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| betchou | Hi everyone!! I want just to share here a big thanks for the Jolla developers. :) | 07:19 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks to you too for using the phone | 07:19 |
| betchou | Coding!! :P | 07:23 |
| betchou | I just bought a Raspberry also... I was thinking on installing SailfishOS on it. | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | one or two? | 07:24 |
| betchou | Latest | 07:24 |
| betchou | Two | 07:24 |
| Teemu | soon you can buy a pi+ poe hat | 07:24 |
| Teemu | works with at least model b+ and 2 | 07:24 |
| entil | sailfish runs on the pi? :o | 07:25 |
| betchou | Basically I want to develop an application for controlling leds. :) | 07:25 |
| Nicd- | entil: the newer pi. not the old one | 07:26 |
| Teemu | i've got an architecture for you thought out for this | 07:26 |
| betchou | And it would be nice to make the same software on the Raspberry or the phone. Just adding some proxy stuff to make the difference. | 07:26 |
| betchou | Teemu: I don't want Arduino. ;) | 07:27 |
| Teemu | no arduinos | 07:27 |
| Teemu | asymmetric crypto and ip protocols | 07:27 |
| Teemu | i already did the 8 bit thing some three decades ago | 07:27 |
| entil | Nicd-: sweet | 07:28 |
| Teemu | thing is, i've got a student writing his msc thesis on mutually authenticating device identities on top of coap protocol | 07:29 |
| Teemu | coap is used for control and monitoring messaging so i thought that it would be neat to not need other protocols | 07:29 |
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| tbr | coap seems to be decent | 07:30 |
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| betchou | Teemu: I see | 07:30 |
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| tbr | too bad the CC2530 seems to be too constrained for running the contiki coap app | 07:30 |
| betchou | Teemu: But the Raspberry seems a big guy now... No need to optimize much right? | 07:31 |
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| Teemu | betchou: that's true, my role for raspberry pi is to be the local orchestrator which ties different systems together and controls the more dumb things | 07:32 |
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| betchou | Teemu: I have to admit I'm completely newbie in remote control. | 07:35 |
| Teemu | https://github.com/temmihoo/just-like-star-trek/blob/master/JLST%20Draft.key/Data/ELL-i%20cloud%20architecture%20attempt-221.png | 07:36 |
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| Teemu | soon another image | 07:38 |
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| Teemu | https://imgur.com/pZ7s9MH | 07:42 |
| betchou | Teemu: Have to go for work... X) I'll come back soon for SailfishOS on Raspberry and CoAP to control strip leds remotely. :P | 07:42 |
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| ccha | hello, I want to use usb network on windows 7 but rndis device is up online for few minutes. So I installed an linux VM. MTP is OK inside the VM, but how can I create my usb device in the VM ? | 09:28 |
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| ccha | ok done, I forget to use developer mode :( | 10:05 |
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| scottc | :) | 10:11 |
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| ggabriel | soooo, is the tablet ready yet? :D | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | "only" 67 Days, 05 Hours, 45 Minutes, 42 Seconds left | 10:14 |
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| ccha | yesterday, I plugged my new sdcard, it mounted, everything was fine. today I rebooted, now sdcard not mounted | 10:45 |
| ccha | there is only /dev/mmcblk1 and no partition | 10:45 |
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| zutto | ccha: out of curiosity, was it a chinese sdcard? | 10:46 |
| zutto | i have had similar thing happen with "fake" chinese sdcard few times | 10:46 |
| ccha | yes | 10:46 |
| zutto | you should probably run some sort of flash memory tester on it | 10:47 |
| ccha | how you do that ? | 10:47 |
| zutto | h2testw is a popular tool to test them | 10:48 |
| scottc | ggabriel: I can't wait! | 10:50 |
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| zutto | but yeah, i had few cards that were formatted as X amount of storage, even tho in reality they just had 4gb of space.. This caused the system to write on non-existing space on the card that corrupts the partition and it simply wont be visible anymore | 10:51 |
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| ccha | h2testw is on sialfish ? | 10:55 |
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| zutto | no no, its windows application | 10:59 |
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| ccha | so zutto does your sdcard a fake ? | 11:26 |
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| ccha | there is http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ for linux | 11:26 |
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| zutto | yuh, that probably works | 11:27 |
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| juhaj_ | I wonder where Jolla's "in picking" happens: the website says my phone is "In picking" as it has been ever since I placed the order 9 days ago (after finally getting the voucher code after 5 complaints and 3 weeks from payment of the tablet/phone perk) | 11:54 |
| juhaj_ | Yet I hold the phone in my hand. | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | it's been picked up by your hand -> in picking :) | 11:54 |
| juhaj_ | Perhaps they are going to send some of those Thai berry pickers who fill up all the forests in Finland in the summer over to my office to pick the phone? | 11:55 |
| tadzik | it's in the woods -> in picknicking | 11:55 |
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| pp | durn, wrong subscription to get ipv4v6 from dna :( | 13:08 |
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| baum | just wondering, why can't i buy these things directly in the jolla shop? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/6TWMNB35 | 14:19 |
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| Nicd- | baum: because they are made by kimmoli, not Jolla | 14:21 |
| kimmoli | wut? | 14:22 |
| baum | Nicd-: and it's not like jolla can't create it's own PCB right? | 14:27 |
| baum | *can | 14:28 |
| tiwake | baum: they cant, they outsource PCB development and production | 14:28 |
| baum | well they could design it - outsource the production of the PCB board too - and sell the boards in their store, right? | 14:28 |
| tiwake | well sure | 14:29 |
| tiwake | seems like a lot of hassle though | 14:29 |
| tiwake | there are companies you get get PCB's cut out for really cheap | 14:30 |
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| baum | well, right now the hassle is on the people who want to play with their phone. there are basicly two options 1)make your own PCB 2)let a company like oshpark print it for you (and don't forget about the minimum ammount of PCB's to order)... | 14:31 |
| baum | tiwake: any recommendations? | 14:31 |
| kimmoli | itead. 10 pcbs, ~12-15 EUR | 14:31 |
| tiwake | no, because I forgot what they are and havent actually done it myself XD | 14:32 |
| kimmoli | iirc there are some pcbs left @ devaamo | 14:32 |
| kimmoli | i have parts for that specific board. | 14:33 |
| Teemu | devaamo? | 14:33 |
| kimmoli | but the fastest route might be: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/BreadboardTOH-KIT/p/43271634/category=9141090 | 14:33 |
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| baum | kimmoli: oh well, thanks. And thanks alot for the work you've put into the board :) | 14:35 |
| baum | itead looks like the way to go | 14:36 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, i'm still waiting 3d printed clip | 14:36 |
| kimmoli | dr_gogeta86: have i forgot something? ... damn | 14:36 |
| kimmoli | gtg bbl | 14:36 |
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| jcbjoe | hola | 15:03 |
| jcbjoe | i forgot my device passcode do i need to factory reset and if so how do i do this ? | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | device passcode = lock code? | 15:03 |
| jcbjoe | yea | 15:04 |
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| ggabriel | i suggest you contact care | 15:04 |
| tadzik | do they have the masterkey? :) | 15:05 |
| tadzik | that'd be funny | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | no, they'll probably ask you to send the device | 15:06 |
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| ggabriel | i don't know of any way if you forgot the code | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | there is a way to recover if you accidentally typed the code wrongly in the general ui with recovery mode | 15:06 |
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| jcbjoe | how | 15:12 |
| jcbjoe | i'm trying to right now | 15:12 |
| jcbjoe | im stuk at a jolla logo | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | jcbjoe: if you forgot the password, then there is no point | 15:12 |
| jcbjoe | i didn't | 15:13 |
| jcbjoe | i have 2/7 | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'm confused with what your problem is then | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | you said "i forgot my device passcode" | 15:13 |
| jcbjoe | si forgot the device lock code | 15:13 |
| jcbjoe | where you first open up the phone and it ask for the passcode | 15:13 |
| jcbjoe | i tried 2 times and i 5 more attempts | 15:14 |
| jcbjoe | but at this point i don't want to perm lock it | 15:14 |
| jcbjoe | so now i need to get into recovery mode | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | ok, so there's no point entering recovery mode if you don't know the password | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | recovery mode is going to ask for the same password before a factory reset | 15:14 |
| jcbjoe | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 15:15 |
| jcbjoe | so will this help ? | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | i don't think so as you aren't stuck in a boot loop | 15:15 |
| jcbjoe | im stuck at the jolla logo on my phone | 15:17 |
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| ggabriel | are you stuck at the logo or at the input for the code? | 15:21 |
| jcbjoe | no | 15:21 |
| jcbjoe | i was stuck at the jolla logo | 15:21 |
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| jcbjoe | i did a battery pull | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | right... | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | can you shut it down by pressing the power button rather than removing the battery? | 15:21 |
| jcbjoe | no | 15:22 |
| jcbjoe | it didn't let me | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | have you pressed it long enough? | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | (~30 seconds) | 15:23 |
| jcbjoe | holding power dosen't work | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | ok, you can try recovery mode and see what happens | 15:24 |
| jcbjoe | yes | 15:24 |
| jcbjoe | i need help with that | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | there's an article in jolla.zendesk.com that explains exactly how to do it | 15:24 |
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| Nicd- | baum: jolla probably has bigger things to worry about than that | 16:28 |
| Nicd- | that's pretty niche stuff even for jolla users | 16:29 |
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| tbr | baum: I might still have some unpopulated PCBs against P&P. | 16:36 |
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| baum | Nicd-: worry about what? | 16:40 |
| baum | tbr: ah well thanks, but about an hour too late - i already ordered a dozend of PCBs via express | 16:41 |
| tbr | :) | 16:41 |
| tbr | I wouldn't have had that many anyway | 16:41 |
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| * baum only ordered that many since he hates to pay more for shipping than the product =P | 16:43 | |
| tbr | :> | 16:45 |
| Nicd- | baum: like SFOS 2.0, the tablet, phone upgrades, support etc etc etc | 16:47 |
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| baum | what i didn't quite get though - why are the pins that far appart? if all of them would be at one spot connecting them would be a way easier | 16:48 |
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| baum | Nicd-: yes, but what did i mention they should worry about? | 16:49 |
| Nicd- | designing a PCB, making contracts for manufacture, quality control, logistics... | 16:50 |
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| Teemu | are they not selling 3rd party products already in the store? | 16:53 |
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| jcbjoe | in customer care can i create a ticket ? | 16:54 |
| Nicd- | yes but those are most likely vastly more popular than a pcb | 16:54 |
| baum | ah well, that's nothing to worry about, i just wanted to mention that this would be nice - since all i see in the jolla store are different coloured TOHs (which requires the same ammount of logistics, QC and so on). Having atleast a PCB there would probably aim a bit more on jollas target customer | 16:54 |
| Nicd- | I don't think hardware geeks are jolla's target customers | 16:55 |
| Teemu | i'm with nicd- on this | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | jcbjoe: you can email care@jolla.com | 16:55 |
| baum | Nicd-: and still they are the ones who carry on with the TOH concept (unlike the company does itselfe) | 16:56 |
| baum | means the goal should be to get as many hardware geeks interested as possible | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | tohkbd has some support from jolla | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | but i guess you have to have something good first to get interest | 16:57 |
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| ggabriel | i think there are too many things to look at and too few eyes to focus | 16:57 |
| baum | but speaking of the target-audience - how did that angry-bird thing fit into the pattern? (didn't realy get the idea behind that) | 17:00 |
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| Nicd- | I think it was more for them (building partnerships) than for us | 17:03 |
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| jcbjoe | i tried to put my jolla in recovery mode but it fails .. it seems like its working but i can't telnet to it | 17:14 |
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| jcbjoe | anyone | 17:20 |
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| FiXion | anyone know how jolla handles android apps requests for access to sms'es etc. ? | 19:47 |
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| * Ikarus grmbls something about lack of official NFC access | 20:06 | |
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| kimmoli | dont. it is unusable anyway for almost anything else than TOH... | 20:11 |
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| rigo | kimmoli: my N9 does brilliant data transfer using NFC | 20:12 |
| Ikarus | kimmoli: I was hoping to tie it to a yubikey neo | 20:13 |
| kimmoli | that is N9... | 20:13 |
| jcbjoe | is customer care closed .. i sent a ticket a few hours ago and nobody is answering or getting back to me | 20:13 |
| kimmoli | propably at these hours.. | 20:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: need to make that nfc toh | 20:15 |
| kimmoli | sure | 20:15 |
| kimmoli | i need to build first my iobbq | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | iobbq | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | tweeting bbq? | 20:16 |
| kimmoli | you got it | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | you need an omgqtfbbq first | 20:16 |
| scottc | jcbjoe: it's late in finland :) | 20:17 |
| jcbjoe | oh ok | 20:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: so you going to have sausage recognition along with instagram filters? | 20:22 |
| r0kk3rz | so your bbq knows what its bbqing | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | that will be in 2.0 then | 20:23 |
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| pdanek | Advantages of Fedora over Arch Linux on desktop? | 22:16 |
| pdanek | Except easier to install/use. | 22:16 |
| gogeta | i dunno ... | 22:18 |
| gogeta | i think arch is a bit more bleading edge | 22:19 |
| gogeta | rather then fedora | 22:19 |
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