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| * Oksana has just supported Octodon... 79th backer... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/octodon/octodon | 04:30 | |
| Oksana | I know most of you are most likely using - or going to use - qwerty TOH... But take a look at the tactile pads ;-) ^ | 04:30 |
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| zutto | hmh, that looks kinda cool | 04:38 |
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| Nicd- | Oksana: problem is it takes up a huge part of the screen | 05:16 |
| Nicd- | and it looks clunkier than tohkbd | 05:16 |
| Nicd- | and no horizontal mode? | 05:17 |
| Oksana | You can rotate it however you want respective to mobile, and I think that you can program any app you want, if you do not like how their on-screen app takes up too much space. | 05:18 |
| Oksana | Yes, it's clunkier, I think. | 05:19 |
| Nicd- | well, I don't like that the on-screen keyboard takes up any space, to be more exact | 05:19 |
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| Oksana | But, if it is intended to be used by all 10 fingers at the same time, it's not supposed to be horizontal. | 05:19 |
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| Oksana | Maybe, you could tell on-screen keyboard to be invisible, once you get used to the device and do not need any hints. | 05:20 |
| Nicd- | doesn't look like it's gonna meet its kickstarter goal | 05:20 |
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| Oksana | That's why I am trying to advertise it. They apparently failed at promoting themselves ;-) | 05:20 |
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| zutto | from their demo videos, i can just tell that its not going to be any faster from typing than your average physical qwerty you can attach to your phone | 06:20 |
| zutto | plus all that learning curve and things ;l | 06:20 |
| zutto | but, for the sake of having more unique products in the market, that thing should exist :P | 06:22 |
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| TemeV | That thing has a nice idea, but I don't really want to learn to type again once more :) | 07:06 |
| TemeV | Already learned it with traditional phone, traditional phone with t9 and with touch screen | 07:07 |
| Oksana | ;-) | 07:07 |
| TemeV | I hope with tohkbd it will be close enough to touch screen typing so there is no real learning curve | 07:08 |
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| stephg | there's something fabulously ironic in that the only FB friends I can see right now in Friends are vgrade, sledges and Marc Dillon | 07:54 |
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| sledges | Friends will be Friends:) | 08:02 |
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| stephg | hehe | 08:06 |
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| tadzik | hah, updating the OS but not disabling the patches leaves me with MPRIS in Media, but no lockscreen controls. Win-win! \o/ | 08:13 |
| ggabriel | npris? lockscreen controls? | 08:14 |
| ggabriel | what is this magic? | 08:14 |
| tadzik | MPRIS is the dbus interface that music players use to be remote controllable | 08:14 |
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| ggabriel | is that all coming in media with the latest and greatest? | 08:15 |
| tadzik | lockscreen controls is a set of buttons and labels you can have on your lockscreen | 08:15 |
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| tadzik | no, that's a patchmanager patch | 08:15 |
| ggabriel | oh, gotcha | 08:15 |
| ggabriel | thanks :) | 08:15 |
| Sail0r | boah | 08:17 |
| Sail0r | my damn jolla is rendering it self useless | 08:18 |
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| Sail0r | even when deactivating the calendar which makes problems | 08:18 |
| Sail0r | it's still firing reminders | 08:18 |
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| Sail0r | and I don't know how to stop it doing that | 08:18 |
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| tadzik | ggabriel: thank coderus :) | 08:25 |
| Sail0r | ok interesting even when calendar is deleted | 08:29 |
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| flux | a colleague has some issues with the upgrade.. apparently he gets no unlocking screen but on the other hand he only gets the normal background image and can get to the notification view. and that's it. | 08:30 |
| flux | well, I'm not using device lock so maybe I dare to upgrade.. soon ;) | 08:31 |
| sjtoik | you should | 08:31 |
| sjtoik | use it | 08:31 |
| the_mgt | device lock never borked any update for me | 08:32 |
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| the_mgt | and yes, you should use it | 08:32 |
| Teme | that octodon looks really nice | 08:33 |
| Teme | talk about patchmanager reminds me.. will there be one that works with the new versions? | 08:33 |
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| Teme | at least since the last version (not Äijänpäivänjärvi) the patches haven't worked and the app is unable to remove any of them | 08:34 |
| Teme | not that it matters because they are not in effect anyway... but the app is messed up | 08:34 |
| TemeV | flux: I had the same issue. My tries to fix it only made it worse so I made the factory reset | 08:35 |
| flux | temev, did you have device lock enabled beforehand? | 08:35 |
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| flux | or did you have any special warehouse-stuff installed | 08:37 |
| flux | (colleague did not) | 08:37 |
| TemeV | I had device lock, but I doubt it is related to that | 08:39 |
| TemeV | Some warehouse stuff but not much | 08:40 |
| TemeV | Warehouse is scary so I removed it :p | 08:40 |
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| TemeV | I might have had some patches, I usually don't remember to disable them. Though I haven't been using much of them lately either | 08:41 |
| Mikaela | I find patches too scary to try them, but I have used some apps from Warehouse without issues except the alien dalvik remover which lead to factory reset | 08:41 |
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| coderus | btw, in today live stream i will talk about patchmanager and patches. you want to watch it if you scary patches :D | 08:49 |
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| coderus | i see many peoples do not understand what patchmanager and patches doing exactly | 08:55 |
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| Tofe | When I try to sync my google contacts two-ways, I always get the following errors in the journal from google-contacts-client: enforceDetailConstraints:2545 "Invalid detail type: 0" and ContactWriter::save:2414 "Error updating contact sql-xxx: 3"; all this ends up with ContactWriter::syncUpdate:4881 saying that it gives up. What could help solving this ? I'd like to avoid recreating all my contacts... | 09:44 |
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| Tofe | (it's not a new problem at all, I think contact sync never quite worked for me) | 09:47 |
| coderus | are you on 1.1.4.29? | 09:47 |
| Tofe | yes | 09:48 |
| coderus | so, collect logs and backtrace and fill a bug then :) | 09:48 |
| Tofe | never reflashed the device ever since dec. 2013, while being early tester :) I'm a lucky guy! | 09:49 |
| coderus | because you can't flash Jolla? :D | 09:49 |
| Tofe | coderus: I think it corresponds to https://together.jolla.com/question/45961/two-way-syncronization-of-google-contacts-not-working-properly/ | 09:50 |
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| coderus | probably, i'm not using google sync myself | 09:59 |
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| Nicd- | Tofe: I have the invalid detailtype too | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | and my google contacts don't sync | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | they only sync a couple of times (if I reset the contact system) and then stop syncing | 10:23 |
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| Tofe | Nicd-: looks like it's nothing new https://gist.github.com/Nicd/96f004461f05f63c9171 | 10:53 |
| Nicd- | hehe, forgot that was still there | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | I went over it with chriadam|away I think, and there were fixes coming for it. don't remember if they were in 1.1.4 | 10:57 |
| Nicd- | been thinking maybe I should just reset and try again | 10:57 |
| Tofe | yes, we can find the log here http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/%23jollamobile.2015-01-29.log.html | 10:57 |
| Tofe | I think the problem is just overlooked each release | 10:58 |
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| Kabouik | Settings/System/Sailfish OS updates says that I'm currently in version 1.1.2.13 Yliaavanlampi, instead of 1.1.2.16. Couldn't it be the reason why I can't seem to get the 1.1.4.28 update, despite my subscription to the opt-in program? | 11:40 |
| mornfall | moreover 1.1.4.x is in its public phase now | 11:41 |
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| Kabouik | Yep, but I know it can take some time to reach my Jolla with OTR. | 11:45 |
| Kabouik | But as I'm in the opt-in, I should definitely have had it already, I think | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | It's the first time I receive the email from Jolla about the update before actually updating. And it seems my Jolla shows a wrong version number for the previous update, I suppose it's related | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | -OTR +OTA, sorry | 11:47 |
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| Lieke | OTR takes time too, though | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik may have another problem though... | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | silly question: does the store work? | 11:55 |
| xfade__ | Kabouik: because it is not an officially supported release, you won't get an update notification | 11:55 |
| Kabouik | The store does work yes ggabriel | 11:56 |
| Kabouik | Yep Lieke, but with the opt-in, I should have had it already I think | 11:57 |
| Kabouik | xfade__, that's my concern. Any idea on how to solve that ? ssu re 1.1.4.28 didn't help | 11:57 |
| xfade__ | Kabouik: it should. ssu re 1.1.4.29; version --dup | 11:57 |
| Kabouik | Let's try that | 11:58 |
| Kabouik | as nemo? | 11:58 |
| Kabouik | It's slowly refreshing, we'll see if it does the trick | 12:01 |
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| coderus | xfade__: any info why ssu mode not changing mode? | 12:35 |
| coderus | it will be good to do ssu mode 16 befode versioin --dup, but it's just not working | 12:36 |
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| coderus | before* | 12:37 |
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| dv_ | hi | 12:41 |
| dv_ | is it possible to get some sort of uart access? my phone is bricked, and I need to see whats going on | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | how bricked? recovery mode not working? | 12:41 |
| dv_ | I could reset to factory defaults, but need to somehow make a backup of everything | 12:41 |
| dv_ | telnet is working | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | then you can backup over netcat likely | 12:41 |
| dv_ | but when I try to boot, I see the jolla logo, then the screen goes black, then the LED goes dark | 12:42 |
| dv_ | I think something happened in the latest update | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | try pull battery for 30 seconds to a minute and see if it helps | 12:42 |
| kimmoli | scp over usb to host-pc worked for me | 12:42 |
| zutto | or pull it out and press the power button for few seconds | 12:42 |
| dv_ | pull it out ,wait 30 seconds, put it in, press power button for a few seconds? | 12:42 |
| zutto | pull out, press power button for few seconds (discharges everything), put it back in | 12:43 |
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| dv_ | no, still nothing. jolla logo appears, then disappears, then LED goes white, then LED goes dark. | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, sounds like a good start for backing up and factory resetting | 12:45 |
| dv_ | now the problem with scp is that I essentially have to backup the entire /home directory, since I don't know whats really relevant for the apps | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | if that fails too, contact care | 12:45 |
| dv_ | is this what you do? scp /home ? | 12:45 |
| Nicd- | that's what I'd do | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | mkdir /mnt | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | cd find /mnt/@home | 12:46 |
| dv_ | can I ssh to the usb ethernet device that appears when I press volumedown + power? | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | no, telnet only | 12:48 |
| dv_ | then how could I use scp? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | scp to your own machine | 12:49 |
| dv_ | from where? | 12:51 |
| dv_ | oh you mean I should use the shell in telnet mode? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:51 |
| dv_ | but this voids warranty | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | 'may' void warranty | 12:51 |
| kimmoli | requires that you have ssh server on your pc | 12:52 |
| dv_ | yeah, makes sense | 12:52 |
| dv_ | mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt <- is this for copying to an additional SD card ? | 12:52 |
| dv_ | I do have one in the phone | 12:53 |
| dv_ | oh, got it. nevermind. | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | i helped get the telnet mode into that recovery menu, you're doing the right thing :) | 12:56 |
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| dv_ | tar czf /extmmc/nemo-bak-2015-05-06.tar.gz nemo <- thats running now | 12:56 |
| dv_ | hopefully its enough | 12:56 |
| dv_ | btw, I think my battery life ran out while updating .. | 12:57 |
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| dv_ | hopefully this incomplete update didnt break the factory reset | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | dv_: very unlikely | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | never update without plugging the phone to the socket :) | 12:58 |
| dv_ | OK, tar is now done | 13:01 |
| dv_ | lets pray thats it | 13:01 |
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| ggabriel | dv_: do a tar tzf in your computer and double check that you have the hidden dirs in /home/nemo | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | such as .cache | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | you should have | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | but just in case :D | 13:01 |
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| dv_ | alright, seems to work! | 13:03 |
| dv_ | now, afterwards, just copy everything back to home? | 13:03 |
| dv_ | or are there any files in /home which should not be overwritten? | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | nah | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | worst case scenario, you factory reset again | 13:03 |
| dv_ | ok | 13:04 |
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| Tofe | (that's the good thing with already being in the worst case scenario: you can't break it more) | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | oh, you can always break it more!! | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | you could do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mmcblk0p28 | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | don't do that | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | or you could kick the phone as hard as you can out of the window | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | that would certainly break it | 13:07 |
| entil | if you do that, there's some probability that you'll get a new operating system out of it | 13:07 |
| entil | it's not a particularly large probability | 13:07 |
| kontio | for sure not 'windows' :D | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | probably skynet | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | within the small probability, that is | 13:07 |
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| entil | but in order for skynet to become active, there needs to be more than one node or it's a pretty lonely part of it :D | 13:08 |
| entil | "uhh.. guys? you around? how about world domination?" | 13:08 |
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| entil | and then tofe shuts his phone off | 13:08 |
| Tofe | entil: I never shut it off. If it wants world domination, well, what could I possibly do? | 13:10 |
| entil | you sure got a point there | 13:10 |
| kimmoli | write a small shell script? | 13:10 |
| Tofe | systemctl disable world-domination.service should do the trick | 13:11 |
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| Tofe | maybe even mask it, in case it reboots | 13:12 |
| entil | unfortunately due to systemd bugs it restores the world-domination state | 13:12 |
| Tofe | Ah. Well, at least I tried! | 13:13 |
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| Kabouik | xfade__ I ran version --dup from Fingerterm. It was really slow so I let it work alone. Now when I try to unlock my Jolla, I see the wallpaper, but no shortcut icons at the bottom, and I can't swipe to restore running apps, or scroll down to show the launcher. I'm not sure the version --dup is finished. Is there a way I can check that? I don't want to hard reboot the Jolla if it's still updating | 13:14 |
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| ggabriel | Kabouik: ssh in? | 13:14 |
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| sjtoik | it's pain to wait bash to initialize, if the system is flipping meatballs | 13:15 |
| Kabouik | I'm on Linux right now, I guess it's simpler to ssh in than with Windows, but I've never configured it yet. How should I proceed, and then how can I check whether Fingerterm has finished? | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | you have to enable ssh in dev mode | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | hopefully you can still access settings? | 13:15 |
| Kabouik | It's done already, I often ssh from Windows | 13:16 |
| Kabouik | I just don't know how to ssh from Linux | 13:16 |
| sjtoik | do you know the ip of the phone? | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | ssh nemo@[ip address] | 13:16 |
| Kabouik | Yep, I should have it somewhere in Filezilla | 13:16 |
| dv_ | well, everything looks broken now. the UI is working properly, but fonts have the wrong color, only the basic apps are there ... | 13:17 |
| Kabouik | Name or service unknown, with ip 192.168.2.16 | 13:17 |
| dv_ | so the idea with /home wasnt that good :/ | 13:17 |
| sjtoik | do you have right network setting in wlan? | 13:17 |
| sjtoik | or are you using usb cable? | 13:17 |
| Kabouik | I'm with USB, but wait, I kept the brackets around the ip :D | 13:18 |
| dv_ | I copied over the saved nemo folder in the telnet shell | 13:18 |
| Tofe | dv_: you restored /home just after a factory reset? | 13:18 |
| dv_ | yes | 13:18 |
| Kabouik | Now I don't have the error message, like if my terminal is working, but nothing happens | 13:18 |
| Tofe | dv_: you should first upgrade to the same OS version you were when you did the /home backup | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | dv_: i may have forgotten to mention that it's best to upgrade first | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | _but_ | 13:19 |
| Kabouik | I suppose I should be asked to type my nemo password ggabriel | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | were you up to the latest version before? | 13:19 |
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| ggabriel | Kabouik: yup | 13:19 |
| Kabouik | No luck then | 13:20 |
| minimec | Kabouik: Try 'ssh nemo@Jolla' If you did not rename the phone and if your router is smart... it should work. | 13:20 |
| sjtoik | Kabouik: it will promt about the password, but if the phone is busy, that initialization takes a while | 13:20 |
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| dv_ | ggabriel: this was between upgrades | 13:20 |
| dv_ | there was an interruption during the upgrade | 13:20 |
| Tofe | ggabriel, dv_: I guess it may work also when OS version is greater than the one he was when he did the backup, but that's just a guess | 13:21 |
| Kabouik | @jolla doesn't work minimec. With the ip it looks better, but no prompt | 13:21 |
| minimec | Kabouik: 'J'olla | 13:21 |
| Kabouik | Same | 13:21 |
| dv_ | I'll retry and upgrade first | 13:21 |
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| neg | hi, is there some documentation around I can read on how to pull in never versions of system packages? I wish to test a newer version of buteo-sync-plugin-carddav | 13:27 |
| minimec | Kabouik: Install nmap and check the local network for ips with 'nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24'. If the phone is connected, it should be listed. | 13:30 |
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| dv_ | this is really weird. the PIN entering screen is black, except for the phone symbol. the theme color is red for some reason | 13:34 |
| dv_ | apparently there is text, but it is black. on a black background. | 13:34 |
| dv_ | I'll try to copy the nemo folder from @factory-home | 13:34 |
| Kabouik | It says "Host is up" for every ip scanned minimec | 13:34 |
| Kabouik | I guess I'll have to hard reboot and cross my fingers in the hope that version --dup had finished its work. I'll wait the end of the day before doing so, just in case | 13:37 |
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| minimec | Kabouik: For me the command 'nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24' gives me this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/10997271/ | 13:37 |
| coderus | Kabouik: you have router? open it web interface and check connected hosts in LAN statistics page or DHCP leases | 13:37 |
| Tofe | dv_: I thought factory reset would already wipe /home content ? | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Same for me minimec, for all 216 IPs scanned | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | No coderus, I'm at work, connected to the Internet hrough wifi currently (well, I should have the connection from the Etherne wire, interesting...), and the Jolla is connected to my laptop directly by USB | 13:39 |
| minimec | Kabouik: Problem is... The Jolla phone doesn't show up, even though it is connected... So information is not reliable. As coderus stated, you will have to verify on the router. | 13:39 |
| Kabouik | I don't have access to it | 13:39 |
| dv_ | aaargh! | 13:40 |
| dv_ | "[ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing." | 13:40 |
| Tofe | dv_: huh? what does that mean? | 13:41 |
| coderus | Kabouik: then use recovery | 13:41 |
| dv_ | Tofe: I get this error when I try to do a factory reset | 13:41 |
| coderus | Kabouik: you had some patch activated before doing version --dup? | 13:41 |
| Kabouik | Alright coderus, minimec! Just got into my Jolla through SSH. Changed the USB port, nmap again on 192.168.2.0/24, and here it is: 192.168.2.15 | 13:42 |
| coderus | dv_: Tofe: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- | 13:42 |
| Kabouik | I'm in. Just don't know how to check if version --dup is over now | 13:42 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: answer my question about patch | 13:42 |
| minimec | Kabouik: Nice ;) | 13:42 |
| Kabouik | Oh *** yes coderus, forgot that. I surely had patches | 13:43 |
| coderus | Kabouik: okay, can you tell which ones? and do you have internet in your jolla now? | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | ping gives me "unknown host www.google.com" so I guess no | 13:43 |
| coderus | Kabouik: your pc is linux? | 13:44 |
| coderus | then you can use internet over usb with iptables magic | 13:44 |
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| Kabouik | I had like a trillion patches, namely the smaller icons on launcher, events view (with a swipe inside the menu to show the toggles), and, hem, I'd have to think about it 2 hours to give you a full list :p | 13:44 |
| Kabouik | Linux | 13:44 |
| coderus | but anyway i need to list of your active patches for homescreen category | 13:44 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: better just do ls /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/patches | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | Indeed. :D | 13:45 |
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| Kabouik | Let me paste the list online | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | Weird, hastebin doesn't work anymore in my browser. http://pastebin.com/NAJKAqK5 | 13:47 |
| coderus | okay, so can you setup ip forwarding on your pc and use internet on jolla via usb yourself or you need a guide? | 13:48 |
| Kabouik | I'm afraid I need a guide | 13:49 |
| Kabouik | Can't I enable 3G data connection from the commandline? I even think I have a script for that, that I put in the Jolla for the diptoh | 13:50 |
| dv_ | "Q: When attempting to perform option #1 Device Reset, I get an error "Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing". What should I do?" "A: For some reason it seems your device was unable to retrieve the file from the Memory Card." | 13:50 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/58975/network-sharing-from-pc-to-phone-answered/ | 13:50 |
| dv_ | what file? | 13:50 |
| coderus | Kabouik: maybe you can even connect to wifi via commandline, some connman dbus | 13:51 |
| Kabouik | Nope, can't connect to the wifi with the Jolla, it is not supported unfortunately :( | 13:52 |
| Tofe | dv_: the "recovery-menu" file, in chapter 3.2 | 13:53 |
| dv_ | I did copy that over | 13:53 |
| dv_ | it still shows that error | 13:53 |
| dv_ | whats even more strange is that I already did a factory reset earlier, worked fine | 13:54 |
| dv_ | perhaps it reset to an earlier jolla version | 13:54 |
| dv_ | oh! now all of a sudden I see the setup screen. thats good. | 13:56 |
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| tadzik | heh, I thought linux is bad at MTP | 13:57 |
| tadzik | windows 8 cuts all connection with a phone few seconds after connecting it, including power transfer | 13:58 |
| coderus | Kabouik: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ntwkgrupbffw116/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-0.24.41.4-10.75.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjb38ol0smsa7t1/jolla-settings-system-0.2.33-10.44.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/s69c5z3nnijvm3p/jolla-settings-networking-0.2.52-10.52.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 ... | 13:59 |
| coderus | ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/jl9s60vl1mqeul0/jolla-settings-bluetooth-0.0.50.1-10.19.2.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 | 13:59 |
| coderus | download, put to phone, and install | 13:59 |
| Kabouik | Oh, so I don't need to follow the guide you gave me? | 13:59 |
| coderus | guide | 13:59 |
| coderus | ? | 13:59 |
| coderus | ah, no | 14:00 |
| Kabouik | Network sharing | 14:00 |
| coderus | just get these packages | 14:00 |
| coderus | should be enough | 14:00 |
| Kabouik | Ok, great, downloading right now | 14:00 |
| dv_ | can I skip the tutorial? | 14:00 |
| coderus | it will take more time to setup networking | 14:00 |
| coderus | dv_: yes | 14:00 |
| dv_ | how? | 14:00 |
| dv_ | there is no indicator or button | 14:00 |
| coderus | topleft topright bottomright bottomleft | 14:00 |
| dv_ | ah, thanks | 14:00 |
| coderus | :) | 14:01 |
| kimmoli | coderus: about the mervncserver, i can get screen (and thumb) visible, but on mouse events (can't click/drag)? is there any tricks? (tested realvnc and tightvnc) | 14:02 |
| coderus | kimmoli: works for me with no tricks | 14:02 |
| coderus | i'm using ssvnc, connected to just ip with none mode | 14:03 |
| Kabouik | It's all installed code | 14:03 |
| Kabouik | coderus | 14:03 |
| coderus | Kabouik: systemctl --user restart lipstick | 14:03 |
| kimmoli | coderus: ok, this device has broken touchscreen. maybe it is broken really O:o | 14:03 |
| coderus | haha, broken to the kernel :D | 14:04 |
| dv_ | okay, now I am updating *first* , and *then* I will try to restore /home | 14:04 |
| kimmoli | evdev_trace shows input events though | 14:04 |
| Kabouik | Still the same wallpaper with no icons and no way to scroll down to the launcher coderus :( | 14:04 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: it's not possible :D | 14:05 |
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| Kabouik | Then I just divided the world by zero coderus :] | 14:05 |
| Kabouik | And made it possible by opening a vortex to Cthulhu's mum. | 14:06 |
| * kimmoli wonders where are all EV_ABS coordinates, just EV_SYN's visible | 14:06 | |
| coderus | Kabouik: you installed all 4 packages? btw, what sailfish version you using? | 14:07 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: and install this one also then: https://www.dropbox.com/s/th3fe7ljxnlg4gr/jolla-settings-0.11.67.1-10.33.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 | 14:08 |
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| kimmoli | heh, there is no touch input device in /dev/input/ | 14:11 |
| Kabouik | I installed all coderus. My version is, well, I dont really know now, that's what led me here in the first place: I was in 1.2.13 (despite being opt-in), after I stupidly used version --dup for the previous update. I followed Aard advice on "TJC" to fix it by typing "ssu re 1.1.4.28", no luck. Then I was told here to do "ssu re 1.1.4.29; version --dup", which I did, but that's where I lost lipstick, and I don't know if the update process is over so | 14:11 |
| Kabouik | I'm afraid of rebooting | 14:11 |
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| Kabouik | Sorry for the long explanation :< | 14:11 |
| Kabouik | Cannot download your last file, Error (5xx) on Dropbox | 14:13 |
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| Kabouik | Finally got it, issue persists | 14:19 |
| Kabouik | I notice that when I restart lipstick, a warning appears at the top saying that I'm running low on space. I had not this warning before the version --dup. Now I'm afraid the update failed due to full memory usage. | 14:20 |
| coderus | Kabouik: probably | 14:22 |
| coderus | as root do btrfs fi show | 14:22 |
| coderus | an probably sudo journalctl -a /usr/bin/lipstick | tail -n 300 | 14:22 |
| coderus | to know whats wrong with it | 14:22 |
| Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk0p28 is full, like, FULL. | 14:23 |
| Kabouik | 13.75/13?75 | 14:23 |
| Kabouik | -? +. | 14:23 |
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| Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/GJCQLcP3 | 14:25 |
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| coderus | yeah, problem is in full filesystem | 14:34 |
| coderus | do balance and come again :) | 14:34 |
| coderus | i will afk for a while | 14:34 |
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| Sail0r | cool Investigate WiDi/Miracast on the Tablet | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ in Q3 | 14:53 |
| Sail0r | and finally WPA Enterprise support "!!!! | 14:53 |
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| chem|st | Sail0r: that is 6 months away... and I doubt it will be ready in Q3 | 15:09 |
| Sail0r | I know | 15:09 |
| Sail0r | many rhings from Q1 are not implemented yet | 15:09 |
| chem|st | but the list is a nice read nevertheless | 15:10 |
| Mnsu | support for those common wifi networks should have been there from the start | 15:12 |
| chem|st | Mnsu: support is there but glue in the UI is missing | 15:13 |
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| Mnsu | from what I've read on tjc, at least eduroam has been some trouble to configure even from the terminal | 15:15 |
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| dv_ | ok, yes, the earlier factory reset resetted to an older version, which explains why I saw all kinds of funny UI issues when I copied my saved /home | 15:21 |
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| dv_ | now its back on, and I am updating to the latest sailfish version | 15:21 |
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| chem|st | Mnsu: you need to know that the stuff is case-sensitive then you are fine | 15:24 |
| temmi_foo | i want eduroam | 15:25 |
| chem|st | dv_: bad idea to copy your /home over another release version than the one you saved it from | 15:25 |
| chem|st | dv_: it is a bad idea to just copy your /home at all actually (learned it the hard way) | 15:26 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: need help? | 15:26 |
| temmi_foo | chem|st: not really, i just wish i had eduroam account and whatever is necessary to read papers without hitting paywall | 15:27 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: what university are you at? | 15:27 |
| temmi_foo | none, which is the problme | 15:28 |
| temmi_foo | aflkasdjf | 15:28 |
| temmi_foo | problem | 15:28 |
| chem|st | did you ask your local uni-IT department for an account yet? | 15:28 |
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| chem|st | sometimes it is enough to register as guest to get at least eduroam, free papers is another topic though | 15:29 |
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| temmi_foo | i could do that though | 15:32 |
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| temmi_foo | ell-i cooperative is mostly doing research collaboration | 15:32 |
| Kabouik | Well my Jolla is definitely full, and can't get anything better with btrfs balance. It shows 13.75/13/75 GB. It was not full before the "version --dup" command. Where are the files temporarily stored for the update? I could delete them | 15:34 |
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| TemeV | what df says? | 15:36 |
| TemeV | I mean if it is really files or just btrfs metadata | 15:36 |
| Kabouik | http://pastebin.com/dBnR2A2Y TemeV | 15:36 |
| TemeV | yeah, it is definitely full | 15:37 |
| Kabouik | It was not before I ran "ssu re 1.1.4.29; version --dup". I'm afraid the command line filled it as hell, and then aborted. I'd like to remove what it downloaded, and then make sure the device is not bricked because of failed update | 15:38 |
| TemeV | I don't know where the downloaded files are, but you can try du -h --max-depth=1 to find them | 15:40 |
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| Kabouik | Not sure how to identify which folder contains the update with that commandline TemeV. It shows which folders are large but... | 15:42 |
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| TemeV | yeah, then you can go to that folder and find the large one again :) | 15:44 |
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| TemeV | not really civilized way to try to find them, I know :) | 15:45 |
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| Kabouik | I'm sure someone here knows where the temporary files are cached during a version --dup, before I manually investigate every single folder :p | 15:47 |
| coderus | Kabouik: so, balance not freeing space? | 15:47 |
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| Kabouik | Anyway, I'm still not sure I can delete them and hope my Jolla will work again, it's likely that the update started, but aborted :( It still shows 1.1.2.13 in the terminal. | 15:47 |
| coderus | Kabouik: ssu re shows 1.1.2.13? | 15:48 |
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| Kabouik | I balanced recently already, could not improve here coderus | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | No, ssu re shows 1.1.4.29 | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | But I get that when I ssh: nemo@192.168.2.15's password: | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | Last login: Wed May 6 16:03:44 2015 | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | ,--- | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | | SailfishOS 1.1.2.13 (Yliaavanlampi) (armv7hl) | 15:48 |
| Kabouik | '--- | 15:48 |
| minimec | Kabouik: What we see on your pastebin link is, that your android apps and data are taking a lot of space. Maybe uninstall that android support once. That might clean up a lot... | 15:50 |
| coderus | Kabouik: find /var -type f -name "*.rpm" | 15:50 |
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| Kabouik | How can I see which app exactly takes much space minimec? I guess I have downloaded maps for Here, or somthing like that | 15:51 |
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| Nexus_of_Concord | Hello. | 15:52 |
| Kabouik | I find lots of rpm with that command coderus | 15:52 |
| minimec | Kabouik: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-ls-command-sort-by-file-size/ | 15:53 |
| Kabouik | Many in /var/cache/zypp | 15:53 |
| TemeV | minimec: how can you see that? | 15:53 |
| TemeV | because what I see is /dev/mmcblk0p28 is full | 15:53 |
| coderus | Kabouik: delete tmen | 15:54 |
| coderus | them* | 15:54 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: you have sdcard? | 15:55 |
| Kabouik | Yes coderus | 15:55 |
| Kabouik | Can I delete the whole zypp directory? | 15:56 |
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| Nexus_of_Concord | The male connector of my Jolla's USB cable is bent - I want to get it replaced before it damages the phone's micro USB port. Can anyone tell me what category should that request on Jolla's Zendesk beM | 15:56 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | *? | 15:56 |
| minimec | TemeV: You're right. I was misdirected with all these 'alien' folders... | 15:57 |
| coderus | Kabouik: no, delete contents only | 15:57 |
| Kabouik | rm /var/cache/zypp/*.rpm then | 15:58 |
| coderus | Nexus_of_Concord: Repair? | 15:58 |
| coderus | Kabouik: yeah | 15:58 |
| coderus | also you can move your pics/videos to sdcard | 15:59 |
| Kabouik | I seem to remember I tried once | 15:59 |
| Kabouik | And never got it to work | 15:59 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | coderus: Isn't repair for repairing the phone itself? | 16:00 |
| coderus | Nexus_of_Concord: so, your cable is broken, not connector on phone? | 16:01 |
| coderus | Kabouik: what you mean? | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | Nexus_of_Concord: why do you need jolla to replace the cable? or is it under warranty? | 16:02 |
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| Kabouik | No success with rm /var/cache/zypp/*.rpm or rm /var/cache/zypp/"*.rpm", even with the -rf argument the files are still there. I'm root. | 16:03 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | The phone is okay. The cable's male prong thing is bent and only connects if it's at an angle. Photo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z617wbndh25lojb/20150505_010.jpg?dl=0 | 16:03 |
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| Nexus_of_Concord | And yes, got the phone in February so the warranty is still in effect. | 16:03 |
| coderus | Kabouik: what it says? | 16:03 |
| Kabouik | coderus I had tried to set the SD card as the storage location for the camera app, but did not get it working (the only way implied duplicates in the gallery app if I recall correctly). I'll retry someday but cannot do that today | 16:04 |
| coderus | Nexus_of_Concord: contact for repair, and care will redirect your question if needed | 16:04 |
| coderus | Kabouik: i mean just move all your picrures files manually now | 16:04 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | Thanks. | 16:04 |
| Kabouik | With -rf it says nothing but the files are still there, without -rf it says "no such file blah blah" | 16:04 |
| coderus | to free space | 16:04 |
| minimec | Kabouik: As you have ssh acces to your phone, you should be able to do something like <ctrl>l in your Filemanager and enter 'sftp://nemo@192.168.1.15' to access the phone. then backup whatever you want. | 16:04 |
| coderus | Kabouik: cd /var/cache/zypp/ | 16:04 |
| coderus | rm *.rpm | 16:04 |
| Kabouik | rm /var/cache/zypp/*.rp | 16:05 |
| Kabouik | Oups, wrong copy patse | 16:05 |
| coderus | Kabouik: cd to folder and ls to be sure you doing it right :) | 16:05 |
| Kabouik | [root@Jolla zypp]# rm *.rpm | 16:05 |
| Kabouik | rm: cannot remove `*.rpm': No such file or directo | 16:05 |
| Kabouik | Crap, I'm so stupid. | 16:06 |
| Kabouik | The rpms are in subfolders. Sorry for being so dumb. | 16:06 |
| coderus | yeah | 16:06 |
| coderus | i se you doing something simple wrong | 16:06 |
| Kabouik | I've already set Filezilla to sftp my Jolla minimec, but thanks for the tip, didn't now I could do that directly from the filemanager | 16:06 |
| Kabouik | Let's save pics already, right | 16:06 |
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| Kabouik | Well sorry coderus, really not a commandline wizzard. At all. :[ | 16:07 |
| coderus | not a wizard tip, just check what you doing :) | 16:08 |
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| Kabouik | I had people talking to me in the office and didn't want to make you wait, so I did stupidly wrong. And ended up wasting even more of your time, but well | 16:08 |
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| coderus | internet is patient :) | 16:10 |
| Kabouik | So, all rpms are in distinct subfolders in /var/cache/zypp/packages. May I delete the whole /packages/ folder? | 16:12 |
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| coderus | you can remove packages subfolders | 16:13 |
| Kabouik | There are like a billion :o | 16:15 |
| Kabouik | /packages/ is the lowest level common subfolder | 16:15 |
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| coderus | you can do rm rf packages/* | 16:15 |
| Kabouik | rm: cannot remove, no space left on device. Infinite bad luck loop. :] | 16:16 |
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| Mikaela | sounds like need of btrfs balancing and you must "echo > <bigfile>" before "rm <bigfile>" | 16:17 |
| fennekki | yeah you gotta trunc the file | 16:18 |
| Kabouik | I'm trying to delete all pictures from sftp, but it fails too :< | 16:18 |
| coderus | i have a trick | 16:18 |
| coderus | while [ "$?" != "0" ]; do rm -rf packages/*; done | 16:19 |
| coderus | :) | 16:19 |
| coderus | it helped me | 16:19 |
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| Kabouik | And btrf balance did not change any chunk with dusage from 0 to 40. I tried without dusage, as expalined in the TJC guide to btrfs, but it's running since two hours now I I can't cancel it. I'm pretty sure it won't free space anyway because I balanced really recently already (successfully, this time) | 16:20 |
| coderus | i had same situation, just without lipstick crash :D | 16:20 |
| kjetilho | while ! rm -rf packages/*; do echo retrying...; done | 16:20 |
| Kabouik | Still the same error coderus | 16:20 |
| coderus | Kabouik: i might write it wrong, no log saved | 16:21 |
| coderus | try kjetilho code | 16:21 |
| Kabouik | Same | 16:21 |
| coderus | it should do infinite loop until done | 16:21 |
| coderus | do not stop it | 16:21 |
| kjetilho | your code will never start unless previous command had failed | 16:21 |
| Kabouik | It does loop yes | 16:21 |
| coderus | Kabouik: so wait it | 16:21 |
| coderus | it should take a while | 16:21 |
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| Kabouik | I'm concerned about many issues at the same time though. To sum up after this long journey: version --dup probably failed, cancelling btrfs balance using 'btrfs balance cancel /' does not work, lipstick is crashed, Jolla is full. | 16:23 |
| Kabouik | Seems like a bad situation :D | 16:23 |
| coderus | Kabouik: yeah, you can stop balancing with reboot | 16:24 |
| coderus | but you need to free jolla to fix it | 16:24 |
| Kabouik | The loop keeps going | 16:24 |
| coderus | wait more | 16:25 |
| TemeV | maybe try echoing to a file in a loop | 16:25 |
| coderus | probably balancing slows it | 16:25 |
| Kabouik | At least lipstick is not heavy on cpu right now :D | 16:25 |
| coderus | TemeV: it's same | 16:25 |
| TemeV | coderus: yeah, but sometimes echoing goes through easier than rm | 16:25 |
| coderus | truncating file is not helping in this case | 16:26 |
| TemeV | maybe | 16:26 |
| coderus | well, you can try. i'm just saying about my previous experience | 16:26 |
| coderus | and Kabouik situation looks exacly same | 16:26 |
| TemeV | ok | 16:27 |
| Kabouik | Unfortunately I'll have to leave :// | 16:27 |
| coderus | Kabouik: also you need to save pictures and do the same for pictures folder | 16:27 |
| Kabouik | Can I pause everything and try again tomorrow, or should I let the Jolla wired to my laptop for the night? | 16:28 |
| coderus | Kabouik: you can reboot to shop balancing, and start a loop for the night, it should complete | 16:28 |
| Kabouik | I saved the /home/nemo/Pictures folder, but can't delete the old one for the same reason | 16:28 |
| coderus | yeah | 16:28 |
| coderus | you can start two loops in separate ssh | 16:29 |
| Kabouik | With the crashed lipstick, will I be able to enter my Pin code and ssh again? | 16:29 |
| coderus | Kabouik: no, you will reinstall it properly and it will show up | 16:29 |
| Kabouik | No but I mean, if I reboot to stop tbe btrfs balance, won't I be stuck with no lipstick? | 16:30 |
| Kabouik | Also, the btrfs guide on TJC says: "It has also been observed that if your device reboots during the balance, it is triggered to run automatically after the reboot again." That's wrong then? | 16:30 |
| coderus | Kabouik: probably it will | 16:30 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: it's about built in balance service, not about manual running one | 16:31 |
| coderus | you can try to kill btrfs process? | 16:31 |
| Kabouik | Oh ok | 16:31 |
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| Kabouik | I only tried btrfs balance cancel / | 16:32 |
| coderus | try to kill process | 16:32 |
| Kabouik | No I have 4 ssh sessions :d | 16:32 |
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| coderus | no? | 16:33 |
| Kabouik | killall btrfs ran without error as root, but no change on the two ssh sessions running 'btrfs balance start /' and 'btrfs balance cancel /', they are still working | 16:34 |
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| Kabouik | There are several btrfs processes running: btrfs, btrfs-transacti, btrfs-worker-4 (several instances), btrfs-submit-1 | 16:35 |
| coderus | try killall -9 btrfs | 16:36 |
| coderus | or different codes | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | killing processes interacting with the filesystem doesn't sound wise | 16:36 |
| Kabouik | Same anyway | 16:36 |
| coderus | Nicd-: it stuck | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | how do you know? | 16:36 |
| coderus | because it already running for hours | 16:37 |
| coderus | of cource letting it 24 more hours may help | 16:37 |
| Kabouik | The cancel is supposed to take only one or two minutes to actually cancel | 16:37 |
| Kabouik | And it's been running since more than an hour too | 16:37 |
| coderus | Kabouik: anyway, you can continue later with recovery, if can't ssh vi wifi ot usb after reboot | 16:38 |
| Kabouik | I have to go folks, sorry, I would have liked fixing that now, especially as you're currently spending time on my issue and it's very valuable | 16:39 |
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| Kabouik | So coderus, do you advise me to hard reboot and start over tomorrow, despite the full memory and crashed lipstick? Leaving my laptop and phone here is not very convenient, I admit it | 16:39 |
| coderus | Kabouik: yeah | 16:40 |
| Kabouik | Fine | 16:40 |
| coderus | you can always use recovery later | 16:40 |
| Kabouik | I'll sue you anyway if not. | 16:40 |
| Kabouik | :] | 16:40 |
| coderus | if you do not want to save contacts or something more, you can even do factory reset later :) | 16:40 |
| Kabouik | I'd like to fix my Jolla before trying resets, there are so much things tuned inside... | 16:41 |
| Kabouik | Contacts are easy to save, but in app settings and so on, factory reset is really my last resort :p | 16:41 |
| Kabouik | Plus apps themselves. | 16:42 |
| coderus | yeah | 16:42 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot to all of you for your time. Will be back to annoy you again. :D | 16:42 |
| coderus | so, next tim you need to start this script to free up space | 16:43 |
| Kabouik | Yes, I'll try at home tonight if I can | 16:43 |
| Kabouik | For /packages/ and Pics | 16:43 |
| Kabouik | See you, thanks again folks! | 16:44 |
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| flux | can jolla currently reasonably use 64GB memory cards? yes, if you use ext3/4/btrfs? | 17:26 |
| Lieke | yes | 17:26 |
| flux | but that doesn't work out-of-the-box? | 17:26 |
| flux | iirc there was some android-related permission issues | 17:26 |
| flux | ..and maybe you need to mount it specially? | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | I don't use the android stuff | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | ext4 works out of the box | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | btrfs too but I didn't want to bother with rebalancing | 17:27 |
| flux | just umount, mkfs, remount and then it works? | 17:27 |
| flux | (..or maybe prepare the filesystem beforehand) | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | better prepare the fs beforehand | 17:27 |
| fennekki | btrfs pretty much only needs rebalancing if you have small filesystems, in my experience | 17:27 |
| flux | also, what kind of speeds have people received? | 17:27 |
| fennekki | that are constantly low on space | 17:28 |
| Yaniel | you probably have to kill the automount systemd service | 17:28 |
| fennekki | well, I guess big filesystems low on space too | 17:28 |
| Yaniel | but if you have a ready formatted card, just plug it in | 17:28 |
| Yaniel | it mounts it automagically | 17:28 |
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| flux | I actually used Jolla for setting up RPi2 headless install a while back in a pinch, worked fine :) | 17:30 |
| flux | and there the hotswap worked as expected | 17:30 |
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| * cb400f looks around for frustrated people, before proceeding to install the 1.1.4 update | 17:43 | |
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| raa700 | go for it, you know you want it sooo bad | 17:47 |
| raa700 | also, haven't seen any reports of sh*t hitting the fan | 17:48 |
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| cb400f | :-) | 17:52 |
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| flux | so does the size of ~/.vault ever go down? | 18:01 |
| raa700 | yes, when you clear it | 18:02 |
| flux | ..clear as in.. ? | 18:02 |
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| flux | simply remove backups from settinsg and it should reduce in size? | 18:04 |
| flux | I guess I may have accidentally backed up the gallery then in the previous backup, as I removed all but the last two :) | 18:04 |
| flux | though it sure doesn't look like that when I look at the git log. | 18:05 |
| flux | I don't quite understand how it should even remove anything.. everything git logs show should be there, right? and it doesn't seem to remove anything from the git. | 18:07 |
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| coderus | #SailfishOS live stream about patchmanager starting right now: andreykozhevnikov | 18:11 |
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| flux | well, it does _seem_ to me .vault size never decreases, until when I removed _all_ backups and the directory got recreated | 18:19 |
| flux | also what 'live stream' does coderus refer to?-) | 18:20 |
| flux | ah, twitch | 18:20 |
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| kimmoli | flux: it is a git repo, so everything is incremental change, until you delete repo (?) | 18:50 |
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| flux | kimmoli, well, not quite | 19:00 |
| flux | it tries to keep big files out of the repo proper | 19:00 |
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| flux | but I don't how see how it leverages that to remove the binaries.. if it even tries | 19:00 |
| flux | here's the repo: https://github.com/nemomobile/vault/ | 19:01 |
| kimmoli | yep | 19:01 |
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| Fusl | i can't use the display on my jolla phone anymore. only the swipe to close/put in background/notifications work, but not when i try to interact with an app | 19:11 |
| Fusl | happens in *ANY* app | 19:11 |
| Fusl | all apps have been closed already and restarted | 19:11 |
| Fusl | e.g. mail doesn't work, messages, phone, ... | 19:11 |
| Fusl | any idea whats wrong? | 19:11 |
| Fusl | (btw i can interact with the notifications, but for example not even with settings anymore) | 19:12 |
| Tegu | oh, that's happened to me as well once | 19:12 |
| Tegu | I just rebooted | 19:12 |
| Fusl | i know reboot fixes this because i had this issue alread | 19:12 |
| Fusl | but i want this bug fixed so i don't want to reboot and debug this now | 19:12 |
| Tegu | but I could go to apps from the launcher | 19:13 |
| Tegu | but not from the cover view | 19:13 |
| Tegu | and the covers stayed on the same position behind everything | 19:14 |
| Fusl | i can interact with the "desktop" (running applications overview, app launcher, etc.) | 19:14 |
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| Fusl | if someone wants to debug this, please reply, i have plenty of time to go through debugging and have developer mode + ssh enabled | 19:17 |
| Mikaela | hav you tried searching/posting tgether.jolla.com ? | 19:18 |
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| Fusl | Mikaela: how would you describe this bug? | 19:21 |
| Fusl | "[BUG] Bug found: Bug." | 19:21 |
| Tegu | you just described it a few moments ago | 19:21 |
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| Mikaela | I have no idea, I haven't eperienced it, but ^^ | 19:22 |
| Tegu | does this link work? https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/roskaa/20150422082118.png?_subject_uid=16404117&w=AAC69ctSjQSLmtRlSe0e8WiMWfCF8G5Ww9FNbzQOFmXlag | 19:22 |
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| Fusl | error 403 | 19:22 |
| Tegu | blah | 19:22 |
| Tegu | here goes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16404117/roskaa/20150422082118.png | 19:23 |
| Tegu | I had actually posted that picture here earlier when I got that bug | 19:23 |
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| Fusl | is strange because i can type on the keyboard in a message | 19:24 |
| Fusl | Tegu: lol | 19:24 |
| Fusl | well that didn't happen for me... it just looks completely normal as if the phone has no bugs | 19:24 |
| Tegu | that cover actually shows another screenshot | 19:24 |
| Fusl | but you just can't interact with an app | 19:24 |
| Mikaela | I have experienced that too actually. All apps were on top of the covers and I am not sure was I able to open covers or apps, but some of them wasn't possible | 19:25 |
| Mikaela | they also went on top of lock sreen and I rebooted and haven't seen it since then | 19:25 |
| Tegu | yea, they stayed on the background all the time | 19:25 |
| Fusl | strange | 19:26 |
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| Fusl | https://together.jolla.com/question/91638/faulty-bug-touch-not-working-inside-apps/ | 19:26 |
| Fusl | https://together.jolla.com/question/76536/bug-no-app-touch-input-focus-but-in-lock-home-launcher/ | 19:26 |
| Tegu | iirc I tried to open twitch and then some app got killed and it went like that. not sure about details | 19:26 |
| Mikaela | I think I was switching out of FBReader, but I do that multiple times daily without issues | 19:27 |
| Fusl | someone aware if and how i can disable the jolla boot screen and instead show a normal linux boot log when i turn on the device | 19:29 |
| Fusl | ? | 19:29 |
| Mikaela | that would be nice, +1 | 19:29 |
| Fusl | (splash screen) | 19:30 |
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| coderus | New #SailfishOS patch for removing notifications by swipe. Done in realtime during live streaming: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-notifications-remove-swipe | 19:56 |
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| politie | NicNice | 20:17 |
| oodako | has anyone managed to sync egroupware addressbook using syncevolution? | 20:21 |
| oodako | i keep failing :( | 20:22 |
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| Fusl | /usr/bin/messageserver5 is running with 100% cpu usage, maybe that causes issues, Mikaela & Tegu ? | 20:23 |
| Mikaela | that says nothing to me, sorry | 20:23 |
| Fusl | https://scr.meo.ws/snapshot/2015-05-06-22-23-31-C9kaAXd9.png | 20:23 |
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| Fusl | oh god | 20:24 |
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| Mikaela | Is anyone aware of Skype or some equivalent (VoIP app) that is native to Sailfish? Preferably not SIP as I never learned to use that and now isn't the time to learn | 20:25 |
| Mikaela | ":o ... Either the screenshot/paste is currently uploading or you b0rked it ... (just try to reload the page)" | 20:25 |
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| Fusl | for whatever reason my jolla phone now has a load of 70 and is flooding my network O_o | 20:26 |
| attah | kimmoli: w00t?! http://www.sharpsde.eu/download/LS013B7DH06-002-wSCREEN2png | 20:26 |
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| kimmoli | http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/1-33-inch-memory-lcd.html | 20:30 |
| attah | yes :) | 20:30 |
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| attah | unfortunately not available anywhere yet | 20:31 |
| attah | still.. i ordered a regular on +rfduino to get started | 20:31 |
| attah | now all i need is a percentage ;) | 20:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | roll your own smartwatch | 20:36 |
| r0kk3rz | tbh i just want a normal watch that i can use as an authentication token, and vibrates/led when i get a notification | 20:37 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: that's the idea | 20:38 |
| attah | first part.. | 20:38 |
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| keesj | I got a mail about Äijänpäivänjärvi being available but I don't see any updates on my phone | 20:46 |
| keesj | any clue where to look? | 20:47 |
| coderus | keesj: what is your current version? | 20:47 |
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| keesj | 1.0.2.5 | 20:50 |
| dv_ | my jolla is working nicely again, with Äijänpäivänjärvi now. me happy. :) | 20:52 |
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| keesj | coderus: should that work? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | keesj: sounds odd that you're stuck on 1.0.2.5, could you send a mail to care? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | jolla.zendesk.com | 21:03 |
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| keesj | I did a factory reset and signed in again(downloading 1.1.2.16 as we speak) | 21:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | Hi guys, how do I ssh to the Jolla when connected via usb? | 21:25 |
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| bennypr0fane | I don't know which IP address it's supposed to have | 21:26 |
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| bennypr0fane | I can't look it up on the device, bcs I probably have this: https://together.jolla.com/question/91260/help-11429-almost-bricked-my-device/ | 21:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | 192.168.2.15 via usb usually | 21:29 |
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| bennypr0fane | ...also I may or may not have set ssh to listen on a non-standard port :-( | 21:31 |
| bennypr0fane | needless to say I don't remmeber which one | 21:31 |
| bennypr0fane | :-P | 21:31 |
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| bennypr0fane | shouldn't it be possible to sort of assign one from the pc? | 21:32 |
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| bennypr0fane | Is it possible to get to root Jolla's file system over normal usb host connection? | 21:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | do a port scan then | 21:36 |
| bennypr0fane | r0kk3rz: great idea! How do I do that? | 21:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | nmap | 21:37 |
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| bennypr0fane | wait, something I don't get there: I must first assign an IP address to the Jolla before I can communicate with it, right? | 21:44 |
| bennypr0fane | That means I need to edit the properties of that network connection? | 21:44 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm looking at these instructions now: https://together.jolla.com/question/1919/howto-connecting-to-jolla-via-ssh-over-usb/ I'm on Kubuntu Pc though | 21:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | default is 192.168.2.15, so you will need an ip in that range | 21:49 |
| bennypr0fane | r0kk3rz: you mean for the pc? | 21:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 21:49 |
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| bennypr0fane | I don't understand that, bcs the pc already has an IP from my home router. Can it assign a) itself a b) different address on the usb network? | 21:50 |
| bennypr0fane | or would it be getting that IP from the Jolla? | 21:51 |
| * bennypr0fane 's head is spinning | 21:51 | |
| r0kk3rz | its a different interface, so it has different ip | 21:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | it could already be assigned via rndis, but maybe not | 21:52 |
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| bennypr0fane | but what I need to do is assign an IP to my pc, yes? not to thew Jolla? | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 21:53 |
| r0kk3rz | the jolla should be 192.168.2.15 | 21:53 |
| bennypr0fane | ok, how do I do that? | 21:53 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | see, there I went again... | 22:06 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm in hooray! | 22:07 |
| bennypr0fane | hello | 22:07 |
| bennypr0fane | just checking if I'm still online | 22:07 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | Is there a way to disable all openrepos-repositories at once? | 22:12 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I have like 30 enabled | 22:12 |
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| coderus | BasilSemuonov: why? | 22:13 |
| coderus | sotty | 22:13 |
| coderus | bennypr0fane_: why? | 22:13 |
| BasilSemuonov | coderus, ;) | 22:13 |
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| bennypr0fane | shouldn't there be a way to modify the ssu dr command in such a way that it gets applied to all repos starting with "openrepos-"? | 22:16 |
| coderus | why? | 22:16 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: I haver this problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/91260/help-11429-almost-bricked-my-device/ | 22:17 |
| coderus | disabling repos does not save you | 22:17 |
| coderus | repos are just repos | 22:17 |
| coderus | check btrfs fi show first | 22:18 |
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| bennypr0fane | You suggest in this thread to disable the patches repo | 22:18 |
| coderus | i didn't commented in this thread | 22:19 |
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| bennypr0fane | btw do you see any I could have the usb connection to Jolla active while keeping the pc's internet conecction alive as well? | 22:19 |
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| coderus | i see no problem in it | 22:20 |
| coderus | what is your pc os? | 22:20 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: oops, you are correct. simo said that you made comments, but you dind't. My Pc os is Kubuntu. | 22:20 |
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| coderus | so, you using kubuntu and can't fix your connection? :D | 22:21 |
| bennypr0fane | the problem is as soon as my usb network connection to Jolla is active, my internet connection (cable) drops) | 22:21 |
| bennypr0fane | It just stops working | 22:21 |
| coderus | :D | 22:21 |
| coderus | waht is your eth0 configuration | 22:22 |
| keesj | bennypr0fane this snounds like a network manager problem | 22:22 |
| bennypr0fane | from file:///etc/network/interfaces: auto lo | 22:22 |
| bennypr0fane | iface lo inet loopback | 22:22 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: not sure if you mean that by configuration? | 22:23 |
| coderus | and usb0 is auto? | 22:23 |
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| bennypr0fane | coderus: usb does not show up in that file. | 22:23 |
| coderus | that file is not used | 22:23 |
| coderus | check networkmanager | 22:24 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus: you mean open the gui, or... | 22:24 |
| coderus | yes | 22:24 |
| coderus | click on that network icon in systray | 22:24 |
| bennypr0fane | yep, I get to choose between the connection 2 (internet) and 3 (Jolla) | 22:25 |
| coderus | delete your wired network nad usb from list | 22:26 |
| coderus | and reconnect cables | 22:26 |
| coderus | and* | 22:26 |
| bennypr0fane | delete both ethernet and sub? | 22:26 |
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| bennypr0fane | *usb | 22:27 |
| coderus | yes | 22:27 |
| bennypr0fane | tghen I'll be offline, yes? | 22:27 |
| coderus | yes | 22:27 |
| coderus | reconnect cables and let them use automatic dhcp | 22:27 |
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| bennypr0fane | well this was fun | 22:44 |
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| coderus | so, works? | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | not really. | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus thing is, my pc gets a static IP from the router | 22:46 |
| bennypr0fane | it's 192.168.2.139 | 22:47 |
| coderus | lol | 22:47 |
| coderus | then change jolla to 1 or 3 | 22:47 |
| coderus | ah, you cant because it not working | 22:47 |
| coderus | then change router settings | 22:47 |
| bennypr0fane | I wonder if I should put the same one for the usb network, or whether it has to be different | 22:50 |
| bennypr0fane | Or I might change the static one on the router so that it's on a differnt subnet | 22:50 |
| bennypr0fane | bcs this one is on the same as the Jolla. Do you think that might the cause of the connection problem? | 22:50 |
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| coderus | it should be different subnet | 22:51 |
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| bennypr0fane | is it possible that the router can only assign IP adresses on its own subnet? i.e. the router has 192.168.2.10, ergo it can't give my pc 192.168.3.x, or 192.168.1.x, but only 192.168.2.x ? | 23:00 |
| coderus | of course | 23:05 |
| coderus | you need to setup router dhcp to other subnet | 23:05 |
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| bennypr0fane | http://pastie.org/private/mzjtii5uum7u2gt7go0pa | 23:11 |
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| bennypr0fane | about my router question, was that a "of course the router can do that" or "of course the router cannot do that"? | 23:12 |
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| coderus | of course it can. open router web interface and in lan dhcp settings change subnet | 23:19 |
| coderus | yeah your phone is full | 23:19 |
| coderus | try doing balance manually | 23:20 |
| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | coderus how long would you estimate that takes? | 23:23 |
| coderus | 2-24 hours | 23:24 |
| coderus | you can try to remove/move something big to sdcard | 23:24 |
| coderus | and then balance will take less | 23:24 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't even do this myself! this is way too complicated! | 23:25 |
| coderus | what you can't do | 23:25 |
| coderus | ? | 23:25 |
| bennypr0fane | figure out how to do this whole operation | 23:25 |
| bennypr0fane | it seems for pros only | 23:25 |
| coderus | just start with removing old data, rpm cache, moving proto and video to sdcard | 23:25 |
| coderus | and then to balance | 23:26 |
| coderus | if you read whole page you understand there is just one command you need to execute and wait until it finished | 23:26 |
| bennypr0fane | yeah, and I have to do all that in the command line, because can't use Jolla display | 23:28 |
| bennypr0fane | how am I gonna find out which files to delete? | 23:29 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't know where to start looking. | 23:30 |
| bennypr0fane | Giving up for tonight, bedtime | 23:30 |
| bennypr0fane | Thanks for all your help | 23:30 |
| bennypr0fane | Good night! | 23:30 |
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| coderus | just delete what you know | 23:31 |
| chem|st | coderus: he is gone | 23:31 |
| coderus | old installs, old music/video you do not need | 23:31 |
| coderus | chem|st: yeah :| | 23:31 |
| chem|st | but well we can add android to the list | 23:31 |
| coderus | and nobody reading history of course after returning... | 23:31 |
| coderus | chem|st: wrong window? or i don't understand what are you talknig about :) | 23:32 |
| chem|st | coderus: list of things to delete | 23:32 |
| coderus | yeah :) | 23:32 |
| coderus | can anyone tell sailfishos names on R and Å which was skipped updates? | 23:33 |
| chem|st | people tend to install offline maps and just download until the device says "no space left on device" | 23:33 |
| chem|st | coderus: no clue | 23:34 |
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| chem|st | Åsgard? | 23:34 |
| coderus | :D | 23:34 |
| coderus | cool one | 23:34 |
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| raa700 | probably Raa'anjärvi and Åkantträsket | 23:38 |
| raa700 | http://www.jarviwiki.fi/w/index.php?title=Luokka:Nimi&from=%C3%85 taken from this site, lake&sea wiki | 23:39 |
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