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| Ponchale | hi people how are you? | 04:03 |
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| tiwake | Ponchale: tired | 05:00 |
| jaacoppi | variable names consume disk space in the source. Very important when you only had a kilobyte to spend | 05:23 |
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| louisdk | Good morning | 08:31 |
| Mikaela | hi | 08:31 |
| Mikaela | how are you? | 08:31 |
| louisdk | I'm fine thx and you? | 08:36 |
| Ponchale | fine fine Mikaela | 08:37 |
| Ponchale | and you feel better? | 08:37 |
| Mikaela | somewhat depressed and dysphoric | 08:38 |
| Ponchale | hi louisdk how are you | 08:38 |
| Ponchale | quiet everything will be alright already happened to you depression and then you'll be happy and I really | 08:39 |
| Ponchale | Mikaela you are developer? | 08:39 |
| Mikaela | I wish I was, but I have no coding skills at all and I don't feel like trying to learn currently | 08:40 |
| Ponchale | good as you engage in the Jolla community? | 08:42 |
| Mikaela | I have Jolla and am idling on these channels or sometimes saying something if I can help somehow | 08:42 |
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| Ponchale | oh ok | 08:45 |
| Ponchale | such you think the phone if you consider it better than android or IOS? Mikaela | 08:47 |
| Mikaela | I have never used iOS (unless you mean the Cisco Internetwork Operating System or whatever it was which isn't comparable), but Sailfish is nicer than Android | 08:47 |
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| Teemu | junos has much better user experience than ios | 08:49 |
| Mikaela | school had only IOS | 08:49 |
| Teemu | naturally | 08:50 |
| Mikaela | but Cisco is sponsoring them so it might not be surprising | 08:50 |
| Ponchale | as I can explore existing applications in Sailfish without the phone? | 08:50 |
| Mikaela | I am not sure what you mean | 08:51 |
| Teemu | in finland many technical solutions revolve around siemens and cisco and windos even though there are better solutions available | 08:51 |
| louisdk | Does anyone know if stopping the alien-dalvik service will help you save battery life? | 08:51 |
| Mikaela | I think Sailfish Utilities says that it does | 08:51 |
| louisdk | What about runnig ssh. Does that consume extra battery life? | 08:52 |
| Mikaela | Ponchale: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ ? | 08:52 |
| Mikaela | I have no idea about that, but sshd is something I would stop | 08:52 |
| Mikaela | *isn't | 08:52 |
| louisdk | Mikaela, i've disabled sshd.service but have enabled sshd.socket which to my knowledge only starts when someone tries to connect to ssh to your device. | 08:55 |
| Mikaela | Isn't that what systemd does by default? | 08:56 |
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| louisdk | Mikaela, i think so yes. I've installed this app: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation which I find quite handy. | 08:59 |
| Mikaela | I see. I have just disabled password login. | 09:00 |
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| louisdk | Mikaela, good idea :) | 09:01 |
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| Ponchale | with few apps store of jolla account? | 09:10 |
| louisdk | Ponchale, fine and you? :) | 09:10 |
| Ponchale | good good louisdk | 09:11 |
| Ponchale | from Colombia we are very interested in Jolla | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://kcamara.com/analog-memory-desk | 09:12 |
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| tbr | nicely done | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i could even imagine that in a more digital form | 09:14 |
| tbr | in digital form it's called a boogie board ;) | 09:15 |
| * tbr is quite happy with his | 09:15 | |
| Stskeeps | how is it anyway, if you got it? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | and does the github stuff work? :P | 09:15 |
| tbr | didn't have time for that yet, but it's even easier: usb mass storage gives you pdf files | 09:15 |
| tbr | bluetooth gets you obex-ftp | 09:15 |
| tbr | I found a bug in obexfs (it caches remote directory) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:16 |
| tbr | so currently my priority is to make the cache expire or make it optional | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | damnit, now i might have to buy one.. | 09:16 |
| tbr | the limitation that you can't get back to what you erased on the board itself is noticeable | 09:17 |
| tbr | _but_ in combination with the android app, which auto downloads all files immediately it doesn't feel that bad | 09:17 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: there is a nice sharp electronic notebook that could work even better. It uses SHARP's memory LCD so has instant response unlike the slow epaper displays which are weird to write on. | 09:19 |
| Teemu | one question about the analog(argh) memory desk: why is there the glass pane? :) | 09:19 |
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| tbr | design and you need a hard surface to write on | 09:19 |
| Teemu | there is the plywood, no? | 09:20 |
| tbr | yeah ever wrote with a ballpoint on a single sheet of thin paper placed on a plywood surface? | 09:20 |
| Teemu | yes? | 09:20 |
| Teemu | it is a writing tool, not a scribe | 09:20 |
| Teemu | besides there are other plywoods than just soft fir or pine | 09:21 |
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| tbr | well, then you can go and leave out the glass pane when you build yours, no? | 09:22 |
| Teemu | indeedio | 09:22 |
| tbr | reminds me, I need to hang the glass pane that I bought two days ago | 09:22 |
| tbr | http://www.ikeahackers.net/2012/01/not-expensive-glass-whiteboard.html | 09:23 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: http://www.sharp.co.jp/enote/products/wgn20_feature.html | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: my wallet hurts | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | looks cool | 09:26 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that one is <100usd | 09:26 |
| tbr | not like the Sony DPT-S1 for >1000 | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.amazon.com/SHARP-sharp-electronic-memo-notebook/dp/B00E6KGOPU , 95usd | 09:27 |
| Teemu | how do the other boogieboards than 9.7 communicate with the world? | 09:27 |
| tbr | they don't | 09:27 |
| tbr | only the Sync has a digitizer built in | 09:27 |
| Teemu | how is the digitizer related to syncing? | 09:28 |
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| tbr | the others are pure cholesteric LCD. | 09:29 |
| Teemu | can they even save the image somewhere? | 09:29 |
| tbr | there is no way to read out the content of such a display | 09:29 |
| Teemu | okay | 09:30 |
| tbr | that's why the one I have has a digitizer built in | 09:30 |
| tbr | so while you see what you draw it also records what you draw. | 09:30 |
| Teemu | but it is too large for tight pockets | 09:30 |
| tbr | yes | 09:30 |
| Teemu | thigh? | 09:30 |
| Teemu | damn english language | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | so are most phablets | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | P | 09:30 |
| tbr | works ok for my coat pockets though | 09:30 |
| Teemu | i want something that works all-year | 09:31 |
| Teemu | i'm not wearing a coat any more | 09:31 |
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| tbr | if you want something small. look at the WG-N20 | 09:31 |
| tbr | 11x15cm should fit many pockets | 09:32 |
| Teemu | thx for providing the measurements in human terms instead of potatoehead inches | 09:33 |
| Teemu | 11x15 sounds nearly ideal, now only to make it have obscenely stiff cover :) | 09:34 |
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| kimmoli | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/907894-REG/panasonic_ub_5335_50_electronic_whiteboard_with.html | 09:35 |
| tbr | it's japanese, they use metric | 09:35 |
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| tbr | oh, there is an updated model it seems WG-S20 | 09:35 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: tried to work with those, they are rather weird | 09:36 |
| kimmoli | yep | 09:36 |
| tbr | the thermal transfer printer feels very last millenium | 09:37 |
| kimmoli | indeed | 09:37 |
| Teemu | why would it need a printer? | 09:37 |
| tbr | for white-borads (sic!) I usually just take a snap with a phone camera, works very well | 09:37 |
| Teemu | all it needs is a scanner/camera/something and comms | 09:38 |
| * kimmoli waits comeback of carbon(less)-copy-papers | 09:38 | |
| Teemu | also: usb is not communications | 09:38 |
| kimmoli | hmm.. could build a "telex".. make electronic typewriter to print every irssi mention out. audible notification included for free | 09:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | electronic? rig up an old school type writer with servos | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | for extra nerd cred | 09:40 |
| Teemu | how about a real teletype? | 09:40 |
| kimmoli | i make solar-mirrors and trigger keys with lazer | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | 3d print something, and use a raspberry pi to run it, and you've won slashdot buzzword bingo | 09:41 |
| Teemu | also arduino! | 09:41 |
| r0kk3rz | pi/arduino | 09:41 |
| Teemu | both | 09:41 |
| Teemu | everyone knows you need both | 09:41 |
| tbr | kimmoli: during 30C3 there was a telex machine printing out text messages you could send to it over the conference GSM network. | 09:41 |
| kimmoli | and thanks to tbr, it needs to be operated in toilet | 09:41 |
| kimmoli | i think one saved telex machine is already discarded... | 09:42 |
| kimmoli | ah, in spain, the hotel restaurant had matrix-printer to print invoice | 09:43 |
| tbr | sure, that stuff isn't dead | 09:43 |
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| tbr | especially line printers are often still matrix, e.g. in alarm systems or for industrial logging | 09:44 |
| Teemu | have you ever seen a printer where the matrix head covers the whole paper width? those beasts can spew log pretty damn fast | 09:47 |
| Teemu | also loud | 09:47 |
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| tbr | same concept as the thermal printers. those are also pretty fast. though the result is by far not as durable. | 09:57 |
| kimmoli | teaching my RF relays their correct codes... this model seems to remember 16 last learned codes | 09:59 |
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| Teemu | nexa? | 10:05 |
| kimmoli | nah | 10:07 |
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| kimmoli | hmm.. relay can learn code of socket-relay-remote (tarjoustalo model). some solder-jumper configured address only 5 bits. need to make scanner | 10:34 |
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| Teemu | i'm gonna love it when those become more common and wardriving extends to them | 10:37 |
| kimmoli | just was wondering do my neighbourghs have such things :) | 10:42 |
| Teemu | just make some traversal program to toggle things anw take a walk on some dark night to see? | 10:43 |
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| juhaj_ | socket-relay-remote? | 10:50 |
| kimmoli | http://www.clasohlson.com/fi/Kaukokytkinsarja-3-kpl-Nexa-PE-3/36-4602?gclid=Cj0KEQjwuI-oBRCEi87g0K3O8OoBEiQAb25WAQcpQ1tv0XlJiqn8WEpjHxP2ORMoBQkfw6AJM64sMaYaAv5v8P8HAQ | 10:55 |
| kimmoli | like that | 10:55 |
| kimmoli | drivern with http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-Small-ASK-RF-Wireless-Transmitter-board-module-433MHZ-10mA-75KHZ-3kbs-/280909343896?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4167806c98 | 10:55 |
| tbr | I know of radio amateurs who have played hi-rise blinken-lights by cycling through all codes, repeatedly | 10:57 |
| kimmoli | i will keep my 70cm amplifier in basement | 10:59 |
| Teemu | muahhah | 11:03 |
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| kimmoli | need to hook oscilloscope in this, traversal not succesfull even after decoding the address by transmitter datasheet | 11:33 |
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| Teemu | http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/home-automation/ this might help? | 11:41 |
| r0kk3rz | Teemu: even better, hack someone phone so the lights follow them | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but they dont know why | 11:42 |
| Teemu | :) | 11:42 |
| Teemu | the phones don't have that suitable transmitter | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe have to plant something on them then | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes i agree, an internetofthings world has a lot of potential for shenannigans | 11:45 |
| Teemu | i'm in it for the world domination | 11:46 |
| Teemu | my devices will have normal internet security with public keys and all the things we've thought of as being normal parts of the landscape for 20+ years | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | sooner or later someone will make a robot army | 11:46 |
| r0kk3rz | the question is who will do it first, and for what purpose | 11:47 |
| Teemu | rlogining all around the place was already getting old in early 1980s when the cuckoo's egg happened | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | cuckoos egg is a good book | 11:47 |
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| Teemu | is | 11:47 |
| Teemu | educational too | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | that it seems nobody paid attention to | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | because its still relevant, even though technology has completely changed | 11:47 |
| Teemu | indeed the military based were trying to ignore him | 11:47 |
| Teemu | the social parts are relevant as ever | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 11:48 |
| Teemu | "look, you've got an evil hacker in your systems, i got logs and all to prove, just let me fax them and you'll see" "no problem here sir we're a top secret military base" | 11:49 |
| Teemu | he was on ted some time ago and had trouble keeping himself contained | 11:51 |
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| kimmoli | ah, the bitrate is different | 11:58 |
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| kimmoli | aaand it works | 12:01 |
| Teemu | jessh | 12:02 |
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| Nicd- | no | 16:33 |
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| ortylp | chem|st: I lost another whole day on fighting for sdcard access under android, I hope it will work now... that is really TOO MUCH. How can we force Jolla to make a viable solution to this problem???! | 19:28 |
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| phlixi | ortylp: i am pretty sure you can not force them | 19:29 |
| phlixi | however, there is an app for that... | 19:30 |
| ortylp | phlixi: in Jolla store and by Jolla ? | 19:30 |
| phlixi | of course not | 19:30 |
| phlixi | https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/mount-sd-card-android-u11-only | 19:30 |
| ortylp | phlixi: you see the problem? | 19:30 |
| phlixi | i no what you mean, but can not see a problem | 19:31 |
| phlixi | there are far more important things to do then some android / sd stuff | 19:31 |
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| phlixi | for example implementing a clipboard :D | 19:31 |
| ortylp | phlixi: this is a relatively trivial problem as soon as you understand what are the dependencies in the system. Jolla employees HAVE this knowledge, it would take them limited number of hours to make it work flawlessly. | 19:32 |
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| ortylp | phlixi: OK, I have two: port OSMAND to native Jolla app and port Aarddict to native jolla app... then I would not need sdcard for Android | 19:33 |
| phlixi | well, i guess it would be a trivial thing for jolla to fix that the browser does not open links from other apps in new tabs, and still they dont do anything about that since nearly a year... | 19:34 |
| phlixi | in short: there are 2342342 things where i can not imagine it is more than a day to implement/fix | 19:34 |
| phlixi | but there are really a lot of such things | 19:34 |
| phlixi | and at work i know for my problems, that others (who are NOT into the stuff as i am) tell me all the time "can not be THAT hard", just put 3 hours on it... etc... they all do not have insights in the problems that a re connected | 19:35 |
| ortylp | phlixi: they are going to introduce more separation for android, it is fine with me, but why break working configurations... | 19:35 |
| phlixi | ortylp: i would call that a hack, not a config :D | 19:35 |
| ortylp | phlixi: call it how you want, if putting a symlink in home directory is a hack, then I everything is a hack | 19:36 |
| phlixi | maybe not a hack, maybe a patch, but certainly not a configuration (as it is not intended to be configured => it is not a configuration) it is a configuration to turn off wifi :) | 19:37 |
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| ortylp | phlixi: well... I lost more than one whole day to get it back working, I hope I do not have to waste another week when push another "Weather App" update... | 19:38 |
| phlixi | can somebody explain to me, why everybody seems to use weather apps/widgets and what not? | 19:40 |
| phlixi | i know all of them have windows... whats the point? | 19:40 |
| phlixi | I do not mean the guys who use a special wheather app to forecast stuff they need for sailing or the like, but why is it that huge? | 19:41 |
| ortylp | phlixi: I want to know If I have to get up 10 minutes earlier to scrub ice from windshield or not :D | 19:41 |
| phlixi | and for that you need a weather widget? does it has an alarm clock? | 19:43 |
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| ortylp | phlixi: my weather forecast consists of a single file, that is daily downloaded by a script on my server from http://www.meteo.pl/ (the best static forecast visualization I know), but works only for central Europe | 19:44 |
| ortylp | phlixi: weather widget gives me practically nothing | 19:45 |
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| coderus | Do not use https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/mount-sd-card-android-u11-only with btrfs formatted sd card! Do not remove this application if you already installed it! Do not uninstall this application if you removed your sdcard! When you remove application all your android storage and all data from sdcard will be removed! | 20:08 |
| * coderus sigh... | 20:08 | |
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| TheParanoid | hey guys. sup? | 20:09 |
| TheParanoid | pavi: bought the combo pack. hope i wont regret it | 20:10 |
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| ahjolinna | coderus: is it only a btrfs problem? (that sdcard mount thing) or does it also affect ext4 etc. | 20:35 |
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| coderus | ahjolinna: basically it affect everybody who have no /dev/mmcblk1p1 entry | 20:37 |
| Teemu | coderus: what's that in plain english? | 20:37 |
| coderus | Teemu: ? | 20:38 |
| Teemu | multimediacard block device 1 partition 1 but yes who are those who don't have that entry in i guess systemd/devd/somed config files? | 20:38 |
| coderus | Teemu: btrfs, some manual partitioning of ext3/4 | 20:39 |
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| Teemu | another btr killed some infantrymen during peacetime in finnish armed forces and now this one is creating havoc among civilians | 20:41 |
| coderus | okay | 20:42 |
| ahjolinna | coderus: so what should we do who already installed that "android sdcard mount" thing? nothing for now, just wait for a fix? | 20:44 |
| Teemu | i'm not very fond of taking beta software into active use but this has been a relatively common pattern in the more bleeding-edge-tolerant linux communities | 20:44 |
| Teemu | ahjolinna: as far as i've understood the problem area, the buggy btrfs code is in an unfixable-by-jolla binary blob | 20:45 |
| Teemu | and it was known to be of beta quality when the decicion to put it into use was made | 20:45 |
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| ahjolinna | well I really don't care nor worried, I'm just curious | 20:47 |
| Teemu | i'm completely okay with not using btrfs, i've understood that mainly affects the dalvik not being able to use that sdcard | 20:48 |
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| ahjolinna | I really wonder what kernel version will Jolla use on the Tablet, I hope it will be the latest LTS version so we will have at least better BTRFS support | 20:51 |
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| Teemu | i have this vain and useless hope that some day people will just take benefit from bsd/mit licenced projects in their gpl projects instead of yelling NIH NIH NIH NIH and starting to reinvent wheels | 20:53 |
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| ahjolinna | well if Jolla is going to use intel/x86 instead of any ARM based solution, maybe (I hope) that will make things better | 20:58 |
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| Teemu | it'll still be a new and not war hardened filesystem | 21:01 |
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| juhaj_ | Wait, btrfs bug in a binary blob? | 21:17 |
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| coderus | ahjolinna: check if you have /dev/mmcblk1p1 device | 21:49 |
| ahjolinna | yeah I have | 21:50 |
| coderus | ahjolinna: it's okay then | 21:50 |
| coderus | ahjolinna: you can continue using it | 21:50 |
| ahjolinna | okay good | 21:50 |
| ahjolinna | thanks | 21:50 |
| coderus | if you have no /dev/mmcblk1p1 you in a problem :) | 21:51 |
| ahjolinna | coderus: is /dev/mmcblk0p1 okay also? | 22:03 |
| ahjolinna | or just mmcblk1p1? | 22:04 |
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| coderus | ahjolinna: just mmcblk1, its sdcard | 22:17 |
| coderus | mmcblk0 is internal memory | 22:17 |
| ahjolinna | AlmAck: ^ | 22:19 |
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| AlmAck | yes I have mmcblk1, and I use a systemd script to mount it to /data/media | 22:26 |
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| toerb | is anyone able to visit http://talk.maemo.org/ ? | 22:28 |
| toerb | i get a 403 forbidden | 22:28 |
| Sail0r | working without problem | 22:31 |
| toerb | wow seems like they dont want users with a root server IP | 22:31 |
| Sail0r | true | 22:32 |
| Sail0r | my rootserver also gets a 403 forbidden via curl | 22:32 |
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| phlixi | i logged into a server and http://talk.maemo.org/ is reachable without problems from there | 22:46 |
| Sail0r | maybe it depends on user agent | 22:47 |
| Sail0r | or known hosters | 22:47 |
| phlixi | useragent when i tried probably was Mozilla/5.0 (compatible& MSIE 9.0& Windows NT 6.1& WOW64& Trident/5.0) | 22:49 |
| toerb | i tried with same browser once from server ip (not working) and once from german isp (working) | 22:50 |
| Sail0r | for me from hetzner it's not working | 22:51 |
| phlixi | what would i use to test from a linux console? | 22:52 |
| phlixi | wget http://talk.maemo.org/ | 22:52 |
| phlixi | ? | 22:52 |
| Sail0r | curl talk.maemo.org | 22:52 |
| phlixi | strato server gets regular html, no 403 | 22:53 |
| phlixi | domain factory server the same | 22:55 |
| phlixi | and works on another host europe machine | 22:56 |
| phlixi | maybe they dont like you and blocked your server? :D | 22:56 |
| phlixi | i dont know if we have server at hetzner | 22:57 |
| Sail0r | never tried it before from this server ^^ | 22:58 |
| toerb | then they blocked his and mine server^^ | 22:58 |
| Sail0r | it does not even work with different user agent ^ | 22:59 |
| toerb | (also hetzner) | 22:59 |
| Sail0r | or the whole hetzner ip range | 22:59 |
| toerb | this is what i think | 22:59 |
| phlixi | maybe you should ask in #maemo? | 22:59 |
| Sail0r | none of my 9 hetzner servers work | 22:59 |
| phlixi | but in the end, this does not make sense to me | 23:00 |
| phlixi | why would you get 403 | 23:00 |
| Sail0r | deny from <list of ips here> | 23:00 |
| phlixi | would you implement such bans within .htaccess? | 23:00 |
| Sail0r | you get a 403 forbidden | 23:00 |
| toerb | i would blacklist with iptables for such things | 23:01 |
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| phlixi | yep, | 23:02 |
| Sail0r | I would redirect to some landing page | 23:02 |
| Sail0r | to say "hey you are connecting from a blocked ip range" | 23:03 |
| phlixi | that was my pooint, but then you wouldnt get 403s | 23:03 |
| Sail0r | could help to debug much | 23:03 |
| toerb | http://maemo.org/ is no problem here from hetzner | 23:03 |
| toerb | its only talk.maemo.org | 23:04 |
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| Sail0r | just ask them why | 23:04 |
| Sail0r | maybe it's not even intended ^^ | 23:04 |
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| toerb | i asked in #maemo | 23:05 |
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