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| Trezker | Problem: I just updated my phone and all icons except for android apps disappeared. | 09:20 |
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| Trezker | I can still tap them and get into the apps, I just can't see the icons | 09:21 |
| r0kk3rz | nice | 09:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | huh? http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00STITPTW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2RH4MDJTT39LG&coliid=I3JB6QD8MW2LKU&psc=1 | 11:20 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: okay, so? | 11:22 |
| Morpog_PC | I winder if it really works with the Jolla tablet | 11:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | wonder | 11:22 |
| coderus | just bluetooth keyboard. i think it should work with jolla tablet. | 11:23 |
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| tadzik | hmm, my Jolla stopped updating the Saved Networks list in the WLAN settings | 11:26 |
| tadzik | have you encountered such issue? | 11:26 |
| coderus | tadzik: what you mean "stopped updating" | 11:28 |
| tadzik | coderus: it doesn't show wifis that are indeed remembered | 11:28 |
| tadzik | the phone even autoconnects to them, but they aren't on the lits | 11:28 |
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| tadzik | hm, now the settings app crashed on startup | 11:28 |
| tadzik | sounds like reboot time | 11:29 |
| tadzik | alright, fixed itself :) | 11:34 |
| coderus | :) | 11:34 |
| tadzik | talking about the issue helps, apparently | 11:35 |
| tadzik | just like with programming :) | 11:35 |
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| Venemo | heya | 12:04 |
| Venemo | how do I get tracker to index the contents of my sd card? | 12:04 |
| tadzik | if it didn't do it automagically you can poke it through Sailfish Utilities in the Settings | 12:05 |
| tadzik | that usually works | 12:05 |
| tadzik | you can then watch it in Lighthouse to see if it's still running :P | 12:05 |
| Venemo | hm, nothing | 12:06 |
| Venemo | the utilities thing doesn't do anything eiter | 12:06 |
| tadzik | it needs quite a lot of time | 12:06 |
| tadzik | even though it says it's done, it really, really isn't :) | 12:06 |
| stephg | Venemo: also tracker-control -s -r (irrc) | 12:09 |
| Venemo | tadzik: it didn't even start | 12:09 |
| tadzik | hmm, yeah, try stephg's line | 12:10 |
| Venemo | ah yeah | 12:10 |
| Venemo | something's happening now | 12:11 |
| Venemo | thank you stephg | 12:11 |
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| tadzik | hm, anyone tried some android adblocking things on jolla? | 12:16 |
| tadzik | I just got adaway from f-droid, but it says it can't work since it requires rooted android | 12:16 |
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| stephg | tadzik: does it need rooted android or root in the android: i.e have you tried installing supersu or something? | 12:24 |
| stephg | also wonder what it wants to do that requires root and whether you can do it as, you know, real root :) | 12:24 |
| tadzik | stephg: root in android, I guess; it says it needs to write to /system | 12:25 |
| tadzik | stephg: it basically just adds to /etc/hosts, so you can do that manually no problem :) | 12:25 |
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| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/aliendalvik-superuser | 12:40 |
| coderus | didn't tested it on latest sailfish btw. | 12:40 |
| tadzik | coderus: looks awesome, thanks | 12:43 |
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| tadzik | hmm, I don't see a way to add an app to the allowed list | 12:46 |
| tadzik | ah, nvm :) | 12:47 |
| tadzik | argh, can we have an app that will allow us to send notifications from certain apps straight to /dev/null? | 12:48 |
| tadzik | that'd be lovely | 12:50 |
| tadzik | android apps being of course the annoying ones | 12:50 |
| tadzik | coderus: any chance your android-notifications could be extended to do that? | 12:52 |
| coderus | tadzik: isn't it already? it have blacklist | 12:52 |
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| tadzik | oh, cool :) I didn't deduce that from the description | 12:53 |
| tadzik | coderus++ delivers, as always | 12:53 |
| tadzik | where's that donation button of yours | 12:53 |
| coderus | yeah i didn't changed description | 12:53 |
| coderus | tadzik: in every applicaiton description | 12:54 |
| tadzik | yep, found it :) Thanks | 12:55 |
| tadzik | I can now have an empty whitelist, perfect | 12:55 |
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| korsakov | Adam. | 13:08 |
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| rednan | Hi, my jolla doesn't charge, it seems to be too empty. It just seems to wait to get enough juice, then power up and power off because it doesn't have that much battery left | 14:12 |
| rednan | What do I do? | 14:13 |
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| TemeV | leave it to charger for a while and don't try to power it up | 14:37 |
| TemeV | afaik there is some "emergency charging circuit" that charges the battery very slowyly | 14:37 |
| rednan | It's been charging and cycling for an hour now | 14:38 |
| rednan | I kinda need it to receive online banking codes so I can pay people | 14:39 |
| TemeV | try to remove the battery or something to prevent it from trying to power up too early (no clue if it works but worth a try) | 14:39 |
| kjetilho | you are using a dumb charger, right? | 14:40 |
| kjetilho | TemeV: haha | 14:40 |
| TemeV | *remove and put back | 14:40 |
| rednan | I think it's even the charger that came with the device | 14:40 |
| kjetilho | but it should be possible to use it without a battery, I think | 14:40 |
| rednan | no it isn't | 14:41 |
| kjetilho | :/ | 14:41 |
| rednan | Very short led flash and bzzt | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | might need some serious fiddling | 14:41 |
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| Nicd- | N900 had hot swap with some hacking | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | but think it was only hot swap and not using without battery | 14:41 |
| rednan | now it shows the charging icon again | 14:42 |
| rednan | And it's back to led on, nothing on screen | 14:42 |
| rednan | Yay, it's on agian | 14:42 |
| rednan | again* | 14:42 |
| tadzik | on, or it's looping again? | 14:42 |
| rednan | I logged in | 14:42 |
| rednan | at zero % | 14:43 |
| tadzik | wow | 14:43 |
| rednan | And it shut itself down again | 14:43 |
| rednan | WTF | 14:43 |
| TemeV | let it charge | 14:43 |
| TemeV | don't try to power it | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | if it starts, then I think you should power it off manually | 14:43 |
| rednan | It didn't charge | 14:43 |
| rednan | It was charging till it thought it could start up and then shut itself down again | 14:43 |
| TemeV | give it some time. If the battery is really empty it is charged really slowly to prevent damage | 14:44 |
| rednan | I needed it by the way, because my bloody ereader broke | 14:44 |
| rednan | Totally dead | 14:44 |
| rednan | The screen just doesn't work anymore | 14:44 |
| rednan | Yesterday it stopped refreshing the entire screen, skipping some parts | 14:45 |
| rednan | Keeping them on old content | 14:45 |
| rednan | And now the entire screen is dead | 14:45 |
| rednan | The funny thing is: it's e-ink, so there's still something on there | 14:45 |
| rednan | Even though the screen is dead dead dead | 14:45 |
| tadzik | yeah, had that with a kindle | 14:49 |
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| Ezko | rednan: try starting your phone with the charging cable disconnected | 14:59 |
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| Ezko | or like | 14:59 |
| Ezko | i've noticed that the phone doesn't want to start if the cable is connected | 15:00 |
| Ezko | just shows the charging icon | 15:00 |
| tadzik | yeah, it's super weird. N900 was similar | 15:00 |
| TemeV | I thought the same first, but it seems to start, but slowly | 15:00 |
| TemeV | And power key is not responsing properly | 15:01 |
| TemeV | But if you press it only once the phone does boot | 15:01 |
| fennekki | how you start up from the charging icon seems to be, press once to dismiss the icon, then long press to turn on | 15:04 |
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| pdanek | Ezko: TemeV: yeah, it's super annoying, should be fixed asap, but it wasn't last 2 years | 15:21 |
| pdanek | but perhaps not possible to fix because it's in firmware, not OS | 15:21 |
| pdanek | I'm just surprised how those things even appear in phone, every tester must discover them after single day of testing | 15:22 |
| rednan | it doesn't start | 15:22 |
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| kimmoli | it might be a feature, so not a bug and nothing to fix :p | 15:25 |
| rednan | A feature which renders you unable to pay back debts you have to friends... | 15:27 |
| rednan | Great feature | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | don't think kimmoli was referring to your problem | 15:27 |
| rednan | Ah ;) | 15:27 |
| tiwake | no new MLP:FIM episode today :( | 15:28 |
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| Bysmyyr | any ideas, update failed, now it boots, some things are updated, some things (battery meter...) are missing and terminal update do not continue after refreshing0% | 17:09 |
| coderus | Bysmyyr: did you had phonehook application installed? | 17:10 |
| Bysmyyr | nope, I removed that before | 17:11 |
| coderus | well, contact care then | 17:11 |
| Bysmyyr | oh, not removed :P I planned and removed it from two other but this one missed<:( | 17:12 |
| coderus | cool :) | 17:12 |
| coderus | wanna save something from phone before factory reset? | 17:13 |
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| Bysmyyr | thats only option? | 17:13 |
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| coderus | the only easy one | 17:14 |
| coderus | if you can ssh via wifi to phone you have chance | 17:15 |
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| Bysmyyr | it boots without any issue and ssh works well | 17:19 |
| coderus | try rpm -e --force phonehook | 17:23 |
| Bysmyyr | I used rpm -e --noscripts phonehook, now version -dup | 17:23 |
| coderus | what is your ssu re | 17:23 |
| Bysmyyr | Device release is currently: 1.1.4.29 | 17:24 |
| coderus | yeah, try version --dup, hope it helps | 17:24 |
| Bysmyyr | refreshing 0% stays | 17:25 |
| Bysmyyr | --> sauna, then back. thx | 17:26 |
| coderus | so, you connected to internet? ping works? | 17:26 |
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| Yaniel | Äijänpäivänjärvi could probably win an award for the most broken update of the year | 17:32 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: no. just some developers should win kick in ass for such applications. | 17:33 |
| Yaniel | I mean I don't remember seeing such a concentration of bricked to semi-bricked devices | 17:34 |
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| arvut | hi | 17:35 |
| arvut | what tool would you use for converting/extracting sound from mp4 files? they are found under Gallery and must have screen on to be played | 17:36 |
| arvut | pretty good audio though | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i want to know what this phonehook application does | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | because it seems to have put a big spanner in the works | 17:38 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: ys, just because this broken phonehook was released before u13 | 17:44 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: broken scriptlets, broken application dependencies. u13 have different version of libnemonotifications, phonehook removing, scriptlet failed, whole procedure is crashing. | 17:47 |
| Bysmyyr | yep, ping works | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right, so it all boils down to a dodgy remove script | 17:48 |
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| rednan | My jolla has been trying to charge for 3 hours now. No result whatsoever | 18:39 |
| rednan | Still flat | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | using the provided charger? | 18:41 |
| rednan | Yes | 18:41 |
| rednan | Charger worked yesterday | 18:42 |
| rednan | My backup phone was also dead, but that one is charging | 18:43 |
| rednan | It's an ancient android phone though | 18:43 |
| rednan | And appearently it's programmed so it discharges while talking on the phone | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | do you have a multimeter? | 18:44 |
| rednan | nope | 18:44 |
| rednan | I study computer science, not electrical engineering | 18:44 |
| rednan | I haven't had the need for one yet | 18:45 |
| stephg | rednan: will the jolla charge on a computer? | 18:45 |
| rednan | Exactly the same behaviour | 18:45 |
| rednan | Not starting | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | that doesnt mean you dont have a multimeter :P | 18:45 |
| rednan | sometimes showing the charging icon for a few seconds | 18:45 |
| stephg | don't need to start it, just plyg it into a pc and leave it for several minutes | 18:45 |
| rednan | slow red flashing led rhythm | 18:45 |
| rednan | Stephg, I did it for 15 minutes or so | 18:45 |
| rednan | One anime episode | 18:45 |
| stephg | on a pc? I'd leave it longer.... | 18:46 |
| rednan | Once in a while it goes bzz, shows the charging animation thing and then blue/white led state for a while | 18:46 |
| rednan | Now it enters it's alternative loop: trying to start | 18:46 |
| rednan | It does that on it's own once in a while | 18:46 |
| rednan | Runs for a minute and then... No Juice, powering down. Thus it wasted all it's battery contents for this run. | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not entirely true | 18:47 |
| rednan | It has been repeating this pattern for 3 hours or so | 18:47 |
| rednan | On multiple chargers | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | you might try cleaning the battery contacts | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | ive never seen it reach this kind of condition before, but i guess theres no reason it cant | 18:48 |
| rednan | I think the battery chip is wonky | 18:48 |
| rednan | Thinking it's fuller than it is or something like that | 18:48 |
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| rednan | Giving invalid state information to the device | 18:49 |
| rednan | Also, why on earth doesn't it want to run directly on microusb-power | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | unfortunately sourcing replacement batteries has proven difficult | 18:51 |
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| rednan | I'm gonna send a letter, requesting a replacement battery, because mine is broken after a year | 18:51 |
| rednan | I'm going to claim warranty on the battery | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | well, contact care through zendesk | 18:51 |
| rednan | I would have bought a new one, but if you don't give me that option, I'll become an asshole | 18:52 |
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| attah | so flattr is coming to harbour... why can't we pledge beer to maintainers on tjc? | 18:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | it is? | 19:19 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | attah: hmm :) | 19:24 |
| attah | Stskeeps: do you get mikkeller in .pl? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | we do | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | i .. got a rather nasty hangover thanks to tadzik and that recently | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:27 |
| attah | hehe :) | 19:27 |
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| Bysmyyr | coderus: thx for help, got it fixed | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | the name sounds familiar | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure ive had it before | 19:30 |
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| coderus | Bysmyyr: share your flow in tjc or somwhere | 19:32 |
| coderus | so jolla care will have less work | 19:32 |
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| attah | coderus: why aren't you working for jolla already? | 19:36 |
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| Bysmyyr | ok, it was just long wait it that refresh | 19:36 |
| Bysmyyr | something 25min | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: why buy the cow when you get the milk for free? | 19:37 |
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| attah | i have no good answer for that, lol | 19:38 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus is a cow..? | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | well, moose | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but the same thing applies | 19:44 |
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| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: what you get free from a moose? thick milk? | 19:57 |
| r0kk3rz | idk, some proverb about only being able to skin it once | 19:58 |
| coderus | attah: because i'm not living in Finland, i think, probably, i don't know really. | 19:58 |
| attah | well.. Stskeeps lives in .pl | 19:59 |
| coderus | *not living in Europe, but i don't know really, because nobody says not "yes" and not "no" and no any other answer. | 20:00 |
| attah | that's a shame.. it's pretty obvious you have the skills | 20:01 |
| attah | risking to be laid off myself i'm contemplating to apply | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | laid off for applying for another position? thats pretty harsh | 20:04 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: i think you misunderstood.. since i'm in the "danger zone" i might just as well apply for a position at jolla | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | sometimes you get surprises | 20:05 |
| attah | i went from being a consultant to working at the product company.. and basically 1 month after they announce they are laying off 10% | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ive managed to get interviews out of 'long shot' job applications | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, worst case is they don't want you | 20:07 |
| attah | i wouldn't hire myself.. but then again.. i wouldn't hire pretty much anyone | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | good thing you arent an employer then | 20:09 |
| attah | perhaps.. but most places have too much people | 20:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | i am certain jolla would like more people if they could afford it | 20:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but in general, you're right | 20:11 |
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| LangeOortjes | hey, does anyone know how large the Jolla 1.1.4.29 update is? I accidentally downloaded it via mobile data and I am a bit scared of out-of-bundle costs. Just want to know what I might be up for | 22:29 |
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| Yaniel | check data counters? | 22:31 |
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| LangeOortjes | Yaniel, are they a bit reliable these days. Says around 700 MB up/down total, and they have been counting since mid-april which means I should be safe :) I was just wondering if the size of the update is documented somewhere | 22:33 |
| Yaniel | not AFAIK | 22:34 |
| Yaniel | but updates have been in the 200-500MB range so far | 22:34 |
| LangeOortjes | alright | 22:34 |
| LangeOortjes | I can live with those costs :) | 22:34 |
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| LangeOortjes | alright, I'd better go to bed now. According to my operator's website, they send warning text messages in real time as you exceed your bundle and I haven't received it. Must be less than 500 MB (My data-bundle) in that case | 22:41 |
| LangeOortjes | this is why I hate bundles, a slight cock-up could cost you dearly | 22:42 |
| Yaniel | this is why I like the bundles my operator offers | 22:43 |
| Yaniel | they just get throttled to hilarity when exceeded | 22:43 |
| LangeOortjes | Yaniel, right now I'd prefer that over the 0.15 eurocents per excess MB | 22:44 |
| LangeOortjes | uhm 15 eurocents | 22:44 |
| LangeOortjes | if only it where 0.15 ;) | 22:44 |
| Yaniel | and you can extend your bundle temporarily if needed | 22:44 |
| LangeOortjes | that | 22:44 |
| Yaniel | for something like 2€ per GB or whatever it was | 22:44 |
| LangeOortjes | Yaniel, doesn't sound like you're using a Dutch operator to me | 22:45 |
| Yaniel | indeed | 22:45 |
| LangeOortjes | alright, I need to get some sleep. I am tired (which is why I made this mistake) after a day of traveling home from our vacation | 22:46 |
| LangeOortjes | thanks :) | 22:46 |
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| zutto | no limits o7 | 22:46 |
| zutto | except the rumoured limit after 1tb of data moved | 22:47 |
| Yaniel | mine is "already" at 50GB | 22:47 |
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| jcbjoe | anyone know how much it wil cost to ship a jolla from US to finland ? | 22:59 |
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| Shinryuu | depends what mail option you're going to use etc. I would bet something like $10-$20 | 23:02 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: hah, I now learned a new word: mikkeller :) | 23:16 |
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