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| jcbjoe | anyone alive ? | 03:38 |
| wmarone | hm | 03:42 |
| wmarone | #sailfishos? | 03:42 |
| jcbjoe | yea and there is 1 more | 03:43 |
| jcbjoe | i think i figured it out | 03:43 |
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| Mikaela | Hi, last night my Jolla closed all running apps and today it's complaining about "no space being left on the device". I started by blaming BTRFS, but it's not it <http://sprunge.us/eaOb> and there seems to be plenty of space in /home <http://sprunge.us/TAAS> where I am unable to remove empty directories | 09:01 |
| Mikaela | btrfs-balance also complains about no space being left on device / | 09:01 |
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| Yaniel | the btrfs balance service was supposed to run last night | 09:04 |
| Yaniel | and looks like for me it did | 09:04 |
| Yaniel | maybe something went wrong with it? `systemctl status brtfs-balance.service` | 09:05 |
| Mikaela | I am thinking that maybe it caused all apps to close for me. Fusl said elsewhere that the same happened to her, but she said nothing about space | 09:06 |
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| Mikaela | nothing http://sprunge.us/AZQN | 09:07 |
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| Nicd- | yay, my btrfs-balance service ran successfully last night | 09:08 |
| Fusl | [root@Jolla ~]# systemctl status brtfs-balance.service | 09:09 |
| Fusl | brtfs-balance.service | 09:09 |
| Fusl | Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) | 09:09 |
| Fusl | Active: inactive (dead) | 09:09 |
| Fusl | umm | 09:09 |
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| Nicd- | Fusl: are you on 1.1.4? | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | it's only in that update | 09:10 |
| Scelt | I am and says same to me | 09:10 |
| Fusl | 1.1.4.28 | 09:11 |
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| Mikaela | Fusl: you had to use the manual update with ssu, hadn't you? maybe that caused it to not be installed | 09:22 |
| Fusl | yea | 09:22 |
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| coderus | btrfs-balance.service, not brtfs :D | 09:59 |
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| * zutto yells BUTTERFS | 10:01 | |
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| Nicd- | oh haha | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | Fusl: try again with btrfs instead of brtfs :) | 10:02 |
| coderus | 1.1.4.29 bugfix released: https://together.jolla.com/question/89804/release-notes-114-aijanpaivanjarvi-early-access/ | 10:02 |
| Nicd- | cool | 10:03 |
| Morpog_PC | I would welcome a hotfix which gives us more ram :D damn modem firmware...... | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: just browse to http://downloadmoreram.com/ on the device | 10:04 |
| Morpog_PC | great advice! :D much wow! so ram | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | they have a great deal on 4 GB of RAM, previously $199.99, now free! | 10:04 |
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| coderus | :D | 10:07 |
| Morpog_PC | Without alien-dalvik and it's apps the ram would be enough.... | 10:08 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | kill alien if you do not need it | 10:11 |
| temmi_foo | kill all humans | 10:12 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I do need it unfortunately SfietKonstantinW | 10:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | which apps do you need ? | 10:13 |
| Morpog_PC | facebook messenger, whatsapp constantly | 10:14 |
| coderus | install my aliendalvik settings applet :) | 10:14 |
| Morpog_PC | some others from time to time | 10:14 |
| Fusl | Nicd-: oh, yea | 10:15 |
| Fusl | same output as Mikaela's | 10:15 |
| Morpog_PC | seriously thinking about getting a cheap android device as daily driver and playing around with jolla phone and using tablet as main sailfishos device | 10:16 |
| Morpog_PC | and then giving the next jolla phone another chance :D | 10:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there are alternative whatsapp clients :) | 10:19 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and I hope, one day, alternative facebook chat clients :) | 10:19 |
| temmi_foo | so what is the deal with whatsthat? | 10:20 |
| temmi_foo | i mean, people are all over like HERE IS MY TELEPHONE NUMBER PLS HARASS ME | 10:20 |
| Mikaela | there are, but they don't see messages sent from other alternative clients | 10:20 |
| Morpog_PC | Well, MItakuuluu3 is not yet ready and whatsup is not feature ready | 10:20 |
| temmi_foo | before whatsthat nobody gave their telephone number to anybody they weren't personal friends with | 10:20 |
| Morpog_PC | temmi_foo, the deal is everyone uses it. fullstop | 10:21 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: mitakuuluu3 have even less features for a moment :D | 10:21 |
| temmi_foo | so suddenly giving your telephone number to semiunknowns became mandatory | 10:21 |
| Morpog_PC | It's like like asking 10 years back: whats the deal about ICQ? | 10:21 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, yeah, thats why I have to use alien-dalvik even longer :( | 10:24 |
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| zutto | Morpog_PC: the people you know uses it | 10:24 |
| temmi_foo | Morpog_PC: well yes and then msn messenger won and you could give either icq or msn address to someone and they didn't get to know how to send you dick picks to your telephone after hours | 10:24 |
| zutto | i dont use it, my friends dont use it, my co-workers dont use it, etc | 10:24 |
| Morpog_PC | zutto, nice for you. But in my case everyone uses it. | 10:24 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: do you think i need to add conversations import from this new whatsup and old mitakuuluu? | 10:24 |
| Morpog_PC | And I guess here in germany that is true for almost everyone in the age between 10 and 40 | 10:24 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, I don't think it's worth the effort. It will please a small fraction of users for sure. | 10:33 |
| zutto | :| | 10:33 |
| zutto | here people are still stuck at the free text messages and facebook chat/google hangouts mainly | 10:33 |
| Morpog_PC | I haven't got a SMS for over a year | 10:33 |
| Morpog_PC | or 2 years :D | 10:33 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: I refuse to use WA - as long as there is no encryption I trust | 10:33 |
| zutto | i get them constantly | 10:33 |
| zutto | but thats cause i get notified that way when my order is ready to be picked up from the store | 10:33 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: stop using WA and you will get sms again! | 10:33 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, well, thats your right. But your number is already there and your SMS also are not encrypted. | 10:33 |
| kjetilho | GSM is encrypted | 10:33 |
| Morpog_PC | and hacked | 10:33 |
| pp | for some definition of encrypted | 10:33 |
| zutto | better than nothing (TM) | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | rainboy encrypted? ;) | 10:33 |
| kjetilho | well, GSM handsets are usually vulnerable to MITM | 10:33 |
| Yaniel | considering people have hacked and tapped GSM with a drone flying by... | 10:33 |
| kjetilho | to break the crypto itself with a passive attack is hard, I think? | 10:33 |
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| Morpog_PC | whatsapp is also encyrpted lately, not that it's trustworthy, but also better than nothing (TM) | 10:33 |
| SQUelcher | I'm still texting a lot :> | 10:33 |
| kjetilho | Yaniel: is that providers still using A5? | 10:33 |
| Yaniel | dunno | 10:33 |
| Yaniel | I don't remember the details, but I read an article about that some years ago | 10:33 |
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| pp | traditional 2G crypto is not that hard AFAIK, open source tools for it exist etc. | 10:33 |
| kjetilho | yeah, but you need MITM to force handsets to downgrade | 10:33 |
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| Yaniel | speaking of MITM, does anyone know how I could MITM the HTTPS traffic of my desktop? | 10:35 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Yaniel: easy | 10:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | burp proxy | 10:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or charles | 10:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and you set your proxy in firefox or chrome | 10:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and done :) | 10:37 |
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| Yaniel | hmm I wonder if chromium would honour the proxy for that particular connection... | 10:38 |
| temmi_foo | captive gateways do it better | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | the thing is, chromium makes a HTTPS connection to google despite me having disabled everything I could find that could be related to such | 10:38 |
| temmi_foo | if you can configure your router you can do anything | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | I can do that | 10:39 |
| Tegu | fork chromium and patch that :D | 10:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Yaniel: it should | 10:40 |
| temmi_foo | Yaniel: okay then you can forcefully put the https traffic through the mitm of your choice and see what goes | 10:40 |
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| coderus | chem|st: you not trust textsecure encryption? | 10:47 |
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| pp | pip install mitmproxy is nice (+ add your own certificate) | 10:50 |
| pp | google stuff pins their certificates pretty well tho | 10:50 |
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| pp | (which is good, catches bad governments and CA's :-) ) | 10:50 |
| Tegu | and superfish? | 10:50 |
| scottc | heh | 10:56 |
| chem|st | coderus: do we have a telepathy plugin for that? and WA isn't textsecure is it? | 10:59 |
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| coderus | chem|st: wa using textsecure encryption for private messages, but currently only android is enabled it foe everyone | 11:03 |
| coderus | chem|st: don't know about telepathy pure plugins, but there is some for purple | 11:04 |
| chem|st | coderus: with WA there is still the burden of uploading addressbooks and accounts being phone numbers | 11:05 |
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| coderus | chem|st: sure, but at least with sailfish clients you can choose contacts you want to share and even remove them from servers after using whatsapp :) | 11:20 |
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| Mikaela | now communi-sailfish also removed all networks that I htink has something to do with this | 11:26 |
| Mikaela | critical issue with store application registry | 11:27 |
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| chem|st | coderus: I doubt you ever remove anything from FB servers ever | 11:29 |
| chem|st | coderus: WA is and will be WA, no matter what they change - having encryption for one platform means having no reliable encryption, I don't want to give FB more than needed in regards of valid data, so they have a working emailaddress and my friendslist, that should about be enough | 11:33 |
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| SQUelcher | I tell everyone they can contact me by irc, xmpp, text message or just call.. that is more than enough. | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | coderus: when you say "sailfish wa clients" you mean the one you made? :) | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | SQUelcher: so no letters?! :) | 11:36 |
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| temmi_foo | i know people who have ceased to communicate with me since i'm not reading their fb status updates and i'm not responsing to them in fb | 11:38 |
| SQUelcher | ggabriel: Letters are usually bills, so no. Parcels are okay, though :P | 11:38 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: $people I can live without! | 11:38 |
| jaacoppi | temmi_foo: do you mean they try to communicate with you but lose interest since you don't reply? How strange | 11:38 |
| SQUelcher | I've never joined fb either | 11:39 |
| SQUelcher | I've had a orkut account years ago :P | 11:39 |
| temmi_foo | jaacoppi: :D indeed "i've published the news ALREADY ONCE DAMNIT now just respond to me everyone" | 11:41 |
| coderus | ggabriel: :D | 11:45 |
| japa-fi | temmi_foo, https://www.patanen.com/background.png | 11:45 |
| japa-fi | :) | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | coderus: I assume yes, and thank you, I was always meant to ask that question and instead thought I'd test it, but it's hard to test with a full address book | 11:46 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: people wondering why I do not know that they get married, have a child, new car as they obviously posted it to FB... | 11:51 |
| Joonaa | wtf | 11:52 |
| Joonaa | all my apps just crashed | 11:52 |
| chem|st | even if I'd read the page everytime I login, I use FB for networking and maemo share an occasional picture of my hobby and chat with my sister (share links while being actually talking on the phone), so I have that many contacts that my newsfeed just runs through | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Joonaa: oomkiller?! | 11:55 |
| Joonaa | oh, thats plausible.. | 11:55 |
| Joonaa | oh, it appears that whatsapp has crashed... again | 11:56 |
| Joonaa | what happened to my battery?! | 11:56 |
| Joonaa | i was at 50% just now | 11:56 |
| Joonaa | and after a reboot its back at 50% | 11:58 |
| Joonaa | thats interesting | 11:58 |
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| scottc | Joonaa: that has been happening to me too... pain in the ass | 12:05 |
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| mornfall | Joonaa: that's ... "normal" | 12:06 |
| Joonaa | so any time my battery goes down to 4%, if i reboot, it goes up to 50%? | 12:07 |
| Joonaa | free power! | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | it isn't public, but one of the jolla's features is that it doesn't obey the laws of thermodynamics | 12:09 |
| SfietKonstantinW | fall to 4% battery bug ? | 12:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I hope this is fixed with the migration to statefs etc | 12:14 |
| Mikaela | it looks like reboot fixed the issue | 12:14 |
| Mikaela | but my Communi config is still lost and weather config also disappeared for some reason, no idea about others. Is there some intelligent feature to randomly remove files on low disk space like OS X does? | 12:15 |
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| ggabriel | "intelligent feature" and "randomly remove files | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | don't go very well together | 12:18 |
| temmi_foo | i guess it's just the wonderful and rock solid GNU/somename filesystem | 12:18 |
| temmi_foo | you know, the GNU/ part being the important bit and actual program name absolutely nonessential | 12:19 |
| scottc | ganoooooooooooooo | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | btrfs is not a GNU project | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | I think | 12:19 |
| temmi_foo | is it using gpl? | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | yes | 12:19 |
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| temmi_foo | => it should be GNU/btrfs if you ask rms | 12:20 |
| scottc | that's not true | 12:20 |
| scottc | if you think that's why he advocates for "GNU/Linux" then you're missing the point | 12:20 |
| temmi_foo | i completely disagree with him on so many fronts you would not believe it | 12:21 |
| scottc | sure | 12:21 |
| scottc | i'd probably believe it | 12:21 |
| temmi_foo | starting from how free is more free with restrictions | 12:22 |
| temmi_foo | now, my current heartchild project happens to release everything in gpl but i'd rather have anybody else than rms evangelising gpl around the world | 12:23 |
| scottc | cool | 12:23 |
| scottc | funny thing about RMS: everyone calls him a raving lunatic, and then often it transpires that his paranoid ramblings are totally on point | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but is that the best way of getting your message out | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| scottc | I won't deny that he's a raving lunatic | 12:25 |
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| deztructor | SfietKonstantinW: the 4% glitch is not related to middleware, so can't be fixed by changing on this level. imo, this is coming from battery circuit impedance issues when it raises and get back, as also maybe kernel driver calculations | 12:27 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | deztructor: really ? :( | 12:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | because the N9 did had the same issue | 12:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | so I thought it could be SW | 12:55 |
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| deztructor | SfietKonstantinW: n9 has a bit different story: battery current capacity can drop if e.g. temperature is dropped or voltage is dropped due to high power consumption | 13:01 |
| deztructor | the same can happen with jolla or any other device | 13:02 |
| deztructor | even if this device does not tell user... | 13:02 |
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| deztructor | SfietKonstantinW: so, this is not a signle issue but a combination of different objective conditions and real issues | 13:03 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | :( | 13:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | sounds bad | 13:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | does this means that other constructors might have the same kind of bug ? | 13:03 |
| SfietKonstantinW | since it seems to be more (almost only) HW ? | 13:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | maybe they have SW workaround or maybe better HW ? | 13:04 |
| merlin1991 | The battery low warning i got today was funny, it managed to give me about 5seconds before powering down | 13:04 |
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| merlin1991 | But from the wording of the message i expected more time | 13:06 |
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| deztructor | SfietKonstantinW: battery capacity tracking is the tricky business, it depends on hw support (fuel gauge) and circuit as also ability to get e.g. interrupts triggered on some conditions causing voltage drop, as also on logic of monitoring (and, again, presence of the needed information) | 13:08 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I see | 13:09 |
| deztructor | and sw should try to balance between user convenience and danger of sudden device shutdown due to further higher voltage drop | 13:09 |
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| deztructor | so, if we cheat user being optimistic it could end in lost data because of sudden shutdown... but sw and hw has bugs too, of course | 13:10 |
| deztructor | we are trying to use some workarounds | 13:11 |
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| deztructor | and maybe introduce more to overcome possible issues but this is always an double-edged sword | 13:12 |
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| deztructor | because filesystem damage has more consequences for user that annoyance from sudden battery percentage drop and preventive shutdown (with fs sync) | 13:13 |
| deztructor | we can't add this workarounds blindly | 13:14 |
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| merlin1991 | So have a real problem: i had to nuke my twitter aacount because it didn't work anymore, now the new one works but when i scroll down the last 10 msgs from the old account are still there (after 14 days) | 13:18 |
| temmi_foo | deztructor: classic sync;sync;halt familiar from olden days of nonautomated ups related shutdowns | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | sounds like an edge case, report it in tjc? | 13:18 |
| temmi_foo | anyways the battery capacity is by no means easy to estimate even if you had energy metering in and out | 13:19 |
| temmi_foo | normally you have voltage metering and current estimates and you're just ballparking | 13:19 |
| deztructor | temmi_foo: any classic shutdown needs some time to finish ;) | 13:20 |
| temmi_foo | yes indeed | 13:20 |
| temmi_foo | so when the office lights went down the bofhs ran to man the consoles frantically trying to at least sync once before ups capacity was ended | 13:21 |
| flux | reminds me of a previous company I worked for | 13:22 |
| flux | lights go out, UPS starts to beep | 13:22 |
| flux | sysadm goes to the closet and turns on the CRT | 13:22 |
| flux | beeeep aaand UPS is finished :) | 13:23 |
| temmi_foo | :D | 13:23 |
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| ggabriel | lame, intelligent ups's should have a modern rs-232 interface to cause a sync automatically | 13:23 |
| flux | I don't think they need be that intelligent either, isn't that like the basic functionality | 13:23 |
| deztructor | temmi_foo: you lost one difference between ups and mobile device: ups is always connected to the source of electricity while phone battery is the source ;) as also phone battery working in different temperature range etc. they are different | 13:23 |
| flux | ..assuming the software is installed properly :) | 13:23 |
| temmi_foo | ggabriel: or even an open collector output to indicate the devices that now would be a really good time | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | flux: well, it works for novell netware 3.12, i downloaded to the Docuemnts folder, I'm sure that's ok | 13:24 |
| temmi_foo | deztructor: i was on about two separate things; that the procedure of preventive shutdown reminds me of ups shutdown, and then that the battery capacity estimating is really just shooting blindly in the dark | 13:25 |
| flux | now that's a name of a system you don't hear every day. | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | flux: somebody built a wall around it, cannot be upgraded i'm afraid | 13:25 |
| temmi_foo | also, these things became automated for smallish office upses in early 80s | 13:25 |
| deztructor | as also one additionall small-small difference... power consumption of the phone jumps in a big range (comparing to the phone battery capacity) | 13:25 |
| deztructor | and voltage drop is actual problem when capacity is below some value | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | to add to the battery conversation, indeed it behaves quite funny sometimes, especially at low temperatures, but sailfish tells you "low temperature dude, i'm going down" | 13:26 |
| temmi_foo | phone power consumption is another thing that is not measured, it's at most estimated and very likely not even that | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | but i never experienced a sudden drop as yet | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | (without proper justification, that is) | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | (or android being on, which does funny things) | 13:27 |
| deztructor | ggabriel: this drops can happen if there is increased resistance in the circuit (e.g. removable battery contacts touches connector weaker) | 13:28 |
| deztructor | so, it'd happen on some devices but not on other | 13:29 |
| temmi_foo | it also dips if a software is started as it requires suddenly more power to the cpu | 13:29 |
| temmi_foo | normally it doesn't dip much but when battery is near empty or too cold or too hot it will dip badly | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | deztructor: fair, i do have a second battery and have swapped them a few times | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | so i guess it isn't that easy to wear the connectors off | 13:29 |
| deztructor | it'd be good to have TOH with ability to insert chemistry simiar to hand warmer... for low temperature conditions :) | 13:30 |
| temmi_foo | undervoltage on a li* battery cell can cause it to become permanently unstable ie. dangerous | 13:30 |
| merlin1991 | ggabriel: most likely an edge case, initial issue was that all config files suddenly had size 0 ! | 13:30 |
| merlin1991 | All account info files that is | 13:30 |
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| toerb | lol: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1468768&postcount=1142 | 15:50 |
| mornfall | you just pasted that from #jollatohkbd :P | 15:51 |
| toerb | mornfall: ehrm no, just looked the thread up in the forum | 15:52 |
| toerb | mornfall: i am not in jollatohkbd but good idea to join there :D | 15:52 |
| mornfall | :P | 15:52 |
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| Nightmare__ | new update, first action: pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial :) | 17:36 |
| coderus | why? i'm checking tutorial after each update, waiting for something new in it :) | 17:38 |
| Nightmare__ | everyone has different hobbies :D | 17:39 |
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| coderus | anybody who currently using whatsup and want to switch to mitakuuluu3 when it released? | 17:46 |
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| coderus | okay then :D | 17:53 |
| TemeV | if it is "stable", then yes :) | 17:53 |
| TemeV | oh, whatsup | 17:53 |
| TemeV | I haven't tried that yet | 17:53 |
| coderus | i just need your contacts database to make import function for chats. i have no extra number to test it myself :( | 17:57 |
| teaburn | do you think the accounts will be banned by using mitakuuluu like the last time? | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | thats up to whatsapp really | 17:57 |
| coderus | teaburn: i don't think so, i'm doing hard work here :) | 17:58 |
| teaburn | i dont know the api and how easy they can see this is not a "original" user | 17:58 |
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| coderus | i'm doing mitakuuluu3 do exactly same as android whatsapp does on jolla (except sending all your phonebook in background, you can choose contaccts for synchronization) | 18:00 |
| teaburn | i loved mitakuuluu, till i had to stopped using it for a loooong time | 18:00 |
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| Ezko | coderus: memememe | 18:28 |
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| krnlyng | coderus: mitakuuluu3? nice! keep it comming :) | 18:49 |
| krnlyng | coderus: i would consider switching to mitakuuluu3 | 18:49 |
| coderus | krnlyng: you using whatsup? | 18:50 |
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| krnlyng | coderus: you mean WhatsApp? then yes | 18:51 |
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| coderus | no, i mean sailfish whatsup by cepiperez | 18:53 |
| krnlyng | coderus: i would be happy to contribute to testing/development if needed (mostly testing because i'm busy at uni) | 18:54 |
| krnlyng | coderus: no i'm using the official client | 18:54 |
| coderus | krnlyng: okay then | 18:54 |
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| raa700_ | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fonkraft-modular-smartphone | 19:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | yaay multiple incompatible modular smarphones! | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | now you can vendor lockin your phone modules AND your apps | 19:22 |
| coderus | i'm very skeptical with these modular cpu, gpu, ram modules | 19:22 |
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| Yaniel | "PCs have had these for ages, what's the problem" | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK_ | PCs are also dead | 19:24 |
| coderus | how much pins have cpu, gpu, ram modules you think and what the maximum lenngth of wires between chip and board? | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | cpg-gpu could be usb3 or pcie, so 2-4 | 19:25 |
| kimmoli | fast ram would be trickier | 19:26 |
| coderus | and it should have a lot of exrta space for logics | 19:26 |
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| coderus | thats why i'm skeptical until i see real device benchmarks | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | obviously an integrated board is going to be able to pack more in | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | but if its modular then you can have what you like and not rely on a manufacturer making an integrated device just for you | 19:27 |
| Tegu | do they even have a keyboard module? | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | :) | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | also PCs arent dead | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | if you drop that, it will be like my old moped - collect parts around after failling before continuiung | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | and just tried to change my PC10600 dimms from 3x2GB to 4x4GB. not worky, pc is in power-cycle-loop, 10 sec on, 5 sec off.. | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah annoying how some motherboards dont like it if you fill the ram slots | 19:30 |
| peppelakappa | what chipset? | 19:30 |
| temmi_foo | r0kk3rz: as an idea the modularity kinda works if they convince 3rd party companies to start making modules and parts | 19:30 |
| raa700_ | faulty dimm, test two at a time | 19:30 |
| temmi_foo | unless, you're dealing with a single manufacturer modular product where there's exactly one possible module for all module places | 19:31 |
| kimmoli | raa700_: brand new, tested with different combos, tested with different mfg dimms too | 19:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | temmi_foo: 3rd party companies are going to love the idea | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | because it will mean bigger margins for them | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than having apple/samsung/whoever strong arm them on prices because they want all the profit for themselves | 19:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | well, unless vendor lockin of modules of course, then its likely to be a dead fish | 19:38 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi peppelakappa | 19:41 |
| peppelakappa | hi dr_gogeta86 :) | 19:41 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | how here ? | 19:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | peppelakappa, try to reball it in a bga service center | 19:42 |
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| eye_a | jolla )0!1@ joh | 19:43 |
| peppelakappa | dr_gogeta86, haha you're talking about my last tweet? | 19:43 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | yep | 19:43 |
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| temmi_foo | huh? bga? lemmesee | 19:44 |
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| peppelakappa | heh, 1530€ for a machine that risks bga damage... i cannot think | 19:45 |
| peppelakappa | *i still cannot realize *how* they deal with out-of-warranty users even if the damage is their fault | 19:46 |
| peppelakappa | it was a friend's retina btw | 19:47 |
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| juhaj | Does jolla do syncml "natively" or do I need to install some stuff on it first, like syncevolution? | 20:47 |
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| HtheB | anyone know if Jolla GPS sux or it's my own phone? :p | 22:14 |
| HtheB | the GPS on my N950 is the best one that I had... I turn on Navigation, boom! it's working.. no waiting at all | 22:14 |
| HtheB | sometimes, I (litterly) wait like 20 minutes untill it finds my location on Jolla :/ | 22:15 |
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| mornfall | 20 minutes is a lot (but I guess could happen in a city or a forest with no assist) | 22:17 |
| HtheB | lol, i dont live in a forest XD | 22:17 |
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| mornfall | your loss :P | 22:17 |
| HtheB | it works always perfectly on my n950 | 22:18 |
| mornfall | coincidence (or you have AGPS enabled on n950 and disabled on jolla) | 22:18 |
| mornfall | all phone gps receivers are crappy | 22:18 |
| HtheB | mornfall: both are on | 22:19 |
| HtheB | and no, the N950 has seriously the best gps I've seen on anything | 22:19 |
| mornfall | then it's broken on your jolla I guess | 22:19 |
| HtheB | even better then a true navigation device | 22:19 |
| mornfall | most 'true navigation device's do not have assist | 22:19 |
| mornfall | unassisted GPS to come even close to AGPS it must be an order of magnitude better receiver (at least) | 22:20 |
| HtheB | anyway, are there any particular stuff that I can try to see what is wrong? :( | 22:20 |
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| mornfall | did you try turning it off and on again? :P (the AGPS toggle) | 22:21 |
| HtheB | yup | 22:21 |
| mornfall | you could try dig into settings | 22:21 |
| mornfall | look at logs | 22:21 |
| mornfall | dunno | 22:21 |
| HtheB | I even changed to supl.google.com | 22:21 |
| HtheB | even changed the NTP server | 22:21 |
| HtheB | it works the first 2 seconds | 22:21 |
| HtheB | then loses signal :( | 22:21 |
| mornfall | odd | 22:21 |
| mornfall | a bug report might be in order | 22:22 |
| HtheB | I hope tigeli can help me again (I found a bug for Wifi before..) | 22:22 |
| mornfall | hm, as far as wifi goes, I'd like to find something that works, for once | 22:23 |
| mornfall | well, connectivity in general | 22:23 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:23 |
| HtheB | mine works ok, but it didn't with android apps | 22:23 |
| HtheB | seems like something was not right with SQL | 22:23 |
| mornfall | mine works ok, unless it doesn't | 22:24 |
| HtheB | when it should be on, it was not changing the value | 22:24 |
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