
| Venemo_j | yanoo: you can use the recovery menu to restore your os, but there is little chance of getting your data back | 11:07 |
| yanoo | I'm now in recovery mode | 11:07 |
| yanoo | no data anywhere ;( | 11:07 |
| yanoo | I want to cry ;( | 11:07 |
| Venemo_j | yeah | 11:08 |
| Venemo_j | happened to me once | 11:08 |
| Venemo_j | lesson learned: always backup your data | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | removing /opt/alien is a very bad idea since it includes your /home in a symlink. | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | / bind mount | 11:09 |
| Venemo_j | although I do not understand how deleting a single folder could erase everything | 11:09 |
| Venemo_j | well, deleting it should only delete the symlink IMO | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but this is a bind mount | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | a bit stronger | 11:10 |
| anYc | some admin should add a big warning and not just an additional comment | 11:10 |
| Venemo_j | ah. | 11:10 |
| Venemo_j | indeed. | 11:10 |
| Venemo_j | and there should be a quick way to properly cleanup the android shit | 11:11 |
| Venemo_j | without users needing to fiddle with the terminal | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | think that's coming/is there | 11:12 |
| Venemo_j | where? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | something about android settings | 11:13 |
| Venemo_j | well, not sure | 11:14 |
| Venemo_j | after that lesson, I decided not to mess around with it anymore | 11:14 |
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| Venemo_j | I don't even have it installed now | 11:14 |
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| llg179_ | hi | 11:24 |
| llg179_ | can someone explain the difference between the two following configurations? | 11:25 |
| llg179_ | 1) /home/nemo/.local/share is moved to sdcard and accessible with link (ln -s) | 11:25 |
| llg179_ | 2) /home/nemo/.local/share is the "default" without link | 11:26 |
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| llg179_ | in 1st case call history cannot load | 11:26 |
| llg179_ | I moved /home/nemo/.local/share to sdcard then rebooted the phone then call history could not load. Then moved back to its original place then reboot then worked. Why is that? | 11:28 |
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| llg179_ | or should it be mounted? | 11:30 |
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| llg179_ | yanoo: is there a brtfs undelete utility? | 11:52 |
| llg179_ | *btrfs | 11:53 |
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| llg179_ | yanoo: https://together.jolla.com/question/75050/restore-deleted-files/ | 11:56 |
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| yanoo | llg179_: thx | 12:36 |
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| coderus | llg179_: privileges and ownership are correct? | 13:48 |
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| jarkko_ | tried to format an SD card on my Jolla according to TJC wiki http://bit.ly/1GVYBRl with no success. Terminal output in http://pastebin.com/G6nhZvhV . Ideas? | 14:40 |
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| ggabriel | jarkko_: so, for ext4 you could have chmod'd in /media/[etc] after mounting | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | and for btrfs, well, i dunno, is it ok to mkfs.btrfs to the device instead of the partition?! | 14:43 |
| jarkko_ | ggabriel: goes beyond my linux skills, thought I could trust a tjc wiki :) | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | ok, i don't know too much about btrfs, clearly | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | i'd have formatted the partition, but whatever | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | ext4 should work by skipping the chmod step | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | that's how i formatted mine anyway | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | and i really really can't be asked to reformat to btrfs just to try, i'll wait for the tablet to play with that | 14:46 |
| jarkko_ | thanks. I reformatted to ext4, chmod'd to /media/sdcard and mounted. | 14:48 |
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| ggabriel | what do you know, btrfs can format devices | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | i like :P | 14:49 |
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| skvark | btw how's the tablet loan program going, have the invitations been sent yet? | 15:54 |
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| llg179_ | coderus: yes privileges and ownership are correct. Relocation happened with mv command. After move back it worked again. | 16:26 |
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| llg179_ | maybe the sdcard is mounted after the start of voicecall-ui | 16:42 |
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| coderus | llg179_: its not voicecallui, its commhistory | 17:01 |
| llg179_ | I lost track anyway | 17:03 |
| llg179_ | Is there a good guide which explains these things? | 17:04 |
| llg179_ | start sequence of applications | 17:04 |
| llg179_ | by the way /usr/bin/voicecall-ui -prestart process /proc/id/fd shows that voicecall-ui uses commhistory.db as well | 17:06 |
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| narchie | jolla tablet, shipping may 2015 | 17:25 |
| Aciid | by my calculations it's june now | 17:26 |
| Aciid | <- short math | 17:26 |
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| kimmoli | it is juhannus now | 17:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | it'll be shipped when its done | 17:45 |
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| narchie | thanks! | 17:47 |
| narchie | finally :) | 17:48 |
| narchie | jolla tablet, shipping may 2015 | 17:48 |
| Lieke | the date has been moved to end of july two months ago | 17:48 |
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| narchie | surely it will ship may 2015! | 17:50 |
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| Aciid | 1 change of date = 1 cancel , 1 delivery = 1 like | 17:50 |
| narchie | Aciid: you can't you already funded it :) | 17:50 |
| narchie | but only if you live in china | 17:51 |
| narchie | then you are forced for a refun | 17:51 |
| narchie | d | 17:51 |
| narchie | made in china - not available in china | 17:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think they declined on the "give us your entire source code" certification | 17:52 |
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| Venemo_j | what the f*** | 18:15 |
| Venemo_j | my jolla just screwed me up in public | 18:15 |
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| Venemo_j | HTML5 video / audio should be paused when I plug out my earphones | 18:16 |
| rubdos | Just pasting this here: https://twitter.com/rubdos/status/611960901307138048 | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | audio from native apps is | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure about android | 18:17 |
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| Venemo_j | browser is a native app | 18:18 |
| Venemo_j | isn't paused when I plug out | 18:18 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm, browser is a bit different | 18:18 |
| Venemo_j | just sayin | 18:19 |
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| tadzik | Venemo_j: heh, that's softcore | 18:20 |
| tadzik | Venemo_j: it took me 3 hours to realize I've been playing Steel Panther for my entirre train, not just my headphones | 18:20 |
| r0kk3rz | heh, death to all butt metal indeed | 18:20 |
| tadzik | Venemo_j: and apparently that's an issue everywhere, I've heard similar stories from iphone users etc | 18:21 |
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| Venemo_j | tadzik: srsly? I thought it only plays on the headphones | 18:22 |
| Venemo_j | is this reported on tjc? | 18:22 |
| r0kk3rz | or "the shocker", thats a steel panther song isnt it? | 18:23 |
| Venemo_j | I recall reporting it ~1 year ago but not to tjc | 18:23 |
| tadzik | Venemo_j: it only happened once | 18:23 |
| Venemo_j | nazanin: ^^ | 18:23 |
| tadzik | a bug, bugs happen | 18:23 |
| r0kk3rz | well, is there a global (stop playing things now) api for the web? | 18:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | that works for all the various web player things? | 18:23 |
| tadzik | good question | 18:23 |
| r0kk3rz | because without that, yeah good luck | 18:24 |
| tadzik | mine was just a stock media player | 18:24 |
| Venemo_ | fu**, it disconnected me | 18:24 |
| tadzik | or possibly daedalus | 18:24 |
| Venemo_ | well, the device should not embarass its owner | 18:24 |
| tadzik | :) | 18:24 |
| narchie | jolla tablet shipping date embarasses me every day | 18:25 |
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| Aciid | my staff asks me about it everyday, they take me as an incompitent business sense since I cannot give them a proper answer | 18:25 |
| Aciid | help | 18:26 |
| Venemo_ | meh. | 18:26 |
| Venemo_ | and the networking stack is still horseshit | 18:26 |
| Aciid | you ment fishshit? | 18:26 |
| narchie | get it? | 18:27 |
| narchie | like | 18:27 |
| narchie | sail fish | 18:27 |
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| tadzik | so much ma | 18:27 |
| tadzik | mad* | 18:27 |
| Venemo_ | lol | 18:27 |
| narchie | jolla tablet, shipping may 2015 | 18:27 |
| Venemo_ | LoooL | 18:27 |
| Venemo_ | Aciid: best sailfish joke ever | 18:27 |
| r0kk3rz | the device has no concept of embarrassment | 18:27 |
| r0kk3rz | it just does what its told to | 18:27 |
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| Venemo_ | narchie: you see, it *may* (or may not) ship | 18:28 |
| narchie | oh | 18:28 |
| narchie | now I get it | 18:28 |
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| Venemo_ | :P | 18:28 |
| narchie | maybe we will have email search by then | 18:28 |
| narchie | oh but wait | 18:28 |
| Aciid | maybe we should try communicating with it through electrocommunication | 18:28 |
| Aciid | it's a fish after all | 18:28 |
| Venemo_ | narchie: we already have email search | 18:29 |
| Venemo_ | natunen: in 1.1.6 | 18:29 |
| Venemo_ | sorry | 18:29 |
| Venemo_ | narchie | 18:29 |
| narchie | ;) | 18:29 |
| tadzik | hey, I'm biased as a non-founder, but I think you'll be happier with something that works nicely :) | 18:29 |
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| tadzik | a product is delayed once, but shitty forever | 18:29 |
| rubdos | I'll just put this here https://twitter.com/rubdos/status/611960901307138048/photo/1 :) | 18:29 |
| Venemo_j | what do you mean tadzik? | 18:29 |
| tadzik | I mean: better to wait a bit than end up with substandard thing | 18:30 |
| tadzik | I'd rather get my jolla later but without shitty battery contacts | 18:30 |
| Venemo_j | heh | 18:30 |
| narchie | oh yeah | 18:30 |
| Venemo_j | I'm one of the first ones | 18:30 |
| Venemo_j | but | 18:30 |
| Venemo_j | never had any issue with that thing | 18:30 |
| narchie | you're like | 18:31 |
| Venemo_j | except for the screen burn-in | 18:31 |
| narchie | 1% of the user base | 18:31 |
| Venemo_j | Yeah, I'm awesome! | 18:31 |
| Venemo_j | :) | 18:31 |
| rubdos | Venemo_j, is that the yellowish burn in the corner(s) ? | 18:31 |
| rubdos | because I have that too. Don't notice it a lot, but it's there. | 18:31 |
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| tadzik | well, I like being an early adopter nonetheless :) | 18:33 |
| tadzik | and spending a few months on android *shudder* I don't feel like I lost much | 18:33 |
| Venemo_j | rubdos: yepp, that. | 18:34 |
| Venemo_j | tadzik: indeed | 18:34 |
| rubdos | Venemo_j, can they do something about that, or is it just "wait for Jolla 2"? | 18:34 |
| Venemo_j | rubdos: they can fix it in warranty | 18:35 |
| rubdos | problem is that I'd have to miss my Jolla for some time :'( | 18:35 |
| rubdos | Can't really live without it anymore | 18:35 |
| Venemo_j | yeah | 18:36 |
| Venemo_j | also, the networking stack should be finally fixed | 18:36 |
| rubdos | What's wrong with the networking? | 18:37 |
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| Venemo_j | I'm on a train | 18:38 |
| Venemo_j | it switches between 4G and 2G | 18:38 |
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| rubdos | shouldn't it? Isn't that merely a problem of your ISP? :p | 18:39 |
| Venemo_j | sometimes simply drops me off from IRC at such a switch | 18:39 |
| Venemo_j | sometimes it loses mobile data after moving around a poorly covered area | 18:39 |
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| Venemo_j | (only reboot fixes it) | 18:39 |
| r0kk3rz | you can reboot the whole networking stack without a os reboot | 18:40 |
| kimmoli | i haven't had those issues for ages | 18:40 |
| Venemo_j | and basically things are extremely slow on 2G (slower than they should be) | 18:40 |
| llg179_ | rubdos: Does the other half qi charger work? | 18:40 |
| Venemo_j | kimmoli: I still have 'em :( | 18:40 |
| kimmoli | rubdos: yeah, nice render | 18:40 |
| rubdos | mmm... Well, we don't have great 4G access on a long railroad atm, so can't test it :( | 18:40 |
| Venemo_j | r0kk3rz: how? | 18:40 |
| rubdos | Venemo_j, indeed, 2G is too slow on Jolla, is pretty impossible. | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish utillities | 18:41 |
| Venemo_j | rubdos: same with 3G | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | its in the store | 18:41 |
| kimmoli | Venemo_j: i had some, but it was my operator (according to their tweet later) | 18:41 |
| Venemo_j | ah | 18:41 |
| rubdos | llg179_, not yet, this is a computer render. I already have the chips and components, the boards and stencil are on their way. | 18:41 |
| Venemo_j | actually, does jolla even support EDGE? | 18:41 |
| rubdos | llg179_, Still have to find the shielding material somewhere. | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | rubdos: thin ferrite sheets with adheseive? | 18:42 |
| rubdos | llg179_, around the 7th, I should have everything I need to test things out | 18:42 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, yes, those guys! | 18:42 |
| rubdos | do you know where to get them? Without doubling the price of my TOH? :( | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | i have some | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | :) | 18:42 |
| rubdos | haha :) | 18:42 |
| rubdos | How many for how much? :D | 18:43 |
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| kimmoli | what is the frequency? | 18:43 |
| Venemo_j | :) | 18:43 |
| Venemo_j | kimmoli: you're awesome | 18:43 |
| rubdos | 100 to 200 kHz | 18:43 |
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| kimmoli | iirc it is these http://arc-tech.com/wave-x/ | 18:44 |
| kimmoli | typically used to attach NFC sticker to metal | 18:45 |
| rubdos | Looks great kimmoli, I'll compare a bit with the Qi datasheet. I tried contacting fair-rite a week ago, but no reply yet | 18:47 |
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| rubdos | oh god, inches --" | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | quick, think like a retard, i mean an american | 18:48 |
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| rubdos | r0kk3rz, I had difficulties converting 0.01 in to mm... I used wolfram alpha, apparently it's 254 micron. | 18:50 |
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| rubdos | I was like, "0.0254 meters? Like 25 mm? Not possible!" | 18:51 |
| rubdos | I converted to cm, not to m... :( | 18:51 |
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| Venemo_j | :P | 18:51 |
| Venemo_j | anyway, I'm leaving. not fun to IRC on 2G | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | a friend of mine likes working in 'thou' at that scale | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | as in 'thousanths of an inch' | 18:52 |
| kimmoli | mils | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | but hes used to working on american engines.... | 18:53 |
| kimmoli | mils and oz in pcb-design | 18:54 |
| rubdos | mils indeed | 18:56 |
| rubdos | "Engineer’s Survival Kit" by arc-tech | 18:56 |
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| rubdos | lovely :p | 18:56 |
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| kimmoli | that i have | 18:57 |
| kimmoli | just noticed comment in TJC https://together.jolla.com/question/6915/hardware-official-wireless-charging-other-halfs/?comment=96495#comment-96495 | 18:58 |
| r0kk3rz | is that like free samples? i dont see a price anywhere | 18:59 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, yes, I noticed that too, wanted to ask you about it after I submitted the form at Arc ;p | 19:01 |
| rubdos | r0kk3rz, I think so | 19:01 |
| rubdos | contacting them, if you want to know, contact me later this week, I'll tell you whether they sent an answer | 19:02 |
| kimmoli | basically it is just merging two designs | 19:02 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, it is. Would you like to participate? | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure if i have a use for any of it yet | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | but i like free stuff | 19:03 |
| rubdos | lol | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | got a free TI board that i still need to find a use for lol | 19:04 |
| kimmoli | Linear (LTC) is nice, their eval board cost from USD 50 to 150 typically, but if you contact representative you get them free usually | 19:05 |
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| rubdos | kimmoli, I got to go now. If you're interested in cooperating, please contact me. I'll be here tomorrow too. | 19:06 |
| rubdos | bye :) | 19:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | sureely kimmo has enough of his own neglected projects | 19:09 |
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| kimmoli | it is just queuing and priritizing | 19:14 |
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| llg179_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/95709/help-request-call-history-never-ends-loading/?answer=96673#post-id-96673 | 19:26 |
| llg179_ | I could confirm that mount happened later than the application started | 19:26 |
| llg179_ | how to change order? | 19:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | find the systemd unit that starts it? | 19:42 |
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| llg179_ | thanks, I had read systemd now I'm reading dbus tutorial | 20:01 |
| llg179_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/73696/sd-card-mount-slow-with-11127-so-android-has-problems/ | 20:02 |
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| llg179_ | vbarrielle wrote: I've got the same issue, and after some investigation it looks like the script taking care of mounting the sdcard (/usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh) is waiting for "org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Status.GetStatus" and "org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.GetStatus" to be Idle. I'm not sure what these daemons are doing, but they are launched after the user session is launched, and the sdcard won't mount until their job is done. | 20:03 |
| llg179_ | is it a security feature to wait mount of sdcard until apps are started? | 20:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | llg179_: that might be so tracker doesnt index the sdcard | 20:12 |
| r0kk3rz | at least not initially | 20:12 |
| llg179_ | hmm... might be | 20:13 |
| r0kk3rz | only reason i can think of why it waits for those particular things to finish | 20:14 |
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| NwS | Heya guys, a quick question. The only available jolla phone is the one through jolla shop? | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | so far yes | 20:37 |
| NwS | ty Yaniel | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | ports of SailfishOS to some popular android phones are in progress though, ask on #sailfishos-porters for more info | 20:39 |
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| NwS | I'm thinking of getting a new mobile on Sept and since I hate Android I was thinking of Jolla | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | why do you hate android? | 20:42 |
| M4rtinK | so just go for it :) | 20:42 |
| llg179_ | I decided to buy Jolla when I could not ssh to an android device without a non free program | 20:42 |
| NwS | r0kk3rz, anything with g00gl3 on it :) | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | too much googles, fair enough, no googles here | 20:42 |
| NwS | I wanted to get the tablet first but I can't see any buy option anywhere -.-" | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | you need to wait a month or so | 20:43 |
| locusf | hmm techically even jolla is an android phone | 20:43 |
| NwS | Oh just a month? Cool then | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | then you can buy tablet | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe a bit more | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | but a month is about when the kickstarter tablets are shipping | 20:43 |
| NwS | If it comes out before Sept I'll grab one for sure | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | should do anyway | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | if not there will be many angry kickstarters | 20:44 |
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| Sebsebsebb | Hi | 21:47 |
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| louisdk | Hi | 23:45 |
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