#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-05-05

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politieoh nice update available01:08
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politieanyone tried the dolphin keyboard?02:58
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tadzikI did, I installed it, installed Stroke, launched the app, no visible changes06:44
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lainwir3dhi o/08:11
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Nicd-http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/ubuntu-15-10-name-announced08:32
Nicd-“I would like to announce that we are going to ship a device this year, with a manufacturer, that will fit in your pocket, and be a phone, and will give you a desktop experience. That PC pocket experience is real on Ubuntu.”08:32
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Nicd-'And as for apps? Asked if the likes of WhatsApp, Netflix, iPlayer will be coming to Ubuntu for Phones he answered simply: “Yes”.'08:32
ggabrielwell, the ubuntu desktop experience is pretty bad, but let's watch that space ;)08:33
temmi_foowhat a grate thing dis is08:33
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ggabrieli actually want it to be true08:33
temmi_fooi've always wanted desktop on my mobile and mobile on my desktop08:33
ggabrielmore options is better08:33
ggabrielotoh, if they do the hal, maybe porting sailfish would be easier ;)08:35
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chem|stthe desktop wish could have come true with the tablet... but no display-out... and to move as far away from debian as possible was also a bad idea - not because of .deb packaging... but the closer you stay with a community like that the more you benefit from it08:42
chem|stmy debian developer friends did all buy a N900, now I am probably the only one with a Jolla in town08:43
fluxdid they buy n9 as well?08:43
chem|stsome yes08:43
fluxkeyboard is pretty important to command line people :)08:43
chem|stsome moved on to android as it was with their skills more open than N908:44
chem|stflux: and yes, you would probably get all of them on board with something like the BBPassport+Sailfish08:45
fluxandroid is basically java phone though, so I guess not everyone bought it because of that ;)08:45
chem|stsome still have their n90008:46
chem|stsome do just need a working OS with tethering for their notebook08:46
fluxmy fiance still uses hers.. and I still have mine but it probably has an empty battery.08:46
fluxbut the n9 took some liquid damage :)08:46
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SQUelcherI'm still using my E90, bought the N900 on launch day but used it only for some days.. after that, it became an internet radio player :P08:51
ggabrieli find that moving away from debian is a good thing, mainly because i don't like debian. then again, that's just my taste (or perhaps the fact that they have been naughty once or twice ;-) )08:52
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TemeVI've swithced a couple of times away from debian based distros on desktop and always switched back at some point :)08:55
TemeVYesterday I installed Fedora, let's see how that works :)08:56
ggabrieli used fedora for my ex gf's lappy08:56
ggabrielmostly because it was the only distro that supported certain drivers at that time08:56
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ggabrielit's impressive how quickly that situation changes08:56
ggabrielsometimes debian is ahead, some times fedora, etc08:56
ggabrielesp for "unusual" laptops08:56
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Nicd-arch linux <308:56
ggabrielbut then i never let go of fedora08:56
ggabrielarch linux wasn't a thing then08:57
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ggabrielfor a standard user, any distro goes08:57
ggabrielreally08:57
TemeVI tried arch but got fed up with all the manual work08:57
TemeVAnd compiling stuff and hunting dependencies08:57
Nicd-I haven't used arch on desktop though08:57
ggabrielwell, i like gentoo :D08:57
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Nicd-I use it on my server and haven't had to compile anything08:58
ggabrieland i enjoy compiling everything08:58
Nicd-but I still get to have all the latest stuff08:58
Yanielyou only have to compile stuff on arch if you install from AUR08:58
Nicd-yeah08:58
ggabrielbut compiling is good for you08:59
ggabrielesp in winter08:59
Nicd-maybe I'll install arch on my old macbook since it's now otherwise useless09:00
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TemeVCompiling is not that bad, but the dependencies...09:02
ggabrielwell, gentoo is your friend with that09:03
ggabrieli rarely worry about deps09:03
TemeVOr anything debian based09:03
TemeVThough they are not bleeding edge09:03
ggabrielactually, gentoo is really nice when you do need to copmile manually09:03
ggabrielas everything comes with headers and so forth09:04
ggabrielmore often than not, the deps are already there09:04
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TemeVGentoo is just too hc for me :)09:06
ggabrieli don't consider myself hc09:07
TemeVI thought I like "building my own linux" with arc, but in the end I didn't09:07
ggabrielthen again, i learned so much with gentoo, i'm almost grateful09:07
TemeVGentoo is just the same in that regard09:07
ggabrielnot as bad as building obsd from source ;)09:07
ggabrielwell, i learned a fair bit of lvm with fedora while migrating hd's, laptops09:08
ggabrieli'm grateful for that too09:08
ggabrielit was fun09:08
the_mgt+1 for gentoo09:08
TemeVI just learned some btrfs when installing fedora to a subvolume along side mint09:08
TemeVAnd also when I moved my debian install to btrfs subvolume09:08
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TemeVNow I have on my desktop fedora and mint on the same btrfs volume in different subvolumes09:09
ggabrielcan't risk btrfs on desktop just yet09:09
ggabrielone day ;)09:09
Nicd-I should really try ZFS09:09
Nicd-being meaning to for a long time09:10
TemeVBTRFS should be quite stable with recent kernels09:10
the_mgtI think bein "quite stable" is not what I want to use for my precious data09:10
ggabrielpeople say btrfs is stable, but mine is a work lappy09:10
ggabrielcan't really play with that stuff09:11
the_mgtI used to use reiserfs and xfs for a while. now I am all ext409:11
ggabrieli have backups and stuff, but i can't afford the downtime if anything happened09:11
chem|stmy move from fedora to debian 8 years ago is something I will probably never regret, despite the fact that debian stable is always some kind of old, it just works - my desktop is always in testig or even some unstable, all derivates I tried on my netbook and other distros... made me shrugg, I ended up installing debian, with 6.5h batterylife in mind it lasts longer watching movies than my N900 does09:11
Nicd-my problem with debian is exactly that it's always so old. so I ended up installing some from backports, some from testing, some from unstable09:12
Nicd-quickly became a mess09:12
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the_mgtthat's why I use gentoo, it is easy enough to roll your own package and keep it fairly up to date09:12
the_mgtif you use some of those binary only distros and you start installing from source, it becomes a pita after the fifth package09:13
ggabrieltrue that with gentoo, takes a bit of a learning curve to handle ebuilds, but then it's fairly easy09:13
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Nicd-that's why I use arch, I get to have all the lates stuff with no effort on my part09:13
ggabrielalso, probably somebody already did the ebuild and all you do is add somebody's repo09:13
the_mgtyep. also, for me, it is either a rolling distro or something with 5 years of maintenance cycle. depends on what I need or what my clients need09:14
ggabrielquite a niche market gentoo for clients ;)09:15
ggabrielthis reminds me i should check gentoo with freebsd one day09:15
ggabrieljust for the lulz09:15
lainwir3di use btrfs on my laptop and work computer09:23
lainwir3dquite happy with it honestly09:23
lainwir3dquite a recent kernel though (3.19.5 from latest fedora)09:24
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chem|stNicd-: ehrm, using server productivity grade linux and then wonder why it is no bleeding edge, then pimping it outside of the box and you are wondering why it is a mess? that mess is caused by you not debian. gentoo is genfoo... and just for the case, we came to that discussion from Ubuntu Mobile Desktop stuff, in respect to a phone OS I very much would like to have fcking rock-solid-server-productive-never_reboot-debian_stable like software...10:15
Nicd-that's why I said it was *my* problem10:16
Nicd-I run the latest stuff so debian is not for me10:16
chem|stNicd-: sure... but latest stuff? what do you have, a new laptop every week?10:17
chem|stwhat is "latest stuff"?10:17
chem|stand it is not that having just a testing install would not give you some years of closer to the edge, then freez for a couple of months then you get the new stuff again10:18
Nicd-I said I run it on my server10:23
Nicd-latest stuff is stuff like PHP 5.6, PostgreSQL 9.4, Linux 4.0, Python 3.4, Erlang 17.5, WeeChat 1.1.1, systemd 219 etc etc10:24
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arnejSo just use Arch, Gentoo, Exherbo or something like that if you want bleeding edge :)10:46
ggabrielfwiw, gentoo has -hardened10:47
ggabrieland i always found gentoo to be a step ahead of debian security wise10:47
ggabrieland when I say "always", I refer to at least 5 years ago when I used to play with that stuff ;)10:47
arnejI used Gentoo, then Exherbo and I'm currently happy with Arch. We will see how long that will stay :)10:48
chem|stNicd-: oh so you 'need' latest linuxkernel on a server...?10:48
chem|stNicd-: at least you did not say mysql ;)10:50
* ggabriel wonders what is php without mysql :P10:50
arnejFor me it's for the desktop and I need latest kernel and mesa. My server runs debian stable10:51
chem|starnej: what is your 'need' requirement?10:52
arnejchem|st: I'm running radeonsi which gets much better with every release10:52
chem|starnej: I do too but I don't get it, I 'steam' just fine with a 6970, with radeon driver not fglrx, as soon as I did not need openCL anymore I dodged it10:54
arnejchem|st: There is also my preference for the rolling release model10:55
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chem|starnej: I'd like that too but all rolling release models I tried broke so badly at some point...10:57
chem|stand debian-testing is pretty much rolling release apart of the freeze every 2 years10:58
arnejYes and as I said: We will see how long I'm satisfied with Arch :) I know I have to do something on my own from time to time but that's not a problem for me11:02
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Nicd-chem|st: I do have MariaDB as well for some stuff that only runs on it. the latest linux kernel I don't really need but at least I could play with btrfs if I wanted to. it's fun to try the latest things11:17
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chem|stNicd-: I try "new" things in an env I do not care about breaking it for a couple of days...11:28
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temmi_foofor anybody who happens to be in .fi later this moon http://ell-i.org/holistic-hackathon/11:37
Nicd-chem|st: I don't care too much about breaking this :P11:39
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TMavicakimmoli: big mouth, cantonese not working12:51
kimmoliTMavica: höh12:56
kimmoliTMavica: maybe because i convert text through Latin1 or something12:58
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coderusSailfishOS SDK 1504 Available now: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-May/006062.html13:27
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stephgwoop13:28
ggabrielshiny13:28
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stephgohai ggabriel13:30
ggabrielo/ stephg13:30
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Kabouik_Guys, I still can't get the last Sailfish update, though I enabled the "opt-in" option14:00
ggabrielKabouik_: it's public now14:00
Kabouik_Last time, I did update using a command line that I should never have used. I just read that AFTER I used the command.14:00
ggabrielso, it's released in stages14:00
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Kabouik_I guess it's why I can't get the update now, any tip?14:00
ggabrielbe on WLAN, be patient14:00
ggabrielok, not sure what command you used...14:00
Kabouik_Well let me try to find it again14:01
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Kabouik_(By the way, it's so annoying that TJC never keeps me logged in...)14:01
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Kabouik_https://together.jolla.com/question/89804/release-notes-114-aijanpaivanjarvi/?answer=89817#post-id-89817 here it is ggabriel, and my post at the bottom14:05
ggabrielyou used the version --dup command then?14:06
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Kabouik_Yep.14:07
Kabouik_I'll probably end up in hell.14:07
Kabouik_But I read that I should not use this... Just after I used it.14:07
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ggabrielso, you ended up doing ssu re 1.1.4.28?14:08
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Kabouik_So here I did what Aard recommended in his reply ("ssu re 1.1.4.28"), but still no update14:08
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ggabrielwell, i'm not 100% sure14:08
ggabrielbut i'd wait a little bit14:08
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ggabrielfwiw, I haven't got the update myself either14:08
Kabouik_I should have had the opt-in anyway, that's why I'm worrying14:09
ggabrieli have no clue as to how the opt-in works14:09
Kabouik_Alright, thanks anyway14:09
Kabouik_If anyone knows how I can fix that, please highlight me! :]14:10
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coderusssu re 1.1.4.2914:18
coderusAard: ssu mode 16 does nothing now :(14:20
coderusonly editing ssu ini file works14:20
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Kabouik_Still no update available with ssu re 1.1.4.29 coderus14:22
Kabouik_Settings/Sailfish OS updates/ shows that I'm in 1.1.2.13. Is that the last one before 1.1.4.28? My Jolla is up to date, except from this very last update I can't get14:23
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CityLights2I am still missing a search in the email app14:29
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CityLights2when is it due14:29
CityLights2I really need it14:30
Kabouik_I do too14:30
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lainwir3dtrue that it's honestly quite annoying to not have any search in email app14:32
ggabrielthe feature is there fwiw14:33
ggabrielbut if you want a nice ui search box, well, you can vote in tjc14:33
ggabrielnot sure that one has a roadmap label on it14:33
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lainwir3dwait what ?14:39
lainwir3dthe feature is there but there is no ui for it ?14:39
ggabrielyeah, you can scroll the emails and look for what you're looking for with your eyes14:39
ggabriel-or- use sqlite14:39
ggabrieli personally grep  my mailbox14:39
ggabrieladmittedly, i'm kind of trolling14:39
lainwir3dhehe14:40
lainwir3dok14:40
ggabrielbut search in emails isn't something i necessarily miss so much14:40
ggabrielasking "when is it due" is kind of pushing it... there's tjc, evreybody knows about tjc14:40
ggabrieluse tjc14:40
ggabrielbe happy14:40
Kabouik_It's something I really miss a lot, I even opened a TJC request on that right when TJC opened its doors14:40
Kabouik_It's mandatory when you receive several tens of emails per day and have to check them later, or find attached files14:41
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ggabrielok, so then people have to vote for it14:41
ggabrielit may be mandatory for you14:41
ggabrielhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/page:1/14:41
Kabouik_That's what I said ggabriel14:41
Kabouik_Mandatory "when you" :]14:41
ggabrieloh, ok14:42
ggabrielit's interesting to see what most people consider important14:42
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ggabrieli do agree with the first one though14:42
Kabouik_https://together.jolla.com/question/298/feature-request-quick-search-in-mail-app/?sort=votes&page=1 the question is here lainwir3d, and as you're there, consider voting for that too: https://together.jolla.com/question/9484/feature-req-add-mark-as-unread-to-the-pull-menu-when-reading-an-e-mail/14:43
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lainwir3dthanks :)14:46
ggabrielyeah, i've voted for the search one already14:47
ggabrielthe mark as unread i'm not so sure14:47
ggabrieli think more basic work has to be done with that pulley14:47
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Kabouik_Yet you'll never find any webmail that has no "Set as unread" button INSIDE the emails, that's because it is inconvenient to go back to the list and find the email you've just read in a list full of other read emails :]14:48
Kabouik_Especially true with the multi-account support in the Jolla eMail app, as the unified view only shows unread messages, read messages immediately disappear from this list14:49
Kabouik_But well, there are plenty of important things to do, it's a tough task to find priorities14:49
lainwir3dtrue14:50
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ggabrieli ack that you'll def need a richer client for the tablet for example14:55
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ggabrielbut the email client as it is in sailfish is more powerful than the android one14:55
ggabrieleven though the android one has search capabilities14:55
ggabriele.g., it has search capabilities on the few emails it's able to download instead of searching through everything14:56
ggabrielso the only thing i use android for in that case is for tethering and then i search with thunderbird :P14:56
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lainwir3dWhat's android ?15:01
ggabrielan open source  mobile os, allegedly15:01
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intehello17:21
inteis there an app availaple which can initiate an action on wifi-connect and disconnect17:22
coderusinte: situations, phonebot17:23
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_inte_well, again, sorrz17:25
_inte_is there an app available that can initiate action on connection/disconnection to a certain wifi network?17:26
_inte_i don't have mobile reception @home and i want my phone to automatically divert calls to my POTS-line when I'm @home17:26
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_inte_I thought that might be the easiest effort to solve this issue17:27
_inte_doing it manually leads to often forgetting to switch off the divert which may confuse my friends :)17:28
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r0kk3rz_inte_: [18:23]coderusinte: situations, phonebot17:34
_inte_r0kk3rz: are those on openrepos?17:35
r0kk3rzi have no idea, they were coderus' suggestions17:36
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r0kk3rzbut i think situations is on the jolla store17:36
_inte_ah I see17:36
_inte_thx!!17:37
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_inte_ok situations may detect the wifi network17:42
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_inte_but there doesnt seem to be a way to set the divert17:43
_inte_i could write a little helper-app and do that through that app if this is allowed by the security mechanisms17:44
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_inte_at least it is not possible to send sms automatically/without confirmation17:45
_inte_at least afair17:45
coderusyou want to put that to harbour??17:47
_inte_no17:47
_inte_i just want to divert calls automatically to my landline when i'm in vicinity of my home wifi17:47
coderusokay, just for curiosity: why you need sms, and why divert calls to landline?17:51
_inte_I don't have reception at home17:51
_inte_mobile reception17:51
_inte_there is no thing like wifi calling in germany17:51
coderusoh, iron house?17:51
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_inte_well, rural area17:51
_inte_both, actually :)17:52
coderusand what about sms?17:52
_inte_reception within buildings is often very poor in germany17:52
coderussms to setup divert?17:52
_inte_no through code-calling17:52
_inte_don't know the word17:52
coderusyeah, we have ussd for divert17:52
_inte_sms was just an example17:52
coderusso, you don't need sms actually?17:52
_inte_ussd, exactely17:52
coderususe telepathy api17:52
coderusit can do anything without user confirmation17:53
coderusbecause it very low level stuff17:53
_inte_i can do sms through the "jolla communicator" from my PC :)17:53
r0kk3rzyou can also do it via dbus17:53
r0kk3rzyou can probably set a redirect via dbus too17:53
_inte_r0kk3rz: send ussd via dbus?17:53
coderusr0kk3rz: dbus send ussd without confirmation?17:54
r0kk3rzwell, sms for sure.17:54
_inte_but probably only with confirmation as coderus stated17:54
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_inte_the other thing is there doesn't seem to be a "not connected to" option in situations17:55
_inte_which will leave the diverted state even after I left my home17:55
r0kk3rzit shouldnt17:55
coderusr0kk3rz: show us how :)17:56
r0kk3rzkimmo had this for sending sms https://github.com/kimmoli/aciidsms/blob/master/src/sms.cpp17:57
r0kk3rzmaybe need to introspect ofono a bit more for ussd17:57
r0kk3rzmaybe something a little like this https://github.com/intgr/ofono/blob/master/test/send-ussd17:58
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kimmoliuh, irc highlighted url spoken out in finnish sounds awkward18:00
inte_awaybtw, coderus, if you're still working on a whatsapp-clone based on yowsup, you might be interested in this interesting read (in German, though): http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/Der-WhatsApp-Verschluesselung-auf-die-Finger-geschaut-2629020.html18:01
inte_awayr0kk3rz: a python-script that works on jolla too?18:02
r0kk3rzkimmoli: haha18:02
r0kk3rzinte_away: no idea, but jolla also uses ofono so maybe18:03
inte_awayr0kk3rz: true, worth a try18:03
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inte_awaystill here18:04
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_inte_well I guess I will have to look a bit deeper into that, but it seems to me that if I only need the redirect and nothing else it might probably easier to put it all together in a seperate app than using situations18:05
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attahrfduino + round(?) sharp memory lcd = win? :D18:45
Stskeepsworth trying18:45
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attahi wonder if how i will feel about yet another half-finished project...18:47
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kimmoliattah: just set target accordingly, " i'll finish this 50%"18:47
Stskeepsput the half-finished project on kickstarter?18:48
attahoh yeah.. that's what the cool kids do :P18:48
temmi_foowas rfduino the one that boasted having telnet?18:49
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attahdon't know.. i'll check18:50
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attahbtw.. BLE is a no-go on the jolla?18:52
Stskeepswell, talk to javispedro18:53
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attahnoted.. if i can find him that is18:56
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keithzg_"The graph below shows that users from Finland are using emoji characters in over 60% of text!"19:10
keithzg_( http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/117889701472/emojineering-part-1-machine-learning-for-emoji )19:10
keithzg_Yeesh, what is with you Finns? ;)19:10
* keithzg_ 's country, Canada, is apparently at 35%19:11
temmi_foowe're just so damn depressed :)19:11
keithzg_😱19:11
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keithzg_😢19:12
attahmaybe åäö counts as emojis?19:12
Stskeepshaha19:13
temmi_foopossibru19:13
temmi_fooääliö! älä lyö! ööliä läikkyy.19:13
warfareGesundheit.19:13
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coderus_inte_: "org.ofono", "/ril_0", "org.ofono.SupplementaryServices" "Initiate" works fine19:20
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kimmolimicrosoft did break finnish news-threshold by announcing that windows 10 will have "middle finger emoji"..19:31
Nicd-well, it's in the unicode standard so everyone's gonna have it eventually19:32
dunpis it linus finger?19:33
Nicd-or nvidia finger19:34
Nicd-anyway, I just added emoji support to my IRC client19:35
Nicd-or enabled rather19:35
Yanielmaybe I can live with plain old ssh for a while if I get it working too19:35
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politiejust got the newest updated dolphin keyboard + emoji, good shit21:31
politiecolor emojis21:32
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AL13N_jolla_i cant see the new release notes22:22
AL13N_jolla_ssl downgrade error22:22
AL13N_jolla_client downgraded to a lower TLS version than the server supports22:23
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fennekkiAL13N_jolla_: yeah that happens sometimes22:40
fennekkiI got it when connectivity was poor, for some reason22:40
AL13N_jolla_ic22:41
AL13N_jolla_but i have it consistently now22:41
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AL13N_jolla_is the statfs thing fixed?22:43
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