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| Ponchale | hi people, What' s up | 06:47 |
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| chem|st | I keep wondering how many people on tjc have OCD or is this now like every kid has ADHD? | 09:42 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | chem|st, isnt ADhd the condition invented to sell riddlin? Much like IBS ? | 09:46 |
| jaacoppi | Information society changes human behaviour and the impulses our brains receive. ADHD was useful in pre-modern hunter-gatherer societies. Not so useful in industrial or our current multitasking society | 09:55 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | jaacoppi, are you a bot | 09:55 |
| jaacoppi | Yes. See my source code at http://spod.cx/pcc | 09:55 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | !stskeeps whois jaacoppi | 09:55 |
| merbot | MooCowFarkMilk: Error: "stskeeps" is not a valid command. | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | jaacoppi: internal server error | 09:56 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | Nicd-, thats probably the source he meant | 09:56 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: what are you referring to? | 09:57 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: people who want to see EVERYTHING ALWAYS... Jolla better come up with a live wallpaper scrolling journal in the BG... | 09:59 |
| the_mgt | port this fugly thing from linux desktops, that runs transparent and vomits numbers | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i demand matrix live wallpaper | 10:01 |
| the_mgt | I always actively suppress the name, so I can't remember it | 10:02 |
| Yaniel | conky? | 10:02 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | does conky run on jolla? | 10:03 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | conky's awesome | 10:03 |
| Yaniel | no, it is an X11 app | 10:03 |
| Yaniel | sailfish uses wayland | 10:03 |
| the_mgt | yes, conky | 10:03 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | well wasnt there a wrapper or something for x11 to wayland transisiton | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | xwayland but you have to compile it yourself I think | 10:04 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | Yaniel, "You can run conky with no gui, from a console. | 10:05 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | So it isn't fully reliant on X. " | 10:05 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2253723 | 10:05 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that is actually something that should at least ship with a black/green TOH | 10:06 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: there was no tjc about it... or is the search broken? | 10:12 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/86526 | 10:12 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | so does jolla contribute back to the mer project | 10:24 |
| Nicd- | yes, to nemo mobile (which mer is being merged into) | 10:25 |
| flux | the question in my mind is rather: are there other developers than Jolla doing Mer/Nemo Mobile?-o | 10:26 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | flux, do you play mmorpgs | 10:27 |
| flux | no. | 10:28 |
| flux | well, I've had BatMud account maybe 15+ years ago. | 10:28 |
| Teme | anybody else annoyed by the clock application failing to give any indication that a timer/alarm rang if you were on call while it should have rang? | 10:29 |
| Teme | even after ending the call it doesn't tell you that a timer hit | 10:29 |
| Teme | (and now i'm drinking bitter tea) | 10:29 |
| the_mgt | Teme: the whole clock/timer stuff seems to run its own notification void | 10:30 |
| the_mgt | my pebble does ot fetch a single alarm from clocks/countdowns/timers | 10:31 |
| the_mgt | that is really rather bizare | 10:31 |
| Teme | hmm | 10:31 |
| Teme | maybe i should put this on TJC, since other than that the app is just amazing | 10:31 |
| flux | the_mgt, that would be a fine feature for pebbled, yes | 10:31 |
| Teme | so streamlined, yet powerful | 10:31 |
| flux | but I wonder how easy it is to interact with the clock app | 10:32 |
| the_mgt | I already reported that as an issue on the pebble github page | 10:32 |
| the_mgt | and it is reported on tjc, too, iirc | 10:32 |
| the_mgt | flux: I do not want to set a jolla alarm from my pebble, I just want to receive a notification when jolla clock app trigers an alarm | 10:33 |
| the_mgt | afaik, the pebble has its own alarm timer | 10:33 |
| FIQ | am I missing something, or is there no way to get a sane timestamp in the call log? | 10:33 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | is mir compatible with wayland | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | no | 10:48 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | so in the near future we'll have mir wayland and X | 10:52 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | lol | 10:52 |
| Nicd- | unfortunately yes | 10:52 |
| Nicd- | thank canonical for that | 10:52 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | what made them decide to dev their own display server | 10:54 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | "Other parts of the infrastructure used by Mir originate from Android. " | 10:55 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | XD | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | NIH syndrome is my guess | 10:55 |
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| zutto | X does need some rework | 10:56 |
| zutto | it has quite silly memory leaks that are not fun if you dont have habit of shutting down your X occasionally | 10:56 |
| cityLights | is there a qr reader for jolla? | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | they did have some problems with how wayland did stuff ages ago, but they didn't want to contribute but instead duplicate efforts to make their own thing (and their problems with wayland have since been fixed but they're too long down the road to turn around) | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | that's my understanding | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | cityLights: CodeReader in the store | 10:56 |
| cityLights | thanks | 10:57 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | NIH? | 10:57 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | not in house? | 10:57 |
| Nicd- | not invented here | 10:58 |
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| * VDVsx waits for ubuntu fork of linux kernel, since they already have own display server, own init even own cvs that seems no one else use :P | 10:59 | |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | ubuntu fork of linux kernel? itd better have been written in Golang | 11:01 |
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| Tegu | rust | 11:02 |
| zutto | Nicd-: but that would mean detaching from debian :P | 11:02 |
| zutto | and that would mean more werk | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | zutto: are you talking to VDVsx? | 11:02 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | what made millions of people adapt ubuntu in the first place | 11:02 |
| zutto | yeah | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | MooCowFarkMilk: ease of use | 11:02 |
| zutto | but ubuntu is not easier to use than other distros :l | 11:03 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: it was back then | 11:03 |
| zutto | it has never been | 11:03 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | Nicd-, i thought it was also low system requirements | 11:03 |
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| Tegu | augh, well, other distros can also have low system requirements? and nowadays I guess that is more of the case? | 11:04 |
| zutto | either way, its quite common for distros to have their own fork of lunix kernel | 11:04 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | so mir is GPLv3 | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | pretty much two things. it's easy and it just works, or at least works more likely than other distros | 11:04 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | interesting | 11:04 |
| joonahoi | they also have a good balance of recent enough vs. stable packages in the repository | 11:04 |
| zutto | they make their own patches that they apply to every version | 11:04 |
| joonahoi | for a common man | 11:04 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | so the licensing of Mir is GPLv3 while X & wayland is MIT | 11:05 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | maybe they just wanna be RMS friendly? | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | they're not *that* stupid | 11:06 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | well how do you explain GPL3? | 11:06 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | "but contributors are required to sign an agreement that "grants Canonical the right to relicense your contribution under their choice of license" | 11:07 |
| jaacoppi | Canonical has huge financial resources, that's what made ubuntu popular in the first place | 11:07 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | lol | 11:07 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | can they do that | 11:07 |
| tbr | it puts them in control of things. whoever wants to can use it under GPLv3, but if you want to do something commercial and GPLv3 would not fit your bill you can go and pay canonical to license it otherwise. | 11:08 |
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| tbr | I'd be interested to hear if the builds on the commercial phones are really labelled gplv3 | 11:09 |
| zutto | jaacoppi: so does many other distros | 11:09 |
| zutto | its not about the money | 11:09 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | tbr, for what i hear on the BQ E4.5 at least "all bits canonical developed on its own are GPLv3 in that" | 11:15 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | so if someone fixed a bug in mir and submitted it; they could license it under a proprietary license? | 11:16 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | basically if you sign an NDA that gives them that freedom does that overwrite GPL? | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | it's not an NDA though | 11:20 |
| Nicd- | but yes, you give them the right to relicense that code | 11:21 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | so would it be possible to fork it and maintain a GPL only version | 11:22 |
| Nicd- | of course | 11:22 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/ubuntu-phone-review-bq-aquaris-e45.html | 11:36 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | how can a quad-core 1.3 g a7 be considered "average at best"? | 11:36 |
| MooCowFarkMilk | feels like we're going back to the early 2000s MHz wars | 11:39 |
| ShawnMcCool | i want more battery life and better features for my jolla phone | 11:41 |
| ShawnMcCool | i don't want more speed | 11:41 |
| ShawnMcCool | the os handles 'hangups' like loading applications just fine | 11:41 |
| ShawnMcCool | i want a swipe keyboard, i want the keyboard to work better in android apps | 11:42 |
| ShawnMcCool | those features alone would make a world of difference | 11:42 |
| Tegu | batterytoh | 11:42 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | does K9 mail work on jolla | 11:48 |
| falfa | good question | 11:51 |
| falfa | k9 is nice | 11:51 |
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| ShadowJK | MooCowFarkMilk; A7 is the current arm low end in IPC in the context of phones and tablets | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/hacknplay-20150313/ | 12:27 |
| jaacoppi | what exactly is this Ubuntu "scope"? Instead of applications that deal with input & output they have "scopes" that deal with input & output? | 12:32 |
| VDVsx | jaacoppi, kinda of webapps or views that fetch content from a web api | 12:34 |
| VDVsx | content aggregates, one page shows stuff from mutiple sources (as I understand the idea) | 12:34 |
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| MooCowFarkMilk | Stskeeps, dilute i say! | 12:52 |
| * Stskeeps stares? | 12:53 | |
| * MooCowFarkMilk shrugs | 12:53 | |
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| popey | Note: Not banned, kicked. | 12:59 |
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| kjetilho | IllusionL0v3R, MooCowFarkMilk, uuhimhere, LameOiSherEOh: can you please stop changing your nick around all the time? | 13:02 |
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| * Mirv notes his irssi world was saved by ignoring joins, parts, nicks and quits | 13:14 | |
| Mirv | idling has never been more peaceful | 13:14 |
| LameOiSherEOh | kjetilho, Mirv | 13:15 |
| Teme | yeah.. it's bliss <3 | 13:15 |
| LameOiSherEOh | kjetilho, Teme | 13:15 |
| Teme | ? | 13:16 |
| kjetilho | Mirv: that's fine, but it's confusing when the same person appears as wildly different nicks from one day to the next | 13:16 |
| Teme | why is mr. chameleon calling my name :P | 13:17 |
| kjetilho | (that list of nicks were some of the one's he/she has been using the last three days) | 13:17 |
| Mirv | kjetilho: sure, maybe ignore rule for ignoring constant nick changers would be useful too :) | 13:17 |
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| kjetilho | anyhow. no aggression intended, just a plea :-) we're all Jolla users in here! | 13:18 |
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| LameOiSherEOh | kjetilho, how does my nick swapping affect you oranyone? if it does /ignore or /kick | 13:21 |
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| LameOiSherEOh | kjetilho, its like smoking in public ; put up a sign that prohibits it or find another bench | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's bad irc manners, so quit it. | 13:22 |
| kjetilho | LameOiSherEOh: it's harder to relate to you as a person and continue the discussion from one day to the next when you put on a new disguise and appear as a different person every day | 13:22 |
| LameOiSherEOh | if the bot is telling me to do so i guess thats proof in the pudding | 13:22 |
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| LameOiSherEOh | sorry | 13:23 |
| kjetilho | welcome back :) | 13:23 |
| kjetilho | as I said, it was just a request. you are free to do as you like. | 13:24 |
| LameOiSherEOh | kjetilho, there is no disguise i always revolve around the same nick and i dont really want anybody relating to me other than what i have to say | 13:24 |
| LameOiSherEOh | message not the messanger | 13:24 |
| LameOiSherEOh | thats all i wanted to say | 13:24 |
| LameOiSherEOh | kthnxbai | 13:24 |
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| Nicd- | oh well | 13:25 |
| Teemu | i didn't quite catch what was the same nick | 13:26 |
| Teemu | to me it was just different nicks | 13:26 |
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| anandrkris | Hi folks - One query on Mail app - when i forward an email with attachment it asks me if I want to download the file | 14:07 |
| anandrkris | i suppose even if i discard the message attachment would still be sent? | 14:07 |
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| VDVsx | anandrkris, only the ones already on device | 14:20 |
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| anandrkris | Sorry, not clear...You mean the file need to be there on the device to be forwarded? | 14:22 |
| anandrkris | Sent items creates a duplicate as well :( | 14:23 |
| VDVsx | anandrkris, yes, if attachment of the FWD email is not downloaded yet from the server, it won't be included, that's why it offers that option | 14:24 |
| anandrkris | Oh! ok. Apologies, am a n00b here, is it how all mail clients work? | 14:26 |
| VDVsx | anandrkris, depends there's a IMAP extension called Smart Forward, if the server supports that(not many do), it will do all the work in server side, no need to download anything | 14:26 |
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| VDVsx | but that is not supported yet by email app, MW supports it | 14:27 |
| anandrkris | okies..thanks for the details | 14:27 |
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| anandrkris | May i request you to consider giving configuration option for not downloading attachments for sent items? | 14:28 |
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| anandrkris | Am on a job hunting spree - Now am having having multiple copies of my resume! :) | 14:30 |
| kjetilho | VDVsx: are you refering to BURL or something proprietary? | 14:32 |
| VDVsx | kjetilho, for imap BURL, but Exchange also has similar | 14:33 |
| VDVsx | anandrkris, that's a bug :) | 14:33 |
| anandrkris | ha ha...found TJC link https://together.jolla.com/question/52583/bug-email-attachment-from-sent-emails-are-automatically-downloaded/ | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | anandrkris, yes that one | 14:35 |
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| anandrkris | while deleting those duplicate documents hit another bug - https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-office/issues/10 | 14:38 |
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| till- | is there a way to install different ssh ciphers on sailfish? just now I got a "no matching cipher found" message while trying to connect via ssh | 15:59 |
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| till- | nevermind, was a client mistake | 16:01 |
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| coderus | i need option in Jolla Store "Translate this comment" :D | 17:45 |
| coderus | i don't understand comments in Finland language :D | 17:45 |
| r0kk3rz | tjc translator is sometimes needed too | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: assume they all talk about how great it is | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| r0kk3rz | its written in english, well what looks something like english | 17:45 |
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| Hartzi | coderus: finnish* | 17:52 |
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| coderus | I can't even copy it and paste to any translator :( | 17:57 |
| VDVsx | coderus, even if that feature was there would suck for Finnish, like any translator out there :D | 18:01 |
| Hartzi | It's interesting that why some people doesn't write in english when they post comments on store | 18:02 |
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| Hartzi | coderus: there's only one non-english comment in battery overlay app comments and that's swedish | 18:08 |
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| HtheB | guys | 19:11 |
| HtheB | does opening a txt file work within jolla? because I can't get it to open | 19:11 |
| HtheB | with the documents app | 19:11 |
| Mikaela | I used some pad app from store and it worked as long as the filename had .txt in the end | 19:12 |
| Mikaela | TinyEdit, just checked | 19:12 |
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| HtheB | Mikaela: yeah i just saw it in google, but does that forward the .txt files when you open it from attachments (email)? | 19:14 |
| Mikaela | no idea, I have just opened text files manually | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | txt file, nano from terminal | 19:14 |
| HtheB | xdg-mime default tinyedit.desktop "text/plain" | 19:15 |
| HtheB | that should do the job right? | 19:15 |
| Mikaela | what I have used it for is to copy long password to txt file using ssh and then copy-pasting the txt file to password box | 19:15 |
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| HtheB | r0kk3rz: I need it for end users ;) | 19:20 |
| HtheB | not for myself | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | end users | 19:20 |
| Teemu | s/nano/vi/ | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | so nano from terminal | 19:20 |
| Teemu | s/nano/vi/ | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | or vi if you prefer | 19:20 |
| Teemu | yes | 19:20 |
| Teemu | :) | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | or whatever really | 19:20 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: i meant n00bs :) | 19:20 |
| Teemu | end users and jolla phone doesn't sound like a good mix | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | its a frickin text file | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, there should probably be a GUI method of opening a text file | 19:21 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: yes, and that should be plainly supported out of the box without terminal! | 19:21 |
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| Tegu | vi is fine enough with fingerterm | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure you could write one in QML in an afternoon | 19:22 |
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| * Mikaela still hasn't learned to like fingerterm and she is just using ssh | 19:22 | |
| Tegu | there is a simple text editor in the store | 19:22 |
| HtheB | no one gets it.. right? | 19:24 |
| HtheB | It's a simple txt file, why would anyone need to download and install shit in the first place? | 19:24 |
| HtheB | :/ | 19:24 |
| HtheB | why need terminal for something that simple? | 19:24 |
| HtheB | I dont see why people always think on their own level | 19:24 |
| Tegu | HtheB: you're talking about a platform that doesn't have acalendar out of box | 19:24 |
| HtheB | not everybody has ever worked with terminals | 19:25 |
| HtheB | Tegu: what do you mean? | 19:25 |
| HtheB | you mean that you have to download it at the first time? no problem | 19:26 |
| Tegu | HtheB: yup, that's what i meant | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe thats a project for you HtheB, add in txt file support to jolla-documents | 19:26 |
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| HtheB | but when you download 'documents', the simplest txt file should be supported imo | 19:26 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: :D | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | the problem is | 19:27 |
| HtheB | dont tell me license?.... | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | that jolla-documents works by tracker | 19:27 |
| HtheB | oh | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | and if you show all text files as indexed by tracker | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | thats going to be a lot | 19:27 |
| Tegu | and document doesn't have editing | 19:28 |
| HtheB | not if you only take /home/nemo/Documents/* | 19:28 |
| HtheB | Tegu: im not worrying about editing | 19:28 |
| HtheB | editing is a step forward | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | for editing you can use terminal :P | 19:28 |
| HtheB | just simple viewing a txt file in "documents' is already a good step forward :p | 19:28 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: rofl | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | but considering you need to enable developer mode to get terminal | 19:29 |
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| pdanek | When do you think is the closest possible event / date where Jolla could announce Jolla 2? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | not tomorrow. | 20:55 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: today? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | definately not today. | 20:57 |
| HtheB | yesterday?... | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | didn't happen | 20:57 |
| HtheB | kill me | 20:57 |
| ortylp | 1st April? | 20:57 |
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| ortylp | nobody would believe anyway :D | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | I'll guess SIGGRAPH | 20:58 |
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| Yaniel | not like they'd make an appearance there | 20:59 |
| lazy_bum | Jolla 2? I just got the first one. ;) | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | yeah but you are a lazy bum and we all know it | 21:02 |
| Yaniel | ;) | 21:02 |
| svuorela | pdanek: qt contributor summit is likely a place for such announcements | 21:03 |
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| ortylp | is anybody attending CLT next week? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | CLT? | 21:13 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: Chemnitzer Linux Tage | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmm no | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:14 |
| Aard | jolla2 will take a while, we need to finish the transition from QML to EFL | 21:15 |
| r0kk3rz | EFL is the future | 21:15 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: why? it is only 6 hour drive, and on weekend :P | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: twitch | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: did you read http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795 ? | 21:16 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: yes. the sad thing is, most of the stuff in there I already knew | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: im still reading it | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | it just keeps on going | 21:16 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: additionally, it seems the ui-library I designed as a 12 year old on object oriented pascal is saner than EFL :p | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | "http://what.thedailywtf.com is now being blocked on the corporate firewall at Samsung." | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | it seems like a lesson why you dont write a ui-library in c | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | this sounds a bit like their it's your folt moment | 21:19 |
| ortylp | well... you can argue, that you can compile C++ to C (as it was done in the first years of C++)... so writing anything in C is possible :D | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | possible, sure | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | madness, definitely | 21:21 |
| ortylp | form time to time I have to maintain 20+ year old C software written originally for DSP... with variable names as "reg0", "reg1", "reg2",... | 21:22 |
| Aard | ortylp: why would they waste that much memory for long variable names? | 21:24 |
| sharpneli | Because variable names don't consume any memory? :D | 21:25 |
| ortylp | at the beginning I was wondering if the original was in C or they converted assembly to C and done some refactoring.... | 21:25 |
| Aard | sharpneli: well, there are some basic manuals out there from early days advising you to a) keep variable names as short as possible b) reuse already existing variables whenever possible instead of declaring new ones. it's a nice habit sad to see dead, even if there might not be much use anymore | 21:26 |
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| ortylp | it was probably in times, where "autocompletion" was an advanced feature in text editor... | 21:28 |
| sharpneli | Aard: That must be something truly ancient. Variable names themselves are not on the binary itself n general. | 21:28 |
| Aard | sharpneli: "basic" | 21:28 |
| sharpneli | Ah | 21:28 |
| Aard | and yes, ancient variants | 21:28 |
| sharpneli | Yeah well basic is an interpreted language basically | 21:28 |
| Aard | on computers with just a few k of memory | 21:29 |
| ortylp | yep, it was the case for basic... | 21:29 |
| ortylp | on C64 | 21:29 |
| sharpneli | In C the only things that are visible are the function names for dynamic linking. | 21:29 |
| sharpneli | And for pure static linking you don't have even those. | 21:29 |
| Aard | but why give up nice traditions? | 21:29 |
| sharpneli | Why not import a crappy tradition from a crappy language to something else? | 21:30 |
| sharpneli | Why not prefix every C line with line number symbol for goto usage ;) | 21:30 |
| sharpneli | That reminded me. Few days ago I saw a function name in a binary that was over 300 characters :D | 21:31 |
| sharpneli | Thanks to C++ and retarded templating | 21:31 |
| ortylp | sometimes I see C code written by our (older) colleague, that proves, he was thinking in assembly language at that time... | 21:31 |
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