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| coderus | Patch: disable windows shuffle. Many peoples asked, so here is simple patch for you :) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-windows-shuffling | 04:40 |
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| Nicd- | http://www.digia.com/ hehehe | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | hah | 07:41 |
| tbr | "oops" | 07:41 |
| coderus | oops +1 | 07:43 |
| AjNieminen | ouch :D | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: random question, know of any sanely priced 9dof trackers with battery and bluetooth (LE)? like magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope kind of mix | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | i've found like 250+ eur ones so far :) | 07:44 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: not specifically, no | 07:45 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders a jolla and a bit of ducttape.. | 07:46 | |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'd probably look at a module with UART or such and then hook it up to a HM-10 or such | 07:46 |
| tbr | would put you in the 50€ "BOM" cost | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | no | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | d | 07:47 |
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| baum | does the jolla support usb OTG? | 07:52 |
| Nicd- | no | 07:52 |
| Nicd- | the tablet has OTG, the phone doesn't | 07:52 |
| baum | too bad, thanks Nicd- | 07:53 |
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| tbr | baum: the longer story is on TJC, basically "in theory, but in practice nobody managed to beat the kernel into submission" | 07:56 |
| baum | tbr: challange accepted =P | 07:56 |
| baum | thanks for the info | 07:56 |
| tbr | baum: we tried with phdeswer for two days. It's about ripping the OTG state machine apart. You have to as ID is not connected and no charge pump present/connected. | 07:57 |
| phdeswer | baum: have fun. We only got it to switch and have the whole USB controller die on us, requiring a reboot to make it work again | 07:58 |
| baum | uhm, alright, sounds tricky | 08:00 |
| tbr | yes | 08:00 |
| tbr | and you get the awesomeness of Qualcomm: no docs, whatsoever | 08:01 |
| phdeswer | +1 | 08:02 |
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| * baum wishes the phone would actually be foss....(same for it's hardware) | 08:03 | |
| phdeswer | baum: well hw manufacturers make it incredibly hard to be so :( | 08:05 |
| baum | phdeswer: well jolla could atleast set an example and make their own code OS...atleast it would be something | 08:06 |
| phdeswer | baum: apart from some third party stuff (we cannot release or don't have source for), some hw drivers we don't have source for and some half-open UI bits most of it is OS | 08:07 |
| tbr | baum: that you can have from nemomobile :) | 08:07 |
| tbr | funny enough people believed that intel entering mobile would make drivers more open. The opposite is happening, intel closes their drivers while entering mobile. | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: probably the wrong division inside intel that 'won' | 08:08 |
| tbr | consolation prize: open drivers exist, but are unsupported | 08:08 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: something like that | 08:09 |
| ikarus | tbr: are we having to do this AGAIN, I remember with the N900, why can't we just have OTG support (because it's hard, I know and the USB consortiuum is picky) | 08:09 |
| tbr | ikarus: with the n900 it was fucked up badly | 08:09 |
| phdeswer | Or some lawyers that came knocking and said: Hey it works like that for all other players in mobile, we should make the same "mistakes"! | 08:09 |
| ikarus | Stskeeps: I have a 9dof tracker and a serial bluetooth module, for under 30 euro combined ? :) | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | ikarus: hmm :) | 08:09 |
| ikarus | tbr: I know, I was one of the people reverse engineering | 08:09 |
| tbr | ikarus: with the n9/n950 it was fairly easy, but nobody could be arsed to do it | 08:10 |
| tbr | ikarus: with the jolla it's again the same | 08:10 |
| ikarus | *sigh*, I hope the OTG on the tablet atleast works right | 08:10 |
| ikarus | I have less of a need of it on a phone | 08:10 |
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| baum | quick question, what's the current android version again? | 08:18 |
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| tbr | 5.0.x should be current AOSP | 08:21 |
| tbr | jolla phone is based around 4.1 IIRc | 08:22 |
| baum | alright thanks | 08:24 |
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| cityoflights2 | hi all | 08:41 |
| cityoflights2 | is there a way to see my email messages from the ssh shell? | 08:41 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:43 |
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| uuhimhere | i like how some people get paid to basically write articles with little to no content : http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing-components/processors/can-mips-and-arm-actually-compete-in-the-server-market--1287673 | 08:58 |
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| cityoflights2 | maybe its a robot that wrote it | 09:00 |
| chriadam | cityoflights2: /home/nemo/.qmf contains that data, I believe. | 09:00 |
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| uuhimhere | should have called the article Derp!...? | 09:01 |
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| trigpoint | sakustar: Not much edge in the UK, I think O2 did some for the early iPhones but really by then 3G was pretty common. Mostly leaving wifi on works, battery life really isn't an issue on the jolla and I would forget to switch it back on. The other pubs and friends houses the phone just connects to wifi. Its just this one with a nag screen that is a pain and I want to set it to manual, really should be able to disable when I am not th | 10:04 |
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| Nicd- | your message was cut | 10:04 |
| Hannabash | hi. | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | at "disable when I am not th" | 10:04 |
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| trigpoint | I want to set it to manual, really should be able to disable when I am not there | 10:08 |
| Nicd- | doesn't forgetting it work? | 10:11 |
| flux | can't you just uncheck the particular Wlan in the 'saved networks' list? | 10:12 |
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| flux | and then check it when you want to use it | 10:13 |
| trigpoint | flux: I wish, that option only works if I am connected | 10:13 |
| trigpoint | Seems like a bug in the firmware | 10:14 |
| flux | how it works/not works? | 10:14 |
| flux | I currently have wifi enabled | 10:14 |
| flux | I just uncheck the company wifi there and no longer I'm in any wifi | 10:14 |
| trigpoint | Is the company wifi available atm? | 10:15 |
| flux | yes. so ok, now I see what you mean, you cannot disable it if it's not available. | 10:16 |
| flux | yes, seems like a bug to me | 10:16 |
| flux | together.jolla.com we go?-) | 10:16 |
| trigpoint | Sounds like a plan | 10:17 |
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| trigpoint | Added as a bug https://together.jolla.com/question/85916/only-able-to-edit-wifi-networks-when-they-are-available/ | 10:22 |
| Joonaa | thats bizarre | 10:26 |
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| Aard | that's a connman restriction, connman developers don't believe in providing an api to edit networks which are currently not available | 10:35 |
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| flux | is it somehow fundamental to connman or just a feature that isn't there? | 10:37 |
| flux | maybe jolla can switch to NetworkManager?-) | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | if this happened in some tv show or the like it would be hilarious | 10:39 |
| Aard | networkmanager even sucks more than connman, unfortunately | 10:39 |
| flux | recently I learned NM even has a nice command line interface | 10:39 |
| flux | though I still don't know how to have it make a primary gateway of my 4g automatically ;-) | 10:40 |
| Aard | after the wicked stuff for opensuse I'm pretty sure that being a moron is mandatory for writing network management code | 10:40 |
| flux | is connman able to keep up multiple network interfaces? or did jolla just choose not to allow that? | 10:41 |
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| Aard | it is capable, but easily messes up. we had it enabled now and then, don't remember what the current state is | 10:43 |
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| trigpoint | connman isn't a name I would have chosen, sounds more like malware | 10:47 |
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| kjetilho | it doesn't inspire confidence? | 10:48 |
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| the_mgt | also, I never know how to spell it correctly, I would have called conman, so each abbreviation has equal amount of letters... | 10:48 |
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| trigpoint | the_mgt conman looks even more like con man | 10:49 |
| the_mgt | agreed, but 3 letters each makes more sense to me | 10:50 |
| flux | there are actually various conman-projects, so I guess it should not be mixed up with them ;) | 10:50 |
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| flux | (I use this one: https://github.com/delic/conman) | 10:50 |
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| trigpoint | This is what con man immediately meant to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con_Man | 10:52 |
| Jope | flux, it was also a really old console window extender for the Amiga http://amiga-fish.erkan.se/amiga-fish-disk-90-content-Conman/ :-) | 10:56 |
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| jaacoppi | is it just me or is Aptoide Appstore gone? The app doesnt start and cant be found from Harbour under Marketplaces | 14:11 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | locusf: hows sailpi | 14:25 |
| locusf | Vegeshite_Mite: just booted up, will try to take a look after some more pressing matters now | 14:25 |
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| ikarus | Jolla should stop wasting money on marketing two TOHs they don't sell anymore.... | 15:47 |
| ikarus | I still get ads for the lime and nadeshiko pink ones | 15:47 |
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| ikarus | still annoys me :P | 15:49 |
| kro | "Unfortunately we were not able to dispatch the Lime The Other Half that your order contained. [...] At this point in time we have no estimate for when the "Lime" The Other Half will be replenished. Unfortunately it's possible that they will not be replenished at all." | 15:49 |
| greenit | hi, i have downloaded jollagram from the store, but i have some problems with it... most of the time when i open it, it says that it is not connected and is there no landscape-mode? | 15:49 |
| ikarus | kro: yeah :( | 15:49 |
| ikarus | kro: and I want the Nadeshiko one | 15:50 |
| ikarus | although I am dyeing a white one purple later this week | 15:50 |
| kro | I got it (and already sold it) because I just wanted the lime one for me... now I'm stuck with the white one | 15:50 |
| ikarus | lol | 15:50 |
| ikarus | kro: well, I am hoping to dye the white one using iDye Poly | 15:51 |
| ikarus | so if it works, I may post a guide | 15:51 |
| kro | actually I'd like to have a black one :) | 15:51 |
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| friese | humm, dyeing toh's? still got a second white toh for experimentation ;) | 15:51 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 15:52 |
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| greenit | will the black TOH ever be in stock again? | 15:54 |
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| ikarus | greenit: unlikely it seems :( | 15:55 |
| _inte_ | I always wanted to know: when I connect my phone via usb I'm always asked if I want to use developer mode, pc sync or charging only | 15:55 |
| greenit | :/ | 15:55 |
| _inte_ | what is this pc-sync mode good for at all? | 15:55 |
| ikarus | I've been tempted to toss a TOH design on Shapeways for people to buy at no design cost, but validated to print well on shapeways processes | 15:55 |
| ikarus | _inte_: it enables MTP/PTP access | 15:55 |
| _inte_ | so no direct sync for contacts or calendar yet? | 15:56 |
| greenit | _inte_: don't think so, more like an external harddrive | 15:56 |
| _inte_ | im syncing through openxchange anyways, but, just curious | 15:56 |
| * friese wants that angry birds half, but i don't need another jolla (already got two)... | 15:56 | |
| chem|st | _inte_: syncml is there but I doubt it is working properly atm | 15:56 |
| greenit | however i didn't connect it in this mode until nnow, so i don't know exactly | 15:56 |
| ikarus | friese: donate one to a hungry developer ? | 15:57 |
| _inte_ | i used direct sync on my N9 for some time | 15:57 |
| greenit | friese: which ones did you get for now? | 15:57 |
| friese | i've got the first one toh, black, green, nadeshiko pink | 15:58 |
| friese | and 2 white tohs :) | 15:58 |
| _inte_ | tried to sync the jolla but no response in syncevolution i guess | 15:58 |
| greenit | is there a good native telegram-app? jollagram doesn't work well for me... :( | 15:58 |
| chem|st | friese: how did you get another white one? | 15:58 |
| friese | also i'm patiently waiting for my tohkbd, which will probably replace all of them ;) | 15:58 |
| friese | chem|st: i bought 2 jollas | 15:58 |
| chem|st | ah ok... | 15:58 |
| ikarus | I just have the black and white ones, only ones availible when I bought my phone, want a purple, red and pink one | 15:58 |
| ikarus | But yeah, the kbd will replace much of them :) | 15:59 |
| chem|st | I'd love to have a rainbow set in a nice leather box... but well | 15:59 |
| friese | also thought about getting a lastucase, but i don't know how often i would use that when i get the tohkbd | 15:59 |
| chem|st | 30eur is a bit harsh for each so I have black and blue and tfo of course | 16:00 |
| chem|st | friese: never? | 16:00 |
| greenit | if you get the TOHKBD and your black TOH is in a very good condition, will you sell it to me? :) | 16:00 |
| ikarus | chem|st: mmmmm | 16:00 |
| friese | chem|st: probably :) | 16:00 |
| chem|st | ikarus: mmmm what? | 16:01 |
| ikarus | chem|st: a rainbow set | 16:01 |
| friese | greenit: humm... need to think about that | 16:01 |
| friese | i wouldn't say very good though. the edges are a bit... shiny :) | 16:02 |
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| _inte_ | what is the problem with these wodden cases at all? | 16:09 |
| _inte_ | most of the time i visit the jolla store, they are out of stock | 16:10 |
| _inte_ | but once in a while, at least some are available | 16:10 |
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| ikarus | _inte_: you can always buy them from Lastu directly | 16:10 |
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| ikarus | but then they lack "Jolla" on themn | 16:10 |
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| _inte_ | yeah well | 16:14 |
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| _inte_ | IF I buy one im going for the jolla logo | 16:14 |
| _inte_ | however my jolla falls more and more apart | 16:14 |
| _inte_ | i still have a broken screen but that doesnt matter too much | 16:15 |
| greenit | _inte_: what? how? what are you dioing with it? | 16:15 |
| greenit | doing | 16:15 |
| greenit | * | 16:15 |
| _inte_ | i was about to buy a replacement phone for 200€ but price went up to 250 again | 16:15 |
| _inte_ | greenit: actually i dont know what happend | 16:15 |
| _inte_ | repair would cost about 170€ therefore id better go for a new one | 16:16 |
| _inte_ | however, since yesterday i recognised that the usb plug got maybe somewhat loose and the phone disconnects from the cable from time to time | 16:16 |
| _inte_ | could also be the cable so ill have to check that | 16:17 |
| _inte_ | i had theese issues with my n9 and my n900 before so i dare that the port is a bit broken from all unpluggin and inplugging | 16:17 |
| _inte_ | got the phone in 2013 so well possible | 16:17 |
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| _inte_ | i probale should have gone for a qi toh :-) | 16:18 |
| _inte_ | probabbly | 16:18 |
| _inte_ | well you know what i mean :) | 16:18 |
| _inte_ | any idea anyone when the jolla2 is set to arrive? | 16:19 |
| greenit | if i install telegram via the android-store, do i have to let it open to receive messages? do i get messages when it is in the task-view only? do i get messages when the client is closed? | 16:21 |
| _inte_ | there is jollagram as well but i dont know how good that works | 16:21 |
| greenit | _inte_: i have jollagram installed, but it doesn't connect pretty often and i don't have a landscape-mode to write something... also i don't know if i have to let it open as i just installed it and noone wrote a message to me for now :) | 16:23 |
| _inte_ | :) | 16:23 |
| _inte_ | go for cyanide then | 16:23 |
| _inte_ | its a tox client | 16:23 |
| _inte_ | i guess it doing fine though i dont have any tox contacts yet | 16:24 |
| ikarus | _inte_: well beyond the tablet | 16:25 |
| _inte_ | ikarus: then I guess ill wait for the next 200€ offer :-) | 16:25 |
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| greenit | well, last time i looked at the tox-website the translation wasn't complete for my language... 40% of the letters wer missing^^ | 16:27 |
| greenit | were* | 16:27 |
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| greenit | and it was hard enough to convince my contacts to come to telegram, i don't think that they want to switch again... i already tried to convince them of XMPP without success :/ | 16:29 |
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| greenit | do i have to install anything to get notifications from android apps? | 16:41 |
| Lord_Fark_II | hey if one community funded project cant get enough attention from a soc manufacturer why dont team up with another group for a group buy? | 16:43 |
| ikarus | greenit: nope, if the application is well behaved about them, they work | 16:43 |
| Lord_Fark_II | is that possible? | 16:43 |
| greenit | ikarus: bist the app has to run, right? | 16:44 |
| * baum is using his jolla for a university project :) | 16:44 | |
| greenit | but* | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | Lord_Fark_II: .. hum? | 16:44 |
| ikarus | greenit: or launch an Android background service | 16:44 |
| greenit | ikarus: how do i do that? | 16:44 |
| ikarus | greenit: the application needs to do that | 16:45 |
| greenit | ah, k | 16:45 |
| Lord_Fark_II | just wonderimg because alot of soc makers wont talk to you unless you buy a billion socs...why not team up w/ another project yi procure socs | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | Lord_Fark_II: ah.. you rarely talk to soc makers, you talk to odms, who talk to soc makers | 16:45 |
| ikarus | yup | 16:45 |
| ikarus | even Jolla is at that scale of things | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | given sufficient volume even over multiple odms, gets you attention | 16:46 |
| Lord_Fark_II | so who's jolla's odm | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | depends from product to product | 16:46 |
| ikarus | Lord_Fark_II: not public | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, also not public | 16:47 |
| ikarus | Lord_Fark_II: that is company secret stuff to prevent poaching, sniping and other buisness nastiness | 16:47 |
| Lord_Fark_II | heh... i assume odm == foxconn/flextronics/etc | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, along those lines | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ikarus: or the nastier attack; buy up all the components your opponent uses.. | 16:48 |
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| ikarus | Stskeeps: and then return them, yup | 16:48 |
| Lord_Fark_II | ikarus: heh... sorry arent all the odms well known for tge main players? | 16:49 |
| ikarus | Lord_Fark_II: not quite and especially not who is dealing with who | 16:49 |
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| Lord_Fark_II | ikarus: well then how would we know that jolla doesnt indurectly employ child labor | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i think we're sticking to just burning out it professionals | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.fairphone.com/ also exists | 17:00 |
| tbr | excelling at it, one might say | 17:00 |
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| ikarus | btw, the most stupid stuff I keep hearing is about the rare earth metal slavery and abuse | 17:02 |
| ikarus | Congo contributes less then 10% of the total supply of tantalum.... it's just that China doesn't do proper accounting and it gets mixed in with legit flows as early as Kenia | 17:02 |
| Lord_Fark_II | isnt fairphone just a fluff piece? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | they do quite a lot | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | time to watch the regular apple brainwashing | 17:03 |
| Lord_Fark_II | so is jolla made in the eu or china | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | nobody makes it in eu | 17:03 |
| Lord_Fark_II | so there is more than 1 odm? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | except raspberry pi, but that's not a mobile device | 17:04 |
| Lord_Fark_II | Stskeeps: i hear the pyra will | 17:04 |
| ikarus | Stskeeps: and that happend due to one hell of a fluke | 17:04 |
| friese | wasn't the n9 made in finland (at least a bit)? | 17:04 |
| uuhimhere | so technically locusf 's sailpi is the only made in eu sailfish os phone? | 17:06 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf: congrats. you have made eu history(at least until u have a fimished product xd) | 17:13 |
| uuhimhere | how come nobody manugactures anything in russia | 17:14 |
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| baum | uhm question, i just tried to include <QCamera>, however it seems to be missing. Isn't this a standart QT5.2 lib, or did i get something wrong? | 18:00 |
| plfiorini | oh nice, my jolla just dropped and i broke the glass | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | noooo | 18:03 |
| Tegu | augh ;( | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | time to buy a new one | 18:03 |
| plfiorini | i hate myself | 18:04 |
| Tegu | new glass | 18:04 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps, any plans for a jolla 2? :D | 18:04 |
| baum | and i thought the scratch in my glass was annoying....i feel with you plfiorini | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | i would have no access to such a thing, i only do worthless research projects | 18:04 |
| plfiorini | baum, thanks | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:04 |
| svuorela | plfiorini: I'm sure even if he know, he wouldn't tell. | 18:04 |
| plfiorini | svuorela, hehe | 18:05 |
| svuorela | I'm still busywaiting for Stskeeps to start shipping my tablet :P | 18:05 |
| Tegu | svuorela: that's why ":P" ^^ | 18:05 |
| baum | hmmmm research.....does research involve an active digitizer for the next gen tablet? =D | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | baum: i think javispedro got his adj something touch going, at least it worked on the device.. | 18:05 |
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| baum | Stskeeps: well i'll wait untill you offer a good integration for a wacom-like pen, once that's offered i'll buy two :P | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | baum: http://www.adonit.net/jot/script/ | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | we just checked it worked fine with tablet screen | 18:09 |
| entil | svuorela: june's only a couple of months away ;) | 18:09 |
| svuorela | but I want it now!!1111eleven | 18:10 |
| entil | I still have my fingers crossed that there's some way to get a beta release beforehand to test ;) | 18:11 |
| entil | but time's flown pretty fast since the initial campaign, a few months isn't that bad | 18:11 |
| * plfiorini is looking for a new glass on ebay | 18:12 | |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: at least it's cheaper to buy a new one than attempt repair through service.. | 18:12 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps, guess so, someone said ~200 € on a forum | 18:13 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps, just found a new one from a phone store nearby (about 1h of car from here), 250 € | 18:13 |
| baum | Stskeeps: ah, well thanks for the link, something new to check out - till now the pens i tried were quite a disappointment - pretty much the reason why i stuck to wacom (and got me the thinkpad yoga) | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: 249 eur on store, albeit i dunno about shipping | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: but true, you're in italy, there's supposedly jollas in stores | 18:16 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps, free shipping :) although i remember it was most expensive | 18:16 |
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| plfiorini | i'm sure when i bought it online it was around 400 € | 18:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | i thought the reason why capacitive screen stylus were fat was because the screens expected a finger scale object | 18:19 |
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| * r0kk3rz reading through the 'how it works' page | 18:22 | |
| r0kk3rz | sounds interesting | 18:22 |
| plfiorini | found a store with jolla phones, 9 min of car from here! :) | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | expensive, but i guess cheaper than buying a decent wacom tablet, if you already have a tablet as such | 18:25 |
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| svuorela | plfiorini: you have jolla stores in your country ?!? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, italy has a retail presence | 18:26 |
| plfiorini | svuorela, yes it's the only cool thing about italy :) | 18:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | 'jolla stores', unlikely. more like third-party retailers that carry Jolla phones | 18:29 |
| r0kk3rz | but it is cool cruising around helsinki and seeing the Jolla logo up there next to nokia/samsung .etc | 18:30 |
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| sakustar | r0kk3rz: where? :o | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ 18 hours battery life of apple watch | 18:51 |
| friese | 18 hours? even my omate manages about 2 days... | 18:52 |
| juhaj | 18 hours battery on a WATCH? Must be pretty smart to be able to last less than a typical wake-period! | 18:52 |
| juhaj | (Well, not typical, but a longish one) | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | friese: that was my first reaction | 18:53 |
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| friese | anyways... probably rather get myself a pebble time and hope that it works nicely together with the jolla | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | friese: your omate is the mt6572 something? | 18:54 |
| friese | yup, some mediatek-soc | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | friese: how much did you pay? | 18:54 |
| svuorela | oh. jolla-watch ? :P | 18:54 |
| friese | ewh... was something like 250$ or so... | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: no, just a unhealthy curiousity | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | friese: similar kit is nowadays 88 USD | 18:55 |
| friese | yeah... | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | queried about it at $RANDOMSHENZHENODM | 18:55 |
| friese | i was one of the first on the kickstarter campaign and the whole thing had terrible delays | 18:55 |
| svuorela | I haven't yet found a reason to have a smartwatch. A normal watch is prettier, and I don't want to be *that* connected | 18:56 |
| * baum is going to brick his phone today.....i already see it comming | 18:56 | |
| friese | in the end i could have bought the same modell in a shop in germany for under 200$ and gotten it faster than my preorder... | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | baum: just don't screw up recovery mode | 18:56 |
| friese | before the omate i had a fossil wristpda - palmos on my wrist, awesome device (but a bit ancient by now) | 18:57 |
| baum | hopefully i won't :) | 18:57 |
| friese | btw while where on the topic? anyone using a pebble with sialfish os? | 18:57 |
| friese | *sailfish :) | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | one thing for sure: smartwatches of today, at least major ones, are doing it wrong | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:58 |
| svuorela | can I get my jolla to connect to my Tissot watch ? | 18:58 |
| friese | Stskeeps: why? | 18:58 |
| baum | quite a funny project btw, we are programming little robots at university - till now android was used, my team decided to ditch it and use sailfish instead :) | 18:58 |
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| urs | friese: yes (pebble with sailfishOs) | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | friese: way too notification oriented | 19:01 |
| urs | It kinda works. At least mail and call notifications, which are the most important parts for me. | 19:01 |
| friese | ah cool. does it work fine? how is the power consumption? | 19:01 |
| friese | hmm okay | 19:01 |
| urs | friese: of course nothing with an android companion app works, so no GPS an the like | 19:01 |
| friese | what about stuff like controlling the media player? | 19:02 |
| friese | Stskeeps: true... but is there something wrong about that? i just use the omate for all that small stuff like checking mails, missed calls, calendar entrys etc. so i don't need to get my phone out just for a few seconds | 19:03 |
| urs | friese: yep, that too works. | 19:04 |
| urs | (not that I'd use it very often) | 19:04 |
| friese | if i want to actually... "do something" i just use my phone with the big screen | 19:04 |
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| svuorela | why you need to check your notification if you want to "do something" ? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | friese: no, but it can be so much more, imho | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 19:05 |
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| friese | svuorela: maybe my english isn't too good :) i dont really like using the omate for regular apps | 19:05 |
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| svuorela | my watch have several features. it can show the time and the date. | 19:05 |
| urs | imho the great advantage of a smartwatch is that notifications interrupt my concentration less. When I get an email, I flip my wrist, see that its not important, and continue working. | 19:05 |
| Bawal | just thinking, if you get emails/messages/calls often enough to check it constantly to "save time", isn't it kind of... i don't want to say useless, but funny at least, to check the watch first and then take out the phone anyways | 19:05 |
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| Bawal | i'd imagine there's something many of the times anyways | 19:06 |
| friese | Bawal: i don't need to react every notification, most mails are probably something i can do later anyway... | 19:06 |
| friese | sometimes i leave my phone entirely at home, feels kinda nice having empty pockets once in a while ;) | 19:07 |
| Bawal | it certainly does | 19:08 |
| svuorela | BREAKING NEWS: apple watch will not be sold in Denmark in the beginning | 19:10 |
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| svuorela | "18 hours of battery life is more than expected" | 19:11 |
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| ikarus | urs: I am hoping a smartwatch will stop me worrying about "what room do I need to be at, what train to catch, etc" more so then notifications :) | 19:12 |
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| ikarus | hrm, quick, q, anyone know of a half decent todo app for Sailfish ? | 19:54 |
| ikarus | with a good cover | 19:54 |
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| Nicd- | well there's like 103041536315 todo apps in the store | 19:56 |
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| Obi-Lan | onenote :) | 20:07 |
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| ikarus | Nicd-: I don't want a note taking app, I need something todo list managey, with a good cover and perhaps a calender integration for deadlines, etc | 20:09 |
| baum | no matter what i'm trying to debug i'm getting the following error message: "Adapter start failed. Initial setup failed: Application finished with exit code 127." By chance anyone got an idea what that means? | 20:10 |
| Obi-Lan | I suppose jollas anemic Exchange support doesnt have support for Exchange tasks | 20:11 |
| Obi-Lan | it would do todo list with deadlines and notifications | 20:12 |
| kimmoli | who uses exchange tasks anyway? O_o | 20:12 |
| baum | kimmoli: me, tasks left today: 1) drink a beer 2) enslave the world | 20:13 |
| raa700 | why would you drink a single beer? | 20:14 |
| baum | but yey, currently i'm stuck at the error code :) | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | error: no beer ? | 20:14 |
| baum | raa700: well, beers arn't that small here :) | 20:14 |
| Obi-Lan | boat captains edition? | 20:15 |
| kimmoli | baum: reading backlog, robots? | 20:15 |
| baum | kimmoli: nothing serios, little bots controlled via i2c - which have to solve little challenges via image detection / IR sensores | 20:17 |
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| baum | challenges involve: odometry, Self-localisation and navigation, obstacle avoidance, map building, color detection and object segmentation, homography | 20:20 |
| kimmoli | about your error? https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/sdk-beta-qt5-known-issues/ -> debugging? | 20:20 |
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| svuorela | kimmoli: btw, where is toholed on topic? :) | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | svuorela: ? | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | svuorela: mean irc channel or what? | 20:22 |
| svuorela | yeah | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | ##kimmoli-tohs | 20:22 |
| baum | kimmoli: uhm thanks, you wouldn't belive how long i searched for this =/ | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | baum: i just googled your error :) | 20:22 |
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| * baum notes to give google a try once again | 20:23 | |
| kimmoli | nah, it already knows that i'm looking sailfish stuff | 20:24 |
| baum | btw, wouldn't it be cool to flood a p2p based search engine with sailfish-related topics? i mean searching such stuff via yacy (or others) would be awesome :) | 20:24 |
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| keithzg | Oooh my solar panel TOH arrived today, just in time for the sunny weather to (hopefully) start :) | 22:32 |
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| kjetilho | keithzg: oh, that sounds cool. link? and let me/us know if it actually works :) | 22:47 |
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| keithzg | kjetilho: Ordered it from http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9#!/SolarTOH/p/40687078, I'll get back to y'all with how well/if it actually works :) | 22:55 |
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| kjetilho | "3% battery increase per hour (in flightmode)" :) | 22:58 |
| juhaj | In what kind of lighting conditions? | 22:59 |
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| phlixi | ULTRA | 22:59 |
| phlixi | :-) | 22:59 |
| phlixi | (i guess) | 22:59 |
| kjetilho | ah, in Tampere on October 30th! | 22:59 |
| juhaj | I have a solar spare usb battery, it is pretty impressive in direct sunlight (charges faster than my N9 eats it unless I have both gprs and wifi on) but in poorer light it's useless | 23:00 |
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| kjetilho | it says out of stock now, though | 23:04 |
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| keithzg | kjetilho: check the different colours | 23:14 |
| kjetilho | aha! | 23:14 |
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| kjetilho | dirkvl: do you send via normal mail or do you use a courier service like FedEx or DHL? | 23:21 |
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| kjetilho | dirkvl: nevermind, I found the information on your webpage (postnl.nl) | 23:22 |
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