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| PaulePanter | Hi. Was the newsletter yesterday (The new Sailfish OS update Aaslakkajärvi out now!) sent out by mistake? | 05:23 |
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| PaulePanter | The text sounded outdated. | 05:23 |
| chriadam | how so? | 05:26 |
| PaulePanter | chriadam: Doesn’t contain the same information as the newsletter from May? | 05:27 |
| pp | yea but now you got the update without volunteering :-) | 05:27 |
| PaulePanter | Ah. | 05:28 |
| chriadam | lightning does strike twice if you're an early-adopter volunteer ;-) | 05:28 |
| PaulePanter | Let me look. Currently I am on 1.1.4.29 and I can’t remember joining the “beta program”. | 05:30 |
| PaulePanter | Also the newsletter contains, | 05:31 |
| PaulePanter | The survey (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H9DTWBM) is in English and open until the 15th of May 2015 @ 23:59 (GMT +2). | 05:31 |
| PaulePanter | which is over now. | 05:31 |
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| PaulePanter | The title is: Jolla Sailfish Update - May 2015, read in browser (#) | 05:31 |
| PaulePanter | Are you sure, it has something to do with the beta program? If so, it’s very confusing. | 05:32 |
| chriadam | it may not - it may simply be informing the community of our roadmap | 05:33 |
| chriadam | I don't recall that particular email | 05:34 |
| chriadam | but the new update version is larger than 1.1.4.29 so it's definitely an update you don't have, it seems. | 05:34 |
| FireFly | The e-mail I got yesterday mentions Aaslakkajärvi in the title, but Äijänpäivänjärvi in the body text, which is pretty confusing | 05:36 |
| FireFly | I assumed somebody had mentioned that already | 05:36 |
| chriadam | oops. I've mentioned it to the appropriate person. thanks for that report. | 05:38 |
| FireFly | You're welcome, and sorry for not mentioning it sooner | 05:38 |
| FireFly | earlier* | 05:38 |
| coderus | FireFly: i don't see any "Äijänpäivänjärvi" in text | 05:39 |
| FireFly | Hm | 05:39 |
| FireFly | It might only be in the text (i.e. non-HTML) version, if the e-mail is sent as both | 05:39 |
| FireFly | http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2015-06-16_073931.png this is what I see in my mail client | 05:40 |
| PaulePanter | I just read the plain text part. | 05:40 |
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| coderus | FireFly: yeah you right. This is comtent of email: https://gist.github.com/CODeRUS/007717cb1e95612d2121 | 05:43 |
| coderus | content* | 05:43 |
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| Wnt | argh! why cannot the Maps publishers / developers add release notes to the Store!? | 09:49 |
| Wnt | All I can see in the comments of the Maps application is people asking for changelog and this has been going on for multiple releases already | 09:49 |
| chem|st | Wnt: landscape mode... the release notes for maps are broken, rpm -q changelog sailfish-maps | 09:49 |
| chem|st | if you do not notice the change... why bother anyway... as soon as we get proper maps with voice nav I am sure you do not need changelogs for that to recognize | 09:51 |
| Wnt | but I already have a landscape mode in the map view. I'm running 1.0.39.3 and the store offers an update to 1.0.40 | 09:51 |
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| chem|st | Wnt: nothing special... guess it was some bugfix | 09:52 |
| chem|st | maps is useless until there is offline maps and voice nav so why bother... | 09:53 |
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| flux | chem|st, well, you would only notice it without changelogs if you try it after each update :) | 09:54 |
| chem|st | flux: ever heard of release notes? | 09:54 |
| chem|st | that the store part is broken is quiet obvious, it shows for me version 1.0.3 and updated 2015/01/19 | 09:55 |
| flux | sure, release notes is enough | 09:55 |
| chem|st | installed 1.0.40 | 09:55 |
| tadzik | oh, an OCR app in store | 09:56 |
| tadzik | runs like a snail though | 09:56 |
| chem|st | tadzik: I do not really see the point in OCR without TTS (for disabled people) | 09:57 |
| tadzik | (and produces incorrect results, if any) | 09:57 |
| tadzik | chem|st: the only use I can think of for myself is translations | 09:57 |
| chem|st | or that | 09:58 |
| tadzik | I used google translate android app for it last time, it was okay-ish | 09:58 |
| tadzik | funny how google bought this whole wordlens thing and then killed it, shipping an inferior Translate instead | 09:58 |
| zutto | didnt they just integrate the wordlens into the translate app? | 10:01 |
| tadzik | no | 10:01 |
| zutto | works better than it did before from my expirience atleast | 10:01 |
| tadzik | you take a static picture, then manually select the text from it | 10:01 |
| zutto | no, i dont have to do that | 10:03 |
| zutto | i might have outdated translate on this old android phone tho | 10:03 |
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| tadzik | heh, good for you :) | 10:07 |
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| FireFly | Huh, this is confusing | 10:14 |
| FireFly | When I go to "My apps" I see that all are up to date, but when I click on Maps I see "update available" | 10:15 |
| FireFly | When I go back to "My apps", all up-to-date again | 10:15 |
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| Wnt | FireFly: there has been something weird with the Maps updates for a long time: https://together.jolla.com/question/82273/yliaavanlampi-store-doesnt-offer-maps-update/ | 10:19 |
| FireFly | Aha | 10:19 |
| Wnt | but I have not had that issue myself | 10:20 |
| Wnt | maybe you could report your problem to together.jolla.com? | 10:21 |
| FireFly | It might just be because I installed the latest update a couple of hours (as in, ~12) ago | 10:24 |
| chem|st | FireFly: the versioning is all borked for me... and it says last update was done in January | 10:32 |
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| ggabriel | i got the maps update notification a few hours after I finished the upgrade | 11:01 |
| ggabriel | oh, I rebooted a couple of times too to see if an android application got fixed | 11:01 |
| narchie | jolla tablet, shipping may 2015 | 11:12 |
| politie | soon | 11:13 |
| tadzik | Half Life 2 Episode 3, coming 3 months after Episode 2 | 11:15 |
| politie | half life 3, coming | 11:16 |
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| chem|st | politie: (TM) | 11:22 |
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| tadzik | well, they never said HL3 is coming :) | 11:27 |
| tadzik | so it bears some resemblance to Jolla 2, heh | 11:27 |
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| niuran | hopa Jolla 2 have 2015 hardware and lower price than the first one | 11:37 |
| niuran | hope... | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | there isn't gonna be a jolla 2, at least for a while | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | but they have another sfos manufacturer they're gonna announce this summer | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | sfos device vendor that is | 11:39 |
| tadzik | just like with Half Life 3 %) | 11:40 |
| niuran | we will know in a couple of months i suppose | 11:41 |
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| TemeV | Should be more like couple of weeks unless Jolla has redefined "before holidays" | 11:44 |
| tbr | winter holidays? | 11:51 |
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| TemeV | or summer holiday 2016 | 11:51 |
| TemeV | Jolla should just stick to "soon" to not cause any confusion :) | 11:52 |
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| kimmoli | soon(TM) | 11:53 |
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| Taaem | http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/06/16/a-peek-at-fairphones-amazing-new-modular-smartphone the new fairphone is announced :good: | 12:13 |
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| flux | taaem, one thing it probably isn't.. waterproof :) | 12:21 |
| Taaem | flux: seems like that | 12:25 |
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| Hartzi | it can't be fair if it doesn't have sailfishos ;) | 12:33 |
| ottulonen | Hartzi: they do say in the article they plan "to open source many elements of the software so that developers can easily build their own ROMS and port other platforms like Jolla or Ubuntu to the device" | 12:34 |
| Hartzi | thx for tldr | 12:35 |
| Taaem | On the website they write that they want to try to support some alternative OSs officially or via the community | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/15420/Neptune-Pine-16GB-SMART-WATCH-Unlocked-Android-4-1-Dual-Core-2-4-TABLET-WATCH-GPS-CAMERA-with-WiFi-3G-4G/ | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | on the topic of other wacky things. | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | A 2.5" tablet-watch. | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | /phone. | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | At a very reduced price. I'd have got one if it had >320*240 | 12:37 |
| flux | I would have some desire to have a waterproof smartwatch with phone, does it exist? | 12:39 |
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| tadzik | smartwatch with phone? | 12:41 |
| tadzik | You mean, a watch than can make calls? | 12:41 |
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| flux | yes | 12:42 |
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| ggabriel | how would that work underwater? or are the two features unrelated? :) | 12:42 |
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| flux | well, it wouldn't die if exposed to one meter below water surface | 12:43 |
| tadzik | strap an old samsung solid to your wrist :) | 12:43 |
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| flux | ability to read in sunshine with sunglasses would be a bonus 8-) | 12:44 |
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| ggabriel | oh, my jolla went a bit ballistic just now on that respect | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | i have to whack the brigthness to 11 | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | but then the light sensor decided to work again | 12:44 |
| flux | someone should make a smartphone with eink display | 12:44 |
| flux | sure, it wouldn't have colors and have slowly updating screen, but at least the battery would last ;) | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | yotaphone? | 12:45 |
| flux | oh, apparently one can actually buy it | 12:46 |
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| flux | lately I've been reading some books with kindle (4). it does rock for that use. | 12:47 |
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| ggabriel | flux: yup, mine broke and i use fbreader on the jolla now, not sure why i'd buy another kindle now :P | 12:50 |
| flux | well, for one, if you're traveling, you're not using your mobile phone battery for reading ebooks ;) | 12:51 |
| flux | the buttons are nice on both side of the screen; and it doesn't matter if you carry it by touching the screen even when it's not locked | 12:51 |
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| flux | and when you come back to it, it's always in the right place, no multitasking there ;) | 12:52 |
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| Nicd- | the pros of a dedicated device are why I still carry around my mp3 player :P | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | but most people seem to think it's stupid | 12:54 |
| tadzik | well, hearthstone won't OOM kill your mp3 player... ;) | 12:54 |
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| wysiwtf | hearthstone! | 12:55 |
| wysiwtf | im an addict | 12:55 |
| flux | my iriver died ;-(( | 12:55 |
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| flux | it was teh bestest | 12:55 |
| wysiwtf | does it run on jolla? | 12:55 |
| flux | nicd-, but mp3 playing uses a trivial amount of energy | 12:55 |
| flux | keeping a screen on for hours uses a nontrivial amount | 12:55 |
| wysiwtf | the main problem i had with a seperate mp3 player was that i missed calls and notices on my phone :/ | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | it's not trivial if my jolla is already running low in the evening | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: I was truly surprised to find that the 2013 nexus 7 gets ~18h on dim with fbreader | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I should check the Jolla, but I forgot | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | wysiwtf: how does it affect that? can't hear them over the music? | 12:56 |
| wysiwtf | yeah | 12:56 |
| flux | wysiwtf, vibration? | 12:56 |
| flux | also, I had almost forgotten: RockBox rocks! | 12:57 |
| wysiwtf | i dont notice that either when i have the phone in my pocket and am moving | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | it's true, hearing the phone or feeling it vibrate in a bus over the music is difficult | 12:57 |
| flux | the mp3 player interfaces in cell phones just aren't as good ;-) | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | but I just keep it in my hand if I'm expecting a call or something | 12:57 |
| flux | http://www.rockbox.org/ | 12:57 |
| flux | last release two years ago :-) | 12:58 |
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| flux | too bad the jolla keyboard didn't add any new keys to the surface, to allow better control of media players without opening it | 12:59 |
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| Nicd- | wonder what I'll do when my iPod runs out of space eventually... maybe in the next 4 years | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | since I don't see many convenient alternatives | 13:00 |
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| politie | boombox on batteries. on your shoulder | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | ohhh, a JVC tube boombox <3 been wanting one since I was a kid | 13:01 |
| flux | the bluetooth speakers are infact nice | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | boomblaster it's called apparently | 13:01 |
| flux | I wonder though how much energy does the bt streaming take compared to using lineout though | 13:01 |
| politie | exactly | 13:01 |
| flux | I got a 20e bt speaker for a trip and it was a life saver, the car radio did not work :) | 13:02 |
| flux | (rental car) | 13:02 |
| tadzik | wysiwtf: yeah | 13:03 |
| tadzik | you need google play though | 13:03 |
| wysiwtf | oh im on android now | 13:03 |
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| wysiwtf | so def not anti-google | 13:04 |
| wysiwtf | but i have preordered the tab anyway, not the phone | 13:04 |
| wysiwtf | but i figure if it runs there it will also run on the tab =) | 13:04 |
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| wysiwtf | should be more powerful after all | 13:04 |
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| mornfall | hmm, I really wish the browser wouldn't alter the address while I'm editing it :\ | 13:11 |
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| mornfall | another thing I hate is how trigger-happy connman is about disconnecting | 13:14 |
| mornfall | also really inconsistent | 13:14 |
| mornfall | walking through the city, it drops 3G for any random wifi (which of course doesn't work) | 13:14 |
| mornfall | coming home, it sticks to 3G even though it has excellent, working wifi connection at hand | 13:15 |
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| urs | It's a phone with character! | 13:15 |
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| mornfall | hmm, I guess it gets progressively worse with uptime | 13:29 |
| mornfall | now it shows wifi is connected, full signal but pops up connection dialog when trying to sign into caldav | 13:30 |
| mornfall | but the browser works... odd | 13:30 |
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| chem|st | how does one toggle the GPS switch in settings from CLI properly? | 13:58 |
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| tadzik | oh, I noticed something new about Email and its read statuses: it doesn't seem to notice that an email was deleted/moved on other device | 14:08 |
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| sakustar | Nicd- thats a pants problem, keep phone in your shirt pocket :( | 19:48 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | so, Jolla used to have their Skunkworks. They now have an airship lab :) | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: oh skunkworks still exists, just more smelly than ever.. | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:55 |
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| ScreamerX | hi, is it still impossible to add contacts using the built-in xmpp client? | 19:58 |
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| TemeV | ScreamerX: afaik yes, there haven't been much action around messaging | 19:59 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: :P | 20:01 |
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| Nicd- | sakustar: I don't have shirt pockets | 20:05 |
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| sakustar | what | 20:07 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, I thought it's called upgrade now? https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/206268907-SailfishOS-update-1-1-6-27-Aaslakkaj%C3%A4rvi | 20:07 |
| sakustar | pocketless shirts </3 | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i don't get near zendesk | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:08 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | urgh, suddenly my phone's developer mode usb connection is broken | 20:14 |
| Nicd- | no dhcp, no response when manually setting IP to 192.168.2.16 | 20:14 |
| Morpog_PC | same here | 20:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | iirc you have to delete some file leftover | 20:15 |
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| Morpog_PC | it's on tjc | 20:15 |
| ZeiP | :( Trying to upgrade to Aaslakkajärvi but getting ”Sailfish OS could not be updated. Please try again later.” | 20:15 |
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| ZeiP | Does someon have any ideas how much free space the upgrade requires? I'm not sure if it's that or something else | 20:16 |
| TemeV | ZeiP: 2GB iirc | 20:17 |
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| ZeiP | Hmh, so it shouldn't be that | 20:19 |
| ZeiP | i've got 4,9GB free | 20:19 |
| Morpog_PC | btrfs fi show / | 20:20 |
| Morpog_PC | without the / | 20:20 |
| Wnt | I just managed to add good quality finnish aerial images & OK quality topografic map to maep-qt: https://github.com/Wnt/maep-qt/commit/f09bc4d136d66e59946500402276a7b79fb87f20 | 20:23 |
| Wnt | the same ones you can preview in Kapsi's demo http://kartat.kapsi.fi/map.html (the layer can be changed from the upper right corner + icon) | 20:24 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: deleting the file didn't help :( | 20:24 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, :( | 20:25 |
| Nicd- | manually setting the IP at least works | 20:27 |
| ZeiP | Morpog_PC, Total devices 1 FS bytes used 8.45GiB | 20:28 |
| ZeiP | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 13.75GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | ZeiP, yep | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | btrfs is full | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | do this: | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | connect to power | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | terminal, as root enter: | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC | btrfs balance start / | 20:29 |
| Morpog_PC | and wait for it to finish. Can take up to 45minutes | 20:29 |
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| Morpog_PC | usually 15minutes only | 20:29 |
| Morpog_PC | but never interrupt it! | 20:30 |
| ZeiP | Ok | 20:30 |
| Morpog_PC | Your Jolla should be faster after it as side effect | 20:30 |
| ZeiP | So I probably shouldn't run it over SSH? :P | 20:30 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I once made it over ssh | 20:30 |
| Morpog_PC | but should be safer in fingerterm :D | 20:31 |
| ZeiP | yeah | 20:31 |
| ZeiP | I've occasionally had the SSH connection drop, and that probably causes the command to also stop | 20:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | run it in a screen | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | as fingerterm can also lockup | 20:48 |
| coderus | it have no indication | 20:56 |
| coderus | so just run it with & and it's safe :) | 20:56 |
| coderus | no need for screen | 20:56 |
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| pdanek | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/18/russia-ios-android-sailfish-os | 21:59 |
| pdanek | Sailfish OS has just 0.5% of the market in Russia at present, below even Windows Mobile and Blackberry. | 21:59 |
| pdanek | 0.5%? Really? That's huge! | 21:59 |
| pdanek | I expected Sailfish to be somewhere around 0.1%. | 22:00 |
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| Almindor | how can you downgrade to v1.1.4.29 ? | 22:01 |
| Almindor | last update completely destroyed my phone, no calls possible in or out | 22:02 |
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| Almindor | I found this https://together.jolla.com/question/50986/howto-how-to-revert-to-an-earlier-sailfish-os-version/ but when I do version --dup it just gives me NO UPDATES FOUND. Try again later. | 22:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | you kinda cant really | 22:07 |
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| Almindor | ok how about a full rewipe? | 22:09 |
| Almindor | I mean if there's no way to go back I can just throw the phone away at this point and wait until the next fix (I did bugrep) | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | new modRana package is on OpenRepos :) | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | you can do a factory reset | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but getting to the previous upgrade version and not the latest might be tricky | 22:12 |
| * pahartik seems to have lost mobile data network from "Jolla Mobile" about two hours ago, wonders about how to restart it | 22:12 | |
| r0kk3rz | but my suggestion is to talk to care, give them a chance to fix it | 22:13 |
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