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| chris37879 | So, I heard about some new Sailfish OS announcements and decided to give the OS a look again. I must say I'm disappointed at the misleading advertising on sailfish.org. "Sailfish OS can run Android™ applications." No. It can't. Jolla Sailfish can, but the actual opensource project that I can use on my Nexus 5 cannot. The typical answer I see is "Buy a Jolla Phone." And I'd love to, but they don't sell them in the US. | 00:07 |
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| chris37879 | Does anyone know if Jolla has said anything about this? Are they planning on maybe putting the Android Support app up in the store as a paid option for everyone? | 00:07 |
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| lpotter | Myriad develops and controls aliendalvik | 00:22 |
| lpotter | I haven't heard any talk about doing that, but perhaps when the store gets paid app support, they might do that | 00:23 |
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| Nicd- | I ran into some strange behaviour yesterday | 07:33 |
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| Nicd- | I tried calling a person and they were taking another call, so it said "the person is speaking on the phone, please hold" for a while before it disconnected | 07:34 |
| Nicd- | after the call ended, every time the whole mobile connection died | 07:34 |
| Nicd- | this happened at least 4 times | 07:35 |
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| Nicd- | woohoo, Pitot is in the Jolla app store :) | 09:59 |
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| flux | nicd-, congratulations! can you describe what you're feeling now? | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | overwhelming joy | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | also shame because the app's about page says 1.0.1 while it's actually 1.0.3 :D | 10:02 |
| Nicd- | forgot to increment it | 10:02 |
| nazanin | :P | 10:02 |
| Mikaela | that is probably good reason for releasing 1.0.4? :P | 10:03 |
| Mikaela | or 1.0.3.1 | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | yes, 1.0.4 :D | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | I will update it to say 1.0.3 ;) | 10:03 |
| Mikaela | then you will need 1.0.5 too! | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | it never ends | 10:03 |
| Mikaela | minor design issue | 10:04 |
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| birdzhang | bash: line 1: 5492 Segmentation fault DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1 /usr/bin/harbour-sailfish_sinaweibo | 10:29 |
| birdzhang | Have you guys meet this error ? | 10:29 |
| birdzhang | only show "Segmentation fault DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1",the the Application exit | 10:30 |
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| ggabriel | nope... what application is that? | 10:30 |
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| birdzhang | 10:33 | |
| ggabriel | i'd inform the author | 10:34 |
| birdzhang | like instagram | 10:34 |
| birdzhang | the author also donot know how to resolve it | 10:34 |
| Yaniel | step 1: find out how to reproduce the crash | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | step 2: ??? | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | step 3: profit | 10:35 |
| Yaniel | step 2: run the app in gdb and reproduce the crash | 10:35 |
| birdzhang | gdb? | 10:35 |
| Yaniel | debugger | 10:35 |
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| ggabriel | birdzhang: tried to restart the device? | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | (assuming this is a new application) | 10:36 |
| birdzhang | when sailfish version before 1.1.2.16,this is no this error | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | maybe it's built against an old Qt version then? | 10:37 |
| birdzhang | no,use this latest | 10:38 |
| birdzhang | lastest | 10:38 |
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| ggabriel | ok, the author really needs to get on the case then | 10:39 |
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| birdzhang | yes | 10:39 |
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| birdzhang | another case :https://www.mail-archive.com/devel%40lists.sailfishos.org/msg05866.html | 10:41 |
| birdzhang | the author is offline months | 10:41 |
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| birdzhang | i use gdb and found this: error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment. | 10:55 |
| birdzhang | error: X DG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment. | 10:55 |
| birdzhang | on ubuntu can use "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY gedit" ,how about sailfish ? | 10:56 |
| locusf | so this is in emulator? | 11:00 |
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| locusf | ah in gdb | 11:01 |
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| birdzhang | not emulator | 11:18 |
| birdzhang | [New Thread 0x438353f0 (LWP 19489)] | 11:22 |
| birdzhang | error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment. | 11:22 |
| birdzhang | [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory) | 11:22 |
| birdzhang | XD is "X D" | 11:22 |
| coderus | birdzhang: we're not using gui with smiles, don't worry :) | 11:23 |
| birdzhang | me too :laughing: | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | coderus: speak for yourself, my laptop hugs me for each O and kisses me for each X | 11:23 |
| birdzhang | :sly: | 11:26 |
| coderus | ggabriel: but you still see XO in window, right? :) | 11:28 |
| birdzhang | Segmentation fault DISPLAY=:0.0 QT_NO_JOURNALD_LOG=1 /usr/bin/harbour-xxx | 11:29 |
| birdzhang | please help me resolve it | 11:29 |
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| ggabriel | coderus: by the time I get the kiss and the hug I forget about the window. this reminds me of that japanese t-shirt that was connected via bluetooth to your phone and warmed you up every time somebody sent you love somehow | 11:31 |
| birdzhang | coderus: ou,you're not using gui ... i lost "not" -_-! | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | birdzhang: sorry, above my skills... to me a segfault is tha the program is probably accessing protected memory | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | the real reason could be anything | 11:32 |
| coderus | birdzhang: gdb executable | 11:33 |
| coderus | birdzhang: run | 11:33 |
| coderus | birdzhang: backtrace | 11:33 |
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| coderus | but probalby you will need sources and build in debubg mode and insall with debuginfo package | 11:34 |
| coderus | to get actual backtrace with not stripped anything | 11:34 |
| birdzhang | thank you ,let me try | 11:34 |
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| locusf | also: | 11:35 |
| locusf | set environment XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/100000 | 11:36 |
| locusf | inside gdb | 11:36 |
| birdzhang | yeah | 11:36 |
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| birdzhang | module "xxx.xxx" is not installed ... | 11:46 |
| birdzhang | module is registered at main.cpp | 11:47 |
| birdzhang | amazing | 11:51 |
| birdzhang | :surprised: | 11:51 |
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| coderus | birdzhang: it can be reason of qml fail, not segfault | 12:03 |
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| gabriel9 | swipe from bottom dont work for me anymore :( | 12:05 |
| gabriel9 | anyone have this issue? | 12:05 |
| birdzhang | coderus: i will find it,thank you | 12:06 |
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| ggabriel | gabriel9: nope, works for me | 12:07 |
| gabriel9 | https://together.jolla.com/question/55359/cant-access-notifications/ | 12:08 |
| gabriel9 | damn | 12:08 |
| gabriel9 | what to do now? | 12:08 |
| gabriel9 | there is no chance that i can send it for repair | 12:09 |
| Nicd- | gabriel9: reboot? | 12:09 |
| gabriel9 | did that | 12:10 |
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| chem|st | gabriel9: doubt it is a hardware issue | 12:11 |
| kimmoli | gabriel9: check with paint that can you draw down to bottom edge, or does it end somewhere close? | 12:11 |
| gabriel9 | i can press icons on bottom | 12:12 |
| kimmoli | or check with evdev_trace -t do you get touch input values below visible area on screen? | 12:13 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: that does not tell how far touches are recognized... see if it helps to remove the battery for 10 minutes | 12:13 |
| gabriel9 | will try that also | 12:13 |
| TemeV | I don't see how battery trick would fix touch issues | 12:13 |
| TemeV | it is used to fix the reboot problem | 12:13 |
| TemeV | "fix" | 12:13 |
| kimmoli | it causes mechanical movement/tension release from touchscreen ... if you have stuffed too much paper below battery you certainly cause something | 12:14 |
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| chem|st | TemeV: removing the battery fixes several issues, I never had that reboot issue but a stuck modem, stuck sounds and so on | 12:14 |
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| TemeV | kimmoli: that would make sense | 12:15 |
| gabriel9 | kimolli: bottom of the screen dont work :( | 12:15 |
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| gabriel9 | i am doomed :D | 12:15 |
| kimmoli | try the battery, at least it will reset the capacitive touch for good. allow it to be off for 10 min | 12:16 |
| birdzhang-jolla | Doom,:),maybe we can write a dota2 forum client | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | maybe there is some latchup caused by static tjsp | 12:17 |
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| gabriel9 | dota2 :) | 12:18 |
| gabriel9 | sure :) | 12:18 |
| gabriel9 | and wot client :D | 12:18 |
| gabriel9 | i play to many games... | 12:18 |
| gabriel9 | battery is out, now just wait and pray to the gods of hardware | 12:19 |
| kimmoli | i'm pretty sure this is software problem | 12:20 |
| gabriel9 | i hope that also | 12:21 |
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| kimmoli | it is just my ethic background... | 12:21 |
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| TemeV | everything is a sw problem until proven otherwise | 12:24 |
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| kimmoli | i'd start with user error | 12:24 |
| TemeV | user error until proven to be sw bug | 12:25 |
| kimmoli | failure is not an option. It comes bundled with the software | 12:27 |
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| kimmoli | i have seen (or heard) couple of devices with touch issues on bottom edge, few mm to 1 cm dead | 12:27 |
| kimmoli | sometimes working, mostly not | 12:28 |
| jpakkane | My first device was like that. Though it was about 2cm. | 12:29 |
| gabriel9 | it did not help | 12:31 |
| gabriel9 | great | 12:31 |
| gabriel9 | thanks all for idead | 12:32 |
| gabriel9 | ideas | 12:32 |
| gabriel9 | now i need new phone... | 12:32 |
| politie | iphone 5 | 12:32 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 12:33 |
| politie | iphone 6? | 12:34 |
| gabriel9 | :\ | 12:34 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 12:34 |
| gabriel9 | no no | 12:34 |
| gabriel9 | i dont need that | 12:35 |
| gabriel9 | i just want qml and linux | 12:35 |
| SQUelcher | obeyphone http://www.mydealz.de/42610/acer-aspire-v-nitro-vn7-591g-5727-fuer-799e-156-notebook-mit-fullhd-core-i5-4210h-und-geforce-gtx-960m/ | 12:35 |
| SQUelcher | err | 12:35 |
| SQUelcher | obeyphone ∞, | 12:35 |
| SQUelcher | I hate Windows.. I'm currently on an university computer.. | 12:36 |
| politie | meizu mx4 with the buntu phone | 12:36 |
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| politie | no way to solve gabriel9 his problem with a patch or something? | 13:03 |
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| coderus | politie: duct tape pach? | 13:09 |
| politie | ductape another phone back to back, the other one has the events view permanently | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | politie: events view would look sweet on something like epaper backcover like the yota has it.. | 13:11 |
| politie | yea | 13:12 |
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| gabriel9 | yota is nice :) | 13:20 |
| gabriel9 | but i want my jolla to work :( | 13:21 |
| gabriel9 | is there a way to order new screen | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | nope | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | may be cheaper to buy a new one | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | they may repair it | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | new one | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | damn | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | or they offer you (read: they offered me) a discounted brand new phone | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | at (I think) 200e | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | i sold brand new phone to buy this one :D | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | but you have ot send yours first | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: oh that's clever | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | i live in Bosnia And hercegovina... | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: that's care@j.c... | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | tbh, I'd buy another phone at that price | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | but don't want to send mine in as it still works | 13:24 |
| kimmoli | you'll need to wait that homescreen works in landscape, then you swipe notificatios from long edge ? | 13:25 |
| gabriel9 | that i do now | 13:25 |
| gabriel9 | reotate then swipe :D | 13:25 |
| TemeV | is there way to change resolution :p | 13:26 |
| TemeV | Changing it so that it doesn't use bottom of the screen might work | 13:26 |
| gabriel9 | its a hack | 13:29 |
| TemeV | oh, really? | 13:30 |
| TemeV | :) | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | maybe to add there some notifications | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | like clock | 13:30 |
| gabriel9 | and call it jolla edge | 13:31 |
| gabriel9 | just need to change whole UI :D | 13:31 |
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| politie | you should be able to configure the gestures | 13:33 |
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| politie | coderus you're making mitakuulu right? | 13:49 |
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| gabriel9 | maybe it is time to get a new phone | 14:24 |
| gabriel9 | but there is no Jolla2 | 14:24 |
| Teme | that is currently my situation :( | 14:24 |
| falfa | WE NEED IT! | 14:25 |
| Teme | because of memory issues | 14:25 |
| falfa | NAU! | 14:25 |
| Teme | and i'm kinda sour about the tablet at the moment... forces me to get something that is not Jolla | 14:25 |
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| Teme | when i think that the resources could have been used to release a hardware upgrade to phone users | 14:26 |
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| Teme | instead the phone is pretty much done for after the latest updates taking more and more memory and OOM killer getting wild | 14:27 |
| Teme | it is just intolerable that media player gets killed while the phone is idle in my pocket | 14:28 |
| Teme | sure, you can always say that i should not use Android browsers | 14:28 |
| Teme | but i doubt the normal browser is that much lighter, it gets tabs killed in the background too i hear | 14:28 |
| Teme | since for Opera killing separate tabs is not possible, OOM killer just decides to kill media player | 14:29 |
| Teme | which is about the worst thing to do | 14:29 |
| Mikaela | Have you tried stopping Android support when you don't need it | 14:29 |
| Teme | Mikaela: too much hassle for example in the bus | 14:29 |
| Teme | to stop it every time i put it in my pocket | 14:29 |
| Teme | then get it back after 30s when i remember i need to google something etc | 14:30 |
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| Mikaela | weird, I do that at bus all the time, but now that I think about it ä, I haven't used Android apps so much | 14:30 |
| Teme | i pretty much use only Opera nowadays | 14:30 |
| Teme | a few months back it used to be ok with both Opera and Skype running all the time | 14:30 |
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| Teme | now just Opera seems to be enough to trigger OOM killer :/ | 14:31 |
| Mikaela | have you tried requesting native versions? | 14:31 |
| Teme | native versions of... Opera? | 14:31 |
| Teme | i find that pretty pointless tbh | 14:31 |
| Teme | to ask for it | 14:31 |
| Mikaela | of course that isn't a solution, but if enough many people asked... | 14:31 |
| Mikaela | yes | 14:31 |
| Mikaela | I see | 14:31 |
| Teme | solution for me would be just to throw more hardware at it... but not up to me :( | 14:32 |
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| Teme | but i gotta jump in the Oneplusone -bandwagon pretty soon | 14:35 |
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| gabriel9 | i dont know what to get next | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | you guys buy phones more often i buy shirts :P | 14:47 |
| gabriel9 | N9 was the best phone ever LD | 14:47 |
| gabriel9 | in my whole life i had 4 phones | 14:47 |
| gabriel9 | and i am 30 years old | 14:47 |
| gabriel9 | damn i am old :/ | 14:47 |
| SQUelcher | I'm still using my E90 :P | 14:47 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: n900 was best phone ever so far | 14:47 |
| chem|st | what I would buy in a heartbeat would be a PsionSFOS phone... but sadly they stopped doing consumer hardware... | 14:48 |
| Joonaa | Hey, does anyone know how much battery media player should be using when playing music? My phone was getting really hot and battery went down to 30% today :L | 14:49 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: that is probably related to something else at the same time | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | Joonaa: mp3? | 14:49 |
| Joonaa | flac | 14:49 |
| Joonaa | chem|st: yeah, i rebooted the phone and it seemed to be better, didnt really see anything weird in processes though | 14:50 |
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| chem|st | I only get a hot device when installing upgrades and charging at the same time | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | how many mAh was it jolla1 has again? | 14:50 |
| chem|st | or GPS + online maps | 14:50 |
| chem|st | 3700 | 14:50 |
| chem|st | ? | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | no, 2100 | 14:51 |
| gabriel9 | what is the best phone for Sailfish os? | 14:51 |
| Joonaa | hmm, weird... ill keep an eye on it i guess | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | jolla? | 14:51 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: jolla atm... | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | Joonaa: should be able to do 40-ish hours of playback | 14:51 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 14:51 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: if non jolla probably a nexus5 | 14:51 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: was internet connection on? | 14:52 |
| gabriel9 | i dont know where to repair my jolla | 14:52 |
| Joonaa | chem|st yes | 14:52 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: where are you from | 14:52 |
| Joonaa | wlan | 14:52 |
| gabriel9 | so nexus is then | 14:52 |
| Joonaa | wifi, whatever | 14:52 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: hot is usually traffic, lots of | 14:52 |
| Joonaa | hmm, thats weird | 14:52 |
| chem|st | gabriel9: when in EU you are still in warranty | 14:52 |
| Joonaa | i only had whatsapp and meecast running | 14:53 |
| gabriel9 | is BiH in EU? | 14:53 |
| gabriel9 | we are part of EU | 14:53 |
| gabriel9 | but not member of EU | 14:53 |
| gabriel9 | is it still worth? | 14:53 |
| chem|st | where did you buy it? | 14:54 |
| gabriel9 | thats the catch: from friend friend in Luxemburg | 14:54 |
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| gabriel9 | frieds friend | 14:54 |
| chem|st | that is then within EU warranties | 14:54 |
| gabriel9 | i cant go to Luxemburg, and i dont know how to contact that guy there... | 14:55 |
| gabriel9 | maybe to ask Jolla support | 14:55 |
| chem|st | you contact care at jolla | 14:55 |
| gabriel9 | will do that tonight\ | 14:55 |
| chem|st | yes, it does not matter where you are it does matter where you bought it BUT I don't know about terms for 2nd hand devices as usually full warranty is only for the initial buyer | 14:56 |
| gabriel9 | i got my phone unpacked | 14:56 |
| gabriel9 | and it was not used | 14:57 |
| gabriel9 | you would not belive what i did to get it to... | 14:57 |
| chem|st | are you the original receipient? | 14:57 |
| gabriel9 | no | 14:57 |
| gabriel9 | i will ask support | 14:57 |
| chem|st | that you can remember for the next time, if you order something like that, your name needs to be on the invoice! | 14:58 |
| gabriel9 | i could not order it in my country... | 14:58 |
| chem|st | I stop explaining, think it through yourself | 14:59 |
| gabriel9 | you are right, i made mistake with that order. | 15:00 |
| gabriel9 | but there was no other way to get it... | 15:00 |
| chem|st | you need to get the initial guy to send it in, then you may get it repaired | 15:05 |
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| coderus | politie: maybe | 15:59 |
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| politie | Its nice | 16:20 |
| politie | Wanted to ask if i could import multiple historys from other clients | 16:20 |
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| coderus | politie: database is not encrypted | 16:25 |
| coderus | do what you want :) | 16:25 |
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| politie | Allright thanks man | 16:26 |
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| HtheB | coderus: ping | 19:28 |
| coderus | HtheB: pong | 19:29 |
| HtheB | since you were very popular with symbian right? | 19:29 |
| HtheB | - since | 19:29 |
| HtheB | coderus: you were very popular with symbian right? | 19:31 |
| HtheB | what about ngage? | 19:31 |
| coderus | HtheB: no | 19:32 |
| coderus | only some 9.2 devices and S^3 | 19:32 |
| HtheB | ah alright | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/19/8624901/russia-mobile-os-sailfish-jolla-tizen | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | where do I apply for such a grant? ;) | 19:37 |
| coderus | really :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | a bit clearer | 19:39 |
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| lpotter | russian ministry for really cool grants, maybe? | 19:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | makes a bit more sense | 19:45 |
| HtheB | tizen? | 19:45 |
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| pp | "sailfish is our os of choice" ~= "there are no russian infidels in ukraine", alas | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | i miss the iraqi information minister. | 20:41 |
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| HtheB | dirkvl: yo | 22:02 |
| dirkvl | hello | 22:02 |
| HtheB | wadup | 22:02 |
| dirkvl | not much | 22:02 |
| dirkvl | midnight dive in to the wonderful world of i2c | 22:02 |
| dirkvl | and hex-bin conversions | 22:03 |
| HtheB | watched eurovision? | 22:03 |
| HtheB | trijntje failed :p | 22:03 |
| dirkvl | i refrain myself from watching that disgrace to humanity | 22:05 |
| HtheB | rofl | 22:05 |
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| HtheB | what I dont understand: wtf is Australia doing at EUROvision? | 22:05 |
| dirkvl | wtf is anyone doing there | 22:05 |
| HtheB | singing? :P | 22:05 |
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| HtheB | well, good that Turkey doesn't join it anymore | 22:05 |
| HtheB | since like 3 years | 22:06 |
| HtheB | like you said, it's ridiculous | 22:06 |
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| dirkvl | i praise them for doing that | 22:06 |
| dirkvl | and all other countries should follow there lead | 22:06 |
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| HtheB | oh dirkvl | 22:28 |
| dirkvl | :) | 22:29 |
| HtheB | wanneer zal ik de geleende toetsenbord terug sturen? | 22:29 |
| dirkvl | ha | 22:29 |
| dirkvl | wat moet ik daar mee :p | 22:30 |
| HtheB | je zei wil je lenen, dus daar ging ik er ook van uit ^^ | 22:30 |
| * HtheB keeps it as a souvenir for my collection then :D | 22:30 | |
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| HtheB | dirkvl: Thanks! | 22:45 |
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| dirkvl | no problemo | 22:50 |
| dirkvl | entering sleep mode | 22:50 |
| dirkvl | sudo sleep | 22:50 |
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