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kimmolihttp://www.ibuyla.com/Product/43313311334/Aigo_Patriot_X86_WIFI_16GB_7.9_inch_Tablet_PC_Intel_quad_core_MIUI_system05:33
tiwakeonly 16 gigs?05:34
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locusfhmm look at it, looks disturbingly similar to Jolla tablet05:34
tiwakebut expensive05:35
locusfsure05:35
tiwakeand android05:35
kimmolihttp://www.atupapa.com/30837100030en.html05:35
kimmolimore pics05:35
kimmolicheaper05:35
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chem|stkimmoli: lol, that is apart of the buttons/connectors position a 1:1 copy^^12:00
kimmolidoesnt those also match?12:01
chem|stheadphone?12:01
chem|stnot sure right now12:01
chem|stuSD and uUSB fit12:02
kimmoliheadphone is in that corner12:03
dr_gogeta86kimmoli, i think is it12:03
dr_gogeta86also battery is the same12:03
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chem|stkimmoli: they probably do it like Nike Fab did... charge 50% more for materials and order that 50% actually and produce the same in a third shift just with another lable12:05
chem|stlabel12:05
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mornfallchem|st: which might be how they turn profits, given the cutthroat pricing for work12:32
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chem|stmornfall: that is about to change for china though, manufacturers move to cheaper countries13:57
chem|stand cutthroat pricing for work... what do they need the extra profit for than other to make the rich more rich?13:58
mornfallit's probably not extra profit, it's the *only* profit14:02
mornfallno profit -> shop closes14:02
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iekkucollaboration meeting starting in 7 minutes at #mer-meeting14:53
Taaeemhttps://twitter.com/Vsenn_Official/status/58032440412042444814:54
Taaeemhttps://twitter.com/Vsenn_Official/status/58007023072824524814:54
TaaeemWhy is Jolla not working together with Vsenn, it seems they would want to build a partnership. They have a nice idea for a modular phone, would be great hardware for sailfish os14:54
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iekkuTaaeem, thanks for pinging14:55
Taaeemiekku just wanted to let you know14:55
SpeedEvilhttp://www.equipnet.com/auctions/catalog/exceptional-offering-of-communication-testers%2c-analyzers%2c-oscilloscopes%2c-ge/656/ :/14:56
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scottcanyone around here actively submitting apps to the store?15:02
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merlin1991Hm I'm actively waiting for qtpositioning to be allowed15:20
tadzikI submat an app once, I got a rejection quite quickly due to bad naming :)15:22
tadzikthen our party switched to D&D 5e, so a 3.5 spell list I don't need anymore15:22
SfietKonstantinWmerlin1991: what is interesting in QtPositionning vs Location ?15:22
merlin1991Or was it location, id use either15:23
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merlin1991But afaik still both not allowed15:23
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iekkutadzik, if i were still playing, i would love to have that kind of app15:25
iekkumerlin1991, are you participating to collaboration meeting?15:25
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tadzikiekku: I think I even fixed all the issues, but didn't bother to submit it again15:25
tadzikiekku: I also managed to extract/parse the spells from the public PDF with Basic Rules from 5e, and ended up with a nice JSON full of them15:26
tadzikthat, however, is basically breaking the copyright of WoTC15:26
merlin1991iekku: only lurling since on the phone15:26
tadzikor whoever published that15:26
iekkutadzik, :nod:15:26
iekkumerlin1991, ok15:27
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tadzik3.5 has a public SRD, 5e has a PDF that says "distribution of this content is prohibited"15:27
tadzikso if I do write such app I'll probably never publish it, or at least not to the Store15:28
lainwir3d__:o15:28
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lainwir3d__i was playing to do a 5e app15:29
tadzikyou can do an app alright, but good luck with the content :P15:29
lainwir3d__hmmm15:29
tadzikwell, feel free to use https://github.com/tadzik/5e-spells15:29
tadzikbefore I get a DMCA request on it :P15:29
lainwir3d__well you could just implements the mechanism and include a way for the use to enter spells15:29
lainwir3d__or.... allow him to import a xml :P15:30
lainwir3d__that could be provided on a russian server lol15:30
tadzikhaha15:30
lainwir3d__haha ok i'll clone it now :P15:30
jaacoppiscottc: actively? I'm about to submit my first15:33
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scottcjaacoppi: cool! I've got a couple written but haven't submitted any yet, was hoping to hear others' experiences15:51
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jaacoppiI think the general opinion is that Harbour has strict policies15:58
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jaacoppiI submitted to openrepos.net first to get user feedback15:59
scottcnice, I haven't actually used openrepos much yet15:59
scottconly had my Jolla for about a month15:59
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jaacoppisame here16:00
jaacoppiI prefer the official store16:01
scottcthe official store is quite good16:01
jaacoppiyou should check out #sailfishos for dev discussions16:01
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jaacoppiofficial store lacks apps, other than that it's good16:02
tadzikit's a lot more pleasant to use, but there are so many good things in openrepos16:02
scottcI think it's good that the harbour guidelines are strict, it avoids the situation that the Play Store for Android is in (no offense to the Android guys)16:03
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scottcthanks for the tips, jaacoppi!16:03
tadzikwell, the guidelines are not stopping low-effort apps anywya :)16:03
scottcmaybe there should be some guidelines about how to write guidelines16:04
tadzikbut there's no guidelines as to how to write that :(16:05
tadzikwho guides the guideliners16:05
ggabrieltadzik: metaguideliners16:05
scottcha16:05
scottchmm16:05
ggabrielalso, nothing wrong with low effort applications16:05
jaacoppiI'd hoped for better guidelines for ui and ux in general. Stuff on sailfishos.org is mostly for marketing16:05
ggabrielif anything, the trouble is whoever downloads them16:05
scottclow-effort is fine, low-quality is a problem16:05
ggabrielscottc: again, the issue is with the people consuming low quality16:06
ggabriel(not to mention that quality is subjective most of the time)16:06
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tadzikwell, outright confusing UI and crashes are pretty objective :)16:08
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tadzikby outright confusing I mean something like Series'Me does, when you can pretty much swipe right indefinitely even though there's no white dot on top, and sometimes you'll end up where you started16:09
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iekkujaacoppi, there will be more. we are working with that16:09
scottctadzik: that does sound pretty confusing...16:10
* scottc downloads16:10
tadzikscottc: it's quite an adventure :)16:10
tadzikI tested in Big Bang Theory16:10
scottcSailSeries is quite good, not sure if you have used it16:10
scottcbasic, but good nonetheless16:11
tadzikhmmm, maybe that's what I was using? With grey icon?16:11
scottcyep, seems like it16:11
tadzikI uninstalled it today, whatever it was that I had16:11
tadzikoh yes, then this is the Confusing UI that I meant16:11
tadzikinteresting that we have different experience with it16:11
scottcoh yeah, this is quite confusing16:11
scottcI never tried to swipe right because I didn't see the white dot ;)16:12
tadzikoh, heh16:12
tadzikI think swiping left has a similar effect though :D16:12
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scottcI usually hit the dot instead of swiping to avoid closing the app due to a misfire :P16:13
tadzikheh16:13
iekkumerlin1991, QtPositioning will be supported in Harbour and there's pull request waitin16:18
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merlin1991iekku: thanks16:19
scottcooh, there is a Telegram app in Warehouse, thanks for reminding me to check it out jaacoppi16:20
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M4rtinK_jolla_iekku: whats the timeline actually once the pull request is merged ?17:39
M4rtinK_jolla_iekku: can we start submitting QtPositioning using apss right away or does something else need to happen ?17:40
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Sailor8545_Hi, my Jolla stopped charging via USB port when I choose charging only, I have to choose PC connection to start charging.19:48
Sailor8545_It happens since this week, last week it didn't happen19:49
Sailor8545_do you know what.could be the issue please?19:49
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HtheBSailor8545_: remove battery, wait a couple minutes19:51
HtheBpress the power button (so it decharges it)19:51
HtheBthen put the battery back in, and try again19:51
Sailor8545what? really? known issue?19:51
Sailor8545but charging from power or usb pc connection is fine19:52
Sailor8545only usb charging only19:52
Sailor8545it's odd19:52
HtheBmaybe it doesnt getenough power19:52
Sailor8545same usb port as always19:53
Sailor8545and I tried different ports too19:53
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falfahow do i get rid of the weather app advertisment notification?20:07
falfa:-)20:07
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falfait seems unremovable20:07
Mikaelalicensing probably doesn't allow it to be removed20:08
falfalicensing? I've not installed it.20:08
falfaso i've not licensed it :-)20:08
falfathe notification came with the sailfish upgrade20:09
tbr falfa press hold the notification20:09
falfabrb20:09
falfaa submenu appeared "no thanks"20:10
tbrtake a guess :)20:10
falfai'd thought "clear all" would've taken care of that, but there i go20:11
falfatbr: thx :-)20:11
falfasailfish is nice.20:11
Mikaelamaybe we are talking about different thing20:11
falfai dunno20:11
tbrthe os uses press hold in a few places, it's not /that/ obvious though20:11
falfaits okay20:11
falfayou learn20:11
falfais sailfish the only os that uses swipes for most things?20:12
falfasomeone told me that bill phones used it to the same extent, but i'm not convinced20:13
tbrWP uses it a bit20:13
tbrUbuntu touch also20:13
falfaa bit, thats what i suspected20:13
falfait took me around 1-2 weeks to adapt to sailfish20:14
falfabut now android feels primitive and brute20:14
falfai'm not sure swipes are more efficient, it just gives a more elegant feeling20:15
r0kk3rzwell you could argue that BBOS10 was the original gesture for everything os20:15
falfaoh?20:15
falfanever used20:15
r0kk3rznot many did20:16
falfais bbos10 similar in feel to sailfish?20:16
attahwasn't bb10 introduced after meego?20:17
falfathe n9 was very pretty20:17
falfathin20:17
attahindeed20:17
falfathe jolla feels clunky and cheap in comparison20:18
falfabut ill stick to it20:18
attahit feeels like a samsung almost ;)20:18
attahme too, wouldn't have it any other way20:18
falfayeah, the interface wins20:19
falfaand it makes me feel like a superior sob20:19
falfasnob20:19
falfahmf20:19
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r0kk3rzattah: i would, i cant wait until we get some decent hardware20:20
attahyeah.. that'll be neat20:20
attahhonestly its ust the plastic frame around the display that is rally sub-standard20:20
r0kk3rzand the battery terminals20:21
r0kk3rzmostly the battery terminals20:21
attahhaven't had that..20:21
* attah knocks on wood20:21
r0kk3rzconsider yourself lucky then20:22
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r0kk3rzbecause its really annoying when your phone goes from 50% to 5% in 2 seconds20:24
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attahsure that's the terminals?20:26
attahsounds more like a case of shitty lithium cell to me20:27
r0kk3rzwell you clean the terminal surfaces to fix the problem20:27
attahbut.. aren't they gold?20:27
r0kk3rzso if they were maybe 0.5mm wider, maybe not so much of an issue20:28
attahpogo thingys should be pointy20:28
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kimmolior double....20:29
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falfaor triple20:49
ShadowJKif they're pointy, don't you lose alot of power at the tips?20:52
attahif they were infinitely pointy, yes :)20:55
tbrattah: you can have also corrsosion and surface problems with gold. impurities and all that. even worse if there are different impurities in the surfaces.21:04
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attahtbr: exactly, and pointyness, if correctly designed, helps penetrate that21:14
tbryup21:17
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zetazhello all21:23
zetazI got a question from a french member of the community who has trouble with a brand new jolla : what is the sailfish version he has out of the box ?21:24
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falfaits readable in the lower part of the config app21:25
zetazby the way, his problem is that after playing with it half an hour, he rebooted it, and from now display doesn't work anymore (hardware ok, as Jolla logo is displayed during boot). Phone still functional as he can call him and the phone rings.21:25
zetazfalfa: problem his he can't read the screen, which stays off (or apparently fully white at some point...)21:26
falfawell, i guess finding the os version is one of his less pressing problems21:26
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zetaznew info : he had done the update... but didn't work since then21:26
falfai had problems with the audio in my device, then i dropped it from 1,5 m on a concrete floor, the audio started again21:27
falfamaybe he could try something similar?21:27
zetazfalfa: lol ;)21:28
zetazI don't think I will take a chance21:28
zetazI => he21:28
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zetazanyone got a similar problem after an update : screen not working anymore, but phone still working ok ?21:29
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TTThi, quick question. I have added my gmail email, and now all my gmail contacts are in contacts list21:37
TTTis there a way to remove them from contacts list?21:37
TTTon the other hand, how else can I use google talk to IM them...21:37
TTThmm21:37
politieif you go to settings>accounts you can turn off sync for contacts per account21:38
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politiedont know if that removes the allready synced contacts21:39
politiebut would think so21:39
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TTTI just removed some contacts from my gmail contacts21:46
TTTto be more precise, from my gmail CHAT contacts21:46
TTTand they disappeared from my phone21:46
TTTthe few that remain- I can keep them on the phone, no big deal21:46
TTTanother question- is it possible to make status like battery, time, signal strength always visible on screen21:47
TTTlike on android, it's visible on screen in 80% of situations except some full screen games/apps21:47
politierun an android launcher21:47
TTTbut in jolla, it's only visible if I scroll between my lock screen and running app screen21:47
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politiei only know of an app that shows batterylife21:48
politiecalled21:48
politielet me look21:48
politiebattery overlay21:49
TTThmm21:49
politiebut for time and such i dont know21:49
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TTTI'll have to look into that. I don't have a watch, so I prefer to have time visible most of the time on my phone, no matter what I'm doing21:49
TTTthat's the only problem I have so far.21:50
TTTI got my jolla 2 days ago21:50
TTTI'm quite happy with it so far21:50
TTTI expected the experience to be worse (or at least harder to get used to)21:50
TTTit's quite well polished for a device made by a small startup...21:51
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TTTwhat do I use to access files on Jolla from linux?21:53
TTTcan I just mount it?21:53
TTTMTP?21:54
falfaI use ssh21:54
politiei had more luck connecting it to windows21:54
politiemtp yea21:54
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TTTjmtpfs works fine, "mtpfs" craps out21:58
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TTTcool, contact import worked perfectly.22:03
TTTnow if only there was a native skype app, but since MS bought it, that's just not going to happen...22:03
TTTok, I'll sign off22:03
TTTcool phone, i really love it so far22:03
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falfaits addictive22:10
TTTtesting irc from my phone22:10
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kimmoliTTT: for time being always visible, get a toholed :)22:14
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nanderIs it possible to use a windows PC as though it was a bluetooth headset on jolla?22:28
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Oni^vnc?22:35
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zetazI need help ! I am helping someone with this problem : https://together.jolla.com/question/73311/my-jolla-not-booting-after-upgrade-to-vaarainjarvi/?answer=73315#post-id-7331522:42
zetazbut the post that should have the solution is not accessible : https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763#3122:42
zetaz"You're not authorized to access this page."22:42
zetazbut I am logged22:42
zetazAnyone knows how to get that info ?22:43
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zetaz"[ERROR] Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing."22:46
zetazAnyone ? ^22:46
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kimmolihttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode-22:49
kimmolii assume that page has changed22:50
kimmolipropably information can be found there, not sure22:50
zetazkimmoli: thanks, I take a look22:51
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HtheBkimmoli: you there?23:04
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zetazkimmoli: thanks for the link. Looks like there is all we need here. It is too late to start this now, so it will be for tommorow23:14
zetazthanks again, you're always helpful !23:15
kimmolizetaz: np23:15
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