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| entil | coderus: well, I implemented another api method yesterday for textsecure and every once in a while I have some crisis of faith wrt the effort if whatsapp really is secure to the point of metadata | 06:25 |
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| coderus | entil: what are you talking about? | 08:51 |
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| pdanek | Hello folks, | 13:31 |
| pdanek | I need to start using some pay-as-you-go VOIP to phone call service. | 13:31 |
| pdanek | Like Skype or Viber have, call out. | 13:32 |
| pdanek | Which one would you recommend? Viber has quite high prices, Skype is cheap, but Skype android app is awfully unstable on Jolla. | 13:32 |
| pdanek | Any other one? Possibly with native app for Jolla? | 13:33 |
| Teme | right off the bat i can say there is no native app | 13:35 |
| Teme | at least one that is a chat service in addition - there might be some VOIP only thing that uses just part of the major APIs or something, unlikely though | 13:36 |
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| Teme | since if such a native app existed, it would be super popular like MitäKuuluu was | 13:37 |
| Teme | for calls only... maybe someone has hacked something together? | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: SOON™ has SIP | 13:39 |
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| entil | coderus: that I'm not sure if textsecure is worth it.. I mean, it might not be, if the only thing whatsapp leaks is metadata and everyone's happy using it | 13:48 |
| entil | coderus: except maybe as a programming exercise | 13:48 |
| entil | (of course whatsapp being a dick about 3rd party clients helps, but no one cares about it except some jolla owners) | 13:50 |
| temmi_foo | so why is it that everybody is using whatsthat then? | 13:51 |
| entil | I dunno why it was originally adopted and only some friends of mine use it because of axolotl, so beats me | 13:51 |
| temmi_foo | i think it's because people thought "oooo i'm not giving that creep my email address but i can give out this legacy number string nobody uses anymore" | 13:53 |
| temmi_foo | or something | 13:53 |
| politie | 😂 | 13:53 |
| entil | my point is that apparently ows's involvement wasn't a one-off deal but there is still ongoing effort into making whatsapp safer | 13:54 |
| Nicd- | politie: I got emoji support working :) | 13:54 |
| Nicd- | or maybe I should say 😎 | 13:54 |
| politie | ah very nice 👍 | 13:54 |
| politie | got an emoji script? | 13:54 |
| entil | so if whatsapp actually becomes real safe and secure and it's widely used, how should the open-source/eff crowd explain switching over to textsecure? "but facebook can still use your metadata"? | 13:55 |
| Nicd- | politie: no, but OS X has emoji input | 13:55 |
| wysiwtf | the approach on making wa safer is halfhearted at best | 13:56 |
| politie | Nicd-, oh i see thats nice, like a popup window? | 13:56 |
| wysiwtf | afaik it only works between android clients and only on android 4.1.x+ | 13:56 |
| entil | wysiwtf: I'd be willing to believe moxie on this; they have a metric shit-ton of users | 13:56 |
| entil | if they're still in works to port it onwards, there is effort | 13:57 |
| wysiwtf | entil: also it doesant even show if your message was encrypted or not | 13:57 |
| wysiwtf | also no encryption in the webinterface, which would be the logical place to start | 13:57 |
| entil | yeah, I'm not converting into a fan of whatsapp, them blocking unofficial clients is enough to put me off, but that e2e encryption makes it harder to advocate against | 13:57 |
| wysiwtf | nor on ios, but that can be because of apple foo | 13:57 |
| entil | does apple forbid e2e encryption? | 13:58 |
| wysiwtf | i wouldnt be surprised :p | 13:58 |
| entil | the metadata thing can be bad enough, though | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | politie: the IME at least suggests emoji where appropriate | 13:58 |
| Yaniel | (and sometimes where not) | 13:58 |
| entil | and I don't know how any of the encryption works wrt ios, like how the android client decides that the recipient is ios and doesn't encrypt, or encrypts for the server's key, or whatever it does | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | politie: yeah, ctrl-cmd-space and a little window pops up where you can select emoji and other special characters | 13:59 |
| entil | but now I got to go & | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | oh, nice to know Nicd- | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | sadly it doesn't work in sublime text. but it does work in iTerm2 | 14:00 |
| politie | Nicd-, thats convenient, i type :joy: than press tab nad it appears | 14:00 |
| temmi_foo | 👌 | 14:00 |
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| temmi_foo | i'm not able to see what i just typed though | 14:00 |
| politie | pico bello | 14:01 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: so what did you have to build yourself to get it working? | 14:02 |
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| Nicd- | also installed emoji support to my jolla | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | because people were sending me boxes with xs in them :) | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 14:02 |
| temmi_foo | Nicd-: don't peek | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | just needs a font I suppose? | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I'll write the instructions to my blog soon, but you need to build libwcwidth.so and then LD_PRELOAD it (for weechat) | 14:02 |
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| Nicd- | temmi_foo: sensitive? | 14:03 |
| temmi_foo | :) | 14:03 |
| temmi_foo | i'm using iterm2 and a monospace font i cannot remember the name of | 14:03 |
| temmi_foo | apparently no emoji wtf8 support in this | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | temmi_foo: what client? | 14:04 |
| temmi_foo | you just peeked! :) | 14:04 |
| temmi_foo | weechat | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: dunno what jolla needs but I just installed the emoji keyboard from openrepos | 14:04 |
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| Nicd- | temmi_foo: oh, I didn't stick around since it was taking so long :D | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | well, read the LD_PRELOAD thing | 14:04 |
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| Nicd- | also the font symbola is useful if your OS is lacking in font support | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | had to get that for my ubuntu system | 14:05 |
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| temmi_foo | is it monospace? | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | I don't think so. but usually terminals can resize it to monospace | 14:06 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: why LD_PRELOAD? does it make stuff explode in my face if it is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? | 14:06 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: don't ask me. I don't deal with this stuff, I just followed the instructions I got :P | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | you probably know better | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | I'll see if I have time to write up the instructions today | 14:08 |
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| pdanek | chem|st: SOON™? | 14:12 |
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| pdanek | Have anyone tried Comtube? Seems to be decent Russian service. | 14:15 |
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| pdanek | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=comtube.ipphone.sipua | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: SOON™ is Jolla is working on it so it will be available SOON™ | 14:29 |
| pdanek | good! | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | I am one of the peops who cannot wait for it as I am using SIP as my landline | 14:30 |
| flux | SOON™ I will be able to use Jolla as my intercom?! | 14:31 |
| temmi_foo | https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-3459 | 14:32 |
| temmi_foo | lets not do this kind of security, okay? | 14:32 |
| neg | I'm sure this gets asked alot, but is there source I can follow the status of 1.1.4 ? | 14:32 |
| temmi_foo | http://www.hospira.com/en/products_and_services/infusion_pumps/Lifecare/ <-- it is a medication pump you can break root via telnet | 14:33 |
| temmi_foo | be very afraid of the world jumping on iot train | 14:34 |
| xfade__ | neg: https://together.jolla.com/question/89804/release-notes-114-aijanpaivanjarvi/ | 14:35 |
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| neg | xfade__: thanks | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | also here on IRC | 14:42 |
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| narchie | so is the new patch ever coming | 15:27 |
| narchie | I still c an't see any battery indicator | 15:27 |
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| Tegu | ... | 16:32 |
| Tegu | I guess it froze | 16:32 |
| Tegu | trying to update and the progress bar has not gone anywhere in 5-10 minutes | 16:32 |
| Tegu | gg | 16:32 |
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| Tegu | at least I did connected it to the charger beforehand | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: i think it does a BTRFS balance during the upgrade, so it may take some time | 16:39 |
| Tegu | ah | 16:39 |
| Tegu | good to know | 16:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | exactly when it does that in the process im not sure | 16:39 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: also in the release notes "In such cases, the OS update appears to be stalled, however it is just waiting for the installations to complete before attempting to upgrade the OS. Just wait patiently, the worst thing to do here is to reboot the device!" | 16:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | talking about many people upgrading at once and overloading the servers | 16:46 |
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| coderus | entil: sorry, i still can't understand what you want to tell for me :) | 16:49 |
| Tegu | r0kk3rz: yea, wasn't going to reboot that. and I think I've read that earlier as well although I did not read it now | 16:50 |
| Tegu | r0kk3rz: I downloaded it already, how does the servers affect anything now? | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | just noticed that in the release notes | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | does seem an odd thing to have your phone in a brickable situation relying on network connections | 16:52 |
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| Tegu | ah yea.. now I guess I understood, so it tries to update other stuff. so yea, relying on network wouldn't be really good at that point | 16:53 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like it might have been unavoidable thing for this update | 16:55 |
| r0kk3rz | otherwise we would have seen it in previous updates | 16:55 |
| Tegu | I'll just wait. ~half an hour and counting | 16:55 |
| pdanek | Is anyone here mainframe guy? z/OS systems programmer? | 16:57 |
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| Tegu | an hour | 17:17 |
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| entil | coderus: nothing at you :D I was just generally musing about the situation | 17:24 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel, temmi_foo: https://blog.nytsoi.net/#!/2015/05/04/emoji-support-for-weechat | 17:32 |
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| temmi_foo | i'm constantly reading Tegu as Tengu | 17:33 |
| Yaniel | you're not the only one | 17:36 |
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| Tegu | you two aren't the only ones either :) been hearing that for years | 17:39 |
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| temmi_foo | so do you have a proper mask then? | 17:41 |
| temmi_foo | one of the most annoying encounters in hack is a tengu | 17:42 |
| temmi_foo | they're damn fast to attack and you never score a hit | 17:43 |
| Tegu | in what dungeon level is it? I probably have never got that far | 17:43 |
| temmi_foo | they're pretty rare but can be seen just about anywhere | 17:44 |
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| Lucky_luke | we lost fb chat guys ? | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | Lucky_luke: yes | 18:09 |
| Lucky_luke | i cant install grid 3x3 grid | 18:09 |
| Lucky_luke | now | 18:09 |
| Lucky_luke | we must wait any update; | 18:10 |
| coderus | Lucky_luke: no, facebook crap on users and developers | 18:10 |
| scottc | Lucky_luke: fb chat works fine for me, i had to re-add it as a generic XMPP accout though | 18:10 |
| scottc | except now it spams 100 notifications every day saying "you logged in from a new device" :/ | 18:11 |
| Lucky_luke | so i delete and install again | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | scottc: O_o | 18:11 |
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| Lucky_luke | any help for 3x3 grid ? | 18:12 |
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| scottc | Stskeeps: but i've got facebook chat so I've got that going for me, which is nice :D | 18:13 |
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| Lucky_luke | for fv chat we wait an update? | 18:13 |
| Tegu | nearly two hours. maybe it will eventually show some visible progress! | 18:14 |
| Lucky_luke | ok | 18:14 |
| Tegu | Lucky_luke: oh sry | 18:15 |
| Tegu | Lucky_luke: didn't respond to your message | 18:15 |
| Tegu | was talking about my update progress | 18:15 |
| Lucky_luke | any help for patch 3x3 grid ? | 18:15 |
| Lucky_luke | failed to install | 18:15 |
| Lucky_luke | with last update | 18:15 |
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| coderus | have only 3x4 grid. | 18:53 |
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| kimmoli | i hate this | 19:21 |
| Tegu | three hours. the progress bar hasn't gone anywhere yet | 19:22 |
| Nicd- | what progress bar? what do we hate? | 19:23 |
| * kimmoli hates audio resourcing... (lib)(audio)resource(-qt)(5) nothing found, nothing builds out of the git, grrr | 19:23 | |
| Tegu | I started installing the sailfish update around three hours ago and the progress bar hasn't moved yet | 19:23 |
| kimmoli | git reset --hard has been my friend | 19:23 |
| Tegu | and I don't dare to reboot | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | oh 1.1.4 is officially released? or still early access? | 19:24 |
| Tegu | it was released today, yes | 19:25 |
| entil | it's out, the ex just installed it, and I upgraded from the early access version | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | I don't get any upgrade from early access | 19:25 |
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| entil | maybe my early access was earlier than your early access | 19:26 |
| fennekki | even earlier access | 19:26 |
| fennekki | three different early access tiers: early access, earlier access, earliest access | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | late night access even | 19:27 |
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| entil | saturday night access | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | what could possibly go wrong | 19:28 |
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| Acce | nice to have access at 3 am | 19:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | zero qa everythings broken access | 20:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | which would be awesome if we could be more involved in the development process | 20:17 |
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| Tegu | hour 5: still no progress on the update | 21:40 |
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