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| truls | sup | 01:12 |
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| HtheB | nm | 01:15 |
| HtheB | you | 01:15 |
| truls | nm. | 01:15 |
| truls | bulmers | 01:15 |
| HtheB | steve ballmer? | 01:15 |
| HtheB | stephen elop!? | 01:15 |
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| * Stskeeps idly looks at http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/06/19/rebasing-ubuntu-on-android/ | 05:36 | |
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| messerting | Hi. I'd like to make my Jolla automatically turn off at night, say 23:00, and automatically turn on at 07:00. Can this be done with cron and acpi wake? | 07:35 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | just create an rtc event and shutdown the phone at 23:00 | 07:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/commits/master look at this | 07:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i didn't rembember wich component set rtc events | 07:39 |
| messerting | dr_gogeta86: thanks | 07:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ask spiiroin, | 07:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | messerting, easy thing first did you know jolla wakeup allarm works while turned off ? | 07:42 |
| messerting | yep, assumed it did, but never tried it | 07:42 |
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| rubdos | kimmoli, when looking into the Qi spec and the arc-tech company you told me about yesterday, it seems that the electromagnetic permeability is very low (differs two orders of magnitude; about 32 vs 2300) | 08:43 |
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| kimmoli | rubdos: ok | 08:48 |
| rubdos | I mentioned Qi charger to them and I hope they have a look in the spec, but I doubt it | 08:48 |
| kimmoli | http://product.tdk.com/en/products/noise-sheet/noise-sheet/catalog/ | 08:50 |
| kimmoli | another one | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i was thinking about going down the not-so wireless charging route | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | of pins and magnets like tohkbd | 08:50 |
| rubdos | Ugh, TDK datasheets are ugly... "They are flexible(not crack)." | 08:51 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, those are in the megahertz range :/ | 08:52 |
| kimmoli | yes | 08:53 |
| rubdos | point is, Qi recommends a bunch of materials. If you search for them, you only get coils for building transformers, no sheets. | 08:53 |
| Zombiela | does anyone here have any idea if Jolla works with those bluetooth selfie sticks? | 08:54 |
| tbr | wild guess: those are just BT-HID devices. the question then will be if there is any mapping for the keycode that those send. | 08:54 |
| Zombiela | hmm, should I just risk buying it from sale and then complaining if it won't work? | 08:55 |
| tango_ | I have the Barcode reader from F-Droid, and I just noticed a missing aspect in the Android/Sailfish OS integration: network setup. Barcode Reader can read qcodes for wap-protected wifi networks, and on android it can connect to the network | 08:55 |
| Zombiela | https://together.jolla.com/question/79639/does-jolla-camera-support-remote-capture-via-bluetooth/ | 09:02 |
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| rubdos | Zombiela, looks like you're lucky :) | 09:05 |
| kimmoli | rubdos: 300 @ MHz http://katalog.we-online.de/pbs/datasheet/374004.pdf | 09:05 |
| Zombiela | I am wondering what else to shop from this sale too in addition of that | 09:05 |
| mcfrisk | how to use private browsing mode now? there's nothing in browser app setting or in the app gui.. | 09:05 |
| Zombiela | mcfrisk: in the pulley menu you find new private window or was it tab | 09:05 |
| kimmoli | new tab, pulldown | 09:06 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, that's better already | 09:06 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, you can have a look at this page: http://www.fair-rite.com/newfair/materials78.htm | 09:07 |
| rubdos | (their website is bad as hell, but you get the point of the bottom-left diagram) | 09:07 |
| rubdos | high real mu, low imaginary mu, both at 100KHz | 09:07 |
| rubdos | The specs you send now look the best from what I've seen already | 09:08 |
| mcfrisk | ok so browser -> tabs ->pulley -> private browsing. this should be documented somewhere.. | 09:08 |
| r0kk3rz | it'll end up in the user guide at some point im sure | 09:10 |
| Zombiela | hmm, it probably wouldn't like insmat, but that can be removed for photographing | 09:11 |
| rubdos | To go into the browser story: something I miss is the firefox read mode. It takes the text, and does the reflow. It takes out images and stuff, so you can actually read websites that were made in the '90s. | 09:11 |
| Yaniel | when did they get around to adding that to firefox :o | 09:13 |
| mcfrisk | oh man, jolla browser doesn't have tracking protection feature enabled at compile time... | 09:14 |
| mcfrisk | that would save so much bandwidth | 09:15 |
| * rubdos downloading all the datasheets... | 09:16 | |
| Zombiela | webstore is having an generic error so no selfie stick for me for now | 09:17 |
| mcfrisk | tjc login page doesnt work well with jolla browser, sigh. tab zoom and pop up keyboard mess the fields | 09:18 |
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| mcfrisk | and the forced login header on the login page, cant zoom to the input fields.. | 09:20 |
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| chem|st | mcfrisk: that is a long known issue | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | Zombiela: thats for the best i think | 10:25 |
| chem|st | I hope Jolla is working on a m.jolla experience but that might be one guy/gal for all of the pages... | 10:25 |
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| louisdk | Hi. Is there a tjc ticket on "Hardware keyboard shortcuts". I can't find one, but don't want to create duplicates. | 11:17 |
| kimmoli | louisdk: ? | 11:18 |
| kimmoli | please come to #jollatohkbd | 11:18 |
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| mariodz | Hello everyone :) | 11:39 |
| Zombiela | hi | 11:39 |
| mariodz | hello Zombiela :) | 11:39 |
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| mariodz | Sfiet_Konstantin, hello :) | 11:39 |
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| mariodz | not sure if you Zombiela can help me ... or if i have to wait a bit but i've got a question ... today i got notified of an update for sailfish os (need to check what version that actually was again) ... anyway ... i was wondering ... would it cause some problems if i performed a factory reset and then checked for the update again? ... and THEN install my apps again? | 11:42 |
| mariodz | there's not much i currently have on my phone ... only some photos ... some other files ... and i'm transfering them to my computer now for backup | 11:42 |
| Zombiela | I don't thinkk it should except that you would be upgrading from possibly ancient Sailfish | 11:43 |
| mariodz | well ... that'd be ok with me :D | 11:43 |
| mariodz | i'm also asking because ... i did notice something weird ... at times i can no longer "hang up" | 11:43 |
| mariodz | the display is acting like i'm not even touching it any more | 11:44 |
| mariodz | or sometimes it does notice my touch but still the option to terminate the call isn't registered | 11:44 |
| mariodz | have you ever had the same problem? | 11:45 |
| Zombiela | I don't think so, but factory reset should help unless it's hardware issue | 11:45 |
| mariodz | and oh! ... i forgot two other things ... please forgive me but how are you Zombiela? :) ... aaand 2) do i have to remove my memory card before or after doing the factory reset? | 11:46 |
| Zombiela | having sleeping issues which my nick hints toe even if it's day time now, and you? I think I have performed factory resets with memory card plugged in, but if you don't want to format it and wish to stay safe you might want to remove it before doing the factory reset | 11:48 |
| mariodz | well ... i don't mind it getting formated ... i just don't want the phone to install the default system on the memory card or something | 11:50 |
| mariodz | and i am sorry to hear that you've got some sleeping issues ... | 11:50 |
| mariodz | just because someone refers to "zombies" in their name doesn't always mean they have 'em ... but i hear you :) | 11:51 |
| mariodz | if you'd like to i'll pray for you | 11:51 |
| Zombiela | I don't think it would do that | 11:51 |
| Zombiela | for me it does and I did this nick change last night after hours of staying awake in bed | 11:52 |
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| mariodz | i see :) | 11:52 |
| mariodz | what's your regular name then if i may ask? | 11:53 |
| mariodz | i'm sorry if that was a rude thing to ask | 11:55 |
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| Zombiela | Mikaela | 11:58 |
| mariodz | hope it doesn't sound flirtatious when i say "nice name" :) | 12:00 |
| mariodz | nice to meet you :) | 12:00 |
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| Zombiela | nice to meet you too | 12:02 |
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| rubdos | kimmoli, those ferrite shields you sent me are pretty expensive, at 15 EUR for 60*60 mm | 13:29 |
| rubdos | or 25 for 120*120, which is about 7 eur per TOH. | 13:30 |
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| kimmoli | rubdos: wurth stuff? | 13:36 |
| rubdos | yup | 13:36 |
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| rubdos | searched them on farnell | 13:36 |
| kimmoli | ok. wurth is not cheap, farnell is not cheap, and that was marked as "NEW" in wurth pages | 13:37 |
| rubdos | It's marked "new" on farnell too | 13:37 |
| rubdos | I found some 3M stuff, let me check the DS | 13:38 |
| kimmoli | the permeability value might be misleading if it is shown only for a spot freq, e.g. 13.56 MHz | 13:38 |
| rubdos | indeed | 13:38 |
| rubdos | something else worth thinking about: do we want a conductive shield? | 13:39 |
| rubdos | Don't think so | 13:39 |
| rubdos | because I don't like eddycurrents in my TOH :/ | 13:39 |
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| rubdos | found smting from fair rite now. 200 mu, gotta go now. Bye | 13:46 |
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| pdanek2 | Anyone using Line? | 13:56 |
| pdanek2 | It's hands down best chat versus WhatsApp, Viber or WeChat. | 13:57 |
| pdanek2 | I just tried it first time today and it's just beautiful, functional, professional, everything better than Viber, WhatsApp or WeChat, | 13:57 |
| urs | pdanek2: "line" is also an impossible word to google for | 13:58 |
| M4rtinK | another centralized unencrypted proprietary shit ? | 13:58 |
| M4rtinK | ;-) | 13:59 |
| urs | also, it doesn't seem like it can do irc. | 13:59 |
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| pdanek2 | M4rtinK: it just works | 14:05 |
| urs | pdanek2: also, it doesn't have a sailfish app, does it? | 14:06 |
| pdanek2 | urs: no, just android app, but works well | 14:07 |
| urs | pdanek2: can you host your own server? | 14:08 |
| pdanek2 | urs: I'm not comparing Line here with what you're talking about | 14:08 |
| pdanek2 | I started discussion about pure comparison with WhatsApp, Viber, WeChat | 14:08 |
| M4rtinK | I've started to assess all IM apps by comparing them to Tox | 14:08 |
| Acce | pdanek2: I use it regularly, best of the popular apps | 14:09 |
| urs | pdanek2: well, you *are* on irc here. The standard of comparison should be this medium here. | 14:09 |
| pdanek2 | Acce: exactly, I don't say it's best, but best of popular :) | 14:09 |
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| M4rtinK | so as long as it is not: fully open source, fully encrypted and distributed | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | I consider it sub-par | 14:09 |
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| Acce | urs: the "geek" standard and regular people standard are quite different | 14:10 |
| urs | M4rtinK: well, I used the same reasoning back when people started using facebook, and nobody seems to have paid any mind | 14:10 |
| TemeV | pdanek2: is there open api for third party apps? | 14:11 |
| Acce | TemeV: nope | 14:11 |
| Acce | there is the one guy who has snooped the API somewhat, but he was thrown out of github | 14:12 |
| TemeV | so Telegram still wins this war | 14:12 |
| Acce | I don't know anyone using Telegram, so sadly it loses | 14:13 |
| Acce | unfortunately communication app is not worth anything, if you can't communicate with it | 14:13 |
| Acce | and for everyone else but the "regular" there's IRC | 14:13 |
| TemeV | Yes, that is always the problem | 14:13 |
| TemeV | but my friends moved to Telegram so I don't have that problem | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | TemeV: Telegram is centralized and the backend is closed source, right ? :) | 14:14 |
| TemeV | What I mean is Telegram is technically best of these centralized poorly encrypted messenger | 14:14 |
| TemeV | s | 14:15 |
| Acce | I couldn't convince my friends, because they're bound to some platforms by their other friends etc and they don't want to use multiple things because "why not just use this one that works?" | 14:15 |
| TemeV | M4rtinK: correct | 14:15 |
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| TemeV | Acce: well, then you're out of luck | 14:16 |
| Acce | yeah.. for now | 14:16 |
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| M4rtinK | well, most of my friends are actually quite technically able | 14:18 |
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| M4rtinK | which has the side effect of staying away from the popular yet technically crappy and privacy invading IM services | 14:20 |
| M4rtinK | also the lack of any need for registration & remembering your login/password in Tox helps a lot | 14:21 |
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| M4rtinK | so its really effortless to set-up | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | x§ | 14:22 |
| TemeV | M4rtinK: does tox deliver messages that are sent while you are offline? | 14:23 |
| M4rtinK | TemeV: Not at all. :) | 14:23 |
| TemeV | so it is useless for mobile | 14:23 |
| M4rtinK | at least uTox wont even let you queue the message for sending | 14:24 |
| M4rtinK | currently | 14:24 |
| Yaniel | Tox is a nice idea but unfortunately the devs are toxic | 14:25 |
| M4rtinK | but a lot could be done client side | 14:25 |
| M4rtinK | well they could think more hard about backward compatibility, that's for sure | 14:25 |
| Yaniel | backward compatibility is the least of my worries there | 14:26 |
| M4rtinK | I haven't communicated with them directly but from how they present themselves | 14:27 |
| M4rtinK | they didn't seem too out of whack | 14:27 |
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| Yaniel | welll... they could be done with a lot of things already | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | and probably would, if interacting with them didn't cause cancer | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK | at least it is a good proof of concept | 14:39 |
| M4rtinK | so maybe a less toxic project shows-up building on Tox as its base :) | 14:40 |
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| pdanek2 | Acce: first day on Line and it's beauty | 14:46 |
| pdanek2 | if a man forgets the stuff around "proprietary, closed API, closed source" and focus on functionality only, it's masterpiece | 14:47 |
| pdanek2 | long time I haven't been satisfied with software like this, both mobile app and Windows app | 14:47 |
| pdanek2 | maybe the Windows app is even better | 14:48 |
| pdanek2 | Viber / WhatsApp Windows apps are horrible | 14:48 |
| mariodz | sorry to bother y'all ... i've run into some stupid issue ... i did a factory reset on my phone ... and now i don't know how to update it any more : ( | 14:48 |
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| Yaniel | after the reset, set up your jolla account, don't install any apps | 14:48 |
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| mariodz | i did that Yaniel ... | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | search for updates and it should find one | 14:49 |
| mariodz | but i can't find the "update" entry any more | 14:49 |
| Yaniel | settings->system->about | 14:50 |
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| mariodz | alright ... did that Yaniel | 14:51 |
| mariodz | ha! ... thanks :D ... finally ... the update notification is there :D | 14:51 |
| mariodz | thanks | 14:51 |
| mariodz | i feel rather stupid now | 14:52 |
| mariodz | you see ... i thought i had remembered it differently ... | 14:53 |
| mariodz | what i don't understand right now is ... | 14:55 |
| mariodz | it's updating to 1.1.2.16 ... | 14:55 |
| mariodz | instead of this other update i read about | 14:56 |
| kimmoli | mariodz: waht versio you were at? some ancient? | 14:56 |
| Yaniel | factory reset | 14:56 |
| Yaniel | so yes, an ancient version | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | it updates to that version first | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | then to the latest | 14:57 |
| mariodz | ok :) | 14:57 |
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| mariodz | please excuse me for a few more bits ... i'll be back in a few :) | 15:05 |
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| Zombiela | do I understand correctly that when you send Jolla to Care, they will flash newer recovery image inside too? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | if it gets reflashed i would presume so | 15:07 |
| Zombiela | :) | 15:08 |
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| kimmoli | worth of sending it it just for that? | 15:18 |
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| rysiek|pl | hi all | 15:24 |
| rysiek|pl | I'm trying to stream audio TO my Jolla | 15:24 |
| rysiek|pl | this was possible with N900: | 15:25 |
| rysiek|pl | http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_Audio_To_N900 | 15:25 |
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| rysiek|pl | can't seem to find where to get the esound-protocol-tcp module | 15:25 |
| rysiek|pl | any hints? trying to load it flat out fails | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | if you ask monday, jusa_ can probably answer | 15:28 |
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| rysiek|pl | ahm thanks | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | (pulseaudio guru) | 15:33 |
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| HtheB | how can I associate some file to open in a certain app instead of opening up the browser? | 15:50 |
| HtheB | file extension | 15:51 |
| newin | yes, but I don't remember how... just remember that you need a terminal to do this | 15:55 |
| newin | (i'm not from jolla team) | 15:55 |
| kimmoli | HtheB: search TJC or TMO, it was explained somewhere | 15:55 |
| HtheB | newin: I know I can, I asked "how" not "if" | 15:55 |
| kimmoli | or backlogs of #sailfishos | 15:55 |
| HtheB | T_T | 15:55 |
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| newin | I've found something that looks like this on a question with someone who want to make an android browser as his default browser | 15:57 |
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| HtheB | newin: link? | 15:59 |
| newin | https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ | 15:59 |
| newin | the important part is "MimeType" | 15:59 |
| HtheB | thnx, i should try to see what I can do abou tit | 15:59 |
| HtheB | yeah | 16:00 |
| newin | this is not a straight answer but it can give you an idea of how to proceed... | 16:00 |
| HtheB | I want a streaming file to be opened with an Android app instead of Sailfish Browser | 16:00 |
| HtheB | because the browser tries to download a stream.... | 16:00 |
| HtheB | instead of streaming it :op | 16:00 |
| HtheB | :P | 16:00 |
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| kimmoli | hmm.. http://blog.leapmotion.com/integrate-leap-motion-arduino-raspberry-pi/?utm_source=Leap+Motion+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c166ac188a-Newsletter_119a&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f0a6fbd89e-c166ac188a-60230841 | 16:30 |
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| kimmoli | äh, pc required seems | 16:32 |
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| HtheB | Is there a way to restore the .vault directory without micro SD card? | 17:46 |
| HtheB | when I restore the phone to factory settings, I can't put back the backup... | 17:47 |
| HtheB | it doesn't accept it | 17:47 |
| HtheB | is there some way to get the backup without the sd card? | 17:47 |
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| locusf | scp? | 17:56 |
| HtheB | locusf: already did | 17:57 |
| locusf | oh | 17:57 |
| HtheB | the point is, when I put the files back to the phone, it wont accept it | 17:57 |
| locusf | do a system upgrade first? | 17:58 |
| HtheB | sure, already tried that out as well | 17:58 |
| HtheB | the problem is: it doesn't detect the backup... | 17:58 |
| HtheB | as if there is no backup made at all | 17:59 |
| locusf | hmmm | 18:00 |
| HtheB | weird... | 18:02 |
| HtheB | I created a backup | 18:02 |
| locusf | manually run the-vault? | 18:02 |
| HtheB | i found a big | 18:03 |
| HtheB | bug* | 18:03 |
| locusf | ok what happened | 18:03 |
| HtheB | i just made a new backup, but the backup didnt appair on the "restore list" | 18:03 |
| HtheB | did it again, still nothing | 18:03 |
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| HtheB | so I deleted the .vault directory manually | 18:03 |
| HtheB | and made a new backup again, then it showed the backup correctly in the list | 18:04 |
| HtheB | but then again... I'm afraid that it wont show the backup again if I factory reset the phone :( | 18:04 |
| HtheB | I have to be sure about this :( | 18:04 |
| locusf | yeah | 18:04 |
| HtheB | otherwise: is there a way to put the files manually? | 18:04 |
| HtheB | contacts isnt a problem, opening the contact file is enough :p | 18:05 |
| HtheB | I dont want to loose my messages... | 18:05 |
| locusf | the tool is opensource | 18:07 |
| locusf | but the frontend isn't | 18:07 |
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| HtheB | thats like: here is the ingredients, but we dont tell how to make..... | 18:07 |
| locusf | yep | 18:09 |
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| HtheB | anyway.... here we go again | 18:09 |
| * HtheB factory resets the phone | 18:09 | |
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| HtheB_afk | bbl with the results | 18:11 |
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| HtheB_afk | locusf: :( | 19:12 |
| HtheB_afk | like i thought, no backup in the list... | 19:12 |
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| HtheB | locusf: I made a new backup, and after that, replaced the directories with my old backup, that trick did the job :) | 19:51 |
| HtheB | but ffs, my phone keeps turning off or rebooting when i make or receive a call :/ | 19:52 |
| HtheB | (most of the times) | 19:52 |
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