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| chem|st | ikarus: I only setup wallets when I am able to write down secret keys by hand and that is baerly the case when sober^^ | 00:20 |
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| ikarus | chem|st: exactly | 00:21 |
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| chem|st | or seeds respectively | 00:21 |
| chem|st | time to buy a trezor! | 00:22 |
| ikarus | heheh | 00:23 |
| ikarus | I am keeping drunk for the evening, fuck sobriety for the weekend | 00:23 |
| chem|st | good point, there is still not enough air in my bottle of gin it seems | 00:24 |
| chem|st | hmm trezor got more expensive | 00:25 |
| chem|st | for the tablet we need a trezor capable app! | 00:26 |
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| ikarus | so, I have $50 to spend this weekend, what hipster piece of shit should I buy | 00:28 |
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| M4rtinK | another Jolla Tablet case :D | 00:33 |
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| ikarus | M4rtinK: nah, that case is unimpressive sadly :( | 00:36 |
| M4rtinK | so maybe raspbpi 2 ? | 00:36 |
| M4rtinK | also ~45$ | 00:37 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: lol I thought the same but I doubt that is hipster enough^^ | 00:37 |
| sakustar | chem|st: buy my old boots | 00:38 |
| M4rtinK | not you you build a vim pedal from it :) | 00:38 |
| sakustar | isnt vintage clothing a hipster thing | 00:38 |
| M4rtinK | the Arduinos people are using for vim pedals these days are not overkill enough! :) | 00:39 |
| sakustar | oh oh or buy a nokia rad suit? | 00:39 |
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| kjetilho | what is #jolla for? | 00:39 |
| M4rtinK | #unlike! | 00:40 |
| kjetilho | ? | 00:41 |
| kjetilho | anyway -- new user here. is there a podcast app for Sailfish? looks like gpodder is the only game in town? | 00:42 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: do you need something else than gpodder? | 00:47 |
| kjetilho | well, could be I just don't understand the UI... | 00:48 |
| kjetilho | I can find no option to download podcasts, for instance | 00:48 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: you add a subscription and then you tap the subscription and get all casts listed | 00:49 |
| kjetilho | that doesn't download them, does it? | 00:50 |
| kjetilho | and I really don't want to download all 200 episodes | 00:50 |
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| chem|st | if you click a cast you get a contextmenu | 00:50 |
| kjetilho | I really don't want to click Download on 200 episodes :) | 00:51 |
| chem|st | no it loads only headers | 00:51 |
| chem|st | you mean you want to load all 200? | 00:52 |
| kjetilho | so what I'm used to is Beyondpod on Android. it lets me choose how many episodes to download from each show | 00:52 |
| chem|st | but want to load them all together | 00:52 |
| kjetilho | and it generates a playlist based on my preferences, e.g., "1 newest episode from category News, 2 newest from Science, 5 oldest from Entertainment" | 00:53 |
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| kjetilho | and when I've listened to the oldest episodes, it will delete them and replace them with newer episodes | 00:53 |
| chem|st | why don't you use beyondpod if you are used to that? | 00:54 |
| kjetilho | I want to use native apps if possible | 00:54 |
| chem|st | the gpodder interface is very limited atm | 00:54 |
| kjetilho | *nod* | 00:54 |
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| chem|st | but opensource if you like to contribute | 00:54 |
| kjetilho | could be :) do you know what language it is written in? | 00:54 |
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| chem|st | python and qml probably | 00:55 |
| kjetilho | sounds good! | 00:55 |
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| pdanek | Does anyone outside Gnome community still care about GTK+ apps? | 00:59 |
| kjetilho | I really like the Sailfish UI, it's well thought out :-) | 01:00 |
| pdanek | Does GTK+ have any chance yet? | 01:00 |
| kjetilho | (apropos nothing, just a newbie gushing) | 01:00 |
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| pdanek | kjetilho: and Sailfish 2 is on the way | 01:01 |
| chem|st | pdanek: on jolla? needs xorg doesn't it? | 01:01 |
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| kjetilho | but it's extremely frustrating that the mail application can give no real error message :-p "Problem with configuration". blah. | 01:04 |
| pdanek | chem|st: No, GTK+ in general, on desktop, it seems to be dying. | 01:04 |
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| chem|st | kjetilho: journal might have more intel | 01:07 |
| chem|st | pdanek: yes it does, but not only gnome is invested in gtk+ lots of software is gtk or gtk+ as debian ran on gnome for a decade | 01:08 |
| ikarus | Gtk+ forced Gnome | 01:08 |
| ikarus | and many Gtk+ devs don't like Gnome | 01:09 |
| ikarus | so guess what happens | 01:09 |
| pdanek | chem|st: ran, and I know, even Red Hat still relies heavily on Gnome.... but it's just so dependant on Gnome now | 01:09 |
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| pdanek | If Gnome goes away, GTK+ does, and guess what? Desktop isn't really to grow much anymore | 01:09 |
| ikarus | I switced to Qt because Gtk+ becoming more and more Gnome over even the last 3 years pissed me off | 01:09 |
| pdanek | Qt is heavily used in mobile | 01:09 |
| chem|st | that is one reason why there was or even is a huge discussion bout the standard wm for debian | 01:10 |
| ikarus | you mean Debian has a standard and it's not sawfish ? | 01:10 |
| ikarus | :P | 01:10 |
| chem|st | I just got used to gnome since my last install but as my GF is still scared of my desktop I will probably go I3 or fvwm | 01:10 |
| chem|st | and don't care if anyone but me can work with it | 01:11 |
| ikarus | chem|st: Mate ? | 01:11 |
| ikarus | because that is what I tend to installl for people | 01:11 |
| chem|st | my netbook scares the shit out of people as not even people familiar with linux can open anything without me having a shell opened first | 01:11 |
| chem|st | ikarus: let me google that and I tell you if it is an option for me | 01:12 |
| pdanek | Sailfish itself, does it use some stuff from Plasma Active project? | 01:12 |
| ikarus | I run xmonad except on my netbook for just that issue | 01:12 |
| ikarus | chem|st: Mate is a Gnome 2 fork | 01:12 |
| ikarus | chem|st: it feels "comfortabel" for many people | 01:12 |
| chem|st | uh no thanks gnome2 was the reason I never used gnome | 01:13 |
| ikarus | ah | 01:13 |
| ikarus | I never used Gnome outside of making other people feel comfy | 01:14 |
| chem|st | lets hope xfce gets some drive with debian now, it has high potential but no development, maybe it has high potential because of that^^ | 01:14 |
| chem|st | ikarus: true, gnome is probably something that makes the transition for people easier | 01:14 |
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| ikarus | chem|st: Gnome 2 atleast | 01:14 |
| ikarus | Gnome 3 is a trainwreck | 01:14 |
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| chem|st | uh? don't know wht the last g3 is you had a look at but it is working fine | 01:15 |
| chem|st | the only thing that is pissing me off is the networkmanager implementation and how it is hooked up | 01:16 |
| ikarus | chem|st: it works quite awkward for anyone not from MacOS X | 01:16 |
| pdanek | Well, nowadays G3 is quite cool, they had some good releases and getting better and better. I was more interested in the underlaying GTK+, it just doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, all is going for Qt these days. | 01:16 |
| chem|st | well I hate windows and never had a mac... for me it is ok | 01:16 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: IIRC the Sailfish OS calendar backend is more or less ripped out KDE code | 01:16 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: o.O | 01:17 |
| chem|st | pdanek: which isn't any better | 01:17 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: according to a KDE dev :-) | 01:17 |
| ikarus | pdanek: people are fleeing for Qt | 01:17 |
| M4rtinK | also the document viewers are ~Caligra IIRC | 01:17 |
| ikarus | because if you want anything new or modern, you need Gnome | 01:17 |
| ikarus | or Qt | 01:17 |
| pdanek | Gnome or Qt? | 01:18 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I also find Gnome 3 fine these days | 01:18 |
| ikarus | so Gtk devs who don't want to be stuck with a single platform view, go for Qt | 01:18 |
| chem|st | how about implementing something directly on top of wayland instead of some framework? | 01:18 |
| ikarus | I've moved 2 applications to Qt because of that | 01:18 |
| pdanek | ikarus: do they? | 01:18 |
| pdanek | wow | 01:18 |
| ikarus | Gtk was just not keeping up | 01:18 |
| M4rtinK | and #unlike KDE it supports independent workspaces on multiple monitors :) | 01:18 |
| chem|st | and qt is not really multiplatform from what I understand | 01:19 |
| pdanek | Should Gnome project switch to Qt? :D Does anyone ever considered it before? Is it too crazy to think of? | 01:19 |
| M4rtinK | (you can tell it to no switch virtual desktops when switching them on the other monitor in Gnome but note in KDE for some reason) | 01:19 |
| M4rtinK | Gnome == GTK | 01:19 |
| ikarus | and I had to pick Gnome or Qt, and Qt looks fine and native on all platforms unlike Gnome | 01:19 |
| ikarus | M4rtinK: more and more, it didn't used to be like that | 01:19 |
| ikarus | Gtk+ was a portable subset of GNOME | 01:19 |
| chem|st | and if I was allowed to kill people without getting prosecuted I'd start with JavaFW developers and follow up with java developers | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | sometime I get the feeling that unless it breaks Gnome the GTK developers are not interested in fixing the bugs | 01:20 |
| pdanek | well, qt apps on Windows seem great | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | and maybe even then :) | 01:20 |
| pdanek | while GTK+ apps? meh,.... Pidgin | 01:20 |
| ikarus | M4rtinK: multiplle effects like that | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | still it has some stuff Qt does not | 01:21 |
| M4rtinK | like GObject introspection | 01:21 |
| M4rtinK | really really powerful stuff | 01:21 |
| ikarus | M4rtinK: actually Qt has equivilents | 01:21 |
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| ikarus | or even compatibility | 01:21 |
| chem|st | pdanek: foss developers should not think that much about having their apps on windows... it adds value to something that should not get the slightest support of the FOSS community | 01:21 |
| ikarus | the biggest issue is introspection on gstreeamer | 01:22 |
| M4rtinK | ikarus: if it has I don't know about anyone using it :) | 01:22 |
| M4rtinK | but I can import Pango from Haskell or Javascript if I wanted to :) | 01:22 |
| ikarus | because that requires some nasty buisness if you want to get low down | 01:23 |
| pdanek | chem|st: c'mon, days when Linux was for Linux people are gone... get out there and make multiplatform stuff... make an app? make it for closed-source OSes too... give people choice, not force them to choose platform | 01:23 |
| chem|st | ikarus: I think MrGin just told me to leave you to it, educate the guys! | 01:23 |
| M4rtinK | make runs on Windows ;-) | 01:24 |
| pdanek | Look at VLC media player, that's great example how apps should be done. | 01:25 |
| pdanek | Linux, Windows or Mac... you can stick to VLC all the time. | 01:26 |
| chem|st | pdanek: if everything runs for FOSS OSs because windows is abandoned you wonder how fast windows will make itself open to those platforms, but as long as they see no harm they wont change anything... just like they think that the next gen windows phones will rule the market and even attack the big players... | 01:26 |
| M4rtinK | or Open SSL - it supports big endian Windows! :) | 01:26 |
| pdanek | New RHEL 7.1 will support little endian on IBM Power btw. | 01:26 |
| M4rtinK | even though many still argue if any such OS ever existed | 01:26 |
| M4rtinK | I know ;-) | 01:27 |
| pdanek | chem|st: but FOSS developers should not care about OS... OS doesn't really matter, app matters and you should get it available for everyone | 01:27 |
| ikarus | pdanek: well, I like toolkits that feel closer to native on exotic platforms like Windows | 01:28 |
| ikarus | Gtk+ lost that | 01:28 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: the OpenPOWER stuff looks rather nice | 01:29 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: at least from what I've heard about it | 01:29 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: AIX free, KVM for virtualization & IIRC even the firmware has been open sourced | 01:30 |
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| pdanek | Power was made available to others ages before, but OpenPOWER finally makes it open for everyone. | 01:35 |
| pdanek | The best thing is that the architecture is really state of the art they're already fully working on Power9: | 01:35 |
| pdanek | http://www.vrworld.com/2014/11/14/ibm-and-nvidia-to-build-100-petaflop-supercomputers/ | 01:35 |
| pdanek | "AIX free"? | 01:35 |
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| pdanek | AIX licenses are still pretty fucking expensive. | 01:35 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC there was AIX or something else acting more or less as a hypervisor | 01:36 |
| M4rtinK | on older Power architectures | 01:36 |
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| M4rtinK | so even if you run Linux, it was there managing stuff | 01:36 |
| pdanek | yea, PowerVM hypervisor supports RHEL and SLES for very long time and you have Virtual I/O Server (VIOS, based on AIX) which can also virtualize resources to Linux. | 01:37 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's it | 01:37 |
| pdanek | PowerKVM is Linux only though, no longer AIX support. | 01:37 |
| M4rtinK | yep IIRC | 01:37 |
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| pdanek | Thinking, does it still matter to run GTK+ apps in Gnome? Latest Gnome 3 displays most of Qt apps with Gnome look anyway, so it integrates well. | 01:42 |
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| pdanek | Why would it be bad to just use Gnome because of DE? But actually run majority Qt apps on it? | 01:42 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm running tons of Qt apps in Gnome without issues | 01:56 |
| M4rtinK | QtCreator, Clementine, Qupzilla, etc. | 01:56 |
| M4rtinK | same thing with GTK apps on another machine with KDE - Nautilus, Gimp, Shotwell, etc. | 01:57 |
| M4rtinK | also no issues :) | 01:57 |
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| unbreakable | freemangordon, why dont you just load maemo onto an open pandora and slot in a USB GSM module | 04:03 |
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| unbreakable | Most important question of the year | 04:05 |
| unbreakable | will sailfish OS be able to run on the most important phone in nokia's history? | 04:06 |
| unbreakable | the Nokia NGAGE | 04:06 |
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| unbreakable | http://www.sidetalkin.com/ | 04:07 |
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| pp | no, but a sidetalking TOH is fully supported! | 05:23 |
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| inte_away | good morning | 08:44 |
| inte_away | i only wonder: will the tablet feature some kind of arm-vm to support legacy phone apps, or do we have to recompile them for Intel? | 08:45 |
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| coderus | inte: recompile | 08:46 |
| keesj | legacy??? | 08:46 |
| inte | ;) well..., i guess the jolla2 phone will be intel as well | 08:47 |
| inte | coderus thx!! | 08:47 |
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| tbr | one could of course, put on a complete ARM target chroot and conjure a way to run those apps through qemu :) (not full vm qemu, but process emulation) | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | scary stuff | 08:54 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: I believe that's how some people run wine on ARM. Never checked the details. | 08:57 |
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| inte | ah, next thing | 09:00 |
| keesj | Use the source Luke | 09:00 |
| inte | it would of course be cool to have wine running on the tablet | 09:00 |
| keesj | qemu-arm on intel is still very slow | 09:00 |
| inte | but im not sure if this will work with wayland | 09:01 |
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| inte | i guess recompiling the apps is not a big thing | 09:01 |
| inte | especially as x86 is actually the more "genuine" linux base | 09:02 |
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| thp | kjetilho: https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish is up for contribution :) a "download x newest episodes" would be a feature i'd welcome | 10:15 |
| thp | kjetilho: or at least a way to say "download episodes" and then get a list of episodes and tap on them and bulk-download | 10:16 |
| ortylp | thp: is there any (planned) support for playback speed control? I have tested (and using) https://github.com/waywardgeek/sonic for AntennaPod/prestissimo. The C library works :) | 10:18 |
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| thp | ortylp: there's http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-mediaplayer.html#playbackRate-prop and i think it does non-pitch-changing speed changes | 10:20 |
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| thp | ortylp: using something like sonic would also be possible, but then we'd talk custom QML plugins, etc.., so a more deeper-going change | 10:21 |
| Orly_Cow | the_mgt, so when will the jolla ui be made open? | 10:22 |
| ortylp | thp: I see. | 10:22 |
| thp | ortylp: but if we go that way, i'd rather contribute that upstream to qml mediaplayer (which might take a bit longer) and then benefit from it on all platforms and keep gpodder's source simple | 10:24 |
| ortylp | thp: I think that is the right way... the problem is I do not have much free time on my hands at the moment... and gpodder without playback speed control is unusable. | 10:26 |
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| thp | ortylp: dirty hack would be (if you download files) that we just pass the locally-downloaded file to a tool that does the speed changing *to the file*. that'd be a 30-minute-hack | 10:28 |
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| ortylp | thp: :D I have already thought of it, but the playback rate I can accept depends on the podcast host, guests that get interviewed and context (I am not able to listen too fast while I am driving, it gets much better for walking/jogging). The speed control must be therefore as accessible as play/pause/stop/FF | 10:32 |
| thp | ortylp: convert to multiple speeds (=multiple files) and then do some sophisticated file switching / seeking? :p | 10:33 |
| Orly_Cow | hey whats the name of that gay piano player who sang that song in the lion king? | 10:33 |
| ortylp | thp: nice ;) | 10:33 |
| thp | ortylp: and fade inbetween the different files :p | 10:34 |
| thp | ortylp: making up for lack of technology with disk space :p | 10:34 |
| ortylp | thp: in this case plugging mp3 decoding + sonic + audio playback into QML module sounds less difficult.... | 10:36 |
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| thp | ortylp: do file a feature request on github, so we don't forget it. though | 10:39 |
| ortylp | thp: ACK | 10:39 |
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| coderus | anyone interested in strange wayland crash? https://gist.github.com/CODeRUS/f3d86df5b11e1ef2344a | 10:40 |
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| spiiroin | coderus: always crashing or only now and then? | 10:42 |
| coderus | spiiroin: always crashing when this page active, on some 4-5 state change or so | 10:43 |
| coderus | so just keep this page active and do some systemctl stop/start aliendalvik | 10:43 |
| coderus | without timer it crashing at 2-3 iteration for me | 10:44 |
| coderus | with this timer it only crashing on 4-5 iteration | 10:44 |
| coderus | but crashing anyway :D | 10:44 |
| coderus | well, sometimes application is crasiong, but in most cases wayland crashing :D | 10:44 |
| spiiroin | there is an issue with DBusInterface signal dispatching -> certain message types can cause problems | 10:44 |
| coderus | spiiroin: well, i see no issues with signal itself, seems problem when requesting property value | 10:45 |
| coderus | no idea if signal is making any problems | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | Orly_Cow: you mean elton john? | 10:46 |
| Orly_Cow | no i found it ; eric clapton | 10:47 |
| Orly_Cow | thanks anyways | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | eric clapton is known more for his guitar playing | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | and i dont think he is gay | 10:47 |
| Nicd- | and he's not a pianist | 10:47 |
| Nicd- | and the lion king song was by elton john | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | but nvm | 10:48 |
| spiiroin | coderus: for example array:dict(string,variant) -> misbehaves/crashes when dispatching from c++ -> qml | 10:49 |
| spiiroin | in signals, that is. I have some unfinished wip fixes for it | 10:51 |
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| spiiroin | but master has lived since, needs rebasing etc again | 10:52 |
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| coderus | spiiroin: at leat without getProperty code it's not crashing | 10:52 |
| coderus | will try to replace getProperty with manual typedcall and test | 10:52 |
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| spiiroin | coderus: I noticed that there were separate property functions, haven't looked into those yet... | 10:58 |
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| coderus | spiiroin: crashing with manual typedCall instead of getProperty also | 10:59 |
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| coderus | spiiroin: if you have some code to test let me know | 10:59 |
| spiiroin | coderus: will do. later today / tomorrow | 11:01 |
| coderus | sure | 11:02 |
| coderus | just ping me | 11:02 |
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| kjetilho | thp: hey, cool. | 11:31 |
| kjetilho | faster playback is a "must have" for me, too, although I set it statically per podcast series. | 11:32 |
| kjetilho | but a related feature Beyondpod is missing which actually should be quite simple to implement, is something like ReplayGain | 11:32 |
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| IllusionL0v3R | http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/267424/Real+Life+The+MMO/ | 12:01 |
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| coderus | how to check when phone was produced? | 13:03 |
| cb400f | there's a manufacturing date on the box | 13:04 |
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| cb400f | month and year | 13:04 |
| coderus | hm, i have no idea where is my box :D | 13:04 |
| coderus | aha, have it under battery | 13:06 |
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| coderus | just posting comment here: https://together.jolla.com/question/53741/battery-capacity/ | 13:08 |
| coderus | my phone battery capacity since Oct, 2013: 97,619% | 13:08 |
| ninnnu | same (although this is since Jan 2014) | 13:09 |
| coderus | But my girfriend's Jolla since Mar 2014 capacity is: 96,5286% | 13:10 |
| tadzik | uh, 91% since July 2014 | 13:11 |
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| kro | 97,619 as well, mfd date jan 2015... | 13:17 |
| kro | 97,619 as well, mfd date jan 2015... | 13:17 |
| coderus | Jan 2015 :O | 13:18 |
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| tadzik | wow :) | 13:30 |
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| kro | Anybody already tried a 64GB SD card with the Jolla phone? | 13:41 |
| kro | (btrfs is fine for me, no non-linux-OS present anyway) | 13:41 |
| M4rtinK | kro: I have a 64GB µSD | 13:42 |
| kro | M4rtinK: cool, so it works well? | 13:42 |
| M4rtinK | kro: for more than a year already | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | kro: formatted with EXT4 | 13:43 |
| kro | macmaN: ok, perfect. thanks! | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | kro: no issues, everything working well | 13:43 |
| kro | missing my N9 space-wise :) | 13:45 |
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| chem|st | kro: there is a thread on tjc about tested cards | 14:58 |
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| ikarus | Yup, I have a 64GB card in mine aswell, Kingston | 15:03 |
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| kro | chem|st: thanks, will have a look (although I just ordered one now, going to find out in a couple days) | 15:15 |
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| Sailor8545_ | Hi, how can I disable automatic sort of application covers? it's so annoying when I need to actively switch between certain apps and they constantly change position. thanks. | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | isn't logic that it's most recently used sorting? | 15:39 |
| Sailor8545_ | yes, but can I disable it somehow? | 15:40 |
| Sailor8545_ | for me it's annoying | 15:40 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | Sailor8545_: how much did you pay for your jolla? | 15:41 |
| Sailor8545_ | Vegeshite: 400 eur | 15:41 |
| Sailor8545_ | Vegeshite: Why? :) | 15:44 |
| Sailor8545_ | I have it from the beginning | 15:44 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | Stskeeps: is there a forum on jollas webpage? | 15:45 |
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| coderus | Vegeshite_Mite: together.jolla.com? | 15:50 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | "we make it. you make it yours". well with that kind of a price tag one would sure hope you got something better than a snarky irc remark as a support package... | 15:50 |
| Sailor8545_ | :D | 15:50 |
| Sailor8545_ | yeah, TJC is alright, but quick IRC question is often more effective | 15:51 |
| coderus | yes :) | 15:51 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | though forum would mean its documented for future reference | 15:52 |
| Lieke | like so? https://together.jolla.com/question/428/fixed-sorting-of-application-covers-on-home-screen/ | 15:54 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | Lieke: Sailor8545_ | 15:55 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | Sailor8545_: Lieke | 15:56 |
| M4rtinK | Vegeshite_Mite: also talk.maemo.org | 15:57 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | whatbout maemo | 15:57 |
| M4rtinK | Vegeshite_Mite: #unlike together it is a real forum although not only Sailfish/Jolla are discussed there :) | 15:57 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah but for technical stuff it should be on the one that bears jolla's name no? | 15:58 |
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| M4rtinK | well if you want to talk to Jolla, then sure | 16:00 |
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| M4rtinK | if you want to talk *about* Jolla/Sailfish, then talk.maemo.org is better IMHO :) | 16:00 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | well sailfish's ui is closed no? | 16:01 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so a bug/feature cou;dnt be fixed/imp;emented by anyone but jolla...? | 16:01 |
| coderus | Vegeshite_Mite: closed, at least for some period of time | 16:02 |
| coderus | and for bugfix check patchmanager | 16:02 |
| coderus | :D | 16:03 |
| Sailor8545_ | great, thanks for the link, next time I'll search first | 16:03 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | well until the the only peop;e who can help with sailfish ui is jolla | 16:03 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so sailfish is basically jolla ui on nemo... whatbout maemo | 16:04 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | is it maemo ui on mer | 16:05 |
| locusf | maemo is ancient os, nothing to do with Mer | 16:06 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | locusf: always on standby to answer anything nemo/mer related | 16:07 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so what is it them | 16:07 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | just some nokia stiff on top of linux? | 16:07 |
| Teemu | android is just some google shit on top of linux | 16:08 |
| coderus | sorry, but whatbout googling names at least? | 16:08 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah thats not really related to anything im talking bout | 16:09 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | Teemu: kudos to being random thougj | 16:09 |
| M4rtinK | well, Maemo is kinda the origin of MeeGo and Mer/Nemo/Sailfish OS | 16:09 |
| M4rtinK | and many Nemo/Sailfish community member are/were active also in the Maemo community | 16:10 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but maemo is closed like sailfish thouhj right | 16:10 |
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| M4rtinK | it is not black and white | 16:10 |
| M4rtinK | a lot of it is closed and lot of it is open | 16:11 |
| M4rtinK | same thing with Sailfish | 16:11 |
| M4rtinK | a bit more open of it though, at least % wise | 16:11 |
| M4rtinK | also the Maemo community is slowly rewriting the closed parts where possible | 16:11 |
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| coderus | just because mer mw ;) | 16:12 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | whic is more open? | 16:12 |
| locusf | Vegeshite_Mite: always :) | 16:12 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | M4rtinK: which is more open %wise maemo or sailfish | 16:13 |
| M4rtinK | Sailfish | 16:14 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | is that because it runs on mer | 16:14 |
| M4rtinK | but that still does block people from helping/contributing sometimes | 16:15 |
| M4rtinK | for example the messaging UI is closed | 16:15 |
| M4rtinK | and there are various feature requests for it on together | 16:15 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | coderus: yup i get it. sailfish ny itself is more closed that maemo. difference is maemo is more than an ui... its a distro...? | 16:15 |
| M4rtinK | and only Jolla can do that as it is closed | 16:15 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so sailfish runs on an n9? | 16:16 |
| coderus | sure, why not.but not smooth and with limited hardware support | 16:17 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | M4rtinK: i think what they are truing to achieve is an apple like creative control over the ui so that its consistent | 16:18 |
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| M4rtinK | I really do hope they are not trying to achieve *anything* apple like | 16:19 |
| coderus | about which is more open i cant count well. imho both are on same level. closed ux and components. | 16:19 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | only problem is that the product logo isncontradictory to that philosophy(we make it . you make it uours ) | 16:19 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | product motto | 16:19 |
| coderus | it cant be opensourced from day 0 | 16:20 |
| coderus | imho it will be opensourced after licensing for vendors enabled. | 16:20 |
| M4rtinK | well, that's not the only "we are so open! .. unless we actually aren't" controversial wording... | 16:20 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah i guess theyre agraid that some chimese manufacturer would just flood the market with a milion hackable sailfish devices | 16:21 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | though thats how android got to where ots at | 16:21 |
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| coderus | Vegeshite_Mite: jolla devices are hackable out of box :) | 16:21 |
| M4rtinK | and if there was paid application support then that would be a net benefit for Jolla :) | 16:21 |
| M4rtinK | also even if you make everything open source, you would still need to license the trademark | 16:22 |
| M4rtinK | to make "Sailfish" devices | 16:22 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | well dont call it a sailfish phone..call it marlin or jaws or whatevre | 16:24 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | MarlinOS thats a nice name... | 16:24 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | coderus: yeah except for the ui which is what makes jolla not a nemo mobile phone... | 16:25 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | i guess i should have used the term moddable and not hack\ | 16:26 |
| Sailor8545_ | so do you think that Jolla UI will ever be released as open source? | 16:27 |
| Sailor8545_ | Can they manage to have Red Hat like busjness model in the future? | 16:28 |
| coderus | sure | 16:28 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | dunno... whats androids business model? | 16:29 |
| Sailor8545_ | ads | 16:29 |
| M4rtinK | there are more purely open source companies like Red Hat these days | 16:29 |
| M4rtinK | not many but they are there | 16:29 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | theirs is the only successful multi-brand mobile platform | 16:30 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | android | 16:30 |
| Sailor8545_ | windows phone is also multibrand | 16:30 |
| Sailor8545_ | and windows mobile was | 16:30 |
| Sailor8545_ | both succeasful | 16:31 |
| Sailor8545_ | if you consider Sailfish successful, than WP is for surr | 16:31 |
| Sailor8545_ | sure* | 16:31 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah but red hat isnt a mobile platform; the mn diff between ios and droid? other than hardware support... | 16:31 |
| Sailor8545_ | ubuntu! | 16:32 |
| Sailor8545_ | :D | 16:32 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | windows phone is a niche but yhey have their followers who are win die hards | 16:32 |
| Sailor8545_ | if WP is niche, than Sailfish is nonexistent | 16:32 |
| Sailor8545_ | then* | 16:32 |
| Sailor8545_ | WP is everywhere | 16:32 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | haha ubuntu... yeah flash sales... yeah definite;y NOT niche :p | 16:32 |
| Sailor8545_ | just because everyone has smartphone these days, you don't see it, because of Android majority | 16:33 |
| Sailor8545_ | but WP is quite popular | 16:33 |
| Sailor8545_ | and not in win community | 16:33 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | yeah wp is 'everywhere' in the sense that it has the msoft brand ppwer behind it but its mot that big of a seller | 16:33 |
| Sailor8545_ | the OS works, kind of | 16:34 |
| Sailor8545_ | friends of mine who tried was satisfied, more than on android | 16:34 |
| Sailor8545_ | were* | 16:34 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | its because you dont habe a bazzi;lion apps to download ans s;ow your phone down with | 16:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | and its not java. yeah ive only heard good things aboit it but i doubt itll more than surpass say the blackberry. just because eveybody sti;l uses #apps as a gauge on how noteworthu a mobile os is | 16:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | because everybody needs candy flappy nird crush 2000 | 16:37 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | though if wp sicceeds then ,pre and more people will get pastnthe whole app thing and others like sailfishos could gain a foothold | 16:38 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | M4rtinK: can midori web browser be ported to sailfish? i know its been ported to maemo | 16:41 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | just its hard to find a lightweight foss browser, even on android | 16:43 |
| M4rtinK | well we don't have GTK yet | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, there are two Webkit based browsers for Sailfish OS - Webcat & Webpirate | 16:44 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | which is bettet gtk or qt | 16:52 |
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| tadzik | which is better, orange or apple? | 17:06 |
| tadzik | everyone here will probably say they prefer qt, so I'll side in with gtk for a good measure :) | 17:06 |
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| Lieke | bananas are better | 17:08 |
| tbr | pfff, motif and libcurses ftw! | 17:11 |
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| Venemo | man, this is annoying | 17:19 |
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| Venemo | all my contacts got a transparent, empty avatar from facebook | 17:19 |
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| trigpoint | how do i edit wifi networks, i.e. set to not connect automatically? | 19:29 |
| trigpoint | only have forget | 19:30 |
| Taaeem | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtKKZyYbZtw that would be nice in jolla 2 | 19:30 |
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| Nicd- | trigpoint: uncheck the network | 19:32 |
| Nicd- | the switch next to it | 19:33 |
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| trigpoint | Nicd- Only seems to work if i'm connected | 19:35 |
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| Nicd- | ah, true | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | guess you need to connect to it first and disable it then | 19:36 |
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| trigpoint | its remembering, everytime i walk passed barclays it connects and launches the nag screen in my browser :) | 19:38 |
| Nicd- | then you should forget the network I guess :P | 19:41 |
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| trigpoint | its useful to keep, it works in the pub next door and mobile reception is 2G in old buildings in that part of town | 20:04 |
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| sakustar | trigpoint: why keep wifi on all the time? | 22:58 |
| sakustar | i close wifi after leaving home since then i get 50/50 lte :/ | 22:58 |
| sakustar | inside 2g or edge | 22:58 |
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