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| pp | omgomgomg tohkbd should arrive next week | 09:40 |
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| ggabriel | waaaat | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | how do you know? | 09:41 |
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| pp | https://twitter.com/dirkvanleersum/status/605668595939569664 | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | nice ,ta | 09:42 |
| pp | finnish scandic layout, check, within first 500, check. | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | nice | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | make a video too :) | 09:43 |
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| FireFly | I should be within the first 500 I think | 09:48 |
| FireFly | nice | 09:48 |
| FireFly | Also fi/se layout | 09:49 |
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| ksj | anyone finding their battery is depleting really, really fast since the last update. my charge was 80% last night before bed, and by the morning the phone was completely dead. I had no wifi or anything stupid running. no android. | 10:42 |
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| Teme | i've noticed that lately it's depleting faster, but i switched to 4G so in my case it's probably that | 10:44 |
| coderus | Teme: 4G should eat a lot less power than 3G and 2G | 10:46 |
| Teme | oh :o | 10:46 |
| Teme | well then... | 10:47 |
| TemeV | In my expriense also 4G increased consumption | 10:47 |
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| TemeV | But this was in the early days of 4G with Jolla | 10:48 |
| TemeV | haven't tried with last few updates | 10:48 |
| wysiwtf | if im not mistaken only a few carriers have enabled voice over LTE yet | 10:49 |
| wysiwtf | which probably means every phone still needs at least an additional GSM connection to receive calls and sms | 10:50 |
| TemeV | if I'm not mistaken LTE is not meant for phone calls at all | 10:51 |
| TemeV | it is only data | 10:51 |
| tbr | LTE doesn't do circuit switched, yes. it does support voice though, but as VoIP. that's what the few VoLTE deployments do. the chipset in the jolla phone does not support it though. | 10:53 |
| TemeV | so there is always two radios on when using LTE vs only one when using 3G? | 10:58 |
| TemeV | it would explain increase in consumption | 10:59 |
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| chem|st | tbr: seriously? | 11:03 |
| tbr | chem|st: yes | 11:04 |
| tbr | TemeV: that's BS | 11:04 |
| chem|st | TemeV: I doubt it | 11:04 |
| tbr | TemeV: what happens is that the network signals the MT "hey there's a call for you, drop to GSM or WCDMA!" | 11:04 |
| chem|st | TemeV: the voice handover is like roaming wifi, some ms to negotiate a channel and off you go | 11:05 |
| tbr | some operators had problems with configuring their networks for this. this led to unpleasant outages for the "lucky" few users who had LTE enabled handsets | 11:05 |
| chem|st | tbr: so the jolla1 hardware is really just a developer device... | 11:06 |
| tbr | chem|st: why? | 11:06 |
| tbr | because it doesn't support $next_technology that wasn't even fully esstablished at the point that it was designed? | 11:07 |
| ruskie | heh | 11:08 |
| chem|st | hmm VoLTE wasn't ready, so was LTE... | 11:08 |
| tbr | you wouldn't call a phone broken because it was designed/built when HSDPA was around and it doesn't support HSUPA. | 11:09 |
| ksj | well....I'm using 3g and always have done, so either way, it's not that | 11:09 |
| chem|st | Jolla released the LTE enabled software update 1 month after I got LTE in my town, the first town with 100%LTE coverage by my provider | 11:09 |
| ksj | I'm wondering if it's to do with the lock screen. that's the only other thing that's changed. I did an update, and also turned on the phone lock for the first time I've had it | 11:09 |
| ksj | either way, the batter doesn't seem to last even 12 hours from a full charge - lying idle all day | 11:10 |
| chem|st | tbr: well the jolla design is now what 3 years old? | 11:10 |
| tbr | ksj: sounds like something is running all the time. I'd check running processes etc. something runs that shouldn't | 11:11 |
| ksj | it's running at an average of just over a watt of power. is that normal with nothing runnning? | 11:14 |
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| chem|st | nope def not! | 11:16 |
| chem|st | ksj: see what processes are hogging the device | 11:17 |
| FireFly | About the thing above, I also recently switched to 4G, and noticed lower battery consumption as well (although this coincided with the last update, so I'm not sure what caused it) | 11:18 |
| chem|st | just over one watt would be ~5-7h stby | 11:18 |
| chem|st | FireFly: LTE uses significantly less power for me | 11:18 |
| chem|st | one reason may be that the LTE coverage is better than 3g | 11:19 |
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| coderus | `. | 11:22 |
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| vrutkovs | chem|st: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Powertop#Tips_and_tricks might help reducing power consumption | 11:38 |
| FireFly | good point | 11:39 |
| TemeV | tbr, chem|st: Ok, thanks for clarification. I really have no idea how that stuff works :) I was just wondering reason for increased battery consumption with 4G.. | 11:41 |
| vrutkovs | after tuning it shows 1.24 W, not bad | 11:43 |
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| FireFly | How much before (roughly)? | 11:52 |
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| chem|st | vrutkovs: thanks but that is ksj 's problem not mine | 12:05 |
| chem|st | TemeV: circuit switched fallback, if implemented correctly you do not recognize anything, before and after the call you are in 4g | 12:06 |
| TemeV | yeah, I got that | 12:07 |
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| h4PPYC4T | recently i noticed some Cache.Trash.xxxxxxx folder in .mozilla/mozembed - seems as a new folder is created everytime i close the browser. if i clear the personal-data in the (browser-)settings those Cache.Trash-folder remain - can anyone explain the reason of those folder to me? | 14:57 |
| h4PPYC4T | i'm just curious because those folder seem a bit like a waste of space. i'm not using the jolla-browser frequently, hence the question. | 14:58 |
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| h4PPYC4T | maybe those folder get purged automatically after a while? would be interesting to know. | 14:59 |
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| ggabriel | h4PPYC4T: i've only got 2 directories of <25MB each. I do use the stock browser a lot, so nothing to worry about from my side | 15:03 |
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| ggabriel | in fact, the whole ~/.mozilla is <100MB | 15:04 |
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| coderus | h4PPYC4T: cache trash is veru critical folder :) | 15:09 |
| h4PPYC4T | ggabriel: weird. i checked it again - and here a new Cache.Trash-folder gets created everytime i start the browser. | 15:10 |
| h4PPYC4T | coderus: ;) i bet it's not important, but each of those folder is like 12MB big. so after a while it might get a problem. | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | h4PPYC4T: are you deleting them? | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | or rather: what's the maximum amount of directories that you've ever had? | 15:15 |
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| h4PPYC4T | i just deleted them. because i was curious - the oldest of those folders was from 27th may. i just remembered that i tried to change the default.browser back then via a modification of /usr/share/applications/open-url.desktop | 15:26 |
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| h4PPYC4T | i just noticed that the ownership/group of open-url.desktop was nemo instead of root. so i just changed it back to root. otherwise that file should be original. | 15:27 |
| h4PPYC4T | and yeah, changing the group/ownership didn't change that strange Cache.Trash-behavior. then again, maybe it needs a reboot. ;) i will check that. | 15:29 |
| truls | kjetilho: any idea if bankid will work on jolla? | 15:29 |
| kjetilho | truls: it works, but it's a bit finnicky if you dismiss the dialog by accident | 15:30 |
| truls | cool, thanks. my provider gets bankid now - looking forward to try it | 15:31 |
| kjetilho | oh, sorry. I meant "Bankid for mobil", not Bankid | 15:31 |
| truls | yeah so did i | 15:32 |
| kjetilho | good | 15:32 |
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| ggabriel | h4PPYC4T: well, if they are meant to be there and you delete them, it makes sense that they get created | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | like I said, I use the browser and I only have 2 | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | that's <1% of storage | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | ok, i did this mobile survey :P i may have exaggerated a thing or two | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | and i told them off for asking so many android questions. who cares about android :P | 15:35 |
| h4PPYC4T | ggabriel: with 2 you mean two "Cache"-folders (Cache and cache2) or 2 Cache.Trash folders? | 15:37 |
| h4PPYC4T | and no, i don't think that it is normal behavior that another/new Cache.Trash folder is getting created when i launch the browser. | 15:38 |
| h4PPYC4T | there seem to be no limit... | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | h4PPYC4T: I mean 2 Cache.Trash-something folders | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | and yes, it could be normal behaviour, regardless of your opinion :) just check the code if you're curious | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | or try to leave them and check in a month or so to see how many more you have | 15:40 |
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| h4PPYC4T | ;) | 15:41 |
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| h4PPYC4T | okay...interesting, maybe i was too hasty. i opened and more or less directly closed the browser while "investigating" the folder-creation. if the browser is opened for a longer period of time those Cache.Trash folders eventually get deleted. | 15:55 |
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| h4PPYC4T | since i never really used that browser longer than 1 minute it would explain why there were several Cache.Trash folder when i noticed them for the first time. | 15:59 |
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| h4PPYC4T | that the oldest one was from the 27.05 might be just a coincidence. | 16:00 |
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| h4PPYC4T | ggabriel,coderus: anyways, thx for "listening" :) | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | h4PPYC4T: np, normally these things happen and it's ok so long as there's something that deletes old/unnecessary stuff | 16:03 |
| h4PPYC4T | yep. indeed. | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/02/acer-diaperpie-intel-edison/ | 17:20 |
| HtheB | diarrhea pie? | 17:21 |
| HtheB | soon they want us to put a chip in the ass of the babies.... | 17:22 |
| kimmoli | internet of pre-toilets | 17:22 |
| HtheB | kimmoli got some time? | 17:24 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | https://twitter.com/reviewjolla/status/605805980522180609 | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | First 3rd party manufacturer for Sailfish OS phones announced before summer holidays. News coming up soon - follow up! #Jolla #SailfishOS | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | 1 Retweet 0 Favoriten | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Now I need to scrap my Sony Xperia Z3+ plans :D | 18:44 |
| coderus | still yotaphone news? | 18:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not sure | 18:47 |
| coderus | orly? | 18:48 |
| Hartzi | I believe it's yotaphone | 18:48 |
| coderus | would be interesting to develop apps for many deices | 18:50 |
| coderus | devices* | 18:50 |
| juiceme | nice to see what's coming up. Not that I need another device yet :) | 18:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I do, I need more RAM :D | 18:51 |
| coderus | juiceme: i need a tablet :) | 18:51 |
| Nokius | :) | 18:52 |
| locusf | hmm I could potentially have 4 tablets running sfos 2.0, 2 Jolla tablets and 2 Samsung ones (gtab2, note8) | 18:52 |
| locusf | its reasonable too as store opens for ported devices after 2.0 launch | 18:53 |
| coderus | nned more tablets1 | 18:53 |
| juiceme | Today I thought of it (if there was another Jolla device upcoming) for a while as I noticed that my battery had depleted faster than I thought it should... so if maybe it was getting a bit old. Then I remembered I had been running the vncserver the whole day, forgot to switch it off last night, and that's one process that hogs CPU really bad :) | 18:53 |
| juiceme | coderus, I've got my Nexus7 running SFOS and soon the Jolla tablet... plenty of tablets there :) | 18:54 |
| coderus | juiceme: i never owned any tablet in my life, so | 18:54 |
| juiceme | :o | 18:55 |
| juiceme | well to tell the truth, a good phone trumps a tablet IMHO | 18:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | more ram, less battery bugs, better display, faster cpu :D | 18:56 |
| juiceme | a tablet needs to be large to be good, and when it's large you never take it with you :) | 18:56 |
| juiceme | Morpog_PC__, why it is no manufacturer offers that precise combination? :p | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC__ | one day it will happen :D | 18:57 |
| Obi-Lan | jolla made 10mil eur loss last year | 18:59 |
| juiceme | most startup companies make loss during the first years, it is the hope that some day they'll climb up to black that keeps investors pumping money into them. | 19:01 |
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| Nokius | Obi-Lan: source? | 19:03 |
| Obi-Lan | http://www.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/jollan-myyntiarviot-menivat-rankasti-metsaan/rxqTMprG?utm_source=iltalehti.fi&utm_medium=boksi&utm_campaign=AlmaInternal | 19:03 |
| HtheB | juiceme, got a sec? | 19:03 |
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| Nokius | Obi-Lan: 10 mil sounds recitalist but for startups normal | 19:05 |
| juiceme | HtheB, sure | 19:05 |
| Nokius | Obi-Lan: some work mates got bit crazy today when they saw the 6wunderkinder news :D sold to M$ for 200mil (know for wunderlist a todo appliaction/service) | 19:06 |
| Obi-Lan | online service? | 19:09 |
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| Obi-Lan | in same article somebody from jolla says that they will announce first vendor using sailfishos "before summer holidays" | 19:12 |
| Obi-Lan | which I think most likely means in june | 19:12 |
| chem|st | Nokius: is that this awesome (actually a phone ERP) todo list? | 19:18 |
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| Nokius | chem|st: never used it but heard today the word awesome :) | 19:20 |
| Nokius | Obi-Lan: when starts summer holiday season in Finland? | 19:21 |
| Obi-Lan | in july | 19:21 |
| chem|st | I have seen a docu about a company doing the most sophisticated todo list for android and iOS, second iteration was already to completely hook up with documents and contacts | 19:22 |
| chem|st | they made millions with the todolist, took some years to get there but in the end it paid off | 19:23 |
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| Nokius | chem|st: yeap | 19:24 |
| Nokius | Obi-Lan: may we will see it then in july | 19:24 |
| chem|st | yeah I think that is that wunderlist at least the design seems familiar | 19:24 |
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| Nokius | damn page no transaltion possible | 19:25 |
| chem|st | Nokius: jolla should hire them | 19:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | too late | 19:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | bought off by Microsoft :D | 19:26 |
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| Nokius | chem|st: why? | 19:26 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC__: did they buy the company or the product? | 19:27 |
| Nokius | the idea | 19:27 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | as far as I understood the whole company | 19:27 |
| chem|st | Nokius: everything M$ touches mobile wise goes down so far | 19:27 |
| Nokius | the user :D | 19:27 |
| chem|st | so they bought wunderlist, not 6wunderkinder | 19:28 |
| Nokius | I heard the mobile client for outlook (also bourgt) is ok | 19:28 |
| Nokius | so 6wunderkinder is at point 0 | 19:29 |
| Obi-Lan | I've thinking getting surface | 19:29 |
| chem|st | Obi-Lan: does debian run on it? | 19:29 |
| Obi-Lan | dunno, dont care | 19:29 |
| chem|st | does linux boot? | 19:29 |
| Nokius | javispedro runs linux on it but not sure wich version | 19:30 |
| Obi-Lan | in youtube there are some videos on pro version atleast | 19:30 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well latest surface non pro is x86 too | 19:30 |
| Obi-Lan | yes | 19:30 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC__: that is not the issue the issue is how that thing boots | 19:31 |
| chem|st | UEFI? | 19:31 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sure, I guess it's locked up with secureboot bullshit | 19:31 |
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| chem|st | I guess you have a hard time to sign your stuff so you can actually boot something else than colera ehrm pest ehrm windows | 19:32 |
| Obi-Lan | at some point I tested that opensuse, uefi + secureboot worked with certain releases | 19:35 |
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| chem|st | M$ tried to lock it down, don't know if they finally succeeded with their own hardware | 19:37 |
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| Obi-Lan | you can always buy some funky chinese tablet with linux :P | 19:46 |
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| Nokius | gn8 | 19:49 |
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| HtheB | guys, does anyone know how I can make the pulley menu NOT stick when it reaches the end on my app? | 20:12 |
| HtheB | how can I set that property? | 20:12 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I don't think thats possible | 20:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but you could just not set height | 20:22 |
| HtheB | Morpog_PC__: what do you mean not set height? | 20:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | last time I did code a little for SFOS, if I didn't set a height, it would be just an endless space of pulldown area | 20:25 |
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| HtheB | Morpog_PC__: if I have 1 option in the pulley meny, will it select that option? | 20:26 |
| HtheB | if that is so, that might solve my problem as well | 20:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | you can set that | 20:26 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | HtheB, https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-pulldownmenu.html/#quickSelect-prop | 20:27 |
| HtheB | aha | 20:28 |
| HtheB | quickSelect : bool | 20:28 |
| HtheB | When true, quickSelect prevents locking the menu open when the end is reached in menus with a single option. | 20:28 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Thats what I just linked :D | 20:28 |
| HtheB | and thats were I got it from :p | 20:28 |
| HtheB | just wanted to paste it here so it will be logged xD | 20:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ah ok :D | 20:29 |
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| HtheB | thnx btw! | 20:29 |
| HtheB | i think my app is almost done now | 20:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | You're welcome | 20:29 |
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| HtheB | anyone still here around? | 23:55 |
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