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| rubdos | Question about the 5V input for TOH: what are the tolerances on this 5V input voltage? | 06:39 |
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| rubdos | Eg., what happens if I overvolt that by 8mV? | 06:40 |
| rubdos | (gonna take a shower, I'll read it afterwards) | 06:40 |
| tbr | the ToH devkit should hopefully cover this | 06:40 |
| tbr | I'd _expect_ it to be about the same range as the USB input | 06:41 |
| tbr | so probably something like 10% | 06:41 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, coffee on balcony, 24 C outside | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | so good | 06:44 |
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| jaacoppi | 10 C here and raining, I'm not going to the balcony | 06:46 |
| kimmoli | rubdos: there is internal zener on the device, just dont go over 5.5 V or something | 06:54 |
| rubdos | tbr, kimmoli, You seem to say the same. So overvolting by .08 is'nt really a problem... Great. :) | 06:55 |
| kimmoli | not a problem | 06:56 |
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| rubdos | point is I'm building a buck converter, and I had to know how precise it should be. Quality versus cost and such :) | 06:56 |
| kimmoli | charging starts when it exceeds about 4.5V | 06:56 |
| rubdos | so I even have a volt covered... nice. | 06:56 |
| kimmoli | the current phone is drawing varies a little between 4.5 to 5.0 v, lower voltage, lower current. Also depends on your battery charge level | 06:58 |
| rubdos | No problem. The attiny chip will monitor the thing using a PID controller | 06:59 |
| kimmoli | it has been a while since i tinkered with that input | 06:59 |
| rubdos | I once tried it when I was near a very stable 5V supply. Just tied two wires to it. That's all I've done since | 07:00 |
| kimmoli | you can see the internal voltage A/D result with e.g. my app chargemon | 07:02 |
| rubdos | kimmoli, that's very useful! I'll certainly try that when I dare to connect my buck to my jolla haha :) | 07:03 |
| kimmoli | it can't be used as general multimeter as it shows ~0V when input < 4.x volts | 07:03 |
| rubdos | lol, that would have been too awesome | 07:05 |
| tbr | voltage stability under load is important. | 07:05 |
| tbr | I've built a qi-toh (like many others) and noticed that with one pod it was very unreliable | 07:06 |
| tbr | turns out the power throughput wasn't sufficient and the voltage kept collapsing below threshold | 07:06 |
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| tbr | resulting in a constant *bing* *bing* *bing* from it switching on/off charging mode | 07:07 |
| kimmoli | :) | 07:07 |
| kimmoli | adjustable lab supply highly recommended to find stable operating point | 07:07 |
| rubdos | tbr, what do you mean by "pod", the second inductor? | 07:07 |
| tbr | rubdos: the powered qi charging base | 07:08 |
| rubdos | oh okay. So moral of the story: do not buy cheap Qi charging base? | 07:08 |
| tbr | or buy several clearly different ones or one that has been tested by someone else already | 07:09 |
| rubdos | I'll go with that last option haha :) | 07:10 |
| tbr | the pod worked OK with the nexus7 2013 though. probably it was more forgiving and adapted to the lower throughput | 07:10 |
| tbr | devices do that with usb charging to account for cable impedance and such. they will step through a power envelope to find an ideal operating point | 07:11 |
| rubdos | Did you design the qi toh entirely by youself^ | 07:11 |
| rubdos | ?* | 07:11 |
| tbr | boils down to "increase charge current until voltage starts to collapse, then take one or two steps back" | 07:12 |
| tbr | rubdos: I bought a pad for the galaxy-s2 (cheap because old) and scrubbed off the contact blocks, replacing them with copper tape to route tho appropriate location inside toh | 07:13 |
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| rubdos | Okay. I'm designing it from ground up atm. Most charging pads are Type-1 I think. Second type is more appropriate for Jolla, as it gives a more stable voltage. | 07:14 |
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| Knofte | Is there a chance to get google play to actually work on joll/sailfish? Most "good" and needed apps depend on that crap, and it crashes everytime an app is opened.. (like whatsapp, badoo, snapchat, wifi analyzer and so on) | 09:36 |
| tadzik | Works for me | 09:36 |
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| tadzik | I installed it with the instructions on tjc | 09:38 |
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| coderus | Knofte: works for me | 09:57 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | same | 09:57 |
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| Knofte | So developer mode is required to use an app available in the jollastore? And you still think this is an "actually working" solution/app? :) | 10:52 |
| Knofte | Feels like, if it needs workaround, it could use some fix.. :) | 10:52 |
| Knofte | just imho ofcourse, this would solve the problem one guesses. | 10:52 |
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| Knofte | coderus: thanks for the url though, will think about it for a while. | 10:56 |
| tadzik | It's not available in the jolla store, what gave you that idea? | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you mean playstore not jollastore | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | and it will always be a workaround, and not a turnkey solution | 11:00 |
| r0kk3rz | because thats how google works | 11:00 |
| tadzik | Jolla store gives you a perfectly fine android compatibility, but nowhere does it say it supports google play | 11:00 |
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| Helle | yup, because Google Play (Services) is Google's attempt to turn the open Android ecosystem back into a closed one.... | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | not so much closed, just controlled | 11:03 |
| r0kk3rz | its harder to fork android and maintain compatibillity with all the GPS APIs | 11:03 |
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| * pahartik purchased induction charging plate just yesterday, got it working fine with "Google Asus Nexus 7 [2013] LTE", plans to eventually charge "Jolla Mobile" with it as well | 11:15 | |
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| temmi_hoo | pahartik: you should be here eating waffles | 11:15 |
| pahartik | temmi_hoo: At hackerspace of Helsinki, Finland? | 11:17 |
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| temmi_hoo | yes | 11:18 |
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| pahartik | temmi_hoo: Yes, I should have... | 11:22 |
| temmi_hoo | from friday onwards we've had waffles, thai, waffles, sausage, waffles, pea soup, waffles, sausage, waffles and then some waffles | 11:24 |
| temmi_hoo | pour some beer and sauna in between | 11:24 |
| falfa | sounds more like a hackerfood than a hackerspace? | 11:25 |
| temmi_hoo | we're having a social get together of all finnish hacklabs | 11:26 |
| temmi_hoo | so we've got geeks laptops robots etc the usual | 11:26 |
| pahartik | temmi_hoo: I was slightly planning to get "Samsung ChromeBook (Exynos ARM)" workstation and then spend weekend over there setting up "Debian GNU/Linux" on it | 11:27 |
| temmi_hoo | you totally should have done so | 11:28 |
| pahartik | temmi_hoo: It seems local stores do not currently have those, so plan failed completely | 11:28 |
| temmi_hoo | pahartik: well then, two free and empty hands for waffles and beer | 11:29 |
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| pahartik | temmi_hoo: Also, only managed to check out site describing that event on friday... It had all that stuff about signing up for event in advance... | 11:39 |
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| temmi_hoo | main idea for that was for friday dinner buffet we can have some idea on how many people what when | 11:41 |
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| taaeem | Hey guys does anybody know or can check if there is an native Flickr or tumblr client in the harbour? | 12:01 |
| skvark | did a quick search and seems that there isn't | 12:05 |
| taaeem | Okay thanks .) | 12:05 |
| PeperJohnny | https://openrepos.net/content/marco73f/jockr | 12:07 |
| PeperJohnny | However I have no experience with it | 12:07 |
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| Knofte | temmi_hoo: and pics of hackspace yet? | 12:36 |
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| coderus | Knofte: for app available in jollastore? what you mean? any app in jollastore requires google services? That is impossible. | 13:38 |
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| temmi_hoo | Knofte: https://www.flickr.com/photos/helsinkihacklab/ | 13:57 |
| temmi_hoo | we have a camera that sends everything to flickr | 13:58 |
| temmi_hoo | not a jolla thing though, just eye-fi card in a normal olympus camera | 13:58 |
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| citylight2 | can anyone help me subscribe to a dbus object using python? | 14:19 |
| citylight2 | I seek to subscribe to connman | 14:20 |
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| chem|st | citylight2: https://wiki.python.org/moin/DbusExamples | 14:27 |
| citylight2 | thanks mate | 14:27 |
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| chem|st | citylight2: are you looking for connectivty change? | 14:28 |
| citylight2 | yes I am | 14:29 |
| citylight2 | ! | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | isn't that what statefs is for? | 14:34 |
| chem|st | you want to know if online or offline right? | 14:34 |
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| citylight2 | yes | 14:41 |
| citylight2 | I actually want to run some action, in case I am offline | 14:42 |
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