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| kimmoli | jcbjoe: don't you have some flat-rate boxes? or check calculator on some courier site? | 05:15 |
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| Nicd- | freaking OOM | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | it has never been this bad for me | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | opened i.reddit.com with the stock browser, from there opened a youtube page and started watching the video | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | after 5 minutes: *boom* all apps except phone app are dead | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | also I seem to have lost all vibration feedback from the lock screen | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | except the last enter when I unlock | 08:33 |
| Yaniel | wtf | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | yeah, my browser keeps killing all apps with OOM whenever I browse | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | starts with zombifying tabs and then after a while it dies, sometimes taking other apps with it | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | I'm not even viewing javascript-heavy or bloated sites. mainly just i.reddit.com and imgur images | 08:34 |
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| TemeV | Oom killer was once killing my browser all the time while I was using it | 08:49 |
| TemeV | I killed alien dalvik and then it worked again | 08:49 |
| TemeV | Was there an app for adjusting the oom killer parameters? | 08:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | oom killer is killing lots of things for me atm | 09:20 |
| r0kk3rz | i cant seem to have more than 2 apps open | 09:20 |
| r0kk3rz | or sometimes it kills the browser whilst im using it | 09:20 |
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| Nicd- | happens to me too | 09:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems to have gotten worse in the latest upgrade | 09:23 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder if its just gecko being a massive memory hog, or whether they tweaked the oomkiller | 09:24 |
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| trigpoint | Is there a way to synch the phonebook and calendar with Evolution? | 09:57 |
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| minimec | trigpoint: https://openrepos.net/content/ovekaaven/syncevolution | 10:03 |
| minimec | trigpoint: http://wied.it/blog/caldav-and-carddav-sync-with-jolla-phone-syncevolution-and-zimbra-zcs-owncloud-and-ssl.html | 10:03 |
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| rednan | still no luck getting my battery back online. It has been trying to charge for 15 hours now | 11:03 |
| Sail0r | did you clean the contacts? | 11:04 |
| tbr | computer usb port or charger? | 11:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i think its dead jim | 11:07 |
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| tadzik | it discharged so badly it doesn't even :( | 11:16 |
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| tbr | hmm? | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | take out battery, hold down volume down button, put it into usb of a computer; does it respond? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | should go into fastboot mode | 11:28 |
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| rednan | it replies to fastboot mode | 11:32 |
| rednan | It seems the battery is dead | 11:32 |
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| tbr | if you have access to a lab power supply you could trickle charge it very carefully | 11:33 |
| rednan | I don't ... | 11:34 |
| r0kk3rz | real shame you cant buy replacement batteries | 11:34 |
| Sail0r | contact care | 11:35 |
| Sail0r | maybe they help you out | 11:35 |
| rednan | I already did yesterday. Seems they're closed in the weekends | 11:36 |
| tbr | and probably no volt-meter either? | 11:37 |
| rednan | Nope | 11:37 |
| rednan | I could try to test it somewhere tomorrow | 11:37 |
| rednan | However, I'm now unreachable | 11:37 |
| tbr | I'd again try to clean the battery contacts, insert it into the phone and try charging it | 11:44 |
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| rednan | The contacts seem clean | 11:46 |
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| TemeV | can you measure the voltage of the battery? | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | rednan: dont let that fool you | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | clean them anyway | 11:56 |
| rednan | What with? | 11:56 |
| svuorela | so. I'm at a talk about sailfish. any funny questions to ask ? | 11:57 |
| tadzik | svuorela: where do you sit? :) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: say hi to sletta | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:58 |
| tadzik | (oh, he's standing :P) | 11:59 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: :) | 12:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Night people \o/ | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Finally connected on freenode from China | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | where in china are you visiting? | 12:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: Beijing, visiting family | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Went to Shanghai | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | too | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | never been to beijing yet | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | or shanghai.. one day | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Both city are very nice | 12:24 |
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| rednan | Does my jolla charge while in fastboot? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't necessarily | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | it would in recovery mode | 12:27 |
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| trigpoint | minimec: Great thanks | 12:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as a bonus: accessing jolla.com is slow or basically impossible because of jolla.com using font.googleapis.com | 12:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or it seems | 12:54 |
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| tadzik | Confirmed: SFOS 2.0 can handle more than 9 apps on the homescreen :) | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | source? | 12:57 |
| tadzik | and that's probably why you swipe down to get apps | 12:57 |
| tadzik | Yaniel: I just tried on the MWC build :) | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | ah | 12:57 |
| tadzik | s/swipe down/swipe from bottom/ | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure we'll screw that up one way or the other :p | 12:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | btw is there going to be a newer wayland version in 2.0? | 12:59 |
| Yaniel | as in one that has xdg_shell instead of wl_shell | 12:59 |
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| tadzik | also: there *is* now a global gesture going straight to eventsview, opt-in | 13:02 |
| tadzik | so nothing to rant about anymore, boo! | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: which one? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | out of morbid curiousity, any of you here who design games? | 13:05 |
| Yaniel | yes | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | (that's why I'm asking about wayland too ^^) | 13:06 |
| anonfriese | well i did a tetris-port once, does that count? ;) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm trying to do games | 13:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | out of my scope sadly :( | 13:11 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: the swipe-from-left | 13:31 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: and yes, I do games for a week now :) | 13:31 |
| tadzik | (as a job) | 13:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps interesting turn of phrase | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | but i guess game developers are a bit of a masochistic bunch | 13:50 |
| tadzik | how so? | 13:50 |
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| tadzik | I will never know :) | 13:53 |
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| tadzik | r0kk3rz: how so? | 13:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | mixture of things really, their target market (gamers) are a bit of a tough audience | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | and the projects have a history of getting very out of hand | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | having to deal with publishers | 13:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | mobile games might be a bit different, but in general it sounds like a pretty stressful way to make a living | 13:55 |
| Yaniel | indeed | 13:56 |
| tadzik | well, dealing with audience/publishers is not something developers themselves do, unless they are a one-man army doing everything | 13:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | not directly | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | but they still get pushed for stupid deadlines by said publishers, or cop flack from gamers about something stupid | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | or get raided by swat teams because they dared to be female and develop games | 13:59 |
| tadzik | well, I don't think it's much different for working with generic clients and generic users | 13:59 |
| tadzik | having worked for a browser company I've seen both :) | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | of course it exists elsewhere | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | ive been pretty lucky (skillful) to avoid places like that | 14:00 |
| tadzik | I don't think that games are in any way special | 14:00 |
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| tadzik | from developers' perspective it's really the same shit as everywhere else | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | possibly, i think its maybe easier to get really nebulous requirements and scope creep in games development | 14:03 |
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| tadzik | maybe | 14:03 |
| tadzik | getting a bit on-topic (sorry :)), how's your music player doing r0kk3rz? | 14:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | i work in industrial control, we've been building the same piece of software for a good decade or so | 14:04 |
| temmi_foo | again and again? | 14:05 |
| tadzik | is software ever finished? | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | true, but with games, you need to get to a finished state, and then ship it | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_foo: basically. | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | technology changes, things that were in favor 10 years ago arent in favor now | 14:07 |
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| jcbjoe | kimmoli: i will look into that now | 14:29 |
| jcbjoe | question i have jollas address but im looking for the postal code | 14:36 |
| jcbjoe | its written diffrent then we have in the states | 14:36 |
| jcbjoe | 00380 Helsinki | 14:36 |
| jcbjoe | is that a zip code ? | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like | 14:37 |
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| kimmoli | yes | 14:38 |
| temmi_foo | if you want, you can write it like: FIN-00380 | 14:39 |
| temmi_foo | one pet peeve of mine are annoying software that insist on knowing better than me how my address should be written | 14:40 |
| temmi_foo | ... such as the earlier jolla here maps, which liked to put the house number before street name | 14:40 |
| temmi_foo | this is just not done | 14:40 |
| r0kk3rz | well, unless you've travelled, its easy to assume that all address formats are the way yours is done | 14:41 |
| r0kk3rz | which is a very very poor assumption | 14:41 |
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| jcbjoe | so im sending my jolla to finland to get it replaced .. my concen is this line | 14:41 |
| jcbjoe | * If you send in your phone from outside of the supported (ship to) countries, please note that Jolla has no control over customs, nor are we able to provide documentation that might be required to ship the phone to Finland and back into your country. We suggest you send in your phone from a supported ship-to country. | 14:41 |
| jcbjoe | ^ | 14:41 |
| jcbjoe | jolla wrote me that | 14:41 |
| temmi_foo | r0kk3rz: thing is, the jolla company is finnish and they should know at least the finnish way of writing addresses | 14:42 |
| r0kk3rz | they should, and they're using here maps which is also finnish company | 14:42 |
| temmi_foo | indeed | 14:43 |
| kimmoli | customs is pita. sending to finland, value less than 20€ is not charged for additional VAT | 14:43 |
| kimmoli | you can make customs paperwork that it will be replaced etc, but i don't know how it is done from US | 14:44 |
| jcbjoe | should i just give up and buy another jolla | 14:44 |
| jcbjoe | it seems like a nightmare to ship it and get it back | 14:44 |
| r0kk3rz | not a guaranteed nightmare, just a potential one | 14:45 |
| kimmoli | i think it would be easiest to send it some private person with some flat-rate box (with tracking) USPS takes ages though. | 14:46 |
| kimmoli | fill a CN-22 form with total value (shipping + contents) 20€ | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | surely if customs says no, then its return to sender? | 14:47 |
| kimmoli | ship without battery | 14:47 |
| kimmoli | customs dont say no, they just want VAT payment | 14:48 |
| r0kk3rz | even if its not a purchase? | 14:48 |
| tadzik | is it just me, or selecting the email sync schedule doesn't do anything? | 14:49 |
| tadzik | clicking on 'every 5 minutes' doesn't seem to do anything | 14:49 |
| kimmoli | and your busy schedule is active? | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: redo email account | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | happened to me once | 14:50 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: I'll try, thanks | 14:50 |
| tadzik | kimmoli: none is | 14:50 |
| Jupp3 | jcbjoe: And of course that 20e value should include postage | 14:55 |
| Jupp3 | Of course if it's paid (by you) repairs, might want to check prices for second hand units for comparison... | 14:56 |
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| kimmoli | yeah.. example: order from digikey for >65€ (say 70€) to get free shipping. Finnish customs take VAT from 70+18€ as digikey says its shipping costs that much, even you don't pay it ... | 14:58 |
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| Mikaela | Has anyone else had issue where the Jolla is unable to access network at all, but you can access it with SSH? This only happens with WLAN and I have had this for longer time and I thought that the issue was that it only is able to connect to network at home WLAN, but it's not and the only thing I have done at home WLAN has been scping bus tickets | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: what icon does the wifi connection have? | 19:28 |
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| coderus | Mikaela: yes i had, by some reason it can't use router dns, setting own nameserver in resolv.conf solved it | 19:29 |
| Mikaela | normal connected, full bars | 19:29 |
| Mikaela | coderus: Thanks, I will try that | 19:30 |
| * Mikaela had somehow been thinking that you cannot edit it even if she has chattr +i:ed it on all other devices | 19:31 | |
| Mikaela | I assume it has the same limitation as other Linuxes that I know and only allows me to specify three | 19:31 |
| coderus | normal linux, just devel-su/sudo o get root and edit it | 19:32 |
| Obi-Lan | i cannot login into jolla shop | 19:33 |
| Mikaela | thanks, works on home network and I will see bus network tomorrow | 19:34 |
| Obi-Lan | after accepting terms, it kicks me back to login screen | 19:34 |
| Mikaela | actually also works on the guest network where I connected, so it was very likely that as I don't think it worked before | 19:35 |
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| juhaj | I do realise this is not quite the right place to ask this, but as I know a lot of N9/N900 users changed to Jolla, I thought maybe it isn't too far off topic: | 19:47 |
| juhaj | Does anyone know if Nokia has shut its Store and accounts lately? I cannot seem to log on from the N9 anymore | 19:48 |
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| juhaj | Ah, google knows: Nokia Account will be discontinued on 24 April 2015. In its place, you can now create a Microsoft Account at http://login.live.com. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. | 19:49 |
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| scottc | crack in my jolla's screen... :( | 20:46 |
| scottc | anyone know if it's easy to replace? | 20:46 |
| scottc | lcd is fine, touch still works, just the outer glass :( | 20:46 |
| Timo | scottc: Unfortunately, replacing the front glass means replacing the whole LCD assembly. | 20:46 |
| scottc | seriously? | 20:47 |
| Timo | Yup. | 20:47 |
| scottc | what a fucking joke | 20:47 |
| Timo | You have to send it to Jolla Care. As Ebay still doesn't have spare parts. | 20:47 |
| scottc | :/ | 20:47 |
| scottc | how much will that set me back, do you know? | 20:47 |
| Timo | Well, I don't know excactly, but IIRC it's around 100 euros. | 20:48 |
| scottc | right | 20:48 |
| Timo | Buying a second hand phone is almost cheaper. | 20:49 |
| svuorela | so, sounds like it is easier to replace the device | 20:49 |
| Timo | So do that instead and use your current one for spare parts. :-) | 20:49 |
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| scottc | fuck that, there's no way I'm buying another device that would get a broken screen from a small fall | 20:49 |
| scottc | if I wanted that kind of build quality, I'd buy a 100 euro android phone :/ | 20:50 |
| scottc | thanks for the info guys, sorry for my frustration | 20:50 |
| svuorela | luckily my jolla doesn't know it is that fragile. | 20:50 |
| Timo | svuorela: Same for me. | 20:50 |
| Timo | Screen has been replaced for yellow band though. | 20:51 |
| svuorela | mine haven't been replaced, and have at least taken some drops from my bedside table | 20:51 |
| scottc | aye, mine has withstood a couple of minor drops before now | 20:52 |
| scottc | for now i have bought a screen protector and will hope for the best :( | 20:52 |
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| Timo | scottc: I have a Vikuitti screen protector from eBay. It's pretty good. | 20:53 |
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| scottc | I just bought the first ebay result Timo | 20:54 |
| scottc | don't remember the brand | 20:54 |
| Timo | Oh well, it's all just a layer of plastic on top of your phone. :P | 20:54 |
| scottc | yep :P | 20:54 |
| Timo | That scratches much too easy. Just like the phone itself. | 20:55 |
| scottc | luckily it was only €2.50 for 6 of them then... | 20:55 |
| Timo | That's rather cheap. | 20:55 |
| scottc | aye | 20:55 |
| Timo | Bought mine like 9 months ago. €7 for 3 of them. | 20:56 |
| scottc | does anyone know where I can find contact details for Jolla care? can't seem to find the right mail alias on the site, possibly just missing it | 20:56 |
| Timo | care@jolla.com | 20:56 |
| scottc | thanks Timo | 20:56 |
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| raa700 | thx for reminding, have had protectors laying around for months, just applied | 21:05 |
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