| HtheB_ | I was looking for some left over sygic files (from the previous version that I had), and I've found out there there was a file 'com.sygic.aura-1.odex' file at '/data/app'. After deleting that file, I could suddenly install the app! so it was some sort of write permission that caused the error of 'not enough space' | 00:03 |
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| Yaniel | hmm | 05:41 |
| Yaniel | just had to reboot because I was stuck on the lockscreen | 05:41 |
| Yaniel | swipe from top to lock screen worked, swipe from bottom brought up events view | 05:42 |
| Yaniel | but normal swipes didn't work | 05:42 |
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| Yaniel | and doubletapping the power button only toggled the screen on/off | 05:42 |
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| MoritzJT | Has anyone found a way to remove stuck and obsolete recurring android notifications? I've got one persistent even through the uninstallation of the source app. | 06:29 |
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| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/643/feature-request-rss-in-events-feeds/ bump because I'm really missing this | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | I'd rather have a documented API for pushing into events feed, then have a 3rd party app use that (dunno if there already is such an API and if it's allowed in harbour) | 06:54 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: dbus notifications, there is a nemo library or such | 06:55 |
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| Nicd- | is there a way to push many of them to the events view from the same app? and so that they don't necessarily show a pop up? | 06:56 |
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| tbr | no idea, check api | 06:57 |
| Yaniel | that 3rd party app should have daemon running to update the feed even when the app is closed | 06:58 |
| Yaniel | a systemd user service triggered by a systemd timer would work as well | 07:00 |
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| Yaniel | anyway automatically updating (without open app) RSS that shows unread stuff in notifications | 07:00 |
| tbr | services are probably still no-no, but I think you can hide apps | 07:01 |
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| * Yaniel crosses fingers for 2.0 | 07:09 | |
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| Yaniel | I also like the idea of color management on the tablet | 07:09 |
| Yaniel | that would likely make it a good candidate for many graphics/design professionals | 07:10 |
| Yaniel | and should not be much more than wiring up colord | 07:10 |
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| kimmoli | hmm. waiting for this as app, http://blog.ebv.com/no-ios-zone-hack-makes-ios-devices-useless/ | 08:20 |
| temmi_foo | i like the workaround for it | 08:20 |
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| jaacoppi_ | http://i57.tinypic.com/335cqs5.jpg just spotted a jolla sticker in the wild | 08:49 |
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| Teme | i've spotted many jolla users in the wild | 08:49 |
| Teme | actually all on the bus in Tampere between the technical university and the centre | 08:50 |
| Teme | i've said hi to everyone with the First One ToH :P | 08:50 |
| jaacoppi | not to people with other tohs? | 08:52 |
| the_mgt | i never used the first one toh, i didn't like the orange :( | 08:53 |
| temmi_foo | orange is the best colour possible <3 | 08:53 |
| temmi_foo | i love it | 08:53 |
| ln- | orange? it was mostly red. | 08:53 |
| ln- | and still is. | 08:54 |
| the_mgt | orange is mostly red and some yellow... | 08:56 |
| Yaniel | it is vermilion | 08:56 |
| Teme | jaacoppi: nope, they might be some innocent non-techies :) | 08:59 |
| Helle | Teme: My uni has a couple of them roaming around | 08:59 |
| Teme | which uni is that? | 08:59 |
| Helle | University of Amsterdam | 08:59 |
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| Teme | cool :) | 08:59 |
| Helle | we are very much a Linux place, so Jolla makes sense :) | 09:00 |
| Helle | But I am now at the point where I might need to buy a cheap Android phone for some apps I need that just won't work on Jolla and can't be reimplemented without a reference | 09:00 |
| Teme | did you know your nick in finnish means "heat" in finnish? :P | 09:00 |
| Helle | Teme: yes I did know that | 09:01 |
| inz | I like the fact that there is a Jolla phone with first one toh in finnish soap opera, "Salatut Elämät" | 09:01 |
| Helle | But it's a reference to Helle from Jason and the Argonauts (and hence the water Hellespont) | 09:01 |
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| temmi_foo | i'm also wearing a orange beanie | 09:01 |
| Helle | I hate having to buy a new Android device, even if it's only 60 euro :( | 09:01 |
| Teme | i am actually soon at that point since after Sailfish was upgraded to QT 5.2 it's taking up so much memory the hardware can't drive it anymore | 09:01 |
| temmi_foo | helle saa ihmiset epävireeseen | 09:01 |
| Helle | temmi_foo: I don't speak that much Finnish :P | 09:02 |
| Teme | OOM killer killing media player is just intolerable :| | 09:02 |
| Helle | temmi_foo: I was about to ask you if the Dutch was leaking | 09:02 |
| Morpog_PC | next device really needs at least 2GB ram | 09:02 |
| temmi_foo | ln-: it is most definitely a very good orange | 09:02 |
| Helle | I only get OOM killer if I really run too much or run Android apps that are badly coded | 09:02 |
| temmi_foo | calling that red is like calling bianchi bike colour blue | 09:03 |
| Helle | But I need two Android apps now that won't work on Jolla, one for my sports watch and the other for instant car rental stuff | 09:04 |
| Helle | I guess it is going to end up with me having two phones in my purse | 09:04 |
| Morpog_PC | Helle, do you have play services installed? | 09:04 |
| Morpog_PC | Because that makes like 99% of apps workable | 09:05 |
| Helle | Morpog_PC: yes, still breaks the apps | 09:05 |
| Helle | Morpog_PC: the sports watch needs Bluetooth LE access and the car rental does silly things with maps that just breaks | 09:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmmm, sounds bad | 09:06 |
| Morpog_PC | I also think about getting a cheap Android device as a daily driver | 09:06 |
| Helle | and the first I could fix, IF the whole Android stack on Jolla was open | 09:07 |
| Morpog_PC | like a Huawei Honor Holly - 99€ | 09:07 |
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| Helle | Morpog_PC: my idea is to just use one for these specific things | 09:08 |
| Helle | I prefer the Jolla UI way too much | 09:08 |
| Morpog_PC | me too | 09:08 |
| Helle | so I am getting the cheapest phone with Android 4.4 and Bluetooth LE | 09:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | but I hate not gettings messages on whatsapp and facebook messenger after a while. Every few hours I need to close that apps and open them again | 09:08 |
| Helle | oh, right, I don't use Whatsapp or Facebook | 09:09 |
| Morpog_PC | it's the small things which break the the fun | 09:10 |
| entil | not using wa or fb today is strange | 09:10 |
| entil | I'm one of those guys who don't, and now that I went back to being single I can't imagine what it'd be like to get back into the dating game without whatsapp or facebook | 09:10 |
| entil | the closest I'll probably get is redtube | 09:10 |
| kimmoli | :) | 09:11 |
| kimmoli | did we have app for it? | 09:11 |
| kimmoli | do* | 09:11 |
| entil | ! | 09:11 |
| entil | wonder if that's even doable, no idea how their videos work, but afaik all those sites use flash players at least | 09:12 |
| Morpog_PC | would be interesting to see if it gets accepted on Jolla Store :D | 09:12 |
| Sail0r | they have a xbox and ps4 app ^^ | 09:12 |
| Sail0r | for youporn at least | 09:12 |
| entil | jolla store would have to implement age checks, and eventually a new category for apps and games... | 09:13 |
| temmi_foo | entil: what's wa? fb i know but don't use | 09:13 |
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| Helle | entil: If Facebook was a fair and open company, perhaps | 09:13 |
| entil | temmi_foo: whatsapp | 09:13 |
| temmi_foo | oh | 09:13 |
| Helle | currently, noooope, as a tech company they are interesting, but I dislike their ethics | 09:13 |
| temmi_foo | isn't it a kind of irc for dummies who want to give everybody their phone number? | 09:14 |
| the_mgt | don't use facebook and whatsup either | 09:14 |
| entil | Helle: facebook uses the metadata to filter ads and recommendations and shit, probably hands it over to the nsa at the drop of a hat and most likely would encrypt the messages with their key if they didn't know the client was under constant reverse-engineering - it's abhorrent | 09:14 |
| the_mgt | wouldn't be interested in dating a user of these, too | 09:14 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 09:15 |
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| entil | I was overjoyed by finding mitakuuluu to use with the recent ex, but that's risky now with their blocking policy | 09:15 |
| Morpog_PC | like 99% of women are on facebook | 09:15 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: where is your p0rn uploaded then? | 09:15 |
| the_mgt | but wrt pornsites: i guess they aren't using flash any more, since they would lose revenue from all the ios users | 09:15 |
| Helle | and yeah, I am currently not in the dating game, university is taking up too much time for me :P | 09:15 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: it is all on irc... | 09:15 |
| Helle | I'm on Twitter, IRC and XMPP, all I need :P | 09:16 |
| entil | I never really got into twitter... had a phase when I was reading it somewhat vigorously but meh | 09:16 |
| the_mgt | also, i am in a happy relationship since a long while now | 09:16 |
| Yaniel | I'm considering using twitter as a pseudo-RSS | 09:16 |
| sjtoik | the_mgt: good qualifications. "Are you on FB?" "Yeah, all the time." "Bye." | 09:16 |
| the_mgt | sjtoik: exactly :D | 09:17 |
| entil | my quality of life went up after I left facebook but not sure how high it actually settled, there are other ways of procrastination as well | 09:17 |
| Sail0r | Yaniel: that's what I do and it's a good replacement for me ^^ | 09:17 |
| the_mgt | hell, me and my gf are still using icq. and it works. we might be the only two persons in germany still using it | 09:17 |
| jaacoppi | the_mgt: marry that girl | 09:18 |
| Sail0r | lol | 09:18 |
| entil | have an icq-themed wedding | 09:18 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: "might be" is "you are not" | 09:18 |
| entil | die lätzte benutzern or something | 09:18 |
| temmi_foo | wasn't icq the non-nerdy social chat before msn massager stole everybody? | 09:19 |
| chem|st | 'die letzten' | 09:19 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: ICQ bacame a dating platform as soon as it was bought by russians | 09:19 |
| chem|st | became | 09:19 |
| entil | chem|st: thanks :) | 09:19 |
| temmi_foo | dunno about that | 09:19 |
| temmi_foo | was referring to when icq was new | 09:20 |
| Helle | I still find it meh that Google took their messenger out of XMPP federation (and now out of XMPP entirely) | 09:20 |
| chem|st | when ICQ was new there wasn't much else for $user | 09:20 |
| Helle | now if people need to get hold of me they explicit need to make an account | 09:20 |
| chem|st | it was people who could afford an internetconnection and a computer | 09:20 |
| temmi_foo | irc was already there and free to use before net access became anything like even accessible to normal people | 09:21 |
| entil | muh jolla sometimes informs me I have missed gtalk notifications, that's annoying cuz either it doesn't sound off or I'm never around to catch them | 09:21 |
| chem|st | I actually don't care about google services, just as much I care about other commercial services of that kind | 09:21 |
| entil | and I'm always offline on gtalk, so maybe the phone's client is somehow online or visible | 09:22 |
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| Helle | I don't have a google account myself | 09:22 |
| entil | #fwp I should uninstall the google stuff anyway | 09:22 |
| entil | I'm conflicted because I actually appreciate youtube's recommendations... of course they're not _perfect_ but they work | 09:22 |
| temmi_foo | yes | 09:23 |
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| temmi_foo | in a way | 09:23 |
| chem|st | and I hate "friends" uploading their addressbooks to every app they see, I got invites to like 5 msg services, get direct emails with correct DOB and realname for my birthday (p0rn vouchers) and so on | 09:23 |
| Helle | chem|st: ugh | 09:23 |
| temmi_foo | they know what i usually watch so when searching for something with keywords, i end up having the list of results halfway filled with eevblog, off road cars and opera | 09:23 |
| entil | it's also ridiculously easy to go all aluminium foil on this, but at least youtube can't connect me to other people and all they get that was is that I like magic the gathering, scifi and geek shit like that | 09:23 |
| Helle | I wish I could ban Facebook from using any of my data without taking them to court | 09:24 |
| temmi_foo | they're using my data too | 09:24 |
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| entil | if you're not on facebook, they shouldn't get too much of it | 09:24 |
| chem|st | Helle: got an SMS from hike.in "Helle $realname, your friend $nickname wants you to join so he can chat with you" | 09:24 |
| temmi_foo | apparently it has collected enough data of me through friends and relatives to know i exist and what kind of person i am | 09:25 |
| temmi_foo | i've never been on fb | 09:25 |
| entil | some sender called flipmailer sent an invite from someone I barely know to a service I don't know what it is | 09:25 |
| Helle | chem|st: I have sent threatening letters to companies like that more then once | 09:25 |
| entil | had to actually click open a link to find that it's some kind of social sharing bullshit | 09:25 |
| Helle | and if they are in the EU they tend to comply without hassle | 09:25 |
| chem|st | temmi_foo: the could probably setup a 100% content profile once you create an account | 09:25 |
| Helle | temmi_foo: that is exactly my problem with Facebook | 09:25 |
| Helle | stupid friends posting pictures, etc | 09:26 |
| Helle | well "friends" | 09:26 |
| Helle | my actual friends know not to do that | 09:26 |
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| entil | instructions for social sharing: 1) share a link you find interesting with some commentary 2) see how people either 2a) agree with you but need to add something to discussion even if it's not worth adding or 2b) stab your opinion to death 3) slash your wrists to get away from it all | 09:26 |
| entil | need lunch now -> | 09:27 |
| the_mgt | jaacoppi: we are actually planning to get married, but we might not have an icq themed wedding. nobody would get that joke | 09:27 |
| temmi_foo | anyway enough of the olderthanfb-procrastination, off to see kid sister -> | 09:27 |
| the_mgt | my icq numer might be 16yrs old or so, pretty much one of the earliest things i got on the internet | 09:27 |
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| kjetilho | the_mgt: how many digits? | 09:28 |
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| * kjetilho remembers when "gold numbers" on ICQ were auctioned off to lots of money on eBay | 09:28 | |
| coderus | entil: well, on Jolla it's not risky | 09:29 |
| coderus | you can always install official wa and request unban | 09:29 |
| sjtoik | i wish i could remember my icq logins. | 09:29 |
| sjtoik | but i don't have the old hotmail box any more. | 09:30 |
| sjtoik | this_is_not_a_valid_email@hotmail.com or something like that | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | to the rumors we had here too: | 09:31 |
| Nicd- | http://www.cnet.com/news/nokia-denies-reports-it-plans-to-return-to-smartphones/ | 09:31 |
| the_mgt | kjetilho: 9 | 09:31 |
| chem|st | 9 | 09:31 |
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| kjetilho | hah, not an early adopter ;) me neither, but I have 8 digits :-p | 09:33 |
| sjtoik | it worked! i was able to login to icq. after all these years | 09:33 |
| the_mgt | whoa, we might be ddossing the whole network now... | 09:33 |
| IZh | I use ICQ everyday. My UIN is 8-digit since 1997 or so. ;-) | 09:34 |
| the_mgt | in icq traffic, the date or at least year of registration is transmitted | 09:35 |
| sjtoik | i have 9 digits and 1 friend, who i have no idea about | 09:35 |
| IZh | Most of my friends preffer ICQ. | 09:35 |
| coderus | 433559121 :) | 09:36 |
| TMavica | Hi | 09:36 |
| SQUelcher | mine is 3528819, but not used for years :P | 09:36 |
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| TMavica | I got a nice number of icq, i still remember it | 09:37 |
| IZh | The skype is heavy and has awkward interface and has no support for offline messages. WhatsApp can't be run on PC without phone nearby. | 09:37 |
| kimmoli | i had icq, but no idea about my number | 09:38 |
| coderus | yeah, i didn't used it for ages, but i still remember my ol password :) | 09:38 |
| TMavica | my icq number is 33737755 | 09:38 |
| coderus | IZh: use whatsapp-purple plugin fr pidgin and get one extra sim card for using on pc | 09:39 |
| TMavica | I always use icq to chase girl. It is nice | 09:39 |
| kjetilho | TMavica: now that's a number which could be sold for good money on eBay :) | 09:39 |
| IZh | 10381774 | 09:39 |
| TMavica | I wont sold. | 09:40 |
| sjtoik | why would anybody pay money for icq numbers? | 09:40 |
| TMavica | I wonder the most short number is how many digit | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | sjtoik: the world was very different back then.. :P | 09:41 |
| coderus | eh, web icq don't allow to add contacts? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | 16465977 - 8 digit | 09:41 |
| chem|st | sjtoik: back in the days it was a status object for people | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:41 |
| leinir | 14679490 | 09:41 |
| TMavica | Is there any 4 5 6 digit? | 09:41 |
| sjtoik | aparently it still is, as you are all flashing your virtual penises | 09:41 |
| IZh | coderus: but then I would need to make a call every several months so that SIM wouldn't be blocked as inactive. | 09:41 |
| chem|st | TMavica: 5 I don't know but there is 6 | 09:42 |
| coderus | IZh: call yourself from first sim :D | 09:42 |
| coderus | ot send sms | 09:42 |
| coderus | or* | 09:42 |
| coderus | IZh: and it doesn't matter while you keeping your whatsapp password, it doesn't require your sim to be active, only for registration | 09:43 |
| TMavica | chem|st: never saw 5 digits 😃 | 09:43 |
| leinir | someone i went to school with had a 6... but yeah, never seen a 5 in the wild | 09:44 |
| kjetilho | btw, I registered on Whatsapp without a SIM in the phone doing the registering | 09:44 |
| IZh | coderus: The cellular operator could block the SIM and sell the number to another person | 09:44 |
| kjetilho | after waiting 5 minutes for an SMS which would never arrive on that phone, I was allowed to register by typing the code in manually | 09:44 |
| IZh | coderus: And I will get his/her contacts :-) | 09:44 |
| coderus | IZh: no you won't | 09:45 |
| coderus | contacts are sent from phone, not from sim | 09:45 |
| IZh | Anyway, I have only 1 person actively using WhatsApp. And about 40 on ICQ. ;-) | 09:45 |
| coderus | thats cool oldschool crowd :) | 09:45 |
| IZh | coderus: Yeah :-) | 09:46 |
| IZh | It's my primary messenger. :-) | 09:48 |
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| IZh | Stskeeps: Added you. :-) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | IZh: ah.. i don't even use icq anymore | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | scary, i still recall my password | 09:57 |
| IZh | Stskeeps: That's a pity. Deleted you. :-P | 09:57 |
| IZh | I remember all my passwords because I always turn off passwords remembering in apps and web-sites. | 09:58 |
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| Yaniel | should the bluetooth indicator show up in 1.1.4? | 10:10 |
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| Yaniel | or is this another side effect of my update gone wrong | 10:20 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: sure, works here | 10:23 |
| coderus | do you have any indicators working on llockscreen? | 10:24 |
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| Yaniel | cell and wlan | 10:25 |
| Yaniel | and silent | 10:25 |
| coderus | check with mcetool and csd is your bluetooth working | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | I guess there was more than just the statefs packages I reinstalled that didn't get installed due to btrfs exploding once again during the update | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | it is working | 10:26 |
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| Yaniel | settings shows it as enabled and my wireless headphone receiver works | 10:26 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: try reinstalling qt5-qtconnectivity-qtbluetooth and sailfish-components-bluetooth-qt5 | 10:42 |
| Yaniel | I'm tempted to just factory reset and update from scratch | 10:48 |
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| chem|st | coderus: would you mind if I set you up as spam-moderator on tmo? | 12:04 |
| narchie | so when is the next patch available | 12:09 |
| narchie | the latest patch broke everytingh | 12:09 |
| narchie | now I have % percent of battery left | 12:09 |
| narchie | and no network | 12:09 |
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| narchie | i give it: 5/5 rating | 12:11 |
| Aciid | I have been summoned | 12:11 |
| Aciid | narchie: have you tried making a together ticket? | 12:11 |
| narchie | yes I was downvoted | 12:12 |
| narchie | apparently works on my machine :^) | 12:12 |
| Aciid | ah so can't reproduce | 12:12 |
| Aciid | I'd say carry on then, your a singe case | 12:12 |
| Yaniel | narchie: no space left on device because btrfs? | 12:13 |
| narchie | no works on my machine means -> buy a new phone | 12:13 |
| Aciid | narchie: I have a iphone 4s you can have it | 12:13 |
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| narchie | 4gb free space, how much is required | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | those 4GB are a lie | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | try this in terminal | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | btrfs fi show / | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | err, without the / actually | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | and with devel-su | 12:14 |
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| narchie | Btrfs v3.16 | 12:15 |
| narchie | so 3.16gb? | 12:15 |
| TemeV | narchie: devel-su first | 12:16 |
| narchie | I am | 12:16 |
| kjetilho | 3.16 is the version number :) | 12:16 |
| narchie | oh | 12:16 |
| TemeV | it prints version number when not root | 12:17 |
| the_mgt | why is btrfs telling something different from df -h? | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | because df only sees files | 12:18 |
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| Aciid | there was supposed to be a function to check diskspace requirements | 12:18 |
| Aciid | whatever happened to it? | 12:18 |
| Yaniel | that btrfs version spams tons of metadata to the disk, which is not in files | 12:19 |
| Aciid | I think we'd need reiserfs on jolla so we could make our spouses disappear | 12:20 |
| the_mgt | the diskspace check kicks in too late, as stated in the release note | 12:21 |
| narchie | well I like having only % percent battery left | 12:22 |
| narchie | exciting, unpredictable | 12:22 |
| narchie | just like the crashes on launch | 12:22 |
| narchie | :) | 12:22 |
| narchie | and waiting for optima to add duct tape | 12:23 |
| kjetilho | narchie: so your btrfs actually has lots of "hidden" usage? | 12:23 |
| Aciid | narchie: have you tried adding lithium-powder between the battery and the case? | 12:24 |
| Aciid | In somecases it has helped with battery-usage | 12:24 |
| narchie | not sure what to dictate from 13.75GiB used 13.75GiB when I can add arbitrarily sized files at will | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | on the same fs? | 12:25 |
| TemeV | narchie: it means you have to run btrfs balance start / (or something like that) before updating | 12:25 |
| TemeV | and maybe remove some files | 12:25 |
| kjetilho | narchie: that means btrfs has "claimed" all available space, which can cause problems if it needs to claim more space for meta-data | 12:25 |
| kjetilho | TemeV: you mean btrfs defrag, I think? | 12:26 |
| TemeV | nope, balance | 12:26 |
| Aciid | is it balance like on a skateboard? | 12:26 |
| kjetilho | right you are, my bad | 12:27 |
| narchie | so what next | 12:27 |
| narchie | can't find the update | 12:27 |
| narchie | anynmore | 12:27 |
| narchie | thanks anyways maybe this was the beta release | 12:28 |
| kjetilho | narchie: btrfs file balance start -dusage=0 | 12:28 |
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| kjetilho | this will free empty data blocks and make them available for reclaim | 12:28 |
| the_mgt | like balancing a btree | 12:29 |
| the_mgt | ? | 12:29 |
| kjetilho | narchie: and after that, you probably want to do "btrfs file balance start -dusage=X" where X is a little lower than your actual disk usage. so if it is 50% full, use -dusage=40. | 12:30 |
| kjetilho | this takes time and IO, so probably best to do it while plugged in a charger | 12:30 |
| narchie | sure. thanks kjetilho TemeV Yaniel | 12:31 |
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| kjetilho | narchie: what it actually does, is to take chunks where less than X% is actually used, and try to move the data from them into other chunks so that the chunk can be freed. | 12:35 |
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| coderus | chem|st: just to delete spam threads? why not :D | 12:45 |
| coderus | chem|st: you mean it's only me reporting threads? :D | 12:45 |
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| chem|st | coderus: no it is not only you but as you are active you might as well get a button to spam-mod instead of reporting it | 13:20 |
| chem|st | coderus: you will get a further context item when clicking on names "one-stop-ban-&-clean" | 13:21 |
| chem|st | coderus: one-touch..., tell me if you don't know how to get there | 13:23 |
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| coderus | chem|st: i still see reporting button/link | 13:54 |
| chem|st | coderus: that won't be gone, if you click a username you should have one more item now in the bottom row | 13:56 |
| chem|st | not in the user profile but in a post/thread | 13:57 |
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| chem|st | coderus: http://imgur.com/bVwHqQl | 14:02 |
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| coderus | chem|st: aha works, thanks :) | 14:10 |
| chem|st | ;) | 14:18 |
| chem|st | coderus: if you find a spammer and the function denies you'd still need to use the report this link as an admin needs to look after that | 14:19 |
| chem|st | it is our first line of defence though | 14:19 |
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| narchie | perfect | 15:44 |
| narchie | so btrfs just bricked my phone | 15:44 |
| narchie | i love it | 15:44 |
| narchie | oh now it's on | 15:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, maybe you can comment there on the discussion? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1468571#post1468571 | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's not hwcomposer on n5 | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | d | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention i bet interactive governor isn't properly in use | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | he is talking about cpu cores not used properly in jolla phone and n5 | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, it depends on perspective. | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not sure i'm going to enjoy getting into an argument with bluefoot :) | 16:42 |
| Morpog_PC | thats probably true | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | in practice we try to use the cpu when we need to. interactive spikes the cpu when needed. on n5 we haven't done a lot of tuning we did on jolla1, or the 4.1.2 nature of the hw adaptation made it problematic. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | interactive == spike cpu when touching screen | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | for tablet we're doing a lot of this kind of work, but it hasn't made it's way out until porter HADKs yet | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds promising for the future | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | so changing cpu governor should help alot already | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, cpu governor isn't only thing, it's using it intelligently | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't make sense to spike based on load, because it's not going to react quick enough | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | but if you do it in touch, it comes right in time and is sustained as long as interaction lasts | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | same as project butter on android then | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | my plan for the evening is reading a good book and having a martini | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds fine | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | also, we are doing general optimization work for 2.0 too; tablet is a 2K display, Jolla1 was a qHD, you really need to care when you're up in those display sizes :) | 16:54 |
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| Yaniel | indeed | 17:17 |
| * Yaniel looks at the deferred renderer plans in the trash bin | 17:18 | |
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| phlixi_ | interesting to read about spikes and touch and stuff, but probably most interesting is the fact how naturally "jolla1" had been mentioned during the conversation :-) | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's more fun than saying JP-1301 | 18:40 |
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| * phlixi_ hides after placing the rumor | 18:41 | |
| phlixi_ | :-) | 18:41 |
| phlixi_ | in fact i doubt i would have instantly understand what "the jp-1301" means.... | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | depending on my audience, i call it the jolla (which i find silly), jolla1, sbj, etc | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | phlixi_: jolla phone, 2013, first product | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | sure, makes sense, but if you call it jolla1, i instantly know you mean the phone | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | ...and leaves room for speculations ;-) | 18:42 |
| temmi_foo | jp-1301 sounds enterprisey | 18:42 |
| phlixi_ | i probably would have expected "jolla phone" in the sentence instead of "the jolla1" | 18:43 |
| temmi_foo | indeen | 18:45 |
| temmi_foo | asdlfkjö | 18:45 |
| temmi_foo | d | 18:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, novathor jolla is still updated internally ? | 18:46 |
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| attah | isn't novathor dead as a dodo and then some? | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | no, i usually bring them up when bonfire season comes around and we want to put them on fire | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | the symbian was strong in those things | 18:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, why did say this | 18:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i think that phone ( despite all things ) | 18:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is a milestone ... | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't mean we have to like it :) | 18:49 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | among touchpad n9 n900 st based jolla and qcom ? | 18:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | whos the worst ? | 18:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *based | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | st based jolla ? | 18:51 |
| * Stskeeps should go read that book he was thinking about | 18:51 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | good night so | 18:52 |
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| phlixi_ | well, i have the same problem as in https://together.jolla.com/question/25965/android-apps-dont-trigger-any-notification-sounds/ | 19:30 |
| phlixi_ | no way to tell whether there is a new message or not, until i open the threema app | 19:31 |
| phlixi_ | (while it is in background) | 19:31 |
| coderus | phlixi_: https://github.com/CODeRUS/android-notifications | 19:31 |
| coderus | :) | 19:31 |
| phlixi_ | i was looking for a zedge apk download, and frankly i wanted to avoid that... | 19:32 |
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| phlixi_ | ...if you have somthing like this on github, i will first checker whether i can downoad that with warehouse :D | 19:32 |
| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/android-notifications | 19:33 |
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| phlixi_ | already got it, thanks coderus :-) | 19:34 |
| coderus | :) | 19:34 |
| coderus | hacky hacky, but works | 19:34 |
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| phlixi_ | coderus: 1.) where do i have to put an mp3 (or maybe better better wav/flac?) file in order to be able to select it from the "Select from music fiels"? | 19:45 |
| phlixi_ | and 2.) what is an appropriate donation for the android ringtones app? | 19:45 |
| phlixi_ | notifications* :-) | 19:46 |
| coderus | phlixi_: it uses same system ringtones selection dialog, so you should put it to Music and probably wait until it cached and showed in Media app | 19:47 |
| phlixi_ | ok | 19:47 |
| coderus | for donation you of course sending as much as you can, i very appreciate it :) | 19:47 |
| phlixi_ | yeah, but "as much as i can" is not appropriate... :-) | 19:48 |
| coderus | :) | 19:50 |
| coderus | also if you can, i'd prefer direct paypal donation, as igg is holding funds until campaign ends :D | 19:51 |
| phlixi_ | well, to late | 19:51 |
| phlixi_ | thanks anyway :-)) | 19:52 |
| coderus | :D | 19:54 |
| juhaj | So, what's the carddav support status? Does it work otherwise but not with owncloud? (just reading https://together.jolla.com/question/60493/new-carddavcaldav-support-got-to-it-working-with-owncloud/ and the last comment from Chris seems to imply it does not with OC) | 19:54 |
| phlixi_ | i didnt try, but what i remember was, just format your urls correctly (puting account into it or the like) and it "just works" but i might mix up something there (carddav vs caldav for example...) | 19:56 |
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| phlixi_ | but i am not in the "using self signed certificates business" involved (while i still commit, that this whole certificate business is a scam) | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | I use my self-signed CA ^^ | 20:03 |
| phlixi_ | :-) | 20:04 |
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| juhaj | phlixi_: I am afraid you probably mix up cal and card there: it seems the cal ones need the account name and all that but for card it is a confusing web out there | 20:09 |
| juhaj | Any other ways to back up the contacts from a jolla? Or just about everything for that matter? | 20:09 |
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| phlixi_ | sorry then ( i remembered the problems only occur with self signed certificates) | 20:09 |
| phlixi_ | google jolla export vcf | 20:11 |
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| juhaj | No, there are at least two different problems: one with certificates signed by an unknown CA (not necessarily self) and one where carddav sync just does not find the carddav data, ssl or no | 20:11 |
| phlixi_ | there is a tool that exports all contacts to vcf. you should be able to import vcfs on your "other system" | 20:11 |
| juhaj | tls | 20:11 |
| phlixi_ | yeah, of course self signed certificate and "unknown CA" is prety much the same (technically) | 20:12 |
| juhaj | Ok, so vcf deals with contacts, good. How about sms, calendar, account settings etc? To be fair, I suppose just the sms should be enough as calendar syncs to google and the rest of the data is either rsyncable or "click here if you've forgotten your password" (for accounts) | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | sms is a sqlite database iirc | 20:13 |
| juhaj | phlixi_: There are quite a few "proper" CAs whose root certs are not included in various distros/packages | 20:13 |
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| phlixi_ | juhaj: yes, thats clear. but in the end if you self sign, then you are also "just a CAS that is not implemented by default". the only difference is, that the "other proper ca" is probably available in default on other systems. technically it is the same, it is not signed by a "valid" ca. where valid means it is installed | 20:16 |
| juhaj | sync-ui/syncevolution would be cool if it worked, but don't seem to be able to even start the sync. Does jolla do syncml even? | 20:16 |
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| juhaj | phlixi_: Indeed | 20:16 |
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| phlixi_ | juhaj: SMS https://together.jolla.com/question/54249/how-to-saving-sms-text-conversations/ | 20:18 |
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| juhaj | phlixi_: Cool. Thanks. In fact I suppose I could dump all the contacts to google, but google just freaks me out | 20:21 |
| phlixi_ | thats why i am using jolla. i do not need a creepy google on my phone (nor apple) in all other things they are superior... | 20:22 |
| juhaj | (I find it really disturbing when maps.google.co.uk shows me my hotel bookings without my ever explicitly telling about them to google – the confirmation email is in gmail, so it all makes sense of course, but I find that disturbing) | 20:22 |
| juhaj | Indeed | 20:22 |
| toerb | phlixi_: nope not all other things | 20:23 |
| toerb | the sailfish ui is superior | 20:23 |
| phlixi_ | toerb: i will not argue on that. maybe there is a special thing where they dont, but in general, both android and ios are far superior compared to sailfish | 20:23 |
| juhaj | My XP with android is full of shit. The UI is just frozen most of the time. Wake it up from sleep -> snappy to home screen. Start a program -> freeze for 5 min. Always. Not much difference between different programs, they all do the same | 20:24 |
| toerb | phlixi_: as i said. for me the ui is one thing which is better on sailfish than on android or ios | 20:24 |
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| phlixi_ | juhaj: i have not the intent to praise the all mighty android or such thing, but iam pretty sure, that there was something broken. i have to deal with android and ios devices for work on a regular basis, and never expirienced such stuff (yes, of course, something crashed sometimes, but its not that this never happens on jolla) | 20:27 |
| phlixi_ | both are far more mature | 20:28 |
| phlixi_ | butin the end, i have hope, that jolla gets better ;-) | 20:28 |
| phlixi_ | i case of superior UI, i think N9 had the best UI :) | 20:29 |
| juhaj | N9 has a good UI, I still use N9 | 20:29 |
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| phlixi_ | i use it as a clock on the bedside table | 20:29 |
| juhaj | =) | 20:30 |
| juhaj | Soon I will need to relegate it to that role, too: it's battery is starting to be useless | 20:30 |
| phlixi_ | want to buy a n9? | 20:31 |
| juhaj | I don't need three ;) | 20:31 |
| phlixi_ | i have a blue 16gb and a black 64gb | 20:31 |
| juhaj | But tell me what could be wrong with said android then? | 20:31 |
| phlixi_ | i have no idea | 20:32 |
| phlixi_ | but starting an app freezes the phone, is not normal | 20:32 |
| juhaj | I even installed some system monitors in it, to see if the cpu or memory use were the issue: no | 20:32 |
| phlixi_ | after trying stuff found on google, i would probably whipe it | 20:33 |
| juhaj | It's not just starting an app, it's basically anything which goes from one app to another (I'm counting home screen as an app here) and quite often even inside an app, too | 20:33 |
| juhaj | If one needs to wipe a device because of a software problem, the software is shit. That's my definition of shit. Likewise, if I need to reboot a computer for program A to function after upgrading/restarting program B, that's also shit. Restarting A should be enough. | 20:35 |
| juhaj | But my statistics on android are not that good, just that one device | 20:35 |
| juhaj | Does not encourage me to try another one, though. I'd be happy to test it on some other devices, though, but it is not very user-install-friendly, is it? | 20:36 |
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| phlixi_ | well, if you somehow f*cked up the system, its maybe an easy thing to whipe it. while you would need to be some kind of a pro to track down the real problem, that you cold solve it without whiping it | 20:37 |
| phlixi_ | i can just tell you that this is normal for android to behave like that | 20:37 |
| phlixi_ | ...that it is NOT normal... :-) | 20:37 |
| juhaj | Well, it's done that very the very beginning, so certainly was not something I did | 20:37 |
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| chem|st | some sailor p0rn - credit card captains! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxg30c6z00E | 20:59 |
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| ryukafalz | I just got myself an N900, loving the UI so far and I wish Sailfish would take some things from it | 22:41 |
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