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| tadzik | Not stilk, but now I am :) | 00:46 |
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| birdzhang | morning | 08:55 |
| birdzhang | to be honest, it's afternoon at my timezone | 08:58 |
| birdzhang | :) | 08:58 |
| coderus | :O | 08:58 |
| coderus | australian? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:58 |
| Lieke | it's morning when i wake up | 08:59 |
| Tofe | no, it's morning when you enter the chan :) | 09:01 |
| Lieke | but i never leave the chan | 09:01 |
| Tofe | Ah. That's a problem for sure. | 09:02 |
| tiwake | two hours into morning | 09:02 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: wait, what happens when someone is IRCing correctly and never leaves? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | still saying morning | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:03 |
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| tiwake | also, I typically define morning as about 4-5am and late night as 1-2am... the time inbetween is the time of which neither yesterday, today, nor tomorrow exists | 09:05 |
| tiwake | that is also the perfect time to work on creative programming | 09:05 |
| birdzhang | china | 09:05 |
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| birdzhang | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 09:10 |
| birdzhang | Intel support for Android runtime along with upgrade to version 4.4.4 – beta version | 09:11 |
| birdzhang | slow... | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | well alien dalvik is not made by jolla | 09:15 |
| birdzhang | alien dalvik is not open source | 09:15 |
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| birdzhang | i think ,open it will be better | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | well go tell that to myriad :P | 09:19 |
| Venemo | good morning :) | 09:20 |
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| chem|st | birdzhang: that is what they said about netscape too.... | 09:22 |
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| birdzhang | :D | 09:25 |
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| Laxtlo | hi | 10:53 |
| Laxtlo | any rumours about jolla tablet ? | 10:53 |
| Laxtlo | are they released in time...end of july | 10:54 |
| dirkvl | y | 10:54 |
| dirkvl | stated everywhere by themself | 10:54 |
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| ggabriel | 31st july | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | i have a countdown | 10:58 |
| birdzhang | :( | 10:58 |
| birdzhang | and salifish 2.0? | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | same | 10:58 |
| Laxtlo | long time to wait | 10:59 |
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| ggabriel | you can do outdoor activities while you wait :) | 10:59 |
| Laxtlo | doing all the time playing frisbee golf | 11:01 |
| Laxtlo | too bad that there is no good app for sailfish | 11:02 |
| Teme | where is Jolla Phone 2... i don't want to buy an android device :'( | 11:02 |
| Laxtlo | frishbee golf app i mean :) | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | Teme: i have a bad feeling about that one sadly | 11:02 |
| politie | get a nexus and install sailfish? | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | politie: no maps is pretty much a dealbreaker | 11:03 |
| Laxtlo | other company will released sailfish phone before vacations | 11:03 |
| Teme | politie: rather then oneplusone less money | 11:03 |
| Laxtlo | my guess is oppo | 11:03 |
| politie | yea ok | 11:03 |
| politie | no maps on nexus? | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | well, no | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | no maps and no android | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | altho i don't care about android | 11:03 |
| politie | oh | 11:04 |
| politie | well can be handy | 11:04 |
| politie | android | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | but no dealbreaker | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | not that i'd give google money and buy a nexus :) | 11:04 |
| politie | haha true | 11:04 |
| politie | my jolla works fine though | 11:05 |
| Laxtlo | me either dont want android phone | 11:05 |
| Teme | politie: only problem for me currently is amount of memory and OOM killer | 11:06 |
| Laxtlo | and big No to apple also | 11:06 |
| Laxtlo | yes same thing for me | 11:06 |
| Laxtlo | better hardware is needed | 11:06 |
| politie | its a bit outdated yea | 11:07 |
| Laxtlo | saarnio promise that before holidays somebody will release sailfish phone | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | no | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | he said that before the summer holidays an announcement will be made | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | which is too different to releasing a phone | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | 1 or 2 years difference actually | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | just to set expectations | 11:07 |
| politie | would suck if a new phone couldnt use old other halfs | 11:08 |
| Laxtlo | thats true | 11:08 |
| Laxtlo | well then i have to buy one to one | 11:08 |
| pp | well, the OS is there and if it's generic android hardware it's a matter of some grunt work to get it running well with all of it | 11:08 |
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| ggabriel | i don't underestimate the hw adaptation work | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | at least it takes smarter people than me a lot of time | 11:09 |
| Laxtlo | i guess i should buy it straight away | 11:09 |
| Teme | i actually went to their site just now, they have some flash sale campaign and it's sold out | 11:09 |
| Laxtlo | i went there yesterday | 11:10 |
| Laxtlo | 64bit was available | 11:10 |
| Teme | 64gb but whatever :D | 11:10 |
| SQUelcher | I'm still waiting for the next 50.- discount voucher to buy another jolla phone ;) | 11:11 |
| Laxtlo | shit bot are sould out now | 11:11 |
| Laxtlo | both* | 11:11 |
| politie | i see it was reduced in price | 11:13 |
| politie | wasnt the thing 5-600 bucks | 11:14 |
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| Teme | hmm, i don't have data but i think it's always been less than 400€ | 11:19 |
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| Teme | hence the flagship killer, pretty much the only competitive advantage for them is the price point | 11:19 |
| Teme | many people don't care about cyanogenmod or whatever it's running nowadays (i thought it was cyanogen but it's their own fork actually) | 11:20 |
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| politie | yea it was going to be cyanogen first | 11:29 |
| politie | i believe | 11:29 |
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| Laxtlo | jees | 12:18 |
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| Taaem | A 1+1 with Sailfish would be soo great | 12:24 |
| Taaem | Btw flash sale is on | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | assuming it works | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | a phone isn't only cpu+ram | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | samsung still can't make a phone that you can use for calling somebody or receiving a call with quality | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | sadly, apple has made considerable progress on the field, almost as good as nokia | 12:25 |
| politie | samsung and apple are both crap | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | no, apple's call quality is at another level in comparison to samsung | 12:29 |
| wysiwtf | depends on the rom used id say | 12:30 |
| wysiwtf | its not that the speaker or mic in all samsug phones are shit | 12:31 |
| Taaem | Apple makes good phones but far to expensive and iOS is too closed | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | I haven't found an exception yet "oh, man, what's wrong? is anybody murdering you?" "no, I bought a samsung phone!" "ah, ok" | 12:31 |
| Teme | hmm, sadly the news today prompted me to get the oneplusone | 12:37 |
| Teme | want to sell: First One Jolla | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | what news? | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | what news? | 12:37 |
| Teme | no Jolla 2 | 12:37 |
| Teme | at least that's what i read | 12:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Teme: where ? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | didn't we always say that next device would be a partner device instead? | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | well they kinda said it indirectly | 12:38 |
| Teme | http://www.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/jollan-myyntiarviot-menivat-rankasti-metsaan/rxqTMprG here in finnish, but that's just my own interpretation | 12:38 |
| Teme | Stskeeps: never saw anything regarding that | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | "The figures went heavily into the woods." <3 google translate | 12:39 |
| Teme | but i kinda had decided to switch already when the tablet was released | 12:39 |
| tadzik | Was there ever anything about Jolla2 mentioned anywhere? | 12:39 |
| Teme | tadzik: not so that it caught my eye anyway | 12:39 |
| tadzik | Other than speculations on top of speculations | 12:39 |
| tadzik | Teme: then why did you assume it until today? | 12:40 |
| Teme | well the tablet was announced out of the woods too | 12:40 |
| Teme | was keeping up hopes that a new phone would be too | 12:40 |
| Taaem | Ubuntu touch has already 3 devices O.o | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, some might argue that it's better a partner than jolla producing it :p | 12:43 |
| Taaem | I'm wondering how updates are going with partners will it be like with android? | 12:43 |
| politie | anyone tried ubuntu phone yet? | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | Taaem: nah.. we are hw independent in that regard | 12:44 |
| Taaem | Stskeeps: you're making an update and all sailfish phones will get it? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | Taaem: at least that's the idea, sailfishos in it's own is hw adaptation independent | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | we plan same for tablet | 12:45 |
| Taaem | Good I need to get sailfish device I think :D | 12:49 |
| Laxtlo | hopefully we get the tablet before jolla is bandkrupt :) | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's june, if we had not so good results last year, we're doing pretty good no | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | w | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | since we're not dead | 12:50 |
| pp | well, cash infusion :P | 12:50 |
| Laxtlo | i guess they have more money than ever if russian fund jolla ? ;) | 12:51 |
| tadzik | While you're all paying attention, can we all upvote “change default browser” to the front page on tjc? :P | 12:52 |
| chem|st | tadzik: get lost | 12:52 |
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| tadzik | Why so rude | 12:53 |
| chem|st | pissed about my latex template... | 12:53 |
| Taaem | Is the European Union supporting jolla? Isn't it that they also want more independence | 12:54 |
| tadzik | Fair enough | 12:54 |
| chem|st | Taaem: driving force in EU is Germany, Merkel sucks Obama every other month though | 12:54 |
| chem|st | tadzik: nothing personal ;) | 12:54 |
| tadzik | No offence taken :) | 12:54 |
| pp | 7.7M of finnish taxpayer money, it seems O:) | 12:55 |
| chem|st | as Jolla is still not offering me a job I need to get my CV in order... but I am so not into latex atm that I struggle with my own code from 8 years ago... | 12:56 |
| Taaem | chem|st : german here :D but sad that it seems like that sometimes | 12:56 |
| chem|st | so I gave up and just use moderncs | 12:56 |
| chem|st | Taaem: sometimes? well if sometimes is when I listen to news on the radio... then yes sometimes | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | for >2 years now they are lying to everybody, including the other countries in the EU, before I ever vote for conservatives I cut of a leg instead | 12:58 |
| chem|st | and now my ssh connection died again, bad day, time to get another 4 days off... | 13:00 |
| Taaem | Where you say ssh anything new in terms of sailfish secure? | 13:01 |
| locusf | its been kinda quiet after mwc on that | 13:02 |
| chem|st | what does ssh have to do with sfoss? what are you looking for? | 13:02 |
| locusf | chem|st: ssh corporation te | 13:03 |
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| locusf | teaming up with Jolla | 13:03 |
| Taaem | Their a partner for sailfish secure AFAIK | 13:03 |
| chem|st | locusf: well what is it actually? encrypted calls texts device encryption | 13:03 |
| chem|st | locusf: lol yeah the name of the company, I did not think that far ;) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: we very rarely headhunt | 13:03 |
| pp | these guys seem to be doing something with jolla too: https://twitter.com/trevocltd | 13:04 |
| locusf | hahahha trevoc | 13:04 |
| pp | (and having some fun publicity due to a high-profile court case ;) ) | 13:04 |
| locusf | chem|st: I don't know, ask Jolla :) | 13:05 |
| pp | re secure, start with these and continue from there: https://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/files/ppfiles/PP_MD_V1.0.pdf | 13:05 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I could apply as skipper though | 13:06 |
| tadzik | Sometimes when aliendalvik hangs icons in opera change colours o_O | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: mm, not really a position we put up (it's a special title in jolla, not == a chief) | 13:06 |
| locusf | wasn't there some guy on twitter on end-to-end encryption calls, wonder if its some sort of teaser | 13:07 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: no **O position for me then, what about a nautical skipper? | 13:08 |
| tadzik | How about a spikker? :P | 13:08 |
| pp | locusf: this guy (CEO of trevoc, apparently): https://twitter.com/PasiPatama ? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:08 |
| locusf | pp: yes | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | that makes sense | 13:09 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I have an ICC though if you ever need one for a teambuilding week | 13:10 |
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| Laxtlo | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2015/06/news-new-sailfish-os-phone-manufacturer.html?m=1 | 13:40 |
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| baum | is there a way to disable the "double-tab" function to unlock the screen? | 13:48 |
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| baum | i recently noticed that my phone tends to call random people if i sweat | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | is your proximty sensor working? | 13:49 |
| baum | ggabriel: how can i test that? | 13:49 |
| Teme | i turned off my phone by accident today in my pocket | 13:49 |
| Teme | dunno if proximity sensor should stop that or not | 13:49 |
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| ggabriel | baum: csd tool i guess it was named? | 13:50 |
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| baum | ggabriel: thanks, it seems to work | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | ok, strange that you can double tap it in a pocket then | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | although certain pockets don't trigger the sensor in my experience | 13:55 |
| Teme | my sensor seems to be working but doesn't seem to prevent turning off the device | 13:56 |
| Teme | which is probably intended, but on first though a bit weird | 13:56 |
| baum | well i tend to have big pockets, maybe the sensor doesn't trigger due to that | 13:56 |
| baum | leaves the question: is there a way to disable the functionality or not? | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | that last one i woultn'd know | 13:57 |
| baum | hum, alright, thanks anyways :) | 13:58 |
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| tadzik | Automatic locking may be a workaround | 14:05 |
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| tadzik | Laxtlo: interesting, thanks | 14:12 |
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| Laxtlo | :) | 14:16 |
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| flux | I've even pocket-PUK-locked my phone once, though not too many times so I was able to recover | 14:17 |
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| flux | but that was long time ago. | 14:17 |
| parasemic | anyone wouldn't happen to have another jolla battery lying around? i managed to ... uhm .. lose mine | 14:18 |
| flux | ..how does that happen?-) | 14:18 |
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| parasemic | dont ask questions you really deep down don't want an aswer to | 14:18 |
| parasemic | :D | 14:18 |
| parasemic | answer* | 14:18 |
| flux | it's nice how Jolla provided the batteries for sale for like a few hours. | 14:18 |
| parasemic | yeah | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | well, it was stock bound | 14:19 |
| parasemic | i was like "no biggie, ill just grab another" just to find out theres not a single piece anywhere | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | possibly based on votes in tjc | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | maybe somebody can make one for you | 14:19 |
| flux | so they are being super-optimal about the stock | 14:19 |
| parasemic | made me seriously surprised, even the official repair place wont sell me one even though they obviously have them | 14:19 |
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| ggabriel | i've been wondering what is so costly of keeping a stock or allowing to preorder them | 14:20 |
| flux | the strategy obviously is that you need to buy a new Jolla :P | 14:20 |
| parasemic | btw what was the current estimated shipping date for the tablet, anyone remember? | 14:20 |
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| ggabriel | 31 july | 14:20 |
| parasemic | if nothing else, ill just grab a used phone somewhere for 100ish euro | 14:20 |
| parasemic | ty | 14:20 |
| Aciid | does jolla sell b-stocks | 14:21 |
| parasemic | seems hilarious and honestly really dissapointing to find out you cant get a replacement battery for a phone that was advertised with "user replaceable battery" | 14:22 |
| flux | you can have two jollas and swap the batteries between them | 14:22 |
| parasemic | convenient ^^ | 14:23 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: blame google, that's what i do | 14:23 |
| parasemic | what has google done+ | 14:23 |
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| narchie | can I buy another jolla tablet | 14:23 |
| flux | wish Jolla folks would have just picked some battery that's readily available. I guess it wouldn't have fit the design. | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | allowed a market of dirt cheap phones so a small company like jolla can't compete | 14:23 |
| narchie | in case my tablet battery breaks | 14:23 |
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| narchie | oh but wheres the first one | 14:24 |
| narchie | nah, I think I'll blame jolla | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | nah, blame google | 14:24 |
| parasemic | yeah ill blame jolla too | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | it's easier | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | also, they're evil | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | they even said that | 14:24 |
| parasemic | though they replied that they "try to find out some other way to help me" apart from selling me another battery | 14:24 |
| parasemic | but im not holding my breath | 14:24 |
| Aciid | i submitted user replacable battery issue to alone.jolla.com no answer | 14:25 |
| parasemic | alone.jolla.com ... ok that was funny xd | 14:25 |
| baum | parasemic: incase you can't get an official one you might want to check out something like that: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.co.at/2014/12/this-spare-battery-fits-into-jolla-phone.html | 14:25 |
| narchie | parasemic: did you try sending to optima for certified duct tape repair service? | 14:25 |
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| parasemic | baum, thanks but read that already and i love my jolla but not enough to risk it exploding in the worst case scen ^^ | 14:26 |
| baum | parasemic: well, might be worth a try before buying a new phone....:) | 14:27 |
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| ggabriel | parasemic: actually, if you don't love your jolla enoguh, you can try that battery ;) | 14:27 |
| parasemic | narchie what do you mean? i even went there (its called mobylife now) and they couldn't help me as im missing the original battery | 14:27 |
| parasemic | if it was broken or something i doubt there was any issue | 14:27 |
| narchie | oh nevermind | 14:28 |
| parasemic | well, you do realize second biggest blood veins in human body are at the groin, right where i keep the phone in my pocket ^^ | 14:28 |
| narchie | thought it was just the stock error | 14:28 |
| * baum is quite surprised that you can't get a replacement battery from jolla | 14:28 | |
| * baum would have expected a better support...=/ | 14:28 | |
| parasemic | im implicating its a certain death in a scenario of actual batttery explosion | 14:28 |
| parasemic | i love the phone, but not to die over it :/ | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | right, and no, you won't die | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | baum: it's google's fault | 14:29 |
| baum | ggabriel: how that? | 14:29 |
| parasemic | cause google is evil, dug? | 14:29 |
| parasemic | duh* | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | 15:23 < ggabriel> allowed a market of dirt cheap phones so a small company like jolla can't compete | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | also, they're evil according to them | 14:30 |
| baum | well in this case we could also blame it on the windows phones :P | 14:30 |
| parasemic | damn i wish the sailfish port for 1+1 would get better, so i could just happily get the best price/performance/quality -ratio phone on the market and install sailfish | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | of course | 14:30 |
| parasemic | but i need the ability to call, and camera is nice too | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: but is it a good phone? | 14:31 |
| SQUelcher | parasemic: are you keeping you keeping your phone in your pocket while charging? ;) | 14:31 |
| parasemic | so ive heard | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | or j ust good specs on a website? | 14:31 |
| parasemic | jolla quite honestly isnt a great phone, not even great, in terms of hardware | 14:31 |
| parasemic | a few of my friends have 1+1 and its excellent | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | it's much better than equivalent and even allegedly faster android phones | 14:31 |
| baum | parasemic: yep - i'm realy missing an ethernet port on my jolla.....should be standard by now | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | call wise, the jolla >> latest sammy galaxy and whatnot | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | call quality* | 14:32 |
| parasemic | one thing really confuses me, that am i really the ONLY ONE who absolutely hates the word prediction bar in jolla keyboard?? ive literally never had a single correct prediction out of it, and it just takes up the space needlessly | 14:33 |
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| * baum didn't even realize that something like a prediction bar existed yet.... | 14:33 | |
| ggabriel | parasemic: it works for me... | 14:33 |
| parasemic | overall the typing experience seems subpar, imo. the finnish keyboard seems a bit strange in terms of layout and size of some buttons, etc | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | do you write in english? | 14:34 |
| parasemic | english and finnish | 14:34 |
| parasemic | mostly finnish | 14:34 |
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| parasemic | like, it may get the right word at times but then im just 1-2 letters away from it anyway and it would just slow me down | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: ok, works well with english anyway | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | even spanish, but english is best | 14:34 |
| parasemic | what im saying is that i want an option to remove it. dazzles me that you cant | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | edga case imo | 14:35 |
| parasemic | anyway, guess ill hold off from buying a used jolla for battery, or a 1+1 until they reply me with their "another way of helping me" | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | they're normally quick replyihng | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | i liked the options they gave me wrt broken screen | 14:37 |
| parasemic | how'd that work out? | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | so far, i'm keeping the phone with the broken screen | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | else i have the option to get a new phone for 200e | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | and i can keep the other half and battery, but i have to hand over the broken phone | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | or they can fix it in the future for 120e | 14:38 |
| parasemic | im gonna laugh my lungs out if they offer me to buy another phone to replace the battery or something ^^ | 14:38 |
| parasemic | but seems reasonable in your situation | 14:38 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, the screen is too expensive | 14:39 |
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| parasemic | im hoping they would order the repair place to sell one of their stock batteries for me, under the counter | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | do you actually lost the battery or broke it so that it won't work any more? | 14:43 |
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| ggabriel | s/^do/did/ | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | bleah, and verbs in infinitive, you know what i mean | 14:44 |
| baum | parasemic: alright - a new jolla costs arround 200 bucks right? i'll sell you my battery for 150 :P | 14:44 |
| Wnt | there is a spare battery for you http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/jolla-puhelin/364957980 | 14:44 |
| parasemic | yeah, but id hate to buy something like that just out of principle | 14:45 |
| parasemic | im polluting the earth enough as is | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | you aren't - google is | 14:46 |
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| ggabriel | so don't worry too much | 14:46 |
| parasemic | no, the chinese are | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | same difference | 14:46 |
| parasemic | i like to blame the chinese | 14:47 |
| parasemic | they may even be the real people in fault of my non-existant replacement battery | 14:47 |
| parasemic | like, not producing the batteries in reasonable quantities | 14:47 |
| baum | why would a supplyer not produce his batteries in reasonable quantities? | 14:48 |
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| parasemic | well, say if their mininum order is 10,000 units | 14:48 |
| baum | a supplyer will supply batterys as long as he gets payed for it | 14:48 |
| parasemic | so jolla cant order them as only a fracture would be sold | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | baum: probably not that simple, but i do wonder the same thing | 14:48 |
| parasemic | a lot of chinese factories have mininum orders, as do all factories infact | 14:49 |
| baum | parasemic: means they have to buy smaller quantitys for a higher price | 14:49 |
| baum | going by your logic noone could by prototyping pcbs | 14:49 |
| parasemic | it may be too expensive to start the production to even concider selling under 1000 units, or the price would be more than the actual phone | 14:49 |
| parasemic | well prototype costs are included into the final product | 14:50 |
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| parasemic | i mean, when ordering anything from chinese the costly thing for them isn't the production itself but setting up the factory "lines" for that product. so the first order has to be worthwile and demand needs to stay good enough for them to hold onto producing them | 14:51 |
| parasemic | im pretty certain jolla cant meet the demand they could require for such a part like a battery | 14:51 |
| parasemic | wish they could have just used some standard battery like everyone else ... -.-' | 14:51 |
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| parasemic | taken ive not heard anyone say their jollas battery needed replacing, the overall amount of replacement batteries they need for say a year could be under 100 units. they likely got those with the initial order, so if they sold them away they would be fucked incase anyone needed warranty replacement | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: standard battery? lol | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | there is no such thing | 14:53 |
| baum | parasemic: i don't think so - i already ordered a 12 pices pcb batch from china, the quantity wasn't a problem at all - the price was simply a bit higher | 14:53 |
| baum | pretty sure it's the same thing with batterys | 14:54 |
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| ggabriel | i think it's significantly different | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | maybe somebody with chemistry background can fill in | 14:54 |
| parasemic | id think a battery is way more complicated of a product than just some pcb | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | what are the industrial constraints of manufacturing lipo batteries | 14:54 |
| lainwir3d | i don't think so, i think it's pretty much standard nowadays | 14:55 |
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| lainwir3d | just the mechanical layout of the battery change for most of them | 14:55 |
| parasemic | either way, a custom pcb doesn't really require much of any change in the overall factory lining, especially if the factory is specialiced in providing custom pcbs for cheap price | 14:56 |
| parasemic | you practically bought their standard item, even if its custom | 14:56 |
| baum | plus - jolla does actually have their batterys - means they managed to get them produced | 14:56 |
| baum | they just decided not to sell them | 14:56 |
| parasemic | but say a factory normally creates only samsung batteries, they need to change a LOT of stuff to create a batch of jolla battery | 14:56 |
| parasemic | im guessing they had one big batch, but cant sell them because getting more would be too expensive for the reasons ive stated | 14:57 |
| flux | so they have decided to minimize the risk involved in producing batteries nobody will buy. though they still have the risk of producing phones with batteries nobody might buy. | 14:57 |
| parasemic | and while there is no "standard battery", there sure as hell are batteries that are constantly being produced by chinese factories, are cheap as such and can be ordered even in smaller (1000 units or so) batches | 15:00 |
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| parasemic | using such when designin a "niche" smartphone would be much wiser | 15:00 |
| ggabriel | there mkust be a place where you can go and say "copy this battery" and they make you one | 15:01 |
| flux | parasemic, well, they imagined maybe tenfold sales numbers.. | 15:01 |
| parasemic | tenfold would still be niche in terms of overall market | 15:01 |
| parasemic | i say jolla has succeeded by not going bankrupt | 15:01 |
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| flux | well, they produced third-party batteries for N900, with plastic molds (twice!) and everything | 15:01 |
| flux | but I guess they didn't succeed either :) | 15:02 |
| flux | I think the thing is that nobody here knows the volumes and costs involved in battery production. | 15:02 |
| flux | to me 1000 pcs sounds a doable batch. at least the plastic molds exist already. | 15:02 |
| parasemic | yeah, but even a 1000 pcs is a big batch if for example 100 units go to warranty replacements and another 100 will be sold | 15:03 |
| parasemic | 800 practically wasted | 15:03 |
| parasemic | sounds reasonable to me not to have them, though ill be very dissapointed if they dont manage to get me one under the counter | 15:04 |
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| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/3584/spare-parts-for-jolla/ | 15:05 |
| flux | did they stop producing phones already? | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | only 229 votes | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | and that isn't only batteries | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | so there you go, no interest | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | one of those is me btw, and i have a spare battery (sorry parasemic - I need it) | 15:06 |
| flux | only 1k upvotes for downloadable maps and turn-by-turn navigation, clearly nobody needs that one either | 15:06 |
| flux | and the rest are only less than 1k, so nobody needs anything :) | 15:06 |
| parasemic | i gave up on t.j.c around a year ago | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | where are the tens of thousands of phones sold? | 15:06 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: because offline maps have 1k and see all the good it did | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: big mistake :) | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: most of what i opened got resolved with fewer votes | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | it depends on implementation complexity | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | (I guess) | 15:08 |
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| flux | in more absolute terms, 1k batteries costs maybe 20k EUR to build? a person's yearly salary in finland is maybe 100k including side costs. | 15:09 |
| mornfall | and 10k to distribute :D | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | 100k? uhm... prolly too much ;) | 15:09 |
| flux | did you account for finnish taxation?-) | 15:10 |
| mornfall | you could try kickstarting batteries for jolla (ahem ahem) | 15:10 |
| narchie | lol | 15:11 |
| mornfall | but yeah, things are starting to look like jolla is just a fancy shell for android apps | 15:11 |
| flux | "JollaPirateBattery KickStarter" | 15:11 |
| mornfall | sailfish* | 15:11 |
| mornfall | especially given the 'get an android map app & deal with it' response on tjc | 15:12 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: for the batteries, at some point in time you just tell yourself "well, they don't seem to bother much" and move on | 15:12 |
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| ggabriel | Tofe: yup, that's apple's strategy for example | 15:13 |
| parasemic | TEN THOUSAND A YEAR, PLEASE THANK GOD | 15:13 |
| Tofe | also, there are multiple tjc posts about this, I didn't upvote them all I realize now | 15:14 |
| parasemic | a hint: nope, not even close | 15:14 |
| mornfall | parasemic: ten thousand a year what? | 15:14 |
| parasemic | hundred* | 15:14 |
| parasemic | im tired. | 15:14 |
| parasemic | anyway, normal finnish wage would be around 24-25k a year minus tax | 15:15 |
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| parasemic | id say <1% gets over 100k | 15:16 |
| flux | parasemic, but did you consider how much it costs for the employer to pay that 25k | 15:17 |
| Miski | parasemic: not from the employers POV, and average Jolla employee might make more than average Finnish employee | 15:17 |
| parasemic | double, roughly | 15:17 |
| flux | I understand the "side costs" for the employer are easily 50% of the total | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | still far from 100k :) | 15:17 |
| flux | and 25k is really low-balling it for a Jolla employee, unless they have very lucrative options program | 15:17 |
| parasemic | well, propably | 15:18 |
| flux | 50k would be quite realistic. a nokia engineer would still get much more. | 15:18 |
| parasemic | yet they produce more value than they cost, otherwise the company would be bankrupt any day | 15:18 |
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| parasemic | ordering a batch of batteries for shit and giggles does not provice value | 15:18 |
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| flux | that is assuming they are income-financed | 15:18 |
| parasemic | well, that may be changed with the russian stuff etc, true | 15:19 |
| parasemic | also im pretty certain jolla cant provide payment that the employers deserve. that's true for majority of startups | 15:19 |
| parasemic | the carrot is more likely the change of gonig higher up if you succees as a company | 15:19 |
| parasemic | and getting to work in a much more enjoyable company with better management | 15:20 |
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| birdzhang_win | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-developer-device-loan-program-starting-soon/ | 15:27 |
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| HtheB | coderus: I couldn't get it to work | 18:23 |
| HtheB | neither did juiceme and CepiPerez... :( | 18:23 |
| HtheB | I'm talking about adding a sound when exiting the app | 18:23 |
| HtheB | I hope that you could help me out on this | 18:24 |
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| coderus | HtheB: okay | 18:31 |
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| Sail0r | damn cutespot is always crashing -.- | 18:33 |
| coderus | HtheB: i remember old sailfishos had some sound when closing app... | 18:33 |
| HtheB | Sail0r: delete the config file, it will work again | 18:36 |
| HtheB | coderus: yeah I know, but it wasn't the sound of the app itself | 18:36 |
| Sail0r | k try it | 18:37 |
| coderus | HtheB: sure, i'm just remembering. I didn't heard this sound for a while. Is it was disabled for all? | 18:37 |
| HtheB | i can still hear that sound when using emulator :P | 18:38 |
| Sail0r | works | 18:39 |
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| coderus | btw, finally, i checked all tracking apps for cycling, and like Rena more :) | 20:12 |
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| kimmoli | Nokius: just add little colors? https://gist.github.com/kimmoli/e02d124c71f36ebbcf75#file-harbour-gistpud-svg | 20:24 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: in the svg? | 20:25 |
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| kimmoli | added green-to-black fade to bg, bronze'ish to clip | 20:26 |
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| kimmoli | https://github.com/kimmoli/gistpud/blob/master/harbour-gistpud.png | 20:31 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: hum | 20:32 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: for kladi --> https://gist.github.com/Nokius/ce2040502471f2a67234 | 20:33 |
| kimmoli | O_o was there something wrong with the original one ?? :- | 20:34 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: oh sorry was looking to me like a placeholder it's not a sailfish like icon sorry forget it | 20:39 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: how about this https://gist.github.com/Nokius/db76da6ae45e39112ecd | 20:39 |
| kimmoli | i'll need some sleep now, fresh eyes tomorrow. (and actually kladi is sailfish-style icon, it just looks like it isn't) | 20:41 |
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| Nokius | kimmoli: me to cu tomorrow :D | 20:42 |
| kimmoli | gn | 20:44 |
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| Nokius | kimmoli: gn8 | 20:55 |
| HtheB | guys, does anyone know what I have to add at "privacy policy" on harbour? | 20:56 |
| raa700_ | copy paste facebookapplegoogle policies | 20:58 |
| sharpneli | Now this is an interesting bug. I have to turn my Jolla off for it to charge | 20:58 |
| sharpneli | If I keep it on it'll happily say 100% battery and shut down the instant I disconnect it, and then it says the battery is empty. | 20:59 |
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| sharpneli | It will only charge when it's turned off | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: that's awkward, contact care | 20:59 |
| sharpneli | It's out of warranty | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | still | 20:59 |
| sharpneli | So I just have to complain | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | i've not heard about this before :) | 20:59 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: did some changes on the kladi | 21:00 |
| * Nokius oh damn its so late | 21:00 | |
| Nokius | gn8 | 21:00 |
| sharpneli | I'll have to see about contacting care. I don't want to be without a cellphone for a long time tho. | 21:01 |
| sharpneli | Maybe my good ol N900 still works | 21:01 |
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| tadzik | Yeah, that's the reason why I didn't send mine | 23:59 |
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