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| Mikaela | :) | 05:41 |
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| Teemu | mokis from tampere hacklab showed me last weekend his new electronics for a hobby servo | 06:12 |
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| Mikaela | sitting at bus and using wlan of next bus at Kotka bus station... | 10:46 |
| Mikaela | but how would Jolla know that I am in this one and that leaves | 10:46 |
| friese | busses have w-lan now? damn, haven't been riding bus for a long time then (or they don't have that in germany) | 10:47 |
| Mikaela | I lost it's WLAN :( | 10:48 |
| Mikaela | at least in Finland newer buses usually have it | 10:48 |
| friese | hmm okay | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | Mikaela: aside from signal strength, theres no real way of knowing which AP is best to connect to | 10:49 |
| PeperJohnny | friese: as far as i remember we don't have any because of our f*cked up laws ;) | 10:49 |
| friese | i remember visiting finland and the train had free w-lan, that was awesome! here in germany its only some fast ones and the internet is quite pricey then | 10:49 |
| Mikaela | the APs have different ssid and AP of this bus will be turned on after we start moving | 10:50 |
| Mikaela | trains don't have routes that would be useful to me | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | friese: well, it's wlan and packets are moving approximately as fast as the train | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:51 |
| friese | yeah, good my jolla also moves approximately as fast as the train (at least when i'm riding on it) | 10:52 |
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| Mikaela | hmm, they renamed the SSID from onnibjs.com to OnniBus.com and that wasn't stored in connman | 10:53 |
| Mikaela | I have heard that in trains the window seats have the best wlan | 10:53 |
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| Mikaela | and I am happy, this bus only gave me captive portal once instead of one every ten seconds | 10:57 |
| chem|st | friese: iirc DB will enhance their coverage | 10:58 |
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| friese | yeah? would be nice | 11:00 |
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| kro | friese: the long-distance buses in DE (deinbus, flixbus, meinfernbus etc) usually have WiFi | 11:33 |
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| tore_ | anyone know how to tell which DNS servers connman is using? | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | dear lazyweb, do you know of any gesture recognition engines for qt5? | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | like touch ones | 11:57 |
| Wnt | what kind of gestures? pinching and swiping or something more custom? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | everything. slide in from left, top, bottom, right, tap, double-tap, pinch in/out, two finger scroll, ish | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | or circle gesture | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | so standard ones-ish | 12:01 |
| Wnt | some of those seem to be handeled by https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.7/qgesture.html | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, but that's dead isn't it | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | from a qml pov | 12:01 |
| locusf | you have your peekfilter in homescreen, right? | 12:04 |
| kro | tore_: it's visible with 'lsof' | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: yeah, but i'm on weekend.. :P | 12:05 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: ah ok :) | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://depts.washington.edu/aimgroup/proj/dollar/ndollar.html seems curious | 12:06 |
| locusf | usually the gestures as simple as using a mousearea | 12:06 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/master/src/qml/compositor/ScreenGestureArea.qml | 12:07 |
| anandrkris | Stskeeps: Nokia released a launcher that uses such gestures IIRC | 12:09 |
| anandrkris | https://www.zlauncher.com/index.html | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 12:10 |
| anandrkris | i guess it was same time around Tablet announcement :) | 12:11 |
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| Sail0r | nope it's much older | 12:11 |
| Sail0r | they already showed demos of zlauncher mid of last year | 12:11 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.apkreleases.com/2014/06/19/z-launcher-apk-android-download/# | 12:12 |
| Sail0r | ;) | 12:12 |
| anandrkris | Sail0r: Oh...ok...then i must have spotted it along with Nokia Tablet announcement | 12:12 |
| anandrkris | :) | 12:12 |
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| meklu|fdf | that's when it re-emerged | 12:15 |
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| mornfall | hmm, a weather app... I kinda wish we'd get something that wasn't available as a (superior) 3rd party app already | 12:34 |
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| Tegu | ye.. | 12:37 |
| friese | i'd like to see some more features in the mapping-app. i kinda like here as android-app, but something with proper offline maps&navigation as sailfish app would be nice | 12:37 |
| mornfall | friese: well, that only has about 1000 votes on together :P | 12:37 |
| friese | i know, i know :) | 12:37 |
| mornfall | on the other hand, weather app request has like 10 votes, so clearly much more important :-) | 12:38 |
| phlixi | then it is probably not the missig votes that stops that from beeing implemented... | 12:38 |
| PeperJohnny | Well it might be slightly easier to implement a weather app ;) | 12:38 |
| mornfall | PeperJohnny: by that logic, jolla should be selling biscuits not phones | 12:39 |
| PeperJohnny | mornfall: all i am saying is that they probably needed something to show off the new eventsview capabilities, because they were maybe longer in the pipeline | 12:40 |
| mornfall | contributing that to meecast (which has a wide install base already) might have been a more productive way to do that | 12:41 |
| mornfall | but wait, 3rd party apps on harbour are not allowed to go into background | 12:41 |
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| PeperJohnny | I see you're quite frustrated, but nonetheless I think they're giving their best and cannot make everyone happy :/ | 12:43 |
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| mornfall | well, yes, the situation with maps on jolla is very sad | 12:57 |
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| PeperJohnny | yep i agree | 12:58 |
| mornfall | I guess they only ever tested their app on (undoubtedly superior) Finnish 3G/GSM infrastructure... because getting it to draw my surroundings is usually quite impossible on a slow-ish mobile data connection | 12:59 |
| PeperJohnny | mornfall: you have only 2g? | 12:59 |
| mornfall | and alas, no offline mode (that'd fix the problem even if the online mode is clunky) | 12:59 |
| mornfall | PeperJohnny: usually 3G, but that doesn't seem to help | 13:00 |
| mornfall | it does lose packets | 13:00 |
| PeperJohnny | having offline maps would be quite nice | 13:00 |
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| mornfall | maybe it's the network stack that's cranky | 13:01 |
| mornfall | well | 13:01 |
| PeperJohnny | or it's some licensing stuff with nokia | 13:02 |
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| mornfall | well, rendering vector maps on a phone is not an entirely easy problem | 13:03 |
| mornfall | and offline tiles are, well, not very good | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | jolla didn't build the maps app though | 13:03 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: and the provider of the map app no longer works with HERE data IIUIC | 13:04 |
| mornfall | so... | 13:04 |
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| mornfall | I guess the worst part is the persistent radio silence jolla maintains on the issue... | 13:07 |
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| mornfall | (on the other hand, stating that the half-baked online-only maps is all there is going to be wouldn't be the best marketing message to the would-be tablet buyers) | 13:12 |
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| the_mgt | they are damned if they do and damned if they dont | 13:16 |
| the_mgt | they said they support sdxc cards and got flamed by license vegans | 13:17 |
| the_mgt | why should they relive that experience again? | 13:17 |
| the_mgt | "we will be using HERE maps for offline navigation" "Damn you, how could you spend my money for license fees on a satanic childraping and seal clubbing company?!" | 13:18 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://together.jolla.com/question/339/downloadable-map-data-and-offline-turn-by-turn-navigation-in-maps/ | 13:19 |
| mornfall | that's a false analogy | 13:19 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | We aspire to offer this feature in the shortest time possible, however I don't see any possibility at the moment that this would materialize in a native form at least until next January. | 13:19 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | from that link | 13:19 |
| mornfall | HarhaanJohtaja: well, last january came and gone :P | 13:19 |
| mornfall | next january I mean | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | I for one am glad they decided to use HERE instead of OSM | 13:20 |
| mornfall | well, OSM-only offline would be better than nothing-only offline | 13:21 |
| ortylp | Nicd-: I do not understand why to use anything but OSM... | 13:21 |
| mornfall | ortylp: that very much depends on where you live | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | ortylp: because OSM data sucks. try looking at somewhere outside the city | 13:21 |
| mornfall | and what your usecase is | 13:21 |
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| ortylp | in my case OSM data was more acurrate and recent than google and Nokia together | 13:22 |
| mornfall | ortylp: plural of anecdote is not data | 13:22 |
| ortylp | :D | 13:22 |
| ortylp | the quality of OSM data depends only on its users (who should be also contributors) | 13:23 |
| Nicd- | this is why I'm glad they used HERE: http://imgur.com/a/ROmUt#0 | 13:24 |
| ortylp | it is the same case as for FOSS | 13:24 |
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| Nicd- | of course OSM depends on the contributors but as a normal user I don't care about that | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | I just want to navigate to my summer cottage | 13:25 |
| ortylp | Nicd-: this is cool!!! finally something to do outside :) my area is completely mapped already.... | 13:25 |
| Nicd- | at that point I'm not interested in FOSS politics | 13:25 |
| mornfall | well, to be honest, HERE is missing a lot of detail in my area (I didn't try to compare with OSM though) | 13:26 |
| mornfall | but again, *some* map (even if not as detailed as you'd like) is better than *no* map | 13:26 |
| Nicd- | ortylp: if you want a job, take a look anywhere in the finnish countryside :P | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | OSM is inaccurate as hell | 13:27 |
| mornfall | and well, the only way to get a reliable map is, still, buy a paper one | 13:27 |
| ortylp | I live in Europe and wherever I go I cannot even fin a single path through the woods that is not mapped yet... | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: I've had problems with HERE being *too* accurate... listing roads that go through people's yards and some that are barely driveable :D | 13:28 |
| ortylp | mornfall: only if you have access to military grade maps... | 13:28 |
| trt` | heheh | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | for what it's worth, the finnish official maps are free to use for everyone. dunno why OSM has not imported their data, maybe the format or licence are wrong | 13:29 |
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| trt` | Nicd-, I went on a mountain path with HERE, that took me to a barrier saying "private property" | 13:29 |
| ortylp | Nicd-: maybe next year, I am planning vacation in north Scotland this Fall | 13:30 |
| Nicd- | inside populated areas I think OSM is the best map available though | 13:30 |
| Nicd- | it even shows future, planned roads | 13:30 |
| ortylp | Nicd-: AFAIK it is the same case in France, they have map data for free and have no incentive to care for OSM | 13:31 |
| mornfall | ortylp: well, I have a stack of maps covering all of Slovakia in 1:50k | 13:32 |
| mornfall | it was made by the military cartographic institute, so at least it's probably based on accurate data even if not really “military grade” | 13:33 |
| ortylp | mornfall: as I was working a few weeks as a student at Ericsson I had access to 1:10k for north Poland stacked in scrolls... many scrolls... | 13:35 |
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| mornfall | well, what I have is something you can go and buy in a shop | 13:35 |
| mornfall | also importantly, electronic maps rarely show topology (not sure if because of lack of data or other reasons) | 13:36 |
| ortylp | mornfall: well... I like doing long trips on foot, so contributing to OSM is a nice byproduct of being on the move outside | 13:37 |
| ortylp | mornfall: there are topographic overlays from radar data published by NASA, if you try OSMAnd, then you can blend this layer over conventional data, it looks pretty nice | 13:38 |
| ortylp | I have just googled this out: http://opentopomap.org | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | dat norway <3 | 13:41 |
| mornfall | :-) pretty | 13:42 |
| mornfall | although the resolution of the topography seems to be a bit limited | 13:43 |
| ortylp | yeah... pretty :) | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | and it's *really* slow to load | 13:43 |
| ortylp | this kind of presentation of topographical data seems really familiar | 13:43 |
| ortylp | yep | 13:44 |
| ortylp | but pretty | 13:44 |
| mornfall | also I'm pretty sure isolines are not supposed to cross :-P | 13:44 |
| mornfall | I should go look at that place it's not far from here, maybe I'll fall into a dimensional rift | 13:45 |
| ortylp | this should be the default presentation on osm.org | 13:45 |
| mornfall | http://opentopomap.org/#map=16/48.76815/16.88736 | 13:46 |
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| ortylp | ups... this is not normal behavior of isolines... | 13:47 |
| mornfall | :-) | 13:47 |
| mornfall | it's probably interpolated from a height map | 13:48 |
| tore_ | mmcli -m 0 | 13:49 |
| tore_ | #ups | 13:49 |
| ortylp | http://opentopomap.org/about => it is a project on the university in Erlangen (Germany) | 13:50 |
| ortylp | They use the official German style for rendering... that is why it was so familiar | 13:50 |
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| phlixi | wow, i like this http://opentopomap.org thanks ortylp :-) | 14:16 |
| phlixi | and it is blazing fast o_O | 14:16 |
| Nicd- | it was terribly terribly slow for me | 14:16 |
| politie | is it an app | 14:17 |
| phlixi | might be related to the fact, that the FAU is only a few kilometers from here ;-) | 14:17 |
| phlixi | (Friedrich Alexander Universität Erlangen) | 14:18 |
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| phlixi | and OSM is generally pretty good in GER anyway | 14:19 |
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| ortylp | phlixi: I have entered its URL into marble and now I am caching my area for later use :) | 14:24 |
| phlixi | what is "marble"? | 14:25 |
| ortylp | phlixi: https://marble.kde.org/install.php | 14:26 |
| ortylp | phlixi: for your linux distro is should already be packetised | 14:27 |
| phlixi | well, im on windows ;) | 14:28 |
| ortylp | phlixi: my condolences... as I see there is also a binary for windows available | 14:29 |
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| phlixi | well, its my free will to use windows, no need to condolences ;) | 14:38 |
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| iluminator105 | is there a sailfish port for moto x 2014 or moto g 2014 | 16:09 |
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| Nichope | Hi there! | 16:11 |
| Nichope | iluminator105: did you already check the channel coderus suggested you? It looked like a good place | 16:13 |
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| gexc-phone | android apps cannot access the sdcard after update? | 16:31 |
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| attah | gexc-phone: guess yo can make symbolic link still | 16:32 |
| gexc-phone | I have a sym link at ~ | 16:33 |
| attah | ah | 16:33 |
| gexc-phone | but it cannot be seen | 16:33 |
| attah | it was chrooted | 16:33 |
| gexc-phone | hmm... | 16:34 |
| attah | /opt/alien is now / of the android environment | 16:34 |
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| gexc-phone | so in order to access the sdcard in android I need to repoint the symlink? | 16:37 |
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| attah | you need to have it placed inside /opt/alien if i understand correctly | 16:38 |
| gexc-phone | oh... | 16:38 |
| gexc-phone | so a symlink in ~ does not work anymore | 16:39 |
| attah | exactly | 16:39 |
| attah | that can't be seen afaik | 16:39 |
| gexc-phone | I see... | 16:39 |
| attah | i assume soft links will fail with chroot | 16:41 |
| fennekki | if they point to a directory outside the chroot with an absolute path the absolute path will be wrong | 16:41 |
| attah | google tells me "bind mount" is the way to go | 16:41 |
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| gexc-phone | fennekki: I just put a symlink in /opt/alien and failed lol | 16:43 |
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| fennekki | gexc-phone: ~ inside a chroot of /opt/alien will point to /opt/alien/home/nemo | 16:43 |
| gexc-phone | yep | 16:43 |
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| attah | http://www.proftpd.org/docs/howto/Chroot.html | 16:44 |
| fennekki | How do I chroot web | 16:44 |
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| gexc-phone | attah: just tried to "mount -o bind /media /opt/alien/media" android can see the mountpoint of the sdcard, but not the contents in it, :-/ | 16:56 |
| gexc-phone | maybe mount the sdcard itself? | 16:56 |
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| gexc-phone | solved :-D | 17:04 |
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| gexc-phone | bind mounting the directory of the sdcard works | 17:05 |
| attah | :) | 17:05 |
| gexc-phone | thanks :) | 17:05 |
| attah | np | 17:05 |
| attah | a learning experience for me too | 17:05 |
| gexc-phone | lol | 17:06 |
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| ortylp | https://together.jolla.com/question/1888/add-optional-access-to-external-sd-card-from-android-app/ | 17:06 |
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| gexc-phone | ortylp: this situation happens after the update | 17:09 |
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| gexc-phone | no issues before that | 17:09 |
| ortylp | gexc-phone: I see, I have just seen "again" the question about sdcard without reading the whole discussion above | 17:11 |
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| gexc-phone | :-F | 17:12 |
| gexc-phone | :-D | 17:12 |
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| Mikaela | after upgrading it seems that play music doesn't autospawn lastfm scrobbler anymore. it's not an issue though | 19:52 |
| omicron23 | hi, is there a port of sailfish for n9 with a recent version of sailfish? | 19:53 |
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| Nicd- | omicron23: try #sailfishos-porters | 19:57 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 20:35 |
| HtheB | yo tigeli, sup | 20:35 |
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