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| HtheB | anyone here still around? | 00:19 |
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| scottc | hello | 00:19 |
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| HtheB | i need some help with my micro sd card | 00:34 |
| HtheB | it's totally corrupted | 00:35 |
| HtheB | wish someone could help me how to revive it using terminal | 00:35 |
| HtheB | :( | 00:35 |
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| pahartik | HtheB: Begin by generating copy of contents with "dd" on workstation? | 01:16 |
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| HtheB | pahartik: what do you mean, just "dd" in the terminal? | 01:17 |
| HtheB | I've done: dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=1024k | 01:17 |
| HtheB | output: | 01:17 |
| HtheB | 12:1 records in | 01:17 |
| HtheB | 12:1 records out | 01:17 |
| HtheB | (the microsd card should be 8GB) | 01:19 |
| pahartik | HtheB: For example "sudo dd if=device of=file bs=1M" | 01:19 |
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| HtheB | i think you've missed my message | 01:19 |
| HtheB | [02:16] <HtheB> I've done: dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/null bs=1024k <<< | 01:20 |
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| Ezko | does anyone know how to paste stuff into terminal | 01:21 |
| Ezko | that has been copied from elsewhere | 01:21 |
| pahartik | HtheB: If it is broken and fails to read sectors, message probably shows up at end of "dmesg" | 01:21 |
| HtheB | pahartik: mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 SD016 12.5 MiB | 01:23 |
| HtheB | mmcblk1: unknown partition table | 01:23 |
| pahartik | HtheB: If it shows up as 12.5 MiB device to kernel, it seems seriously broken | 01:26 |
| HtheB | no chance to revive it? :( | 01:27 |
| pahartik | HtheB: Try with another card reader to see if that makes any difference | 01:28 |
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| HtheB | my card reader wont pick up anything | 01:28 |
| HtheB | this is the output from my N900 | 01:29 |
| HtheB | I can try out Jolla and see what it says | 01:29 |
| HtheB | pahartik: same output on Jolla as well | 01:31 |
| HtheB | 12MiB | 01:31 |
| pahartik | HtheB: It is not surprising if SDHC cards lose data or stop working without warning | 01:32 |
| HtheB | i just received the card though :p | 01:34 |
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| HtheB | it was new | 01:34 |
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| HtheB | contacted the seller | 01:35 |
| pahartik | HtheB: So it never worked on your devices... | 01:37 |
| HtheB | it did at the start | 01:37 |
| HtheB | i copied some files | 01:37 |
| HtheB | but i forget to copy something, so i tryed it again | 01:38 |
| HtheB | but, no dice this time | 01:38 |
| pahartik | HtheB: Luckily, you did not lose data... | 01:40 |
| HtheB | yeah | 01:40 |
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| HtheB | although i always keep a backup on my hdd | 01:40 |
| HtheB | i really wish that we could make this thing back alive :P | 01:40 |
| pahartik | HtheB: You could try to blank it from "/dev/zero", but that is about it | 01:42 |
| HtheB | dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 of=/dev/zero bs=1024k | 01:43 |
| HtheB | like that? | 01:43 |
| pahartik | HtheB: No, because you want input and output reversed | 01:44 |
| HtheB | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1024k | 01:45 |
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| pahartik | HtheB: That, and I do not know what "k" does, "dd" describes only "K" | 01:48 |
| pahartik | HtheB: And "K" translates to "KiB" | 01:50 |
| HtheB | ok, running command with K now | 01:51 |
| HtheB | says No space left on device (it's still busy though) | 01:51 |
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| HtheB | pahartik: 13+0 records in | 01:53 |
| HtheB | 12+0 records out | 01:53 |
| HtheB | 13107200 bytes (13 MB) copied, 150.997 s, 86.8kB/s | 01:54 |
| pahartik | HtheB: If it is still 12.5 MiB in size after detaching and attaching, that did not help | 01:54 |
| HtheB | indeed :( | 01:54 |
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| pahartik | HtheB: It is most likely waste of time to think about that card | 01:57 |
| HtheB | yeah i guess so | 01:57 |
| HtheB | i better wait for a reply from the shop | 01:58 |
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| Venemo_j | hey guys | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Venemo_j | 08:26 |
| Venemo_j | anyone has yellowish blobs on their jolla lcd? | 08:26 |
| Venemo_j | heya Stskeeps :) | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: sounds like a care issue | 08:27 |
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| Venemo_j | well | 08:27 |
| Venemo_j | how long is the warranty? | 08:27 |
| Venemo_j | I think I'm out of the warranty period | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 08:28 |
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| Bysmyyr | eu normal 2y, othervice I think 1 | 08:28 |
| politie | jolla says 1 year | 08:29 |
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| Venemo_j | umm | 08:31 |
| Venemo_j | so care can send me to hell | 08:31 |
| Venemo_j | great | 08:31 |
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| politie | i thought reliable products had 2 years by law though, in eu | 08:34 |
| Bysmyyr | I got free repair after 1.3years(in finland) | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | I remember getting 2 year warranty but can't find the receipt for it | 08:35 |
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| Venemo_j | mmhm | 08:37 |
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| Venemo_j | so it maybe is worth a shot | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | doesn't hurt to ask | 08:37 |
| Azog | at least broken display will not be repaired for free :( | 08:41 |
| Venemo_j | it is not broken | 08:41 |
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| Venemo_j | I never even dropped the device, ever | 08:42 |
| Azog | just try it, asking is for free | 08:42 |
| Venemo_j | k | 08:42 |
| zutto | jollas screen is silly | 08:42 |
| zutto | my touchscreen stopped working after the UI crashed | 08:42 |
| zutto | and these yellowish blobs sound weird | 08:43 |
| tbr | Venemo_j: by EU law you have 2 years mandatory, technically with reversed burden of proof after 6 months. (It becomes your obligation to prove that the fault is caused by something that was there before you bought it) | 08:44 |
| tbr | I'd expect that not to be an issue | 08:44 |
| Venemo_j | the fault was not there before I bought it | 08:45 |
| zutto | tbr: 2 years mandatory? | 08:45 |
| tbr | yellow spots inside the display are probably quite hard to cause by the user | 08:45 |
| zutto | where does this come from | 08:45 |
| tbr | zutto: yes | 08:45 |
| tbr | zutto: EU consumer law | 08:45 |
| Venemo_j | thanks tbr :) | 08:45 |
| zutto | intresting | 08:45 |
| zutto | so jollas warranty terms are not applicable then if its the EU consumer rights act stating that | 08:46 |
| tbr | zutto: it's a difference though between mandatory and manufacturer voluntary | 08:46 |
| tbr | IANAL, do your own research on that. | 08:46 |
| tbr | Also I do seem to remember that there was a difference in /jolla's/ voluntary warranty period depending on if you bought it as pre-order, during launch event, in dna store, later online from jolla. | 08:47 |
| Venemo_j | tbr: https://jolla.com/warranty-policy/ | 08:47 |
| Venemo_j | tbr: says 1 year | 08:47 |
| zutto | yep | 08:48 |
| zutto | the /fi/ version says 1 year too | 08:48 |
| zutto | thats why i'm curious about that 2 year requirement, jollas lawyers who have written these should know them | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | "However, this Limited Warranty shall neither exclude nor limit any legal (statutory) rights under the applicable national laws." | 08:48 |
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| Venemo_j | mhm | 08:49 |
| tbr | yes, that's the difference | 08:49 |
| zutto | yeah | 08:49 |
| Venemo_j | maybe they should've clarified that better | 08:49 |
| tbr | Venemo_j: your device is still under warranty. Don't question that yourself. Just request help from care regarding that. | 08:49 |
| Venemo_j | okay tbr | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm | 08:50 |
| tbr | don't bring up the date / warranty period yourself, that's just asking for confusion and trouble | 08:50 |
| Nicd- | "Your two-year legal guarantee cannot be shortened by a commercial guarantee" | 08:50 |
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| Venemo_j | but then, I still have to pay for shipping it to care, right? | 08:52 |
| politie | probably | 08:52 |
| zutto | shouldnt that be covered by warranty too? | 08:52 |
| Venemo_j | dunno, should it? | 08:53 |
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| zutto | not sure | 08:54 |
| zutto | but the shipping shouldnt be expensive | 08:54 |
| zutto | i wish i could drop my phone at their office to fix | 08:54 |
| zutto | since i work at the next building | 08:54 |
| Venemo_j | from the opposite part of the eu? it isn't cheap to ship to finland | 08:54 |
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| zutto | where in EU are you located at? | 08:59 |
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| Venemo_j | Budapest, Hungary | 09:04 |
| Venemo_j | last time I sent something to Finland (with insurance) it cost ~60€ | 09:05 |
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| tbr | Venemo_j: you'll find out in the process if they cover shipping or not, then you can decide if you do or don't | 09:11 |
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| Venemo_j | right | 09:14 |
| Venemo_j | thanks tbr for the encouragement | 09:14 |
| tbr | np | 09:14 |
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| ln- | are android apps supposed to have the upside-down portrait orientation? | 10:06 |
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| tadzik | for me they usually don't | 10:07 |
| raa700 | I haven't encountered that either | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | not sure that's implemented yet for any application tbh | 10:08 |
| tadzik | being upside down? | 10:09 |
| Ikarus | android apps need to tell aswell that they support it | 10:09 |
| ggabriel | any upside down orientation | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | didn't they say that sfos 2.0 will have that? | 10:10 |
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| Ikarus | ggabriel: it should, but I have Android apps that handle seascape fine | 10:14 |
| * ggabriel assumes seascape = horizontal upside down | 10:15 | |
| ggabriel | Ikarus: on the jolla? | 10:15 |
| Ikarus | yup | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | ok, didn't know that could happen. cool then | 10:16 |
| Ikarus | but the point is Android applications, like Qt ones need to tell the OS that they support it | 10:18 |
| Ikarus | and then handle the events, etc | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | https://whispersystems.org/blog/goodbye-encrypted-sms/ | 10:20 |
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| ln- | i've witnessed at least one Android app that has all four orientations (on an Android tablet). but on Jolla, it doesn't have upside-down portrait. | 10:21 |
| ln- | and it appears many Android devices do not have upside-down portrait either. | 10:21 |
| Ikarus | ln-: mhm | 10:22 |
| ln- | instead, jolla changes to normal portrait when the phone is upside-down... which is suboptimal. | 10:22 |
| Ikarus | also some Android applications handle rotation themselves (as there are some bugs in it on Android and certain phones) | 10:23 |
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| jaacoppi | it seems Sailfish SDK supports Orientation.Portrait, Orientation.Landscape and Orientation.LandscapeInverted | 10:30 |
| ln- | that may or may not affect android apps. | 10:32 |
| kjetilho | what's the use case of portraitinverted? on my Android phone I sometimes used the landscapeinverted mode for photos, when I rested the phone on something and didn't want the buttons to be activated... | 10:32 |
| kjetilho | ah. would be useful in a docking station since the Jolla charger connects at the top | 10:33 |
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| Nicd- | found a funny easter egg in coderus's ScreenTapShot :) | 10:37 |
| Nicd- | go to the about page and pull way down | 10:37 |
| ln- | could be useful in a situation where you'd want the charging cable to go downwards rather than up. (e.g. in a car) | 10:37 |
| ln- | but if upside-down is not supported, i think the orientation should remain in the previous landscape setting rather than turning everything completely upside-down. | 10:38 |
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| Mikaela | I used to use some app on Android that had forced auto option that could also turn the screen upside down | 12:01 |
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| Pawky|2 | how do you send a file using bluetooth? | 12:24 |
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| Pawky|2 | duh... so nobody in here knows how to send a file using bluetooth in jolla? | 12:48 |
| Oni^ | bluetooth-sendto --device=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX filename | 12:50 |
| Pawky|2 | thats a good one, but I thought I could do it directly in the graphical environment... I mean what phone or computer doesnt have this feature implemented? | 12:54 |
| tadzik | jolla phone, clearly :P | 12:55 |
| tadzik | but doesn't filemanager do that? | 12:55 |
| tadzik | indeed, it doesn't | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | https://whispersystems.org/blog/goodbye-encrypted-sms/ | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | erm, sorry | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/1302/bluetooth-file-transfer-for-all-file-types/ | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | that one | 12:58 |
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| phlixi_ | I bet I (at least) once send a file via bluetooth. Not sure how I did that, but iirc I selected "share" (or similar) and "via bluetooth" (or similar). Of course they need to be paired, maybe luetooth is not shown as an option if there a re no paired devices... | 14:47 |
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| phlixi_ | ...maybe I did that from the mail client, it was probably a XLS i got via email which i opened on my nexus7, but I do not remember whether I maybe saved it first, or "shared" it directly from the mail app | 14:48 |
| phlixi_ | Pawky|2 | 14:48 |
| phlixi_ | :-= | 14:48 |
| phlixi_ | :-) | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_: for a few seconds i thought you put a darth vader face | 14:48 |
| phlixi_ | nah, just super fat fingers | 14:49 |
| phlixi_ | *tchhhh | 14:49 |
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| ccha2 | I'm testing my new sdcard with dd with /dev/zero. is there any another ? I don't have sdcard reader to plug on my computer to use h2testw | 17:47 |
| ccha2 | another way | 17:47 |
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| ccha2 | does h2testw can test an MTP volume ? | 17:50 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ccha2: don't think so | 17:50 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (for MTP volume) | 17:51 |
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| ccha2 | is it possible to use jolla as sdcard->usb adaptator ? so my computer would detect sdcard as usb stockage device ? | 17:56 |
| tbr | by manipulating the gadget driver settings, probably | 17:57 |
| tbr | might even be explained on tjc | 17:57 |
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| ccha2 | tjc ? together.jolla.com ? | 17:59 |
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| tbr | yes | 18:01 |
| tbr | note that you will measure the whole chain, not just the card, performance may vary | 18:01 |
| ccha2 | right now is not for using sdcard, just to test it with h2testw | 18:02 |
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| * Stskeeps pops open a cold beer | 20:14 | |
| gogeta | Stskeeps, if you give me a non FI address i'll send you one of this https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p118x90/10153919_774599159278346_5802959405234262391_n.jpg?oh=0c01285154d15abec9c90c090b15cfc3&oe=55B13465&__gda__=1436988130_3e29621906c5e6f10fa9dacd84ff8881 | 20:17 |
| gogeta | once brewed again | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:17 |
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| Madman | can some1 pls guide me, how to install pine/ alpine or mutt on the jolla phone? | 22:09 |
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