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| coderus | Launcher combined patch for #SailfishOS v0.1.0 uploaded to Openrepos for testing. So cool, much features! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-launcher-combined-patch | 00:00 |
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| tiwake | I love reading stuff I don't understand... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_chain | 05:58 |
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| uuhimhere | so whats the diff between capacitive and resistive screens | 06:25 |
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| tiwake | uuhimhere: one uses pressure on the surface, the other measures electrons from your finger (or some other electron-giving thing touching the surface) | 06:27 |
| uuhimhere | which is better | 06:28 |
| Joonaa | the not-pressure thing | 06:28 |
| tiwake | depends on use-case | 06:28 |
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| tiwake | personally, I like to use my fingernail, and its nice to be able to interact with the device with gloves or w/e | 06:29 |
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| Joonaa | well you can get gloves that work with those screens too | 06:29 |
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| Teemu | positioning with "middle of the finger hit area" is annoying | 06:36 |
| Teemu | i liked the fingernailability in n900 | 06:36 |
| Joonaa | thats very true | 06:36 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: yeah, thats why I like it too :3 | 06:36 |
| tiwake | can be quite precise | 06:37 |
| Teemu | at times i do some real physical work that affects the hand skin in nonuniform ways and the detected mush-area for capacitive displays is erratically annoyingly not always possible to estimate | 06:38 |
| greenit | hi, as my jolla phone will arrive in the next few days, i'd like to know if any of the following apps are available as native apps? Firefox, Telegram, WhatsApp, OpenStreetMap Navigation app | 06:38 |
| tiwake | Teemu: yeah, working in a machine shop around coolant, wearing gloves or having soggy fingers... | 06:39 |
| tbr | greenit: no, no, no, yes, yes | 06:39 |
| tiwake | soggy or sweaty | 06:39 |
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| Teemu | tiwake: not to mention the unevenly dried and cut skin that makes the center of that detected area not to be where you imagine | 06:40 |
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| tbr | greenit: to expand though: the browser is based on gecko, the same rendering engine as firefox. whatsapp are dicks and the native client was discontinued | 06:40 |
| Yaniel | there is a work in progress telegram client | 06:41 |
| Yaniel | and the web client works okayish | 06:41 |
| greenit | tbr: thanks, although "OpenStreetMap Navigation app" was meant as one app, like OSMAnd on android ;) | 06:41 |
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| tbr | greenit: I'm not sure if modrana or the other osm app has navigation | 06:42 |
| tbr | there is a native navigation app, but it uses HERE maps | 06:42 |
| greenit | Yaniel: thanks for the info! :) what do you mean with the web-client? The only "web-client" i know is via the firefox market place... is there another one? | 06:43 |
| greenit | tbr: ok, but I can still install OSMAnd if I want (in case the other OSM apps don't offer navigation) via the Dalvik(?) VM, right? | 06:43 |
| tbr | http://modrana.org/trac | 06:44 |
| Yaniel | greenit: web.telegram.org works in the stock browser just fine | 06:44 |
| Yaniel | I have a shortcut to it added to the app launcher | 06:45 |
| greenit | Yaniel: good to know, thanks :) | 06:45 |
| greenit | tbr: thanks, seems like i don't have to install OSMAnd :) | 06:46 |
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| greenit | by the way, is there a web-version of the jolla "app store"? I didn't find one where I can browse the available apps | 06:53 |
| Yaniel | no | 06:53 |
| greenit | ok, then I'll wait for my jolla to browse it :) | 06:54 |
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| Teemu | i'd like to browse stuff on a real screen and then just do the lightning strike of installation to the very exact thing i already decided on | 06:54 |
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| greenit | can you tell me which python-versions are supported by sailfish OS? I'd like to write some code in Python 3.x and run it on the device | 06:56 |
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| Yaniel | go ahead | 06:59 |
| Yaniel | python3 is in the repos but not installed by default | 06:59 |
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| Mikaela | I think I had to enable it from openrepos | 07:01 |
| Yaniel | pkcon search name python3 shows python3-base | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | you may have to enable mer-tools | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | (ssu ar mer-tools) | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | but nothing with openrepos | 07:02 |
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| merlin1991 | Nah stock repos are enough | 07:06 |
| merlin1991 | Python3 is part of pyotherside which is allowed for store apps ... | 07:07 |
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| tbr | ha, I just found a good analogy to desktop linux. open-repos is a lot like rpmfind | 07:08 |
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| jarkko_ | I'm sure vast majority here gets their OS updates as an early release, but yliaavanlampi 1.1.2.16 is available now for others (well, me at least), too. | 07:26 |
| Joonaa | greenit: whatsapp android app works fine on jolla, except for notifications | 07:29 |
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| greenit | Joonaa: thanks for the answer :) | 07:35 |
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| greenit | Are there any other good sites where i can buy TOH except the official jolla-store and funkyotherhalf.com ? | 07:38 |
| phlixi_ | greenit: like http://lastucase.com/ | 07:39 |
| Joonaa | great, i cant download the update.. | 07:40 |
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| Joonaa | greenit: you can 3d print one | 07:40 |
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| Teme | blah... i'm sorry to say but the browser is still pretty bad after the update :( | 07:59 |
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| Teme | here's a rant: it doesn't respect multiple audio sources like other apps.. so when jolla.com loads, media player stops since there is some audio source there i guess. second it doesn't still do text wrap, so don't bother going to any non-mobile sites, for example www.slashdot.org is basically unusable. 3rd there is still no way to switch homepage?? | 08:01 |
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| jaacoppi | homepage is in settings I think | 08:06 |
| Wnt | Teme: how should the text warping work? maybe you should file a ticket to https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues describing this feature? | 08:06 |
| mornfall | mobile browsers suck by default | 08:06 |
| Teme | jaacoppi: true | 08:06 |
| jaacoppi | settings -> apps -> browser -> home page | 08:06 |
| uuhimhere | does midori run on sailfishOS | 08:06 |
| mornfall | Wnt: 'zooming in' should work more like resizing a window than like zooming | 08:07 |
| Teme | forgot that place exists and was looking for it in the browser UI | 08:07 |
| mornfall | Wnt: zooming is useless for reading text | 08:07 |
| Teme | mornfall: mobile Opera seems to work decently | 08:07 |
| Yaniel | uuhimhere: nobody has tried AFAIK | 08:07 |
| uuhimhere | what? nobody's tried the best linux browser out there? :P | 08:07 |
| mornfall | if you can read 7px high letters on a phone screen sure the browser is OKish ;-) | 08:07 |
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| mornfall | uuhimhere: what linux browser? | 08:08 |
| uuhimhere | midori | 08:08 |
| mornfall | there are linux browsers now? | 08:08 |
| Teme | Wnt: i will try to describe it | 08:08 |
| ln- | lynx | 08:08 |
| uuhimhere | mornfall, yeah it lets you browse kernel.org | 08:08 |
| uuhimhere | :p | 08:08 |
| Teme | it seems trivial to the user but behing the scenes it might be a bit difficult | 08:08 |
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| mornfall | Teme: it really isn't, all browser engines can reflow text since forever | 08:09 |
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| jaacoppi | lynx is awesome, but sometimes links is needed | 08:09 |
| mornfall | try zooming in on a desktop browser... it doesn't let text go past the right edge, it breaks lines differently instead (unless the CSS for the site is braindead, but that's not *too* widespread) | 08:10 |
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| phlixi_ | wow, the browser still opens new links (e. g. from tweetian) into the last tab instead of into a new tab... | 08:18 |
| phlixi_ | this is ridiculous | 08:18 |
| phlixi_ | when will this get a fix? this is now an open tjc item for more than half a year | 08:19 |
| phlixi_ | (ofc with lots of votes) | 08:19 |
| tbr | I wonder if anyone of those who voted looked into patching that themselves. Browser _is_ open source after all. | 08:19 |
| phlixi_ | lol | 08:20 |
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| tbr | I know, outrageous to think you could go and fix a bug yourself, instead of standing on a soap box and crying out loud. | 08:20 |
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| uuhimhere | heh... i wonder if jolla will provide paid-for support | 08:20 |
| merlin1991 | I'm this '' close todo that, but first i need the obs target for that ... | 08:21 |
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| uuhimhere | what is jolla's software distribution mechanism again? | 08:23 |
| uuhimhere | locusf, so piolla still on hold? | 08:24 |
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| locusf | uuhimhere: nope, just waiting for my coworker to pick up the board and solder the components, please stand by :) | 08:25 |
| uuhimhere | ha ha nice outsourcing! | 08:25 |
| Teemu | piolla? | 08:26 |
| locusf | its SailPi now :) | 08:26 |
| uuhimhere | oh ok lolz | 08:26 |
| locusf | sorry for the retarted name at the beginning | 08:26 |
| Teemu | sailpi? | 08:26 |
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| uuhimhere | yeah its a revolutionary device that will change the way you look at sliced bread | 08:26 |
| Teemu | what if i never look at sliced bread? | 08:27 |
| uuhimhere | oh man | 08:27 |
| uuhimhere | this would blow your mind | 08:27 |
| uuhimhere | dont think you could handle it | 08:27 |
| uuhimhere | maybe try midori on sailfish first | 08:27 |
| uuhimhere | XD | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | was midori gtk or qt | 08:28 |
| Teemu | i have a book by midori... | 08:28 |
| uuhimhere | Yaniel, think gtk ... | 08:28 |
| Mikaela | gtk | 08:29 |
| uuhimhere | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_%28web_browser%29 | 08:29 |
| uuhimhere | yeah GTK | 08:29 |
| Mikaela | http://sprunge.us/bPXh | 08:29 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: check https://sailpi.wordpress.com for updates, I'll post there today about the gsm board woes :) | 08:29 |
| uuhimhere | ohnoes | 08:29 |
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| Yaniel | I always think of 緑 when someone mentions the browser | 08:30 |
| Yaniel | as in the colour | 08:30 |
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| uuhimhere | interesting; what does "Maemo integration for mobile devices[16]" | 08:30 |
| uuhimhere | mean | 08:30 |
| uuhimhere | says so on wackypedia-midori's feature list | 08:31 |
| uuhimhere | does that mean it will run on anything thats Maemo/mer/nemo? | 08:33 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf, think a few pics would add to the illustration | 08:34 |
| locusf | sure | 08:34 |
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| uuhimhere | Teemu, sailpi == making a homemade smartphone out of a gsm module+touchscreen and a raspberry pi2 | 08:37 |
| zutto | you should probably look at odroid if you want to make a homemade smartphone | 08:37 |
| zutto | ..or tablet | 08:38 |
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| mjr | IIRC somebody already made a phone out of a Pi (1) | 08:38 |
| uuhimhere | well any sbc could do it in theory; would be nice to see a whole ecosystem of homamade smartphones running sailfishOS | 08:39 |
| uuhimhere | lol | 08:39 |
| mjr | probably not worth it trying to run sailfish on the 1 though, 2 at least has arm7 | 08:39 |
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| uuhimhere | mjr yeah 2 has a quadcore +1g ram and yeah the ARM neon also adds value as far as compatibility with all the stuff out there | 08:40 |
| zutto | odroid just sells complete kit for it | 08:40 |
| zutto | or used to | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | yeah, SFOS won't run on the first Pi at all | 08:40 |
| uuhimhere | but ths odroid is much bigger in size than the pi though right? | 08:40 |
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| mjr | oh yes, here it is: http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/ | 08:40 |
| zutto | they have models that are bigger | 08:40 |
| zutto | the C1 has better specs than pi, is the same price and size | 08:41 |
| zutto | possibly bit taller? cant remember anymore | 08:41 |
| uuhimhere | C1 vs pi2? | 08:42 |
| uuhimhere | mjr, yeah thats very neat | 08:42 |
| zutto | uuhimhere: yeah | 08:42 |
| uuhimhere | locusf, are you planning on adding a battery charger in the long run | 08:42 |
| zutto | odroid used to sell complete phone dev kit, apparently its discontinued now :( | 08:42 |
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| uuhimhere | yeah i think its better that you get to do it outside of a kit; based on modules; that gsm module pops off some maybe you could have a sailpi TOH XD | 08:43 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: Don't know yet, I'm not that skilled with electronics in general | 08:43 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf, looks like someone else already went to the trouble: http://piups.net/ | 08:50 |
| uuhimhere | though thats optional | 08:51 |
| uuhimhere | wanna see it up and running making calls! | 08:51 |
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| uuhimhere | although a custom made batterycharging solution would probably be alot more compact | 08:52 |
| uuhimhere | that ups thingymajig's a bit big | 08:53 |
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| greenit | As I just read on a news-site, was it a bad decision to buy a Jolla-phone now? According to the article, smartphones from partnes should release in Q2 2015... | 08:59 |
| uuhimhere | well | 08:59 |
| uuhimhere | if that was the case then none of us would ever buy anything electronic | 08:59 |
| uuhimhere | thats just the nature of consumer electronics | 09:00 |
| ln- | yes, there's always something better coming within 6 months | 09:00 |
| uuhimhere | UNLESS | 09:00 |
| uuhimhere | you build your own sailpi | 09:00 |
| greenit | i like that word | 09:00 |
| uuhimhere | then its uniquely yours forever | 09:00 |
| Taaeem | I wait almost half a year now for a new sailfish phone :D still don't have one :-/ | 09:01 |
| uuhimhere | lost in mail | 09:01 |
| uuhimhere | ? | 09:01 |
| greenit | nah, i really like the jolla-phone's form and style, so i think it was a good decision. :) | 09:01 |
| uuhimhere | yeah it is | 09:01 |
| greenit | well, i just saw it on videos and images, so let's see how i like it when i have it^^ | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | also there's no TOHKBD for the other phones :P | 09:02 |
| Taaeem | But partners are always good for jolla | 09:02 |
| greenit | true | 09:02 |
| uuhimhere | besides the whole lure of jolla isnt the backgroudn hardware... its supposed to be the interface | 09:02 |
| greenit | TOHKBD is a bit expensive though... 1/2 price of a jolla phone :S | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | manufacture is expensive for small sets | 09:03 |
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| uuhimhere | so it doesnt matter if you didnt get the latest fapdragon octamom dingleflops with fairy dust | 09:03 |
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| greenit | plus it's a nice innovation with the magnets :) | 09:03 |
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| greenit | by the way, when you have TOHKBD and don't attach the keyboard to it, can you "pin" the phone to a magnet-pinboard? | 09:04 |
| greenit | I'm just curious :) | 09:04 |
| Nicd- | I think I saw a photo where the phone was hanging from a fridge door | 09:05 |
| uuhimhere | is the jolla hardware details/design open source or is it closed | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | but I don't recommend trying it at home :P | 09:05 |
| Taaeem | I remember somebody saying jolla isn't a hardware company they are a software company which also makes hardware | 09:05 |
| greenit | ^^ | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | Taaeem: jolla doesn't make the hardware though | 09:05 |
| uuhimhere | do they design it? | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | to some degree. dunno the specifics but afaik it's an android device flashed with sailfish | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | of course the physical form at least is designed by them :P | 09:07 |
| Taaeem | Nicd-: thats right ODMs are making the hardware | 09:07 |
| uuhimhere | yeah but the TOH is outside of android spec right | 09:07 |
| greenit | Is there any place / shop where i can buy a TOH with a NFC-chip integrated? I mean a NFC-chip to use it with other nfc-devices, not to connect it to Jolla-phone | 09:09 |
| entil | yo dawg I heard you like nfc so we put an nfc in your toh so you can nfc when you nfc ;P | 09:10 |
| entil | but that would be a nice toh if it existed | 09:10 |
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| uuhimhere | why do you want an nfc toh? what do you have in mind? | 09:12 |
| flux | well, at simplest you could use nfc-stickers to activate operations in a location-aware fashion | 09:13 |
| lainwir3d__ | for one, connect to nfc enabled headphones / speakers would be good | 09:13 |
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| uuhimhere | uhh the range for NFC <20cm | 09:14 |
| flux | ..it's only for pairing | 09:14 |
| flux | you touch, you're go | 09:15 |
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| greenit | the rest of the connection usually works via bluetooth / wlan | 09:15 |
| flux | nfc bandwidth isn't enough for music either | 09:15 |
| uuhimhere | lainwir3d__, unless you wanna hold your head down next to your belly button all the time a normal pair of earphones would probablt be better | 09:15 |
| uuhimhere | is credit card transaction over NFC secure? | 09:16 |
| greenit | my phone-company supports paying with nfc-able phones, so it would be nice to have it for shops where i can pay with it, but if there is no such TOH, it's no problem too :) | 09:16 |
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| uuhimhere | the wiki says no crypto.. | 09:18 |
| uuhimhere | so i guess if yyou wanted you could use NFC to snoop credit card info... :S | 09:18 |
| lainwir3d__ | uuhimhere: I don't get the link between pairing a bluetooth headphone and having my head next to my belly button | 09:18 |
| uuhimhere | lainwir3d__, for one, connect to nfc enabled headphones / speakers would be good | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d__ | yeah, and ? | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d__ | when I say nfc enabled, I meant pairing to bluetooth via NFC | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d__ | sorry if it wasn't clear enough :) | 09:19 |
| lainwir3d__ | Indeed streaming music via nvc would be weird | 09:20 |
| lainwir3d__ | nfc* | 09:20 |
| uuhimhere | yeah | 09:22 |
| leinir | nfc is a handshake initiation thing, try and push anything more over that an you're going to have a very bad day :P | 09:22 |
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| Tm_T | leinir: shouldn't that be taken as a challenge? (; | 09:23 |
| flux | 2.5 kilobytes/second, well maybe you can push some lowldy speech-codec over it | 09:24 |
| flux | lowly even | 09:24 |
| flux | or morse code. | 09:24 |
| lainwir3d__ | or lowly morse code | 09:25 |
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| entil | https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-new-signal/ zomgs! | 09:26 |
| uuhimhere | ? | 09:29 |
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| flux | cool. new iOS app! | 09:29 |
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| uuhimhere | yeah wow... a new iOS app.. thats unheard of! *GASP | 09:30 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf, on your mainpage it doesnt say that youre doing any GSM stuff | 09:30 |
| Taaeem | Now sailfish needs also text secure :-P | 09:31 |
| leinir | Tm_T: no, just that anywhere you got NFC you also have something more designed for data transfer - you /can/ do it with NFC, but it's terrible for the purpose ;) | 09:31 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: it doesn't yet yes | 09:31 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: its coming | 09:31 |
| entil | Taaeem: that's kind of what I was going for | 09:31 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: I'm at work now so I can't update the blog yet | 09:31 |
| entil | but I was interrupted | 09:31 |
| uuhimhere | locusf, also are you oging to post the github to the sourcecode mods? | 09:31 |
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| locusf | uuhimhere: sure, in time | 09:32 |
| Taaeem | entil: isn't coderus porting axolotl to qt? I think he is doing it for WhatsApp but somebody else could also write a text secure app or? | 09:33 |
| uuhimhere | so i take it instant messaging is all but dead?(yahoo,aol,msn,icq,jabber etc) | 09:34 |
| flux | uuhimhere, it's cool if you do it with your cell phone | 09:34 |
| tadzik | xmpp works still | 09:34 |
| tadzik | matrix is looking nice | 09:35 |
| flux | matrix is looking nice, but I'm afraid they will get too ambitious | 09:35 |
| entil | Taaeem: he implemented axolotl already | 09:36 |
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| NwS | Heya guys, I was wondering if anyone got a Jolla tablet yet | 09:37 |
| flux | no. | 09:38 |
| flux | ..apart from the prototypes jolla employees have | 09:38 |
| NwS | Damn it :P | 09:38 |
| NwS | Any ideas when they'll start shipping? | 09:38 |
| flux | I thought that was well announced? I don't remember it, though. | 09:38 |
| Wnt | june 2015 says the indiegogo campaign https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet | 09:39 |
| NwS | tyvm Wnt | 09:39 |
| Morpog_PC | june is for 2nd round of campaign | 09:40 |
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| lainwir3d__ | :-( | 09:46 |
| lainwir3d__ | last update broke my app | 09:46 |
| Morpog_PC | well, then fix it :D | 09:46 |
| uuhimhere | flux, i cant find an open source MSN client for android | 09:46 |
| lainwir3d__ | That's what I'm trying to do | 09:46 |
| lainwir3d__ | but it's proving difficult | 09:47 |
| Morpog_PC | uuhimhere, there is no MSN anymore | 09:47 |
| uuhimhere | oh yeah | 09:47 |
| politie | MSN making the comeback | 09:47 |
| politie | bout time | 09:47 |
| uuhimhere | BingSN? | 09:47 |
| uuhimhere | BSN? | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | they closed down MSN | 09:47 |
| flux | NSN | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | ages ago | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | it was merged into skype | 09:48 |
| AmadeusXNet_ | uuhimhere: Tried f-droid? | 09:48 |
| politie | shamefully | 09:48 |
| Morpog_PC | replaced | 09:48 |
| uuhimhere | AmadeusXNet_, yup | 09:48 |
| Morpog_PC | skype is such a bad replacement for it | 09:48 |
| politie | now theres skype and whatsapp :') | 09:48 |
| AmadeusXNet_ | uuhimhere: okey :) | 09:48 |
| uuhimhere | so why isnt jolla selling in japan | 09:50 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess people there buy only high end smartphones | 09:51 |
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| uuhimhere | well sell it with the TOHKBD | 09:51 |
| uuhimhere | XD | 09:51 |
| Morpog_PC | lol, that doesn't make it high end :D | 09:52 |
| Morpog_PC | only for a geek | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | uuhimhere: there's like 200 TOHKBD left to order | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | that would be a really small batch to sell in japan :P | 09:52 |
| uuhimhere | well that makes it not only high end pricewise but also exotically rare! | 09:53 |
| uuhimhere | yeah though i dont understand the whole "high end" thing | 09:53 |
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| uuhimhere | what does it have to have to be a high end device? a flux capacitor? | 09:53 |
| NwS | Nicd-, I am using MSN right now.. | 09:53 |
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| uuhimhere | i thought only the chinese used msn | 09:53 |
| NwS | I am European :P | 09:54 |
| uuhimhere | as in they still had servers running | 09:54 |
| uuhimhere | well maybe youre in china :P | 09:54 |
| NwS | In Europe lol | 09:54 |
| uuhimhere | reminds me of years ago when they said they would stop making mars bars | 09:54 |
| uuhimhere | over a decade and their still here | 09:54 |
| NwS | Search for messenger reviver 2 | 09:55 |
| NwS | But I've started replacing it with Tox | 09:55 |
| uuhimhere | well does that mean it runs on a diff network | 09:55 |
| uuhimhere | and say pidgin wouldnt work anymore | 09:55 |
| Yaniel | obligatory When will SailfishOS support Vulkan? | 09:56 |
| NwS | uuhimhere, I think they are using the Chinese servers :P | 09:56 |
| NwS | To connect | 09:56 |
| uuhimhere | nice | 09:56 |
| uuhimhere | so you could just plop in the chinese server details into say trillian and itd work | 09:57 |
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| NwS | No ideas tbh | 09:58 |
| NwS | The guy who is running the reviver project is an ex-MSN employee or something | 09:58 |
| NwS | So you mainly run the patch/reviver and your MSN works again | 09:59 |
| uuhimhere | i see | 10:00 |
| uuhimhere | so anyone here knows if theres any gaming emulators that run on the jolla | 10:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | there was | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | tmo | 10:01 |
| Morpog_PC | there was a project | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | mupen y coderus | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89216 | 10:01 |
| uuhimhere | i was told the frontend retroarch supports wayland | 10:02 |
| uuhimhere | so i guess at least thats a start XD | 10:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | thp, but sdl status ? | 10:02 |
| uuhimhere | thp? | 10:02 |
| Yaniel | SDL2 has wayland support AFAIK | 10:03 |
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| Taaeem | https://twitter.com/JollaUsers/status/572703520891281408 looks like there comes more information about sailfish secure | 10:23 |
| tadzik | interesting | 10:24 |
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| flux | the guy on the left is Elop, right? ;-) | 10:28 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 10:28 |
| Taaeem | flux: who is Elop? | 10:29 |
| tadzik | hahaha, plot twist :P | 10:29 |
| flux | taaeem, Stephen Elop, does not ring a bell.. ? | 10:29 |
| tadzik | clearly not. Taaeem, Elop was the CEO of Nokia when they gave up on meego | 10:30 |
| Mikaela | and now CEO of Microsoft wasn't it? | 10:30 |
| tadzik | see also: The Devil Himself, page 21; The Great Traitor, page 33 | 10:30 |
| Taaeem | Ahh okay thanks that was before my time | 10:30 |
| tadzik | heh, me too, I only jumped on the platform when it was already dead:P | 10:31 |
| Yaniel | at least it didn't resist then | 10:31 |
| Joonaa | does he have something against us | 10:31 |
| tadzik | I don't think he remembers or cares that we exist | 10:32 |
| Taaeem | But why is he there when it's a talk between jolla and ssh | 10:32 |
| tadzik | it's not really him | 10:32 |
| Joonaa | is it a lizard | 10:32 |
| pp | does look like elop, but not quite | 10:33 |
| pp | the real elop is a bit more puffy | 10:33 |
| dunp | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/02/smartphone-battery-life-poll_n_6787236.html?ir=Technology&utm_campaign=030215&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-technology&utm_content=Title&ncid=newsltushpmg00000003 | 10:41 |
| Acce | would the real Elop please stand up, please stand up | 10:42 |
| uuhimhere | is the gpu for thejolla a mali? | 10:45 |
| uuhimhere | or was it intel HD i forget | 10:45 |
| Morpog_PC | tablet? | 10:45 |
| Morpog_PC | intel hd | 10:45 |
| uuhimhere | no | 10:46 |
| uuhimhere | phone | 10:46 |
| Yaniel | certainly no intel | 10:47 |
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| uuhimhere | so other than tohkbd what other tohs are there | 10:49 |
| politie | toholed | 10:49 |
| Yaniel | aka LeTOH | 10:49 |
| Yaniel | some solar TOHs and the jolla ones | 10:49 |
| Morpog_PC | toholed, letoh, solar toh, inductive charge, | 10:49 |
| Morpog_PC | and alot more | 10:50 |
| politie | inductive charge is a diy right? | 10:50 |
| Morpog_PC | everything is a diy | 10:50 |
| Morpog_PC | TMO has an own forum just for TOH: http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=59 | 10:50 |
| politie | theres a wallet toh | 10:50 |
| Morpog_PC | breadboard toh, infrared imager toh, uart toh, nfc toh, eink toh | 10:51 |
| Morpog_PC | dip toh | 10:51 |
| Morpog_PC | audio toh | 10:51 |
| uuhimhere | wow thats quite a list | 10:51 |
| uuhimhere | are those all just plans | 10:51 |
| politie | fm tuner toh | 10:51 |
| uuhimhere | or do they exist? | 10:51 |
| politie | multimeter toh | 10:52 |
| Morpog_PC | no, most of them exist | 10:52 |
| uuhimhere | i wonder if you could use the rbpi2 as an external graphics card TOH for the jolla ... or is the interface not fast enough | 10:53 |
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| Yaniel | nowhere near fast enough | 10:54 |
| Taaeem | uuhmimhere: look at lastucase | 10:54 |
| Taaeem | And that wallet toh makes me want a jolla phone now :crying: if it had only a bit better specs | 10:55 |
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| Yaniel | wallet toh? you mean the flipcase? | 10:55 |
| uuhimhere | yeah id rather have a steampunk metal case... i dont want to have to varnish my case every year :P | 10:55 |
| Yaniel | a steampunk TOH would be cool :D | 10:55 |
| uuhimhere | locusf, actually a steampunk case would go real good with the theme of the sailpi :D | 10:56 |
| Taaeem | Yaniel: the one from lastu where you can put all your cards in and so on | 10:57 |
| Yaniel | not the one I have then | 10:57 |
| uuhimhere | "As a bonus, part of the profits from the sale of this case go towards projects that aim to restore lost forests throughout the world" | 10:57 |
| Yaniel | which is breaking anyway | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | I really want a lastucase for my laptop | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | they look so cool | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | or lastuskin or whatever it's called | 10:58 |
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| politie | lastucase is just a bit expensive | 10:59 |
| Teme | politie: it's not so bad considering it's a "design" product and the materials are not the cheapest possible ones | 11:00 |
| Joonaa | oh, the new browser tabs are actually usable now | 11:01 |
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| uuhimhere | steampunk titanium case | 11:01 |
| uuhimhere | well itd have to be titanium alloy | 11:02 |
| uuhimhere | Yaniel, it would be nice if it actually spat out steam and had mechanical cogs!!! | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | lastu desperately needs a good translator though | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | "The packaging we use recycled cardboard." | 11:04 |
| uuhimhere | maybe its haiku | 11:04 |
| locusf | uuhimhere: why not :) | 11:05 |
| politie | Teme, thats true but still. 50 seems to much for a wallet | 11:07 |
| uuhimhere | well you could always just drive down to your local DIY shop and let your imagination take over | 11:08 |
| uuhimhere | and make your own case | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | you need skills for that | 11:09 |
| uuhimhere | skill? | 11:09 |
| uuhimhere | whats that? | 11:09 |
| politie | yea ive been thinking about doing that | 11:09 |
| uuhimhere | XD | 11:09 |
| uuhimhere | i remember trying to help build a computer case for a firend once ... bandsaw + acrylic != good idea | 11:10 |
| Nicd- | I built a computer case out of lego. but I can't do that for a phone :P | 11:10 |
| uuhimhere | Nicd-, why not? | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/5799063123974673473 -- good memories ^^ | 11:11 |
| politie | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btib2UrCYAA-tQk.jpg | 11:11 |
| politie | ah nice computer case | 11:12 |
| uuhimhere | that looks like a server... | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | it was my IRC computer | 11:13 |
| uuhimhere | but still why not make lego case for your smartphone | 11:14 |
| uuhimhere | o ryou could just buy one of these | 11:17 |
| uuhimhere | http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Alego%20phone%20case | 11:17 |
| uuhimhere | cheating but close enough | 11:17 |
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| uuhimhere | you could also make a phone case out of acrylic | 11:19 |
| uuhimhere | though cutting acrylics a pain | 11:19 |
| uuhimhere | or hemp? | 11:20 |
| uuhimhere | or make a crochet :d | 11:20 |
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| japa-fi_ | Just noticed new email stating yliaavalampi -update. | 11:27 |
| japa-fi_ | Jolla will not initiate automatic download in the background, will it? | 11:27 |
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| japa-fi_ | (My dad is abroad, might have data enabled...) | 11:28 |
| Joonaa | you can check in the settings | 11:28 |
| xfade_ | japa-fi_: no, it won't. | 11:28 |
| Joonaa | download update via wifi only or something of that sort | 11:28 |
| xfade_ | No, that is only check through wifi | 11:29 |
| Joonaa | oh, you are right | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | yeah, there's no automatic downloading | 11:29 |
| xfade_ | Automatic downloaded has not been implemented yet | 11:29 |
| Joonaa | well, you have to manually fownload | 11:29 |
| Joonaa | d* | 11:29 |
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| mariod | hello again everyone :) | 11:34 |
| mariod | am not sure if people are still here at this time of the day but i thought i should stop by and say hi ... | 11:35 |
| politie | hey | 11:35 |
| mariod | unfortunately i also have to tell you that my issue is still the same | 11:35 |
| ponky | it's 13:35pm, ofc people are here | 11:35 |
| mariod | hello politie :) | 11:35 |
| ponky | ;) | 11:35 |
| Pawky | what is the difference with running apps in Jolla compared to an android phone? I mean, when you install an app in an android phone (without having XPrivacy) the app can silently spy on you sending contacts, GPS location, IMEI numbers, NFC info, Network card info... does this also account for apps installed on the jolla? | 11:36 |
| mariod | well yah ponky ... but people could be at work, lunch-breaks, ... etc :) | 11:36 |
| rigo | Pawky: I urge them since a long time to sandbox the android apps | 11:37 |
| Pawky | rigo: them, as i Jolla? | 11:38 |
| rigo | perhaps the secure system they present in Barcelona right now may have such a feature | 11:38 |
| rigo | Pawky: yes | 11:38 |
| Pawky | i wish they will... | 11:38 |
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| rigo | i know :) | 11:38 |
| rigo | one of the very reasons to have a jolla is to get around the spy, isn't it? :) | 11:38 |
| Pawky | and also, it amases me that Jolla, who are trying to market themselves as a secure phone, neither themselves nor any other parties have created an app to control iptables graphically, (like droidwall) | 11:39 |
| mariod | no offense meant ... i'm still a new user but i don't think there's ever a way to close out every spy :) | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | well, jolla still runs on binary blobs | 11:39 |
| Pawky | mariod: this is basic stuff.. | 11:39 |
| Pawky | very basic | 11:39 |
| mariod | alrighty then ... then this is my class ... *sits down and listens to you all* :) | 11:40 |
| rigo | Pawky: I always assumed that they want to do the right thing, so while they are young, have to be patient | 11:40 |
| mariod | like with kids? :) | 11:41 |
| mariod | sorry ... | 11:41 |
| mariod | not meant rude | 11:41 |
| rigo | nah :) | 11:41 |
| ikarus | Pawky: the best firewall is "Don't run untrusted apps" | 11:41 |
| rigo | ikarus: unfortunately not sufficient on IP networks | 11:41 |
| Pawky | ikarus: funny, but a no can do for most people | 11:42 |
| mariod | buuut one can trust "HERE" i was told | 11:42 |
| Pawky | rigo: well, I believe thats the first thing to do before starting to shelf the phone as a secure one.. | 11:42 |
| mariod | saying that because someone here said they actually talked to some Nokia engineer | 11:42 |
| ikarus | rigo: if I don't have any servers running on my phone, what do I gain by firewalling ? | 11:42 |
| Pawky | today, there is no way for any normal user to limit stuff if not using shell and iptables... | 11:42 |
| ikarus | please note that connection tracking uses the same logic as general access to clients in the Linux IP stack | 11:43 |
| rigo | ikarus: you have openssh running | 11:43 |
| Pawky | mariod: how could you trust HERE? | 11:43 |
| ikarus | rigo: I don't | 11:43 |
| rigo | and various internal things that one can exploit ... | 11:43 |
| mariod | i'm not saying i do ... i was just told that they are good guys Pawky | 11:43 |
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| ikarus | rigo: I have no ports open on the wlan or wwan interfaces, try again | 11:43 |
| rigo | mariod: they are, but they are lagging a bit :) | 11:43 |
| ikarus | ssh is only opened if you enable developer mode | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | why would you not trust HERE? or why would you rather trust something else? | 11:43 |
| mariod | and since someone on here told me they were ... i am inclined to believe that some more :) | 11:44 |
| ikarus | (otherwise the actual daemon is not even started) | 11:44 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: asking whom? | 11:44 |
| rigo | ikarus: ok, so you configured manually. That's not what Pawky meant :) | 11:44 |
| Nicd- | you for example | 11:44 |
| Pawky | so, it is fair to say, any app installed into Jolla, will have full access to do whatever they want to spy on, just as on any unrooted android phone? | 11:44 |
| rigo | bbl | 11:44 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: it will have the access of your user, nemo | 11:45 |
| ikarus | rigo: actually this seems to be true by default | 11:45 |
| mariod | by the way ... this "here" app still doesn't work here yet ... but it's good to read of some other stuff right now :) | 11:45 |
| ikarus | rigo: but I'll retest once I get a second phone, can't really reset this one to default as it's my daily | 11:45 |
| mariod | you must be rich ikarus :) | 11:45 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: and its contacts, the mac address of the wifi, the NFC, etc etc? | 11:46 |
| ikarus | mariod: actually friend of mine is donating it | 11:46 |
| ikarus | mariod: I wish I was rich | 11:46 |
| Pawky | with my Samsung tablet, I can limit what these programs do with droidwall and Xprivacy.. | 11:46 |
| ikarus | but working as a TA and consulting for small gamedevelopers doesn't make tons of money | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: don't know about specifics. contacts yes I think. NFC is only for TOH anyway | 11:46 |
| mariod | but at least you've got a job :) ... | 11:47 |
| mariod | and it's nice of your friend :) | 11:47 |
| Pawky | does anyone have the specifics? I would like to know :-) | 11:47 |
| ikarus | Nicd-: it can be used for other things with some trickyness, if both TOH and the other device support multi-device detection | 11:47 |
| ikarus | which most modern NFC devices do | 11:47 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: yes, but it identifies your phone.. | 11:47 |
| * ikarus sells Nicd- a foil lined phone cover | 11:48 | |
| mariod | well i don't want to sound rude but doesn't the phone or any other device connecting to the internet kinda identify itself? | 11:48 |
| ikarus | guaranteed no RF goes in or out | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | why did you sell it to me? :P | 11:48 |
| ikarus | mariod: most don't except on the local network | 11:48 |
| mariod | i mean ... without identification it won't get anywhere | 11:48 |
| ikarus | anyway, for privacy, rotate mac addresses or don't carry a phone | 11:48 |
| Pawky | mariod: not necessarily... you can always random your mac address (another feature that should be included in the jolla OS ) | 11:48 |
| ikarus | Pawky: secure and privacy aren't automatically the same, even though I wish they where | 11:49 |
| Pawky | ikarus: you are right... but the more privacy the hopefully better security.. ;-) | 11:49 |
| mariod | okaaay ... makes a bit more sense now ... using a random mac address from what i understand would mean that you're showing a fake-id then | 11:49 |
| mariod | but it's an id nontheless | 11:49 |
| Pawky | mariod: yes, otherwise when you are walking down the streets with your jolla wifi turned on, everybody can follow exactly where you are going.. google included | 11:50 |
| mariod | you cannot not communicate / identify / get identified :) | 11:50 |
| mariod | hmmmm | 11:50 |
| mariod | but why can google? | 11:50 |
| ikarus | Pawky: mmmm, that depends on the value of you as a target | 11:51 |
| Pawky | mariod: they have buit a massive effort by pinpointing where all Wifis are geolocated.. | 11:51 |
| Pawky | amongst others.. | 11:51 |
| Pawky | happily used by more darker forses.. | 11:51 |
| ikarus | I would recommend anyone to actually take a course in intelligence to learn how the hell this stuff actually works | 11:51 |
| mariod | i see ... but weren't they stopped in Europe? | 11:51 |
| Tegu | combine enough data so it will begin to be valuable, I guess? | 11:51 |
| Pawky | people tend to happily use google apps etc, who report these kind of things | 11:51 |
| Pawky | mariod: the scanning using cars yes.. | 11:52 |
| ikarus | Google is a company I want to see drawn and quartered | 11:52 |
| Pawky | but people tend to happily use their apps etc, who also give away these things.. | 11:52 |
| mariod | well ... i don't use any app yet but ... | 11:52 |
| mariod | let's see ... | 11:52 |
| mariod | the alarm clock | 11:52 |
| mariod | the terminal (got it yesterday) ... | 11:52 |
| Pawky | yes.. what about it? | 11:52 |
| mariod | and the Kari file browser :) | 11:53 |
| ikarus | I actually disabled non-GPS geolocation on my Jolla because I don't trust those services | 11:53 |
| Pawky | they can all potentially do this.. it depends on the programmer, company | 11:53 |
| Pawky | ikarus: they use wifi to pinpoint you.. | 11:53 |
| Sail0r | https://i.imgur.com/HnJmvHm.gif | 11:53 |
| ikarus | Pawky: Google does, Jolla uses celltower based | 11:53 |
| ikarus | Pawky: and I still don't trust it | 11:54 |
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| Pawky | Sail0r: lol | 11:54 |
| mariod | and how did you go about disabling that ikarus ? | 11:54 |
| mariod | and do you use any map-app? | 11:54 |
| Pawky | we need to be able to randomize our mac's | 11:54 |
| mariod | Sail0r, ... i'm afraid i don't completely get the joke | 11:54 |
| Pawky | brb meeting.. :-( | 11:55 |
| Sail0r | mariod: systemd is eating them all | 11:55 |
| ikarus | mariod: on the new version of SailfishOS (just out), it's in configuration, previously it was a single command | 11:55 |
| mariod | but i can see that something or someone is eating away stuff that two people don't like | 11:55 |
| Sail0r | and combining them | 11:55 |
| mariod | i see ... so one command to rule them all? | 11:55 |
| ikarus | Pawky: If you want I can package up a little app for that and perhaps even put it on Warehouse (can't be on the official store due to it's functionality) | 11:55 |
| ikarus | atleast for the WLAN interface | 11:55 |
| mariod | one command that does a lot of other stuff? | 11:56 |
| entil | https://bitbucket.org/Tarnyko/uselessd hasn't updated in a while | 11:57 |
| mariod | sooo ok ... from now on a simple command will do what was done with more before? | 11:57 |
| mariod | sorry ... am a little slow at times | 11:57 |
| mariod | also ikarus ... i'm not sure what app / feature you want to make into an app there but what's the problem with it that you can't do it into the official store? | 11:58 |
| mariod | in part i'm saying this because i don't have access to this warehouse yet as well :) | 11:58 |
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| mariod | macmaN, hello and welcome | 11:58 |
| ikarus | mariod: it would a) run as a background process from systemd (so it can regularly change it) and b) interact low level with the system in ways clearly not permitted | 11:59 |
| mariod | okaaay ... why is it not permitted? | 12:00 |
| mariod | side-note: i hope you can forgive me all for asking some more questions ... i'm not a proper techie yet ... i'm still learning stuff or interested in learning stuff | 12:01 |
| ikarus | mariod: because it requires priviliges that are also a huge security risk | 12:01 |
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| mariod | i see ... well maybe this is because i'm still green but if you continue to be loving and caring ... you will be a person that can be trusted ... and then people would know that you're not messing around with security in a bad way :) | 12:03 |
| mariod | wow ... this silence is deafening ... have i said anything all too stupid? | 12:06 |
| mariod | if so ... i am sorry | 12:06 |
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| ikarus | nah, just no point for me to really respond | 12:06 |
| mariod | okaaay :) | 12:07 |
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| mariod | sooo ... something else then if i may ... | 12:07 |
| mariod | i'm still trying to install the here-map ... | 12:08 |
| mariod | Morpog_PC told me that there are two different here-apps out there ... and told me that the android one is the better one regarding functions and other stuff ... | 12:09 |
| mariod | unfortunately though i couldn't download and install it yet | 12:09 |
| mariod | and according to ahjolinna if i remember correctly ... they said even though i've installed the Android Support ... it's not running | 12:10 |
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| mariod | i was told to install the terminal and activate dev mode ... | 12:11 |
| mariod | and here is something i was asked to enter ... | 12:12 |
| mariod | systemctl status aliendalvik.service | 12:12 |
| mariod | which resulted in -> Active: inactive (dead) | 12:12 |
| mariod | ... | 12:12 |
| mariod | then ... ... ... systemctl enable aliendalvik.service | 12:12 |
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| mariod | i got a "access denied" ... i was told to get root priviledges ... which i did ... now this came here later ... | 12:13 |
| mariod | after ... systemctl enable aliendalvik.service | 12:13 |
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| mariod | The unit files have no [install] section. they are not meant to be enabled using systemctl - - - - - - - Possible reasons for having this kind of units are: - - - - - - 1) a unit may be statically enabled by being symlinked from another unit's --------- .wants/ or .requires/ directory. ------------ 2) a unit's purpose may be to act as a helper for some other unit which has a requirement dependency on it. ------- 3) a unit may be started | 12:15 |
| mariod | when needed via activation (socket, path, timer, D-Bus, udev, scripted systemctl call, ...) | 12:15 |
| mariod | since ahjolinna had to go to bed i guess after this i didn't continue any further ... so i left and now i'm back ... i've rebooted my phone though ... sooo in case i have to enter something again ... please tell me | 12:16 |
| Taaeem | Why is it not running? | 12:17 |
| mariod | i don't know Taaeem :) | 12:17 |
| Taaeem | So it simply doesn't install or what? | 12:18 |
| mariod | the here-map thing ... every time i selected it in the file browser and tapped "install" via the pull menu ... it didn't do anything | 12:19 |
| mariod | the android support should be installed though ... the store says so | 12:19 |
| politie | have you tried installing from a android store? | 12:21 |
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| Taaeem | Did you try to install any other app? | 12:21 |
| fark_rabbit | so has anyone used the milkymistone for anything other than video | 12:21 |
| mariod | any other android app you mean Taaeem ? ... no ... but i do have three other sailfish apps ... the alarm clock ... Kari file browser ... and the terminal | 12:21 |
| mariod | politie, that's something i haven't done yet because ... *trying to remember* | 12:22 |
| politie | i just checked and couldnt find it in the store, maybe thats why | 12:22 |
| fark_rabbit | http://www.cnet.com/products/yotaphone-2/#! | 12:23 |
| fark_rabbit | wtf lol | 12:23 |
| Taaeem | mariod yes I meant android apps | 12:23 |
| Taaeem | Maybe try reinstalling android support | 12:23 |
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| Jope | the easiest way to activate android support is to install any android app from the store | 12:24 |
| Jope | in case it refuses to start after you only install android support and then try to install an apk manually | 12:24 |
| mariod | politie, ... i am sorry ... i can't remember and can't find it in the logs ... but i remember there was something about the whole process ... | 12:24 |
| mariod | so that is why the others and i have went with manually downloading the here-map-apk-file | 12:25 |
| mariod | and i got the apk-file with "racoon" | 12:25 |
| mariod | the only downloader that worked so far for me | 12:25 |
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| mariod | Taaeem, ? ... i'll uninstall Android support and install it again ... | 12:26 |
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| mariod | i will also reboot once the process has finished :) | 12:27 |
| mariod | by the way ... i think it's amazing how fast the apps get uninstalled :) | 12:27 |
| mariod | first reboot | 12:28 |
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| mariod | installation process started | 12:30 |
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| mariod | installation finished ... rebooting again ... | 12:30 |
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| mariod | phone has rebooted ... what now Taaeem ? | 12:32 |
| mariod | welcome to Behold , emaj , cvp_ , HtheB | 12:32 |
| Joonaa | mariod: now its updated | 12:33 |
| HtheB | hi mariod | 12:33 |
| HtheB | where is luigid? lol | 12:33 |
| Joonaa | oh sorry, you are talking about something else | 12:33 |
| Joonaa | ignore that :) | 12:33 |
| mariod | Luigi is in the Mushroom Kingdom right now :) | 12:33 |
| entil | luigid, the video-game component in systemd | 12:34 |
| HtheB | hehehe | 12:34 |
| mariod | :) unfortunately a joke i cannot laugh yet about since i don't know that much yet ... but thanks for bring some humour here :) | 12:35 |
| mariod | Joonaa, ? | 12:35 |
| mariod | if you know what to do next ... you can bring yourself in too i am sure ... | 12:35 |
| Joonaa | no, i dont even know what you are talking about lol | 12:35 |
| Taaeem | mariod try to install here maps again simply over your file manager | 12:35 |
| mariod | i was told that in IRC channels multiple conversations happen and many people jump and try stuff :) | 12:35 |
| mariod | ok Joonaa | 12:36 |
| mariod | ok ... one moment ... need to move the file again ... out of frustration i guess i deleted it :) | 12:36 |
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| cvp_ | mariod, welcome ;) | 12:37 |
| mariod | also ... for a reason i don't understand yet ... | 12:38 |
| mariod | my phone's memory card doesn't show up on the computer any more | 12:38 |
| mariod | wait ... now here it is again | 12:39 |
| mariod | weird :D | 12:39 |
| mariod | it wasn't before | 12:39 |
| mariod | alright ... i tapped "install" again Taaeem | 12:41 |
| mariod | nothing is happening | 12:41 |
| HtheB | what are you guys trying to install? | 12:42 |
| mariod | "here" ... a map app :) | 12:43 |
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| mariod | i'll be right back ... need to get something to drink | 12:46 |
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| Taaeem | Mmh I don't have that much ideas now, don't have a jolla so only assumptions | 12:48 |
| Pawky | ikarus: it would be nice to have an app that could be set to be triggered, either manually or periodically, (or in any other fancy way) randomize the MAC :-) | 12:53 |
| Morgawr | Yay, updated to newest SailfishOS and didn't brick my phone, achievement unlocked :D | 12:53 |
| ikarus | Pawky: I might actually be able to bind it to ESSID scan or something like that | 12:55 |
| tbr | broken upgrades seem to be mostly caused by people having random sh*t from OR installed | 12:55 |
| * ikarus probably has time this weekend, unless her parents suddenly demand her visiting them | 12:55 | |
| Pawky | ikarus: would be a cool feature :-) | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | mwc, yet another day.. | 12:56 |
| Pawky | I put qute some hope into the new browser, that i finally could be able to install adblock edge on the browser without the addon page being hugely bigger than the screen and not scalable... but, nope thats a no can do... :'( | 12:58 |
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| Pawky | Woud it be possible to cram in the Android XPrivacy app into the alien dalvik installation? It uses the exposed framwork and stuff... | 12:59 |
| PaulePanter | Hi. Visiting <http://wingwheels.com/> causes the Web browser in my Jolla phone to crash. | 13:00 |
| HtheB | mariod: HERE works just fine over here | 13:01 |
| Pawky | HtheB: is there an official release of the android HERE app, or is it still the beta that counts?= | 13:01 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: throw it up on together | 13:01 |
| HtheB | i dont know if its already out of beta | 13:02 |
| HtheB | but you can download it from the Play store | 13:02 |
| flux | woohoo, android sound quality improvements | 13:02 |
| HtheB | if you do not want to use play store, you can also use Evozi | 13:03 |
| Pawky | last you had to get it through aptoid i believe.. | 13:03 |
| HtheB | Pawky: no. | 13:04 |
| Pawky | yes | 13:04 |
| HtheB | it was just from the website of Nokia Here itself | 13:04 |
| HtheB | and from Play store | 13:04 |
| Pawky | oh... you mean the offline able version? | 13:04 |
| mariod | back ... sorry ... was also on a short stretch break ... | 13:04 |
| HtheB | yes :p | 13:04 |
| mariod | HtheB, ... lucky you :) | 13:04 |
| HtheB | mariod: why cant you install it? | 13:04 |
| mariod | well ... i am sorry but i have no idea why ... | 13:05 |
| HtheB | I know i had some trouble with android installation | 13:05 |
| HtheB | have you got any other android apps? | 13:05 |
| mariod | i reported everything i could ... ask away some more questions and maybe we can find out what to do :) | 13:05 |
| Pawky | HtheB: i ama bit confused, its still only the android version that has offline function right, or have they fixed a Jolla native one now? :-) | 13:05 |
| mariod | no i have not tried to install any other android app yet | 13:05 |
| HtheB | mariod: Ah! there is your solution! | 13:05 |
| HtheB | go to the Jolla store, and download any android app, like for instance the Amazon app | 13:06 |
| mariod | errr ... pardon? ... i don't understand HtheB | 13:06 |
| HtheB | after that, open that app. | 13:06 |
| HtheB | and after THAT, you can install apk files ;) | 13:06 |
| HtheB | Pawky: what do you mean ? | 13:06 |
| mariod | Pawky, ? | 13:06 |
| mariod | Pawky, ... i've tried the Sailfish version ... | 13:06 |
| HtheB | mariod: he's talking to me | 13:07 |
| Pawky | HtheB: the sailfish version does not use offline maps.. | 13:07 |
| mariod | it doesn't work as well as the android version i've been told | 13:07 |
| HtheB | Pawky: i know, thats why mariod wants to use the android version... :) | 13:07 |
| mariod | HtheB, sorry | 13:07 |
| mariod | well it's one of the reasons HtheB :) | 13:07 |
| HtheB | and it has turn by turn navigation :p | 13:07 |
| Jope | mariod, as said by HtheB and myself, install ANY android app from the jolla store | 13:07 |
| mariod | Morpog_PC told me that it's working better too | 13:07 |
| Jope | aptoide for example | 13:08 |
| Pawky | why doesn't jolla fix the issue with the original version?... beats me.. | 13:08 |
| mariod | can't "we" help Jolla out? | 13:08 |
| mariod | i thought this was an open source project !? | 13:08 |
| Pawky | i installed the beta version from aptoide. | 13:08 |
| HtheB | oh so you did open up an android app? | 13:08 |
| mariod | i don't know much about programming yet sooo ... all i can offer to help you or Jolla with at the moment would be e.g. translating stuff from English to German :) | 13:08 |
| Pawky | HtheB: LOL | 13:08 |
| mariod | as i know both languages | 13:09 |
| Pawky | yes, thats why I am wondering what I am piping out to the dark side of the internet as of speaking.. | 13:09 |
| Pawky | and why there are no ways to control it on the very phone that speaks security | 13:09 |
| mariod | HtheB, ... i will install another android app ... one moment please ... need to find one that i could maybe need | 13:09 |
| HtheB | mariod: just pick any app please | 13:10 |
| HtheB | like Jope and I said, just download the Aptoide, or Amazon app store | 13:10 |
| HtheB | from the official Jolla store | 13:10 |
| mariod | i see ... any app will do ... got you :) ... my bad! | 13:10 |
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| Jope | yep, I never bothered figuring out what was stopping android support from starting and I usually install aptoide anyway :-) | 13:12 |
| Jope | but it is a fact that it doesn't start if you have no APKs on the deviecs | 13:12 |
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| mariod | but i do have an APK on my device | 13:13 |
| Jope | but is it an installed apk | 13:13 |
| Jope | it can't be just anywhere | 13:13 |
| Jope | it needs to be in the android dir for apks (data/app) | 13:13 |
| HtheB | Jope: no | 13:13 |
| Jope | yep | 13:13 |
| HtheB | no | 13:13 |
| Jope | so it is not relevant to this discussion.. (?) | 13:13 |
| mariod | please don't argue | 13:13 |
| HtheB | indeed :D | 13:13 |
| mariod | also ... i just read three commentaries ... | 13:13 |
| HtheB | Jope: if you have an "installable" apk, it can be anywhere you want | 13:14 |
| mariod | they say "aptoide" is slow or apps run slow ... something like that | 13:14 |
| HtheB | but you cant install them, unless you opened up an android app before | 13:14 |
| mariod | well i moved the apk-file i got to my downloads-folder | 13:14 |
| Jope | HtheB, yes, but if android support isn't running, how will you install it | 13:14 |
| HtheB | mariod: have you installed any android app from the Jolla store now? | 13:14 |
| HtheB | Jope: thats why you need to run any app at least once on your device ever:p | 13:14 |
| mariod | aptoide is free software i also read | 13:14 |
| mariod | HtheB, ... almost ... the installation of "aptoide" is running | 13:15 |
| mariod | and it's done | 13:15 |
| mariod | what now? | 13:15 |
| HtheB | you really love dots dont you? | 13:15 |
| HtheB | open up Aptoid | 13:15 |
| HtheB | Aptoide* | 13:15 |
| mariod | i do :D *chuckle* | 13:15 |
| Jope | .. or just try to install the here apk from a file browser | 13:15 |
| Jope | or transfers or where-ever ou can see it.. | 13:15 |
| mariod | Jope, that is what i tried :) | 13:15 |
| HtheB | did the app opened? | 13:15 |
| Jope | mariod, but you didn't have android support running | 13:16 |
| mariod | i tried installing the apk-file via kari file browser | 13:16 |
| Jope | mariod, now you do that you installed aptoide from the jolla sore | 13:16 |
| Jope | mariod, now you can install apks manually | 13:16 |
| Jope | mariod, but not before. | 13:16 |
| mariod | slow down please ... i've installed this "aptoide"-thing ... | 13:16 |
| HtheB | after you've opened up aptoide, close the app, and then install the apk from your filebrowser | 13:16 |
| Jope | yay | 13:16 |
| mariod | and it launched | 13:16 |
| HtheB | read my last message :) | 13:16 |
| Jope | yep, you don't need it for anything else than getting android support running | 13:16 |
| Jope | of course feel free to use it later if you want to browse their collection of apps | 13:17 |
| mariod | weird ... this feature should be implemented into "android support" i think | 13:17 |
| HtheB | beats me.. | 13:17 |
| Jope | I agree, there is a chicken/egg problem here | 13:17 |
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| PaulePanter | ikarus: Sorry, I won’t use non-standard Webplatforms. | 13:17 |
| mariod | but that isn't a problem really | 13:17 |
| Jope | yep | 13:17 |
| mariod | the chicken was always here first :) | 13:17 |
| Jope | not a big problem 'cause you can solve it just by installing any android app from the jolla store | 13:17 |
| PaulePanter | Bugzilla or GitHub is enough if you really have to use something different from a mailing list in my opinion. | 13:18 |
| mariod | interesting ... a new window i've never seen before ... | 13:18 |
| HtheB | just press install and you're done | 13:18 |
| HtheB | have fun | 13:18 |
| Jope | .. because you didn't have android support running yet | 13:18 |
| Jope | ;-) | 13:18 |
| HtheB | AmadeusXNet_: you there? | 13:18 |
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| mariod | the here-app wants to know a lot of stuff | 13:19 |
| Jope | mm mm | 13:19 |
| AmadeusXNet_ | HtheB: yes | 13:19 |
| Jope | it wants permissions mmmmm | 13:19 |
| mariod | but i've been told that Nokia are good folks too | 13:19 |
| mariod | like the permissions there ... | 13:19 |
| Jope | this is the same with any android app that is better than hello world unfortunately | 13:19 |
| mariod | they want to know how often i call my parents :D | 13:19 |
| Jope | yes, They Know | 13:19 |
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| Jope | otoh it's no different to any other smartphone platform | 13:20 |
| mariod | *shrug* | 13:20 |
| Jope | apps can access stuff.. | 13:20 |
| mariod | i've never had a smartphone :) | 13:20 |
| Pawky | has anyone succeeded to install adblock into the browser, if so how did you get passed th huge window for the settings? | 13:20 |
| Jope | android likes to scare you by showing what the app gets access to before you install it | 13:20 |
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| mariod | well i am glad it does do this scare :) | 13:20 |
| Jope | then after the first 10 apps you stop caring and just hit install | 13:20 |
| the_mgt | it's like windows | 13:20 |
| Jope | and it was a useless scary notice that no-one gives a damn about | 13:20 |
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| Pawky | until NSA nocks on your door that is... or the SWAT team... | 13:21 |
| Pawky | then you start caring again.. | 13:21 |
| the_mgt | where you have to press ok for everything | 13:21 |
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| mariod | i know what you mean Pawky :) | 13:21 |
| Pawky | the_mgt: if its to my comment, that might be, but there is no button as its outside the screen | 13:21 |
| Pawky | and you cannot resize it.. | 13:21 |
| Pawky | mariod: NSA knows as well :-) | 13:22 |
| mariod | oh i'm sure they know all of us already :) | 13:22 |
| Pawky | does anyone know what the first blog on the swedish version of NSA, the FRA was? :-) | 13:22 |
| Pawky | "follow us, because we follow you" :-D | 13:22 |
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| mariod | *chuckle* | 13:23 |
| Pawky | no.. wait that was the swedish secret police.. but its the same :-D | 13:23 |
| Pawky | yes, that is hilarious | 13:23 |
| the_mgt | mariod: nope, i was referring to the app access info stuff on android | 13:23 |
| Pawky | so.. no one has ever installed any adblocker into the Jolla browser? | 13:24 |
| Pawky | :-/ | 13:24 |
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| mariod | Pawky, i'm new to everything ... i haven't done much yet :) | 13:24 |
| flux | so it appears the new release comes with openvpn. I suppose it's a smart move to remove warehouse-installed openvpn first?-) | 13:24 |
| mariod | do you use "here" Pawky ? | 13:24 |
| flux | ..or did it always come with openvpn.. | 13:24 |
| Pawky | mariod: yes :-) | 13:24 |
| HtheB | Pawky: just use WebPirate, it has build in adblocker | 13:24 |
| Pawky | HtheB: which is? | 13:24 |
| mariod | ok ... that is some relief :) | 13:25 |
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| mariod | here is installing ... | 13:25 |
| Pawky | the beta HERE they spoke about on the jollatides site, downloaded from aptoid | 13:25 |
| mariod | any idea how long it will need? | 13:25 |
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| Pawky | mariod: like a meter or two... | 13:25 |
| Pawky | an inch give and take.. | 13:25 |
| mariod | *chuckle* | 13:25 |
| Pawky | B-) | 13:25 |
| HtheB | which is what Pawky ? | 13:25 |
| Jope | I got the final android here from aptoide | 13:25 |
| Pawky | webpirate, never heard of | 13:26 |
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| mariod | would you please excuse me for a brief time again? ... the kitchen's calling | 13:26 |
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| Pawky | mariod: its an IRC channel, you dont really need to announce such things.. | 13:27 |
| Jope | yes, just go | 13:27 |
| Jope | :-) | 13:27 |
| Pawky | lol | 13:27 |
| Jope | no need to notify | 13:27 |
| HtheB | Pawky: you fail | 13:27 |
| mariod | well ... maybe on here ... but there are some other channels where people are asked to announce it :) | 13:27 |
| Jope | really.. | 13:27 |
| Jope | makes me want to spend less time on freenode if this is a thing over here :-D | 13:27 |
| Pawky | well, of course one could say brb , but one doesnt need to excuse oneself for it.. | 13:28 |
| HtheB | Pawky: get it from Warehouse and install webpirate.... | 13:28 |
| Pawky | its not a sin to have a life outside the IRC channel ;-) | 13:28 |
| mariod | and i guess since i try treating you all better than i would want to be treated ... | 13:28 |
| Jope | Pawky, you sure? I get the feeling that it is insulting towards the holy irc ;-) | 13:28 |
| Pawky | HtheB: sounds scary, to little info about it.. | 13:28 |
| HtheB | Pawky: seriously, get a life | 13:29 |
| mariod | i tend to announce such stuff :) | 13:29 |
| mariod | sooo ... see you in a few bits :) | 13:29 |
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| Pawky | HtheB: ok, got a life, now what am I supposed to do with it?... | 13:29 |
| * HtheB ignores | 13:29 | |
| Pawky | so much for a life then, only being ignored... | 13:29 |
| Pawky | or ignorant.. | 13:30 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: what is outside? | 13:30 |
| Pawky | chem|st: not much, milions of companies, and governments wanting to know what I am doing... online.. | 13:30 |
| chem|st | then I better stay here | 13:30 |
| Pawky | chem|st: lol | 13:31 |
| politie | paranoid | 13:31 |
| Pawky | politie: <--- yeah | 13:31 |
| Pawky | especially the dutch ones.. | 13:31 |
| politie | im not watching | 13:31 |
| politie | im logging | 13:31 |
| Pawky | lol | 13:31 |
| politie | ;) | 13:32 |
| Pawky | :-D | 13:32 |
| Pawky | I though GCHQ did that for you.. | 13:32 |
| Pawky | all for one, one for all.. | 13:32 |
| HtheB | Pawky: whatsup with the dutch police? | 13:32 |
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| politie | haha | 13:33 |
| Pawky | HtheB: ask politie... lol | 13:33 |
| politie | AIVD baby | 13:33 |
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| HtheB | i see.... | 13:36 |
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| HtheB | so AIVD has also arrived at #jollamobile.. bad news | 13:36 |
| trigpoint_jolla | Updated to 1.1.2.16 yesterday, have been having problems with ssh and streaming connections dropping every few minutes, anyone else seen this issue? | 13:37 |
| trigpoint_jolla | Stated happening today, both fail together | 13:38 |
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| Pawky | nope, on the contrary, swithing between two languages on the keyboard is working again, yihaa :-) | 13:46 |
| marid_break | alright ... i'm back | 13:47 |
| trigpoint_jolla | it could be ee playing up, native irc is disconnecting too, but reconnecting automatically | 13:48 |
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| mariod | here says i should register | 13:48 |
| mariod | is that normal too? | 13:48 |
| Pawky | mariod: you can use mailinator :-) | 13:48 |
| Pawky | www.mailinator.com | 13:48 |
| Pawky | excellent service | 13:48 |
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| Pawky | mariod: as most program ar cloacked spyprograms wanting to be able to identify you, i say yes, its normal | 13:49 |
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| mariod | so i take it you used this mailinator-thing to register HERE? | 13:50 |
| Pawky | but of course :-) | 13:50 |
| Pawky | i use it all the time | 13:50 |
| mariod | but if they're the good guys too ... why not use a proper email address? | 13:51 |
| Pawky | whenever some "¤!! program wants to have some e-mail i happily give them some random one on maillinator. | 13:51 |
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| Pawky | mariod: if they where good guys, they shouldnt ask in the first place. | 13:51 |
| mariod | well ... so far i've only registered a few computer programs i use ... and i created an extra email address given to me by my ISP | 13:51 |
| Pawky | and, a mailinator is a proper email address.. just a bit anonymous | 13:52 |
| mariod | i see ... i read there that it says ... | 13:52 |
| mariod | every email address is owned by everyone ... | 13:52 |
| Pawky | mariod: :-) | 13:53 |
| Pawky | yes, and everybody = nobody :-) | 13:53 |
| Pawky | great isnt it? | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | there's a similar one for mobile phone numbers | 13:54 |
| mariod | oh really? | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | although the number itself is fixed | 13:54 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: tell me :-) | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | i cna't remembre... search for it | 13:54 |
| mariod | please tell us :) ... sounds interesting too | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | i found one for the uk | 13:54 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: the ones I know of are mostly blacklisted | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | i didn't try it myself | 13:54 |
| Pawky | never got those to work unfortunately | 13:54 |
| Pawky | i have tried most of them, to no avail | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | oh, shame | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | maybe not as good as it sounds then | 13:54 |
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| Pawky | not the mobile phone ones.. unluckily... but I hope someone solves it someday | 13:55 |
| mariod | i didn't know such a thing exists ... and wouldn't even know properly how to search for things like that | 13:55 |
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| ikarus | damn, Pebble Time Steel announced | 13:55 |
| Pawky | mariod: just ask, and I tell | 13:55 |
| trigpoint_jolla | mariod: Registering on irc is only setting a password, no email | 13:55 |
| mariod | well ... what if you don't know the question itself as well? | 13:55 |
| mariod | brb again ... someone on the door | 13:56 |
| ikarus | now I need to talk myself out of needing one | 13:56 |
| Pawky | mariod: then you will be in the claws of all those predators.. who suck your internet blood dry.. | 13:56 |
| Pawky | ikarus: check battery life.. | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | something like these http://voip.about.com/od/security/tp/AnonymousNumberServices.htm | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | but like Pawky says, they may be blacklisted already | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | probably easier to have a few throw away simcards | 13:57 |
| mariod | ikarus, ... i have no idea why or what you're cursing :) | 13:57 |
| ikarus | Pawky: 7 and 10 days, irrelevant | 13:58 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: hmm.. it was a while ago i last checked, will have a look at it :-) | 13:58 |
| Pawky | ikarus: well, then youre good to go.. for 7-10 days :-) | 13:58 |
| Pawky | afterwards, you are gone.. at least time wise... :-D | 13:59 |
| mariod | trigpoint_jolla, ... we weren't talking about registering an IRC-account this time ... | 13:59 |
| Pawky | mariod: security, and integrety is like time, once its gone, you will never get it back.. | 13:59 |
| mariod | i have finally succeeded in installing "here" | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | i'll try theoretically if i hypotethically want to enable one of my alleged multiple fb accounts | 13:59 |
| mariod | and it asks me to register an account | 13:59 |
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| Pawky | mariod: so.. register a mailinator account, if they have blocked mailinator, just search for one of its aliases | 14:00 |
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| mariod | i think i will Pawky :) | 14:01 |
| mariod | buuut ... | 14:01 |
| mariod | another question here first ... | 14:01 |
| mariod | i just went with "testing it for free" ... | 14:02 |
| mariod | and when i selected "download maps" ... | 14:02 |
| Pawky | well, then you cannot download any maps | 14:02 |
| mariod | it only lists my phone's internal memory as memory | 14:02 |
| mariod | why not the memory card? | 14:02 |
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| Pawky | is it mounted? | 14:02 |
| Pawky | oh.. yeah... you have to do stuff to get the maps onto the sd card | 14:03 |
| sakustar | Pawky: did you figure out adblocking? | 14:03 |
| mariod | isn't it automatically? ... i mean ... when i open up Kari's file browser i can see it | 14:03 |
| Pawky | if i dont remember wrongly the alien dalvik cqannot reach the sd card | 14:03 |
| Pawky | sakustar: nope.. | 14:03 |
| Pawky | i would like to use the well known adblock edge if possible | 14:04 |
| mariod | the funny thing is you see ... here asked for access to the memory card before i hit install | 14:04 |
| Pawky | mariod: istn the kari browser a native app? | 14:04 |
| Pawky | it speaks about your internal memory | 14:04 |
| mariod | native as in pre-installed? | 14:04 |
| sakustar | oh webpirate is a browser app | 14:04 |
| Pawky | native as built for the jolla OS | 14:04 |
| mariod | oh ... ok ... well yes :) | 14:05 |
| Pawky | sakustar: what I thought it was.. | 14:05 |
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| sakustar | Pawky: you can always write into the hosts file? :p | 14:05 |
| mariod | it's the only file browser i found when i looked for one after i got the phone | 14:05 |
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| Pawky | mariod: you can make android point upon the sd card, but it can seriously (read SERIOUSLY) f... up your android installation | 14:05 |
| Pawky | mariod: yes, and thats the one you should use, as its the native one. | 14:05 |
| sakustar | i got a 11k line hosts file on my android phone :( | 14:06 |
| Pawky | thats huge | 14:06 |
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| mariod | i see Pawky | 14:06 |
| mariod | is that bad sakustar ? | 14:06 |
| Pawky | well.. its huge for being a hosts file | 14:06 |
| sakustar | not really. needs more lines to block finnish ads still but | 14:07 |
| Pawky | but then again, shouldnt slow things down to much, but who wants to add stuff manually? | 14:07 |
| sakustar | just takes a while longer to boot | 14:07 |
| mariod | well i don't know what that is sooo i'm sorry that i have to ask :) | 14:07 |
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| Pawky | longer to boot? | 14:07 |
| Pawky | doubt that | 14:07 |
| sakustar | on android it does :0 | 14:07 |
| mariod | how big are here-maps? | 14:07 |
| sakustar | dunno why | 14:07 |
| Pawky | they can be biiiig | 14:07 |
| Pawky | sakustar: some app trying nasty things?... but cannot reach due to you pointing to localhost? | 14:08 |
| mariod | was also asking because the Jolla after all only has a 16 gb internal memory | 14:08 |
| mariod | and according to what i just read ... i only have about 11 gb left | 14:08 |
| the_mgt | there is a method on tjc which alledgedly tells you how to share parts of your sdcard with aliendalvik | 14:09 |
| sakustar | here maps can take over 1 gb per country | 14:09 |
| mariod | even though i haven't really installed that much stuff ... but i guess the OS takes away some space too :D | 14:09 |
| sakustar | atleast on wp8 | 14:09 |
| sakustar | i have 14.3 gb left after installing sailfish patches and a few android programs :o | 14:09 |
| sakustar | but its the 2nd day the phone is on | 14:10 |
| mariod | odd ... how come i have so little left? | 14:10 |
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| mariod | all i have at the moment is Kari file browser | 14:10 |
| mariod | the terminal | 14:10 |
| mariod | android support | 14:10 |
| mariod | aptoide | 14:10 |
| sakustar | android apps probably fill space with cache etc | 14:10 |
| mariod | and the alarm clock | 14:10 |
| sakustar | my chrome on android 4.4.2 was almost 2 gb | 14:10 |
| mariod | oh yes ... and now "here" :) | 14:10 |
| sakustar | after a year or so ;) | 14:11 |
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| mariod | which brings me to something else ... | 14:11 |
| mariod | is there some tool that i need to run that deletes garbage and things that aren't important (any more) ? | 14:11 |
| mariod | i'm just asking because i don't know if it's normal that i now only have 11 gb left | 14:12 |
| sakustar | if you have photos and stuff they take up space :) | 14:14 |
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| mariod | well i don't :) ... only the ones pre-installed | 14:16 |
| mariod | no wait ... | 14:16 |
| mariod | i already moved them to my backup :) | 14:16 |
| mariod | sooo no ... not there any more :) | 14:16 |
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| mariod | alright then ... i will register "here" later ... thanks again for your help ... i'll be back in a few more bits ... | 14:23 |
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| trigpoint | Looks like my problem was EE gremlns, not jolla | 14:48 |
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| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E39WWj_RpBc | 14:50 |
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| chem|st | mariod_|_break: if you want to use android"maps" on your phone you should consider to move the android "media" folder onto a sdcard | 16:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | kudos to sledges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChGgmdvqhw | 16:19 |
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| tadzik | oh, it shows SFOS2 running on the jolla phone too | 16:26 |
| tadzik | awesome | 16:26 |
| tadzik | I really like the changes | 16:26 |
| Morpog_PC | the tmo guys already start to panic again about the changes :D | 16:27 |
| tadzik | heheh | 16:27 |
| tadzik | differences, nooooooo ;P | 16:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i imagine patch manager | 16:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | situation app integrated | 16:27 |
| tadzik | oh? | 16:27 |
| tadzik | oh, imagine | 16:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | timed ambiance profiles | 16:28 |
| tadzik | in recommended there's another video on sfos2 itself | 16:28 |
| tadzik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-w5jIxySM the one | 16:28 |
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| tadzik | interestingly, it has no app shortcuts on the main screen | 16:30 |
| chem|st | tadzik: differences? I am more about being "like" android | 16:30 |
| tadzik | I wonder if that is supposed to encourage people to never close them | 16:30 |
| chem|st | tadzik: you like having to swipe twice to go to the events-view? | 16:31 |
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| tadzik | twice from where? | 16:32 |
| chem|st | we are asking to have more on the events-view for over a year now, now that we get what we asked for the global gesture gets sacrificed | 16:32 |
| chem|st | tadzik: in app you need to minimize first | 16:32 |
| tadzik | ah, indeed | 16:32 |
| chem|st | I have most apps always open as this is multitasking so what do I need a launcher on the hotseat for? | 16:33 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm shocked that homescreen seems to be fixed at portrait on phone | 16:33 |
| Morpog_PC | would be a letdown for TOHKBD owners | 16:33 |
| tadzik | I keep those on the hotseat that I don't need often, but I don't like looking for them, like Phone or Messages | 16:33 |
| chem|st | tadzik: I am talking about the global gesture for launcher, not the favourits | 16:34 |
| tadzik | especially since my experience with 4 open apps is a lot better than with >4, and if you go >9 some of them are outright unreachable | 16:34 |
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| tadzik | ah | 16:34 |
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| tadzik | yeah, good point | 16:34 |
| tadzik | usually when I need to switch from one app to another I do it from homescreen, since this kind of switching is bound to happen a few times | 16:35 |
| tadzik | browser-messages-browser-music-browser or so | 16:35 |
| chem|st | there are simple ways to get around those questions or call it shortcomings, one is a zoom out gesture on home-screen to show all running apps scrollable for example | 16:35 |
| tadzik | or rather s/browser/quickditt/g | 16:35 |
| tadzik | yep | 16:35 |
| tadzik | I wonder if the fact that you now have to upswipe for app list is there so you can actually scroll the homescreen | 16:36 |
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| chem|st | but there are better ways than that... | 16:37 |
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| tadzik | such as? | 16:38 |
| chem|st | it is a multitouch device... | 16:38 |
| chem|st | the UI was designed gesture based | 16:38 |
| tadzik | I don't see how that suddenly makes swiping obsolete | 16:39 |
| chem|st | so what is the logic answer to something like that? buttons on covers isn't one | 16:39 |
| tadzik | zooming out will make the app covers even more unreadable and unclickable | 16:39 |
| tadzik | I'd rather have a few "screens" of them, with preassigned positions | 16:39 |
| chem|st | tadzik: it is a 330dpi screen, do you know how much you could zoom out until something looks ugly? | 16:40 |
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| tadzik | oh, you're going about the tablet | 16:40 |
| tadzik | I'm thinking in terms of 2.0 on the phone, I don't care for the tablet too much | 16:40 |
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| tadzik | also, personally, I find small things hard to read no matter how good the DPI is, but maybe that's just me | 16:41 |
| chem|st | same for the phone, reduce the spacing a bit so you can hav slightly larger covers | 16:42 |
| chem|st | it is covers... do you want to read a webpage on a cover? | 16:42 |
| tadzik | no, why would i | 16:43 |
| tadzik | but I like seeing a song name, or a calendar entry | 16:43 |
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| chem|st | also how about to let the user decide how many covers to see (like on N9) and have two finger scroll for moving around | 16:43 |
| tadzik | I'd be okay with that | 16:43 |
| chem|st | in general I would set launcher on a two-finger pull up globally but have a developer flag to turn it off in apps | 16:44 |
| Lieke | i like being able to use the phone with one hand | 16:45 |
| ShawnMcCool | one hand please | 16:45 |
| ShawnMcCool | people with small hands can't sometimes, though ;) | 16:45 |
| chem|st | how about pull the favourit-bar then? | 16:46 |
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| tadzik | for me 4.5 is too big for one hand anyway, and I don't have the smallest hands :) | 16:46 |
| tadzik | I can't reach all 4 corners with my thumb while holding the phone firmly | 16:46 |
| chem|st | or as we loose the ambience switcher... there are side-swipes! | 16:46 |
| chem|st | ShawnMcCool: Lieke there is a solution to that problem without destroying the "clean" and "buttonless" design | 16:47 |
| chem|st | or sacrifice one hand use | 16:48 |
| ShawnMcCool | i need more experience with the device to have an opinion | 16:48 |
| ShawnMcCool | but, i definitely need to be using my thumb "mostly" | 16:48 |
| Lieke | yeah, side-swipes could work | 16:49 |
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| Tegu | well, the apps start to get killed with a few apps open already.. | 16:49 |
| chem|st | and then open it like an app that can be scrolled left right... instead of changing direction to up down | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | Tegu: that is a oom-killer issue and I consider the whole idea of oom-killer a bad example of curing symptoms instead of disease | 16:51 |
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| chem|st | what happened to proper swapping? | 16:52 |
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| chem|st | sacrifice apps for pretending to have a slick and fast UI... | 16:53 |
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| PaulePanter | Looks like the Sailfish OS downloaded the update over UMTS despite I’m being in a WLAN. :( | 17:04 |
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| tadzik | uhhh | 17:06 |
| mariod_|_break | a d | 17:07 |
| mariod_|_break | and back | 17:07 |
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| mariod | chem|st, ... i got your message ... | 17:07 |
| mariod | i would do that but someone said before that android and something with memory card ... leads to breaking the system | 17:07 |
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| mariod | PaulePanter, ? | 17:09 |
| mariod | there's some settings in system i think | 17:09 |
| mariod | that says ... download updates via wlan only | 17:09 |
| chem|st | mariod: who said that? the only thing I know is broken is uSD MTP export | 17:10 |
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| mariod | trying to remember ... chem|st | 17:11 |
| mariod | all i remember for sure is ... someone on here gave a warning | 17:12 |
| mariod | so you say it's working for you chem|st ? | 17:12 |
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| chem|st | I wrote the howto for btrfs on sdcard... | 17:13 |
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| mariod | i think it'd be a nice thing for sure if all the android stuff like map data would be stored in a folder on the memory card | 17:13 |
| mariod | and maybe other stuff as well :) | 17:14 |
| chem|st | as long as you are "safe" with a terminal you should be ok | 17:14 |
| mariod | there's a saying ... | 17:14 |
| mariod | the / a terminal is not your enemy :) | 17:14 |
| mariod | i may not know that much yet ... but i'm willing to learn :) | 17:14 |
| chem|st | best idea is think before you do | 17:15 |
| mariod | in other words ... i'm not a professional techie like a bunch of other people i've seen here :) | 17:15 |
| mariod | don't worry ... i usually do that :) | 17:15 |
| chem|st | if you do not understand a command, google it before you do something with it | 17:15 |
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| mariod | that's what i usually do too ... and if i don't use a search engine i ask someone :) | 17:15 |
| chem|st | mariod: do you have an editor of choice on your terminal? | 17:16 |
| mariod | on the Jolla? | 17:16 |
| chem|st | well in general | 17:16 |
| chem|st | don't know what is available for jolla as I use vim and that is available ;) | 17:17 |
| mariod | :) well ... no ... i don't have any favorite / prefered editor ... yet | 17:17 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/40802 | 17:17 |
| mariod | i'm still learning various stuff ... and so far i didn't need one yet often :) | 17:18 |
| chem|st | there is the how to, best is you ssh onto your device | 17:18 |
| chem|st | and you will need an cli texteditor | 17:19 |
| mariod | that could be a problem i think ... i'm currently forced to use a windows machine here ... | 17:19 |
| mariod | and have to wait till i get an external hard disk ... then i can finally dual boot with linux :) | 17:19 |
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| chem|st | ssh for windows is called putty -> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html first item | 17:20 |
| mariod | but thanks for the link and guide ... and hopefully you'll be here for some longer time ... that way we (people on here and me) can ask you some stuff about it if we have some more questions :) | 17:20 |
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| chem|st | I will go home now but I will be on later tonight, if you got questions just ask here (highlight me) or query and wait for my response | 17:21 |
| mariod | well with "longer time" i meant that i hope you will still be here in the days and <bigger unit for time> to come :) | 17:22 |
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| mariod | one question already though please ... does this cancle my warranty? | 17:22 |
| mariod | am asking because i got the phone about two months or so ago ... can't remember right now | 17:23 |
| chem|st | in general everything that can be recovered by a factory reset does not void your warranty | 17:23 |
| chem|st | if you delete btrfs partitions especially the bootfs that voids your warranty and is your own fault, is like 25eur plus shipping to get it reflashed at optima | 17:24 |
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| mariod | i see ... well like i said i'm new to all this ... i didn't know what the warranty says about this :) | 17:26 |
| chem|st | for the if I be around question, my client is idling 24/7 but there are times I am actually here^^ | 17:26 |
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| mariod | alright :) ... and you said i can leave you messages in a query too ... i will do that too when needed ... thanks for the offer :) | 17:27 |
| chem|st | developer mode does not void your warranty per se | 17:27 |
| chem|st | bb | 17:27 |
| mariod | laters! :) | 17:27 |
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| HtheB | I think I've triggered the guys at Pebble by showing the OH concept of Jolla... | 17:37 |
| HtheB | triggered to give them ideas | 17:37 |
| mariod | what kind of ideas? | 17:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | good work HtheB | 17:38 |
| HtheB | :P | 17:38 |
| HtheB | they have the same concept of the "OH" now | 17:39 |
| HtheB | I mailed the guys a year ago, and they told me that they were interested in it | 17:39 |
| mariod | i have no idea what you're talking about :) ... but if it is a good thing ... i'm happy for you then :) | 17:39 |
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| HtheB | stop using dots mariod | 17:40 |
| mariod | sorry :) what do you prefer i should do seperate some sentences? :) | 17:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | a comma? | 17:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | "Smart Straps" interesting | 17:43 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 17:47 |
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| HtheB | so the mail that I got from them was not a lie :) | 17:48 |
| HtheB | (that was a year ago) | 17:48 |
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| messerting | Hi, in opt-in upgrade 1.1.0.38 we had "Attempting to view events (via swipe-up gesture on the lock screen) while the device is locked now brings up the device lock keypad to allow unlocking the device" | 17:51 |
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| messerting | In the current opt-in upgrade this feature is gone | 17:52 |
| messerting | Can anyone confirm? | 17:52 |
| Tegu | what happens instead? (haven't opted in) | 17:53 |
| messerting | I have 1.1.2.16, and if the device lock is active, and I peak on notifications and try to press on a notification, the notification screen goes away | 17:53 |
| messerting | So I do this: Notice I got an notification, double-tap to wake screen, peak on notifications, try to press the notification, but must instead enter lock code, then swipe to get the lock screen, and then press the notification. | 17:55 |
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| messerting | In 1.1.0.38, we could peak on notification, press the notification, then enter code, and get directly to the notification target. | 17:55 |
| messerting | Sad regression. | 17:56 |
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| messerting | typo in my previous comment: " then swipe to get the lock screen" should be " then swipe to get the notification screen" | 17:57 |
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| coderus | messerting: can't confirm | 18:58 |
| messerting | coderus: thanks. So: you have lock code active, you triple tap on power to make the code active. Then double tap to wake screen, slide from below and up, and release finger. Notifications does not go away? | 19:00 |
| coderus | messerting: i'm not triple tap, i have devicelock with no timeout | 19:01 |
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| coderus | messerting: after peeking notifications devicelock is appear | 19:02 |
| coderus | and after entering code i can click on notifications | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | https://twitter.com/AgileArtem/status/572829611450626048/photo/1 | 19:02 |
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| Hartzi | haha :D | 19:07 |
| Hartzi | nice one | 19:07 |
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| phlixi_ | Hi there ;-) What is your approach in the following scenario: You are reading something in the Jolla browser, then you arrive at home and want to read the rest of the page on a different device (laptop/tablet etc). So essentially, you need to transfer the URL, what do you do? | 19:24 |
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| phlixi_ | often it seems to be the fastest, to google the title, maybe with some parts of the URL. Google usually works pretty well for that (even corrects typo etc). Any better solutions? (And occasionally that does not work, because google has no index on it etc) | 19:27 |
| TemeV | copy paste the url and query it to myself in irc | 19:30 |
| phlixi_ | the other way i often use qr codes, works pretty well for me | 19:31 |
| phlixi_ | but emailing (irc/twitter/etc) the link to my self does not feel as satisfyingly to me as the qrcode thing | 19:32 |
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| phlixi_ | its always kinda bumpy | 19:33 |
| phlixi_ | essentially to many taps on the phone :-) | 19:33 |
| Lieke | there's sendtojolla in openrepos | 19:33 |
| phlixi_ | if it does what the name suggests, then its the wrong way | 19:34 |
| Lieke | i think it works both ways | 19:34 |
| phlixi_ | but i am looking for all ideas available, therefore currently checking https://openrepos.net/content/mkiol/send-jolla anyqay, thanks ;-) | 19:34 |
| TemeV | I once used app to merge clip boards of two PCs, maybe there is a way to use that with Jolla also | 19:35 |
| phlixi_ | Getting text from phone's clipboard <<= sounds promising! :-) | 19:35 |
| phlixi_ | (from the app description) | 19:36 |
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| mariod | guys ... some other question here if i may ... what do you think about the apps listed in this blog? ... are they really something someone with the Jolal should also check out? | 19:52 |
| mariod | link -> https://thomas-leister.de/android/empfehlenswerte-freie-android-apps-aus-dem-f-droid-store-foss/ <- | 19:52 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: I tried antennapod once on an android device, but was missing gpodder pretty fast there, go for https://openrepos.net/content/thp/gpodder | 19:54 |
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| phlixi_ | also barcoder, there is a nice qrcode reader in the jolla store ( i like the one with the orange icon) | 19:54 |
| phlixi_ | can not say much about the others | 19:55 |
| mariod | okaaay ... thanks for your feedback phlixi_ :) | 19:55 |
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| mariod | something else here too ... | 19:56 |
| phlixi_ | not sure if some of the other make sense on jolla, like you can simply edit the hosts file i guess | 19:56 |
| mariod | i remember that with the phone i had before i should wait till the battery was almost dead and then charge it again | 19:56 |
| mariod | or otherwise something like "memory effect" or whatever it's called will damage the battery | 19:56 |
| mariod | does Jolla have the same problem? | 19:57 |
| Nicd- | there is no memory effect with li-ion batteries | 19:57 |
| phlixi_ | i guess that information is outdated for the last 15 years or so... i heard lipo batteries like it most at 70% => charge early if you like | 19:57 |
| Nicd- | that is practically all batteries nowadays | 19:57 |
| mariod | ok ... well you can see now that i had a pretty old phone :D | 19:57 |
| mariod | *laughing* | 19:58 |
| Nicd- | li-ions like to be charged, in fact you should avoid using them all the way | 19:58 |
| Nicd- | the phone and battery's circuits will keep it from being discharged too much but if you completely use it and then leave it without charge for days, it might harm the battery life | 19:58 |
| mariod | okaaay ... well i had to ask ... was a bit worried because i had to plug in the Jolla a few times today to my computer to install some stuff ... like right now i downloaded and installed "f-droid" ... i read it's a nice source for open source apps :) | 19:58 |
| mariod | thanks for the info Nicd- | 19:59 |
| Nicd- | you don't have to care how much you charge li-ions | 19:59 |
| Nicd- | as long as you don't keep the phone charging 24/7 | 19:59 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: you might want to have a look at openrepos | 19:59 |
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| phlixi_ | mariod: https://openrepos.net | 19:59 |
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| mariod | but isn't that the store that cancles your warranty? | 20:00 |
| TemeV | no, but it might cancel your privacy | 20:00 |
| mariod | or am i mistaking it for something else? ... i am sorry i'm all new to this and i haven't really worked much with installation and configuration so far | 20:00 |
| phlixi_ | not sure if installing fdroid store is possible without enabling developer mode? might be possible, i dont know. but if not, its "worse" ;-) | 20:01 |
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| mariod | *shrug* well i had to activate developer mode yesterday ... | 20:01 |
| TemeV | there is no qa for openrepos, so there might be nasty stuff, but I haven't heard yet that there would be any | 20:01 |
| mariod | i tried to install the "here"-maps | 20:01 |
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| Nicd- | phlixi_: f-droid is just an apk. you can install it without dev mode | 20:02 |
| phlixi_ | ah, ok | 20:02 |
| phlixi_ | didnt remember | 20:02 |
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| mariod | phlixi_, ? ... what's this QR-thing called? ... i tried looking for it by searching for QR ... | 20:02 |
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| phlixi_ | but i guess you also have to check something like "allow potentionally evil apks from everywhere" | 20:03 |
| mariod | all i got was an app for bookmarks | 20:03 |
| TemeV | mariod: codereader is nice code reader app in jolla store | 20:03 |
| mariod | well ... i personally don't want apps from just everywhere ... i do want some trusted ressources :) | 20:03 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: it is called "CodeReader" and I am pretty sure I installed it from the jolla store | 20:04 |
| mariod | found it :) | 20:04 |
| mariod | please don't think of me as totally stupid but i don't even know for sure what all this is for :) | 20:05 |
| phlixi_ | thats no problem :-) | 20:05 |
| ortylp | after the update android apps lost access to sd card, is it a known issue? | 20:05 |
| mariod | i'm still in the process of learning stuff :) | 20:05 |
| mariod | ortylp, ? | 20:06 |
| mariod | chem|st, gave me this link ... | 20:06 |
| mariod | https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 20:06 |
| mariod | maybe this can help you too? | 20:06 |
| mariod | i have not followed the instructions yet | 20:06 |
| mariod | as i have to read some more on what all this actually does | 20:06 |
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| mariod | but this i was told helped others with android and memory card issues | 20:07 |
| mariod | also ... chem|st said they'd be back later (if they aren't already) | 20:07 |
| ortylp | mariod: I updated to 1.1.2.16 yesterday. with the previous version I have mounted the sdcard in such a way, that I could access it from Android apps, now it is gone | 20:08 |
| messerting | ortylp: I also have 1.1.2.16, I can test | 20:09 |
| messerting | which app? | 20:09 |
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| ortylp | messerting: no matter which. the whole dalvik gets barred from sdcard, in my case OSMAnd, in short: yesterday worked, today no any more | 20:10 |
| mariod | nice ... i also did this update :) | 20:10 |
| ortylp | OK, then I dive into shell to figure out what went wrong.... | 20:11 |
| mariod | TemeV, and phlixi_ ? | 20:11 |
| mariod | i found out what it does :) | 20:11 |
| phlixi_ | hm? | 20:11 |
| mariod | at least with one of the things :) | 20:11 |
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| mariod | i scanned in the QR-thingy i found on a box that contained a cd here ... | 20:12 |
| mariod | and i could then go to the manufacturer's website and order another cd if i wanted to :) | 20:12 |
| mariod | sooo i guess this is what it is for then eh? | 20:13 |
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| phlixi_ | mariod: i mostly use it with this: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/mobile-barcoder/ I hover my mouse in the browser over the button and get an qrcode | 20:13 |
| mariod | scanning a picture that redirects you to the internet to get some more information on a product you can buy for instance :) | 20:13 |
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| phlixi_ | mariod and sometimes i use that: http://www.heise.de/download/qr-code-generator-1185046.html (if its data that is not a currently surfed URL) | 20:14 |
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| mariod | hmmm ... | 20:15 |
| mariod | "erzeugt QR-Codes aus WLAN-Einstellungen" ... | 20:16 |
| mariod | *trying to understand that properly* ... | 20:16 |
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| mariod | how can wlan-configurations be saved as such a picture thingy? | 20:17 |
| mariod | i mean ... what is this? ... do you let's say type the password ... | 20:17 |
| mariod | create a picture out of the text ... | 20:17 |
| phlixi_ | more or less, yes | 20:17 |
| mariod | and then scan in on to the phone so that the password is on the phone then? | 20:17 |
| phlixi_ | WLAN settings is just an example | 20:18 |
| mariod | instead of giving away the password in plain text you give away the password in a picture ? | 20:18 |
| mariod | just trying to understand it ... it sure does sound interesting as well :) | 20:18 |
| mariod | thanks for that info | 20:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | its a method of having a really long WPA key without having to remember the whole thing | 20:19 |
| phlixi_ | then you might want to lookup http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code | 20:19 |
| r0kk3rz | my method is just having a really long random WPA key, because I can remember it and everyone else forgets it as soon as they hear it | 20:20 |
| phlixi_ | well, you can basically code every text into a barcode | 20:20 |
| mariod | okaaay ... interesting :) ... or like Spock said ... Fascinating ;) | 20:21 |
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| mariod | any (other) recommendations you or others can give about what to install? | 20:23 |
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| mariod | so far i've got "aptoide" ... was told i could get some android stuff there if needed ... plus it was the program that activates android on the phone ... | 20:23 |
| mariod | the alarm clock ... the terminal ... | 20:23 |
| mariod | calender ... documents ... | 20:24 |
| mariod | file browser ... | 20:24 |
| mariod | the weather thing that came with the update ... | 20:24 |
| mariod | and here maps :) | 20:24 |
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| mariod | i thought about getting a dictionary maybe ... | 20:24 |
| mariod | "dict.cc" has an app i saw | 20:24 |
| ortylp | mariod: aardict from fdroid | 20:25 |
| ortylp | mariod: http://aarddict.org | 20:25 |
| mariod | hmmm ... thank you ortylp ... but isn't that a wikipedia-reader? | 20:26 |
| ortylp | mariod: I have 20GB of Wikpedia (en/de/pl) and some dictionaries, all offline | 20:26 |
| mariod | or am i misunderstanding this? | 20:26 |
| mariod | 20 GB? ... wow! | 20:26 |
| mariod | i have not yet transfered all the stuff i'd like to be downloaded on to the memory card ... | 20:27 |
| ortylp | mariod: wikipedia or dictionary does not matter, just copy the files to your device and ready | 20:27 |
| mariod | looks like i should really look into chem|st's guide right now :D | 20:28 |
| mariod | ortylp, ... in some way it does matter ... wikipedia is an encyclopedia ... not a dictionary :) | 20:28 |
| ortylp | mariod: on all my devices 64GB sdcard is minimum, 20GB for wikipedia+dictionaries and additional 10GB+ for offline maps, that is for the start | 20:28 |
| mariod | 64 gb? | 20:28 |
| mariod | i thought jolla only allowed for 32 gb? | 20:28 |
| mariod | and internal memory is like 16 gb only | 20:28 |
| phlixi_ | well, one could argue if it is usefull to carry offline wikipedia around. in contrast i prefer to simply lookup online whati want | 20:29 |
| ortylp | mariod: I use wikipedia allso as dictionary, because all these three languages that I use are linked within aardict, you search for one word, get answers in three languages | 20:29 |
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| phlixi_ | i could imagine that those 20gb get outdated pretty fast | 20:30 |
| phlixi_ | ...what comes to my mind: https://what-if.xkcd.com/59/ :-) | 20:30 |
| ortylp | phlixi_: I never depend on online access, when you need it it is unavailable. for me per definition an app that requires network acces to work properly is broken by design | 20:30 |
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| phlixi_ | for exactly this reason, i carry a lot of audio on my sd card... i guess its preference... :-) | 20:31 |
| ortylp | phlixi_: it gets updated usually one a year, if you wish to compile these files yourself, daily updates were possible :D | 20:32 |
| ortylp | phlixi_: I do carrry audio... that is the queue of podcasts, that are waiting for my time to be listened to | 20:33 |
| mariod | :) | 20:33 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: as far as i know 32gb is officially supported. however i also use a 64gb card (and i would not recommend the btrfs guide if you are not familiar to the linux command line) | 20:34 |
| mariod | here's another thing ... do you know of any trustworthy cross-platform app [supporting iOS, android and preferably sailfish as well] that lets you communicate for free another person using this app? | 20:34 |
| mariod | with your voice, via text, by exchanging files ... stuff like that :) | 20:34 |
| mariod | phlixi_, ... i know a little bit about it and learnt something new again today phlixi_ :) | 20:35 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: i prefer threema, mostly because it is established in my peer group (and you can by the app on their site, without the need for google playstore or the like) | 20:35 |
| mariod | i may not be as experienced as people here but i'm willing to learn :) | 20:35 |
| ortylp | mariod: get jabber account, or run your own jabber (XMPP) server. that's it | 20:35 |
| phlixi_ | of course, if your "peers" have jabber, than thats prefered ;-) | 20:35 |
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| phlixi_ | but i guess you would not ask then | 20:35 |
| phlixi_ | of course there are clients for twitter and facebook | 20:36 |
| mariod | well i'm asking because the people i want to talk to know even less about technology than i do :) ... but we're trying to learn stuff :) | 20:36 |
| phlixi_ | depending on where you frieds are i guess | 20:36 |
| phlixi_ | and i do a lot of email :-) | 20:37 |
| mariod | jabber sounds interesting ... facebook and twitter - please ... that's not really trustworthy :) | 20:37 |
| mariod | but i cannot run a server | 20:37 |
| ortylp | OK, I am not getting any further with the android access to the SD card... mounted as btrfs, all unix access rights granted, and it still does not work | 20:37 |
| phlixi_ | i dont use facebook either, but ive heard from people they are kinda forced to do so ;) | 20:37 |
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| mariod | well ... i gave it a try phlixi_ ... | 20:38 |
| mariod | didn't use it much buuut ... | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont have to run your own jabber server | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | but you can | 20:38 |
| mariod | now that i know how it works ... i use it even less and will probably delete my account | 20:38 |
| mariod | well ... i can't ... i don't have the know-how ... and if i had ... i still could not because i don't have an own server / i don't have the money or equipment | 20:40 |
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| Taaeem | How about telegram? | 20:42 |
| Taaeem | Clients for every OS out there I think | 20:42 |
| Taaeem | And open source | 20:43 |
| Taaeem | I think | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | open-ish | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | they havent opened their servers yet | 20:43 |
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| phlixi_ | https://www.eff.org/de/secure-messaging-scorecard | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | shame textsecure doesnt work on the jolla | 20:44 |
| ortylp | mariod: I can imagine, that finding the right provider for jabber (XMPP) is not easy, but I think that is the only standardised, well understood and supported messaging protocol. | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | they need a way to manually put in the sms verification code... | 20:44 |
| mariod | how come "jabber" is not listed on the link phlixi_ just shared with us? *wondering* ... | 20:45 |
| Pawky|2 | the Jolla USB storage connection will not copy files beyond ~2GB :-( | 20:45 |
| Taaeem | r0kk3rz: for text secure it may be possible in near future the protocol is already implemented in qt | 20:45 |
| mariod | sounds like it ortylp ... i'll have to find out how it works ... how to register ... etc ... then :) | 20:45 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: finally succeeded with your HERE maps? | 20:45 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: well, email is not listed there as well, and a lot of other stuff :-) | 20:46 |
| mariod | Pawky|2, yes :) ... and welcome back :) | 20:46 |
| Pawky|2 | :-) | 20:46 |
| r0kk3rz | its open source, of course its possible | 20:46 |
| mariod | Jitsi is there however :) | 20:46 |
| r0kk3rz | but i wasnt sure whether anyone was actually doing it yet | 20:46 |
| mariod | Jitsi comes from Jabber :) | 20:46 |
| phlixi_ | i guess because jabber is not such a new hipster mesenger network that only works with its own client | 20:46 |
| mariod | there's no mobile OS port though yet | 20:46 |
| ortylp | mariod: I have already tested video calls with jitsi on linux, works without hiccups, only echo canceling is not yet as good as in skype | 20:48 |
| mariod | i'll give jitsi a try soon ... i've tried ekiga but it has never been able to establish a connection so far | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi_: vendor lock-in is the game everyones playing these days | 20:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | compatibillity is so 1990 | 20:49 |
| phlixi_ | Lieke: thanks a lot fot the hint with https://openrepos.net/content/mkiol/send-jolla does exactly what i was looking for (allthoug hin my case the name of the app is kinda irritating/wrong) ;-) | 20:50 |
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| mariod | ortylp, i hope it'll get better and better then :) | 20:51 |
| mariod | i do use skype once in a while ... but i'm looking forward to getting rid of it too :) | 20:51 |
| Pawky|2 | has anyone else had problems copying huge files from the phones SD card using the PC connect? | 20:51 |
| mariod | i didn't have to move huge files yet ... | 20:51 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: I use rsync or sftp (from within mc) | 20:52 |
| Pawky|2 | mc? | 20:52 |
| phlixi_ | Pawky|2 I sometimes copy some files via SFTP (thus wlan, not usb) and can not remember problems. largest file sprobably are some 4-5gb dvd rips ;-) | 20:53 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: https://www.midnight-commander.org/ | 20:53 |
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| Pawky|2 | ahh.. ok... | 20:53 |
| phlixi_ | however, thats to slow if you do that often :) | 20:54 |
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| Pawky|2 | well, i just ripped the sd card out and copied it externally, just wanted to flag there are issues with copying huge files using the PC connect... | 20:54 |
| ortylp | phlixi_: yep | 20:54 |
| mariod | please excuse me for a few more bits ... phone call | 20:54 |
| Pawky|2 | just had to move two 27 gb images on the card | 20:54 |
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| phlixi_ | i probably would try to do sftp over usb then :-) | 20:55 |
| mariod | ok ... back ... sorry ... | 20:55 |
| Pawky|2 | well, there are many ways to copy things, what I am after is that the driver seems broken | 20:55 |
| Pawky|2 | and checking wether others have encountered the same issues | 20:56 |
| mariod | i don't think i have such a huge file that i could try Pawky|2 | 20:58 |
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| mariod | i could "zip" a game-folder maybe | 20:59 |
| Pawky|2 | well.. one could alwasy create one with /dev/urandom and dd ... | 20:59 |
| mariod | only in linux :) | 21:00 |
| Pawky|2 | well, your phone is a linux box.. | 21:00 |
| mariod | i don't have my external hard disk yet so that i could reinstall my system here | 21:00 |
| Pawky|2 | but no need to put an effort in creating a huge file. My main point is to just flag for the issue in here, and whenever other encounter the same they at least know they are not alone. | 21:01 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: maybe you don't know it, but there are some jolla workers hiding in here as well ;-) | 21:02 |
| Pawky|2 | sometimes one succeeds to fetch their attentionn :-) | 21:02 |
| mariod | *chuckle* | 21:02 |
| mariod | well you go about it all wrong Pawky|2 ... | 21:03 |
| mariod | you see ... you can do it in a childish way ... by pretending to play hide and seek ... | 21:03 |
| mariod | Come out, come out whereever you are! :) | 21:03 |
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| mariod | *laughing* | 21:03 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: lol, well I am not the one though. others are, mentioning things in here sometimes grab their interesest, or at least they might know about them. | 21:04 |
| mariod | well i am happy to hear some actual Jolla workers are here too ... | 21:05 |
| Pawky|2 | It is actually thanks to the people in here that made me buy the Jolla as well. | 21:05 |
| mariod | :) | 21:06 |
| mariod | i got mine because i read a few articles about it :) | 21:06 |
| Pawky|2 | back in the N9 days I got help, and since then I am a devoted Nokia -> Jolla customer | 21:06 |
| mariod | the promise of an open source operating system ... safe and secure ... | 21:06 |
| mariod | and on top of all that ... with some European standards ... | 21:07 |
| Pawky|2 | but even though they lurk here in the shadows this channel is purely a user/developer forum... | 21:07 |
| Pawky|2 | Well, its not all opensource though.. | 21:07 |
| mariod | the only thing that isn't yet i was told is the swipe-thingy | 21:08 |
| Pawky|2 | there are still some proprietarey drivers lurking around | 21:08 |
| mariod | buuut i hope they'll go fully open source some time :) | 21:08 |
| Pawky|2 | The swipe stuff is certainly opensource | 21:08 |
| Pawky|2 | its the chip drivers that usually aren't | 21:08 |
| Taaeem | For the drivers it's not jollas fault and the rest is the UI and some apps | 21:08 |
| Pawky|2 | like network drivers | 21:08 |
| Pawky|2 | Taaeem: never said it was :-) | 21:09 |
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| Pawky|2 | but still it creates problems... such for those (like me) wanting to enable multicast... | 21:09 |
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| mariod | what is that? | 21:10 |
| Pawky|2 | or, wanting it to already be enabled in the wifi driver... the driver listens to it, but nothing more :-( | 21:10 |
| Pawky|2 | multicast is used when you want to send one stream to be listened by many network cards at once.. | 21:11 |
| Pawky|2 | like a radio signal | 21:11 |
| Pawky|2 | one signal, lots of listners.. | 21:11 |
| mariod | interesting ... and THAT doesn't work yet? | 21:11 |
| ortylp | can anyone constructively contribute to https://together.jolla.com/question/84794/dalvik-access-to-sdcard-lost-after-update-to-11216/ ? | 21:12 |
| Pawky|2 | you can configure the driver for it in the config file, because the driver could be compiled to do so, but due to it draining batteries they force it of | 21:12 |
| mariod | hmmm ... | 21:13 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: I do not know what your exact setup is, but in case there is any switch/router there, then listeners must register themselfs | 21:13 |
| mariod | what if you changed it so that it works when it's charging? | 21:13 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: and this switch/router must also actively support multicast | 21:14 |
| mariod | brb | 21:14 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: the other stuff surely does support multicast. its the jolla wifi that doesnt | 21:14 |
| Pawky|2 | Sony uses "direct wifi" ,meaning wifi and multicast for their periferal products... android supports it, but not jolla. Thus the jolla phone stands outside the possibiility to be Sony compatible wifi wise | 21:16 |
| Pawky|2 | I do not see any problem having the multicast part standar "off" on the driver, but it would be fair if the driver would be compiled for it, and thus be able to listen to the config when you manually enable it.. | 21:17 |
| Pawky|2 | this way one could at least turn it on when you want to play with your expensively bought Sony equipment. Now the camera has just been sitting on my desk for more than half a year... :-( | 21:17 |
| b944 | hi together, does someone has seen a MWC Discount Code for the jolla phone? Thanks in advance... | 21:18 |
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| Pawky|2 | b944: ? | 21:20 |
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| b944 | Pawky|2: I'd like to buy a phone and missed the valentine and Fosdem codes to get the phone discounted for 200 € ... | 21:22 |
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| mariod | b944, ? | 21:23 |
| mariod | it's a bit late for that but maybe you can ask them via email? | 21:23 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: i believe you can still just buy it with this discount, or what are they priced now? | 21:23 |
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| mariod | phlixi_, ortylp, Pawky|2 and everyone else who shared some info with me there before ... | 21:25 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: Sony has been banned from my list of manufacturers I consider for buying from, I am not willing to support the politics of putting their customers to jail and raiding with SWAT teams | 21:25 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: if you buy the tablet you can gat them for even a better discount :-D | 21:25 |
| mariod | register.jabber.org ... ... ... says | 21:25 |
| mariod | We have temporarily disabled account registration at the jabber.org IM service ... | 21:25 |
| b944 | thanks for the answer, the codes doesn't work right now... | 21:26 |
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| mariod | ortylp, what are you talking about there? ... why would they want their customers get raided with SWAT? | 21:26 |
| b944 | Pawky|2the tablet comes out When? -- I'd like to have the phone now :-) | 21:26 |
| mariod | if you order the tablet right now you would get it in June i think ... | 21:27 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: maybe you can make a deal, buy both, get phone now, tablet later? | 21:27 |
| mariod | at least that's what i read recently :) | 21:27 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: no clue about jabber... | 21:27 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: what bad experiences have you had with a Sony camera and the SWAT team ??? | 21:28 |
| b944 | Pawky|2 got a Nexus 2012 and 2013 here -- there is usually no need for a third one... | 21:28 |
| ortylp | mariod: SONY has put to jail developers who wanted to get back Linux on their PS4 | 21:28 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQa4-s_3m_Q | 21:28 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: dude, maybe there are better things to film..... ;-) | 21:28 |
| mariod | what? ... that's crazy ortylp | 21:28 |
| ortylp | mariod: unfortunately it is not :( | 21:29 |
| mariod | where did you read / see that they are doing such an awful thing? | 21:29 |
| ortylp | mariod: it happened in real life and what is worse... in europe (so it was not SWAT, but SEK... but you know what it means) | 21:30 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: any more info to back it up? | 21:30 |
| mariod | i think i've heard that term before ... | 21:30 |
| mariod | Sondereinsatzkommando if i'm not mistaken | 21:30 |
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| Pawky|2 | yeah, they exist in all countries | 21:31 |
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| mariod | but where did you read or see or hear that about Sony ... | 21:32 |
| ortylp | here is something: http://www.dailytech.com/Facing+Prison+PS3+Hacker+Tells+Sony+Youll+Have+to+Kill+Me+to+Silence+Me/article21939.htm | 21:33 |
| ortylp | it was the case about George "GeoHot" Hotz | 21:33 |
| Pawky|2 | that has nothing to do with Sony... | 21:33 |
| ortylp | and it was about PS3 not PS4... | 21:34 |
| Pawky|2 | or maybe it has.. | 21:34 |
| Pawky|2 | well, part of sony.. | 21:34 |
| Pawky|2 | then again, this has rather more to do about people not reading the fine print i supose.. | 21:35 |
| ortylp | I think it is more about your right to do whatever you want with hardware you bought, whatever the totally screwed licence agreement says | 21:36 |
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| Pawky|2 | ortylp: well, this is still politics, and I believe Jolla wants to keep out of it.. thus they should make the driver compatible with this type of connections.. | 21:37 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: as long as the protocol is open :) | 21:37 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: it is an open protocol... | 21:38 |
| Pawky|2 | its jollas network driver that isnt.. | 21:39 |
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| ortylp | Pawky|2: there is still long way to go before we get FOSS drivers for android devices.... | 21:40 |
| ortylp | I need some sleep... by | 21:40 |
| ortylp | bye | 21:40 |
| Pawky|2 | well, i dont mind the driver not being FOSS, as long as they atleast support everything the driver originally is written to support.. | 21:40 |
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| b944 | Could you please send me the the e-mail I should send a mail to? | 21:41 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: who are you asking? | 21:42 |
| ortylp | most probably "multicast" is a premium feature for which there are additional fees... it would be a joke it were true... but I can still imagine that | 21:42 |
| b944 | Pawky|2 because of the coupon / discount code | 21:43 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: whom are you asking an email from? | 21:43 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: it has to do with it draining power making snapdragon look bad.. | 21:44 |
| Pawky|2 | it is still usefull though, if you can occationally enable it, by example for certain wifi connections. | 21:44 |
| b944 | Pawky|2I thougt to ask someone at jolla about the code | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | we were told that "multicast is the thing you turn of to make your network work again" in a networking class once :) | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | *turn off | 21:45 |
| ortylp | Pawky|2: maybe you are right | 21:45 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: even though there might be jolla people in here, they usually never answer as one... | 21:45 |
| b944 | also at night? | 21:45 |
| ortylp | M4rtinK: only if your switches are dumber than dumb | 21:45 |
| Teemu | :) | 21:45 |
| Pawky|2 | M4rtinK: never had any issues with multicast... its nothing special, i mean your network card happily listens to broadcasts.. | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | well, it has been a few years since :) | 21:46 |
| Pawky|2 | ortylp: second that | 21:46 |
| Pawky|2 | M4rtinK: eons I presume.. | 21:46 |
| Pawky|2 | i did video multicasting in 2006 | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | I remember there were some issues mentioned with keeping track of the multicast "connections" | 21:47 |
| Pawky|2 | M4rtinK: no such issues.. | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | vs just unicasting everything and not caring | 21:47 |
| Pawky|2 | there is really nothing special with multicast.. | 21:47 |
| Pawky|2 | its just like your .255 broadcast address.. | 21:48 |
| Pawky|2 | a bit more traffic though.. | 21:48 |
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| Pawky|2 | b944: again said, this is not an official channel run by jolla, rather its their users and developers.... | 21:56 |
| b944 | Pawky|2 understood and thanks a lot | 21:56 |
| Pawky|2 | they do contribute with some well worth information now and then though :-) | 21:56 |
| Pawky|2 | just send an email to their support :-) | 21:57 |
| Pawky|2 | b944: ^^ | 21:57 |
| b944 | thanks | 21:57 |
| b944 | again | 21:57 |
| Pawky|2 | your welcome | 21:58 |
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| tigeli | Pawky|2: fyi, I'm currently testing disabling the multicast filter.. | 22:06 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: but you can disable it too if you really want | 22:06 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: how so? | 22:19 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: you can disable it, but it still doesnt listen to it | 22:20 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: why wouldn't it? | 22:21 |
| tigeli | mine is listening just fine | 22:21 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: because parts of it is disabled in the code.. | 22:21 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: see grep McastBcastFilter /persist/WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini | 22:21 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: multicasts are only filtered when the display is off | 22:21 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: hm... can you remind me how to reenable it (it was like 5 months ago and I dont have my notes here..) | 22:22 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: or maybe thats to be found on together.jolla.com, if remembering correctly | 22:23 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: 1) mount -o remount,rw /persist; 2) vi /persist/WCNSS_qcom_cfg.ini 3) change the McastBcastFilter value to 2 and save and run "sync" 4) reboot | 22:24 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: ahh yeah that was the trick | 22:24 |
| Pawky|2 | long time ago ;-) | 22:24 |
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| Pawky|2 | will try in a few minutes and give feedback | 22:24 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: well, it works for me.. :) | 22:25 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: I'm just wondering about how much it will affect on power consumption | 22:25 |
| tigeli | (initial analysis, not much on the networks which I use) | 22:25 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: because I remember you can see the driver recognising the multicast by using... tcpdump i think... but you cannot actally listen to the stream | 22:26 |
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| mariod | Pawky|2, ... current score is ... 2 votes for "telegram" ... 2 for "jabber" :) | 22:27 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: well, ipv6 nd is using multicast.. so it definitely works :) | 22:27 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: and connman is also listening those | 22:27 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: it will really make my day if it does | 22:27 |
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| Pawky|2 | mariod: :-) | 22:28 |
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| tigeli | Pawky|2: and my sonos uses multicast | 22:28 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: and I can control it now also display off ;) | 22:28 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: this sounds great!... stilll into testing though... | 22:29 |
| mariod | wikipedia says about telegram ... Only two devices may use the secret chat simultaneously. | 22:31 |
| mariod | that doesn't sound good | 22:31 |
| tigeli | and actually the issue why the filter needs to be disabled is that ipv6 router advertisements will get lost when device's display is off and it will cause default route to be lost | 22:31 |
| tigeli | or to be waked to do rs/ra-sequence | 22:32 |
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| tigeli | but filtering multicast is so, lame. | 22:32 |
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| tigeli | lot's of android devices suffer the same problem, thanks to qualcomm | 22:32 |
| Pawky|2 | tigeli: well if it saves battery its ok.. but you should be able to enable it | 22:32 |
| Pawky|2 | it works on my samsung note | 22:33 |
| tigeli | Pawky|2: they might have disabled the filter, or they are using some other driver/chipset | 22:33 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: lots of stuff to connect do do the test... ill enter listen mode in here... ;-) | 22:35 |
| Pawky|2 | (need both hands) | 22:35 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: rebooting.. | 22:38 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: nope... its a no can do.. | 22:40 |
| Pawky|2 | ahh.. yeah.. sorry, the "problem" is, its not transfered to the alien dalvik | 22:41 |
| stoft | Problems installing the latest update. Managed to ssh in and run version --dup a few times, but couldn't get it to complete. Now GUI works again but networking is broken. Trying to run 'pkcon update sbj-wlan' results in Fatal error: Installation aborted by user. Any suggestions? | 22:41 |
| stoft | (followed this guide: https://together.jolla.com/question/84365/after-update-11216-failed-simcard-not-recognized-and-cant-activate-wlan/) | 22:42 |
| Pawky|2 | stoft: vagely reminds me of wifi problems in earlier upgrades | 22:42 |
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| Pawky|2 | tigeli: yes, the card now happily getigeli: ts the UDP stuff from the Sony peripheral.... but their android app doesn't see it.. :-( | 22:50 |
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| mariod | Pawky|2, ? | 22:52 |
| Pawky|2 | well.. were talking multicast here.. | 22:52 |
| mariod | is it possible to talk to multiple users at the same time / something like in the same room with "jabber" ? | 22:52 |
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| Pawky|2 | mariod: well.. this is about multiple devices talking to each other, not user | 22:53 |
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| mariod | ok ... multiple devices then :) | 22:53 |
| mariod | you see ... i read that telegram doesn't offer a safe and secure way for more than two people | 22:53 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: well.. its a bit hard to do that using encryption dont you think? | 22:54 |
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| Pawky|2 | doable though.. | 22:54 |
| mariod | *shrug* well how would i know? :) ... i'm not tech-savy enough yet :) | 22:55 |
| Pawky|2 | well.. you are probably using encryption for this IRC channel, so everything between this server and your computer is encrypted.. | 22:56 |
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| mariod | may sound stupid but i dunno actually if i do ... | 22:57 |
| mariod | but i think it's somewhat encrypted :) | 22:57 |
| mariod | also ... if i were to use telegram or jabber ... (especially the latter) ... | 22:58 |
| mariod | i'd need to find out how to get some accounts ... | 22:58 |
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| mariod | so that i can tell my friends and family members who have a smartphone or computer too :) | 22:58 |
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| Pawky|2 | mariod: hmm.. when thinking about it, there should be no problem for you chatting to several people using encryption | 23:01 |
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| Pawky|2 | mariod: what does google tell you about jabber and encryption? | 23:05 |
| mariod | well me chatting to several people yes ... but what all of us together? | 23:05 |
| mariod | like we kinda can do here :) | 23:05 |
| mariod | know what i mean? | 23:05 |
| Pawky|2 | mariod: I believe google will help you better with the jabber stuff than I can. | 23:07 |
| Pawky|2 | i dont use chats, they just steal once time.. | 23:08 |
| Pawky|2 | when all friends suddenly have some time to kill and want to chat with you... if you know what I mean.. | 23:08 |
| Pawky|2 | I only use IRC nowadays | 23:08 |
| Pawky|2 | i believe people communicate far to much for their own good, exposing themeselves to the whole world with what have not, pictures, friends, contacts, searches, data, documents the lot.. | 23:09 |
| chem|st | mariod: xmpp conference plugin is missing and would be really nice to have | 23:10 |
| Pawky|2 | There you have it :-D | 23:10 |
| chem|st | so would be CC, OTR, ATTACH, and many other | 23:10 |
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| mariod | Pawky|2, i know what you mean ... yes ... but it's a "risk" i have to take :D | 23:11 |
| mariod | chem|st, ... do you have any other suggestion then? | 23:11 |
| chem|st | we only have ICQ and XMPP as of now and both rude implementations | 23:12 |
| mariod | icq? but that's not very safe from what i've read | 23:12 |
| chem|st | mariod: we have a unified messaging system but cannot use it as noone is able to make use of it as the frontend is missing all the features | 23:13 |
| mariod | besides ... apart from being safe ... i need a tool that's cross-platform comptabible | 23:13 |
| chem|st | icq is cross platform | 23:13 |
| mariod | iOS, android, sailfish, windows, linux, mac os x ? | 23:13 |
| mariod | and others maybe too? | 23:13 |
| mariod | but icq isn't free or is it now? | 23:13 |
| chem|st | I use a text-only client in a screen for all protocolls - android iOS have icq clients | 23:13 |
| chem|st | ICQ was never payed was it? | 23:14 |
| chem|st | paid | 23:14 |
| chem|st | icq is so old there is probably a client written in pascal... | 23:15 |
| chem|st | or fortran | 23:15 |
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| phlixi_ | but those probably do not work anymore, since icq changed the protokol so often | 23:15 |
| chem|st | everything sent is owned by a russian company though^^ | 23:15 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: so slightly that you just needed to flip some bits | 23:16 |
| chem|st | each time they did, and as I did not update my client for 4 years now, the russian company did probably stop doing that after purchasing it | 23:16 |
| Pawky|2 | anyone knowing why ssdp never reaches an android app on the jolla? | 23:19 |
| phlixi_ | back in the time i used centericq, what do you use today for icq? | 23:19 |
| mariod | hmmm | 23:19 |
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| Pawky|2 | even though the interface fetches it? | 23:19 |
| mariod | guess i have to wait then till such a tool exists ... for conferences ... | 23:20 |
| chem|st | jolla could pull off a stunt by implementing full blown xmpp support - including a server with multiprotocol support | 23:20 |
| mariod | but how should i make jabber or telegram work? ... when you cannot register for a jabber account? | 23:20 |
| chem|st | mariod: go to jabber.de and register? | 23:20 |
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| mariod | jabber or telegram people say here ... are safe, secure, open source and provide a way to text, call, and exchange files | 23:20 |
| mariod | here is where i was before :) chem|st | 23:21 |
| mariod | http://register.jabber.org/ | 23:21 |
| chem|st | http://www.jabber.de/register/ | 23:22 |
| phlixi_ | thats one of the pros of jabber, it is not centralized | 23:22 |
| mariod | okaaay ... but what app shall i take then? ... after all this site you showed me chem|st ... it's just a way to register an account | 23:23 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: pic one: http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ | 23:23 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: https://together.jolla.com/question/30470/how-to-use-the-xmpp-implementation/ | 23:24 |
| mariod | oh wow phlixi_ :) | 23:24 |
| mariod | additional question there | 23:24 |
| mariod | what does "100% (112/112)" mean? | 23:25 |
| mariod | i can understand 100 % uptime ... meaning the server hasn't gone offline yet ... | 23:25 |
| mariod | but 112/112? | 23:25 |
| mariod | and phlixi_ ? ... the question regarding apps ... was meant general ... | 23:25 |
| mariod | since i need a program for linux, windows, mac os x, ios, android and sailfish os ... and maybe something else in the future :) | 23:26 |
| phlixi_ | and there is more to your topic of choosing an instant messenger: https://together.jolla.com/question/29379/instant-messaging-whatsapp-alternatives-to-use-on-jolla/ | 23:26 |
| ilbuonme | Hello people, can I jump in with a question? | 23:27 |
| phlixi_ | and a list of clients for jabber/xmpp http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients | 23:27 |
| phlixi_ | ilbuonme first rule on irc, dont ask to ask, just ask :-) | 23:27 |
| ilbuonme | <phlixi_> :-) | 23:27 |
| mariod | sooo ... i take it from all we said so far that "jabber" is the thing my family and friend should go for | 23:27 |
| mariod | go for it ilbuonme ... i'm sure it's ok :) | 23:27 |
| ilbuonme | I was just wondering whether there is a native sailfish app for podcast | 23:27 |
| phlixi_ | mariod: if you are in the luxary position to choose the platform for all of them, i guess xmpp is the best choice. most people have to use what their peers use :-) | 23:28 |
| mariod | i think someone mentioned "gPodder" here ilbuonme | 23:28 |
| mariod | but wait for the others to respond ... | 23:28 |
| phlixi_ | ilbuonme: gpodder is great | 23:28 |
| mariod | i'm still new myself :) | 23:28 |
| phlixi_ | ilbuonme: http://gpodder.org/ | 23:29 |
| ilbuonme | mariod I do use gPodder on Linux and it's great. But I didn't find it on the official Jolla store | 23:29 |
| mariod | ilbuonme, phlixi_ can help you out there i think :) | 23:29 |
| ilbuonme | mariod phlixi_ Ooops... my bad: it is in the Jolla store | 23:30 |
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| ilbuonme | eureka! thanks | 23:30 |
| mariod | yw :) | 23:30 |
| phlixi_ | i do not know if it is already available from there, probably not if you did not find it there... you can get it via warehouse (openrepos client) if you dont mind using a differend "store" | 23:30 |
| mariod | now please don't do the full Archimedes here though *chuckle* | 23:30 |
| mariod | aaand well phlixi_ ... the luxury as you say that i have is that a bunch of my family members and friends are less tech savy than i am ... | 23:30 |
| ilbuonme | ;-) | 23:30 |
| ilbuonme | last question: any news about voice recognition in jolla? | 23:31 |
| mariod | hmmm ... this question sounds like it has been asked by ilbuonme right now ... what do you think? :D | 23:31 |
| mariod | *chuckle* | 23:31 |
| phlixi_ | ilbuonme: i have no idea :-) (and the idea of talking to my computer seems pretty awkward to mee ^^) | 23:31 |
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| mariod | and there's phlixi_ responding ... | 23:32 |
| mariod | ;) | 23:32 |
| mariod | naaah ... don't take it rude please :) | 23:32 |
| ilbuonme | no offense taken lads :-) | 23:32 |
| ilbuonme | I do talk to my car | 23:32 |
| mariod | oh really? | 23:32 |
| ilbuonme | and she's sometimes more responsive to me than a lot of people | 23:32 |
| phlixi_ | *hrhr* | 23:33 |
| mariod | she? | 23:33 |
| mariod | hmmm ... | 23:33 |
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| ilbuonme | :-D | 23:33 |
| mariod | so it's not a Knight Industries Two Thousand eh? :) | 23:33 |
| ilbuonme | right -- very Freudian, hun? | 23:33 |
| ilbuonme | well, it's a Fiesta, so grammatically it's feminine | 23:33 |
| mariod | i see :) | 23:33 |
| mariod | <--- doesn't have an own car yet | 23:34 |
| ilbuonme | well, mariod, on the other side I consider my motorbike masculine | 23:34 |
| mariod | ;) | 23:34 |
| ilbuonme | too bad, however, that I can't have voice recognition... that's the only thing that I might miss of my old android device | 23:35 |
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| mariod | well wait a little bit ... maybe it's coming ... i dunno | 23:35 |
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| ilbuonme | apart from that, I'm just above the moon with my brand new Jolla | 23:35 |
| chem|st | mariod: there are lots of shortcomings as of yet with xmpp - not only on jolla, everything depends on the server you are at and the client you use... for android and ios no big deal as everything not google or apple is a pain in the ass... | 23:36 |
| chem|st | mariod: xmpp/jabber client for texting only is available on jolla | 23:37 |
| mariod | i see ... | 23:37 |
| chem|st | and clients are available for all systems | 23:37 |
| mariod | well i can't wait till Jitsi then works properly on android :) | 23:37 |
| mariod | Jitsi i read is a nice skype-alternative ... | 23:37 |
| chem|st | mac linux win (probably even win3.11) | 23:37 |
| mariod | that will run on android some time sooner or later | 23:37 |
| mariod | that still leaves out iOS though | 23:38 |
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| mariod | chem|st, ... if you have any other suggestion as to what i should do ... i'm open for any ... | 23:39 |
| chem|st | what I want is an email like chat-service and jabber is close enough, would be nice to have ricochet sublayer for client-communications though | 23:39 |
| mariod | the problem you see is ... some of my family members and friends live abroad ... | 23:39 |
| mariod | and it'd be nice to talk to them on the phone or some skype-like tool :) | 23:39 |
| chem|st | mariod: you should use what is working best for you, if you do not care about anything... | 23:39 |
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| mariod | well ... skype did the trick so far ... but skype isn't really safe :) | 23:40 |
| chem|st | threema is the word in my circles for now... | 23:40 |
| phlixi_ | mariod, read this: https://together.jolla.com/question/29379/instant-messaging-whatsapp-alternatives-to-use-on-jolla/ and in case you decide for jabber, there is a list of clients: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients | 23:40 |
| * phlixi_ uses threema too | 23:40 | |
| stoft | Anyone know where SailfishOS update download location is? | 23:40 |
| phlixi_ | gn8 :-) | 23:41 |
| chem|st | mariod: if you know the list of OSs you have at hand you can lookup clients that have text+files+voice and probably even video call support by now, for jabber/xmpp | 23:41 |
| chem|st | the N900 and N9 where key when it came to that, everything working, even jabber voice calls... | 23:42 |
| chem|st | and I get tired... s/where/were/ | 23:43 |
| chem|st | good night | 23:43 |
| mariod | what made you two choose this "threema" you mentioned? | 23:43 |
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| stoft | found it: /var/cache/zypp | 23:46 |
| phlixi_ | its (threema) what my peers use, and its pretty easy to use | 23:47 |
| phlixi_ | and without playstore you can buy it directly from their website | 23:48 |
| phlixi_ | (but "normal" people can buy it from playstore/aplle appstore /windows whateveritiscalledstore) | 23:48 |
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| chem|st | buy? | 23:53 |
| chem|st | I stick with jabber... | 23:53 |
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