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| Mikaela | I was wondering sysctl settings and was found them and now I wonder why do /etc/sysctl.d/vm.conf and /etc/sysctl.d/zz-sbj-vm.conf have the same content with the exception of vm.swappiness http://sprunge.us/bKUj | 09:14 |
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| Mikaela | according to sysctl, zz-sbj-vm.conf wins so vm.swappiness is 50 instead of 30 which is specified in vm.conf | 09:14 |
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| Mikaela | oh, and I am on Yliaavanlampi if that affects anything | 09:16 |
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| cityoflights2 | hi, When I get Hebrew sms , I see it as squares | 11:55 |
| cityoflights2 | this issue was already reported here: https://together.jolla.com/question/12370/support-for-hebrew-language-squares-when-receiving-hebrew/ | 11:56 |
| cityoflights2 | but it is not fixed | 11:56 |
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| ortylp | cityoflights2: then comment and vote at TJC | 11:58 |
| cityoflights2 | ok | 11:58 |
| cityoflights2 | thanks | 11:58 |
| cityoflights2 | I was not sure waht is the right way to address this | 11:58 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: it could be just a missing font | 11:58 |
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| cityoflights2 | should I open a new issue, or comment on the closed one? | 11:59 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: vote and comment | 12:00 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: why is it closed then? wait a minute | 12:00 |
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| ortylp | cityoflights2: it is still "open", just leave a comment, and VOTE | 12:01 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: if you create a new one then it will be soon closed as a duplicate | 12:02 |
| cityoflights2 | right | 12:02 |
| cityoflights2 | is there a way to find text in the browser? | 12:03 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: look also at https://together.jolla.com/question/7555/arabic-characters-not-shown-in-email/ | 12:03 |
| ortylp | cityoflights2: not that I am aware of | 12:04 |
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| anandrkris | cityoflights2: new opt-in update has this feature in browser | 12:12 |
| cityoflights2 | Upgrade 1.1.2 / Yliaavanlampi (early access) - is it safe? | 12:16 |
| cityoflights2 | I just got my jolla a day or two ago | 12:16 |
| anandrkris | as they say YMMV... | 12:16 |
| PeperJohnny | No big problems so far | 12:16 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: depends, some things are yet to be discovered | 12:17 |
| cityoflights2 | I was hoping to see more ppl comment here before jumping in | 12:17 |
| anandrkris | I am Linux noob but know basic commands..took the plunge | 12:17 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: it is save in terms of you will have a working phone | 12:17 |
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| cityoflights2 | chem|st: hi, I remember you | 12:17 |
| chem|st | do you? I do not recall please helkp me out | 12:18 |
| anandrkris | i think this update is not massive changes so relatively offers a safe upgrade path | 12:18 |
| cityoflights2 | sorry, was some time ago, guess from the N900 period | 12:18 |
| chem|st | sure | 12:18 |
| chem|st | I am still the maemo guy | 12:18 |
| cityoflights2 | are you using 12? | 12:19 |
| chem|st | 12? | 12:19 |
| cityoflights2 | sorry 1.1.2 | 12:19 |
| chem|st | yes | 12:19 |
| cityoflights2 | ok, I will upgrade then | 12:19 |
| chem|st | that is why I can tell you that you will have a working "phone" | 12:19 |
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| cityoflights2 | right, | 12:20 |
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| chem|st | some things are buggy, like browser seems to act different on ipv4 or 6 or orange france has issues with dns and so on | 12:20 |
| PeperJohnny | The biggest issue had with 1.1.2 is UI inconsistencies in Browser and scrolling became a bit jittery | 12:20 |
| cityoflights2 | how to do the upgrade , just allow SSU? | 12:20 |
| chem|st | PeperJohnny: biggest issue - lol | 12:21 |
| PeperJohnny | chem|st: yeah pretty stable for me :D | 12:21 |
| chem|st | so you had no real issues^^ | 12:21 |
| PeperJohnny | yep =) | 12:21 |
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| PeperJohnny | everything is pretty smooth | 12:21 |
| chem|st | your jittery, please elaborate | 12:21 |
| Mikaela | I haven't had other issues with Yliaavanlampi than sshd.service disabling itself for no reason, but I was enough familiar with systemd to understand what "systemctl status sshd.service" said and run "systemctl enable sshd.service" | 12:22 |
| ortylp | I am waiting for the official release, I got tired of betatesting... | 12:22 |
| PeperJohnny | well if you scroll in browser with 1.1.1.37 it was way smoother | 12:22 |
| Mikaela | PeperJohnny: don't allow ssu | 12:22 |
| chem|st | oh browser... did not recognize jittery, I had UI jitters | 12:23 |
| Mikaela | PeperJohnny: login at https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ and check the checkbox and save and check for updates in settings | 12:23 |
| cityoflights2 | thnals | 12:23 |
| cityoflights2 | thanks | 12:23 |
| chem|st | Mikaela: you are no help that way | 12:23 |
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| PeperJohnny | Mikaela: I am already on 1.1.2 | 12:24 |
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| Mikaela | oh, I somehow understood that you were wondering how do you upgrade to it | 12:24 |
| chem|st | Mikaela: it just read like you tell people off when they complain about bugs in 1.1.2 | 12:24 |
| chem|st | telling them how to revert^^ | 12:25 |
| Mikaela | chem|st: I have no idea what you are talking about | 12:25 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: I think Mikaela wanted to point it out for you | 12:25 |
| chem|st | Mikaela: you where talking to someone with 1.1.2 telling to checkbox in accounts | 12:26 |
| Mikaela | oh, I am confusing PeperJohnny and cityoflights2 | 12:26 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: are you there? | 12:26 |
| chem|st | Mikaela: indeed :) | 12:26 |
| PeperJohnny | chem|st: did you have bigger problems with 1.1.2? | 12:27 |
| Mikaela | but I still don't understand what you mean with "telling people off" or "telling how to revert" | 12:27 |
| Mikaela | or "not helping that way" | 12:27 |
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| chem|st | PeperJohnny: go youporn desktop and try starting html5 video... :) | 12:28 |
| PeperJohnny | :D | 12:28 |
| chem|st | that is the easiest way to crash the browser I know of | 12:28 |
| chem|st | weather data is pretty off but that seems to be an issue of foreca not jolla | 12:29 |
| chem|st | foreca desktop, foreca mobile and foreca on device show 3 different values sometimes | 12:29 |
| cityoflights2 | Mikaela: yep, I understood, and responded | 12:30 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: as you are new, the internal storage is some kind of holy, if you fill it up your device will hate you | 12:31 |
| Mikaela | you're welcome | 12:31 |
| Mikaela | isn't that why btrfs is somewhat avoided? | 12:31 |
| anandrkris | chem|st: i have seen weather details differ in events view and inside the app | 12:32 |
| anandrkris | am i missing something? | 12:32 |
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| cityoflights2 | chem|st, first thing I noticed here was smooth pulse audio transfering from music play -> cellulcar call -> music play | 12:33 |
| cityoflights2 | its what I was hoping for in the n900 | 12:33 |
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| cityoflights2 | I am now seeking for a application as profiled, so the jolla will change profile by conditions, like slient in meetings | 12:34 |
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| chem|st | I never had problems on n900/n9 with that | 12:39 |
| chem|st | some like rpofiled is available from 3rd party repos | 12:39 |
| chem|st | but the ambience switcher is very convinient once you get used to it | 12:40 |
| cityoflights2 | other program I seek is like owntracks, a gps reporter | 12:41 |
| chem|st | and by the looks of is sfos2.0 will have ambiences from swipe down | 12:41 |
| chem|st | also available | 12:41 |
| cityoflights2 | so my home knows when I leave | 12:41 |
| chem|st | might be even in jolla harbour | 12:41 |
| chem|st | be careful with things from 3rd party repos like openrepos, don't just upgrade from CLI with them active | 12:42 |
| chem|st | anandrkris: overview? if that is not in sync that is a bug, same for details not in sync between app and eventsview | 12:44 |
| chem|st | more annoying is overview shows current and feels like and sometimes that is outside the high/low info of details | 12:45 |
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| cityoflights2 | is there a program like owntracks for jolla? | 13:41 |
| henk | What is "owntracks"? | 13:41 |
| cityoflights2 | Your location companion. OwnTracks allows you to keep track of your own location. | 13:43 |
| cityoflights2 | owntracks.org/ | 13:43 |
| cityoflights2 | it sends out your location to a MQTT broker | 13:44 |
| cityoflights2 | then you can see other users which you sbscribe to | 13:44 |
| cityoflights2 | for example: https://camo.githubusercontent.com/d46c31acc0c2db47b138393592bd406663b95a7d/68747470733a2f2f7261772e6769746875622e636f6d2f77696b692f6f776e747261636b732f6f776e747261636b732f6173736574732f616e64726f69642f622d6d61696e6d61702e706e67 | 13:45 |
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| tbr | shouldn't be too hard to port, but the mqtt protocol implementation needs to be made iphb aware | 13:50 |
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| cityoflights2 | hi tbr, thanks | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | setting up your own bigbrowther system so NSA can just use your broker if need be... | 13:57 |
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| mornfall | no end-to-end encryption => no go | 14:43 |
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| mornfall | special: is ricochet still being developed? | 14:55 |
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| -cameron.freenode.net- [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | 15:27 | |
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| FireFly | Hmm, what did each LED colour mean, again? I just got the phone to rapidly blink red → rapidly blink green | 15:34 |
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| stephg | rapid green is lipstick being late responding to an event iirc | 15:37 |
| stephg | flashing red, no idea | 15:37 |
| FireFly | Makes sense, because lipstick restarted | 15:37 |
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| raa700 | flashing | 15:47 |
| raa700 | ffs | 15:47 |
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| henk | What is lipstick? | 16:33 |
| mornfall | the compositor | 16:33 |
| henk | ah, thanks | 16:33 |
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| Nichope | hello! | 17:20 |
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| Nichope | I would like to ask something, maybe a bit unrelated | 17:21 |
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| Nichope | Would someone recommend me an e-mail provider (aside from gmail and outlook) which he/she finds practical and (of course) works well with the jolla e-mail integration? | 17:21 |
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| Nichope | I want to set up a new account to use on my Jolla (so it doesn't get any spam), and I don't know which provider to chose, so I thought it would be appropiate to chose it based on what I get here :P | 17:22 |
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| anonfriese | Nichope: i'm running my jolla together with kolab here and it works pretty well. you could try kolabnow.com if you'd rather get it hosted. | 17:36 |
| phlixi | Nichope: my expirience is, that it is a bad idea to change email. it is better to manage the spam, because ultimativly, you will have to care about the new and the old account, thus you have to care about the spam anyway | 17:36 |
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| phlixi | ...even your sister (or whomever...) will not learn that you have a new address, thus you will have to take care of the old address anyway... | 17:36 |
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| phlixi | however, i would recommend to host on your own (ok, thats actually a bad recommendation if you ask where to host...) or at least go to some provider whos businessmodel is hosting, and not free email (then someone else is paying for you, and you are the product) | 17:38 |
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| phlixi | btw, i guess any IMAP will do, if unsure, test the new provider, and if it does not work (for whatever reason) try another one (before actually moving the email) | 17:39 |
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| * Stskeeps likes mxhotel.dk but it's a bit danish-centric.. | 17:44 | |
| phlixi | but in the end, i think kolab is a valid choice | 17:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | would be good to switch to someone that offers IMAP-idle support | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | since thats coming to sfos | 17:52 |
| phlixi | are there some who doesnt? :-) | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | i have no idea, ive never used it | 17:53 |
| Nichope | anonfriese phlixi : Thanks, I will try kolab :) | 17:54 |
| Nichope | phlixi: I know it's usually not a good idea to change the address, but in this case the current e-mail provider is stopping offering the service, so I have no choice :( | 17:54 |
| phlixi | hehe, ok in this case it might be valid to change :-) | 17:55 |
| Nichope | I thought about hosting myself and even settling a kind of server from my house to do owncloud-like stuff, but currently my knowledge and free time don't allow me to do so... | 17:55 |
| Nichope | I also understand the paying thing, but at the moment I think I cannot afford one, so probably I'll stay as a product for a little longer | 17:56 |
| phlixi | you might want to use your own domain, (i do not know if that is supported by kolab) | 17:56 |
| Nichope | Stskeeps: I might take a look at mxhotel, too ;) | 17:56 |
| phlixi | there are things like df.eu where you can start with i dont know, like .99 per month | 17:56 |
| anonfriese | yeah, that's supported by the premium account (a bit pricier) | 17:56 |
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| phlixi | using your own domain prevents from having your new provider causing the same trouble again | 17:57 |
| Nichope | well, I think if the domain's name is not too long I don't mind using a "default" one | 17:58 |
| Nichope | ah, ok. I thought you meant only "esthetically" | 17:59 |
| anonfriese | yeah, owning your own domain gives you a lot of control and if you ever come around to hosting your own server you can simply keep your domain without changig mail adresses | 17:59 |
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| phlixi | however, if something liek 1-5eur per month is a problem, you might have to go with some generic domain your hoster offers | 17:59 |
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| phlixi | do not know what TLD you would choose, but you get .de or .com for as cheap as 10eur per year | 18:00 |
| Nichope | but wouldn't my domain's existence be subject to the company offering it anyways? | 18:00 |
| phlixi | but you have the rights on it, and can change the hoster | 18:00 |
| phlixi | for example (not checked if available, just for the example) if you go to df.eu and register Nichope.com, and you do not like df.eu anymore, you can go to another provider and host Nichope.com there | 18:02 |
| Nichope | aah, so I could change the hoster if it's going down and still keep everything... | 18:02 |
| phlixi | exactly | 18:02 |
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| Nichope | thank you very much. Right now the situation is quite urgent, so I will probably settle a free one, but that's something worth considering in a future :) | 18:05 |
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| coderus | Check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipC_rrrLk-0 | 19:03 |
| ninnnu | coderus: What app provides that weather info in notifications? | 19:06 |
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| tore_ | coderus: neat :) | 19:07 |
| tore_ | ninnnu: that's part of the latest update | 19:07 |
| ninnnu | Okay | 19:07 |
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| phlixi | coderus: http://phlixi.de/yWE3m3fhCNK59VeXsW66/iCODeRUS.png :-( | 19:17 |
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| pdanek | Is Jolla 2 going to work in US? | 19:19 |
| pdanek | 3G | 19:20 |
| TemeV | pdanek: no one knows, because the phone is not released yet | 19:20 |
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| tbr | it's not even announced, there are not even rumours | 19:22 |
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| kimmoli | will it work with 802.11ad ? | 19:25 |
| * tbr votes for 802.11xxx | 19:25 | |
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| tbr | because: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs | 19:26 |
| coderus | phlixi: reuploaded without audio, same link | 19:30 |
| phlixi | thanks ;-) | 19:31 |
| kimmoli | tbr: which reminds me http://website.lineone.net/~anguselavery/images/Computer-Technology700x493px.jpg | 19:31 |
| tbr | kimmoli: all about IoT! | 19:32 |
| kimmoli | application software really wipe your butt | 19:32 |
| M4rtinK | people just seems to like the Ghost in the Shell/Shadowrun/Snowcrash world so much :) | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | eq. the "I just hacked your cybernetic hand" world | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | and want to make it into reality :) | 19:34 |
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| M4rtinK | "hack the world" gets a whole new meaning with IoT :) | 19:35 |
| phlixi | anyone using Yliaavanlampi can tell me a few things? I would like to know whether it is possible to copy text from a webpage, copy text from an email? | 19:39 |
| kimmoli | phlixi: nope | 19:39 |
| phlixi | what is the behaviour when opening a link, lets say from tweetian, is it still opened in the "last" tab? or is this fixed (opened in a NEW tab) | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | last tab | 19:40 |
| phlixi | ... | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | email copy workarounf is to forward, then you can copy | 19:40 |
| phlixi | i guess pages can not be unloaded faster than in u10... | 19:40 |
| phlixi | yes, but ugly workaround. | 19:41 |
| phlixi | i have the impression the last 3 updates only make the device worse | 19:41 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I think it would be nice to be able to "bookmark" stuff locally in Tweetian | 19:41 |
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| M4rtinK | not the twitter bookmarks, just a local "read it later" | 19:42 |
| phlixi | well, thats what tabs in the browser are for | 19:42 |
| ortylp | M4rtinK: I need this feature ASAP | 19:42 |
| phlixi | now i have to open a new tab all the time, to have a "landing page" for new links... but in the last update unloading tabs got incredible bad... | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | well, both are open source :) | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | and Tweetian is mostly QML/Javascript from what I've heard | 19:45 |
| phlixi | wow https://together.jolla.com/question/82627/threema-poll-broken-in-yliaavanlampi-early-access/ | 19:45 |
| phlixi | well, i guess i will not update for a while... | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess "patches welcome" ? :) | 19:45 |
| phlixi | is there actually ANYTHING getting better with updates? | 19:45 |
| phlixi | so far since august the updates all only bruoght bad things and no improvements | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | I really wonder if the QNetworkAccessManager could be used to cache network data | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | I remeber it could be configured to cache stuff it downloads to local storage | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | so the browser could basically realod stuff from local storage when reloading the tabs | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: there are substantial architectural imrpvements being made all the time | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | but that's not really visible that much to users until everything falls into place | 19:47 |
| phlixi | M4rtinK: well, and thats good for what? | 19:48 |
| phlixi | actually i only see drawbacks | 19:48 |
| M4rtinK | oh and like two dozens of vulnerabilities have been fixed | 19:48 |
| phlixi | yeah, great. i guess those could have been fixed too without making everything else worse | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | phlixi: mostly more robust OS & less maintenance in the future -> more time that can be used to add new features | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | sure, I also think security fixes should be made out of the band & more quickly | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | but that can require substantial QA resources | 19:50 |
| phlixi | well, since u10 i have constantly closing apps, browser almost everytime reloads pages (that actually got worse with every update), still no copy&paste in broswer and email (not even talking about other apps)... | 19:51 |
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| M4rtinK | or a fix can make the devices ultimately secure, eq. brick them :) | 19:51 |
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| M4rtinK | well I've increased zram size & disabled oom killer :) | 19:51 |
| phlixi | all those issues have tons of votes, but instead of fixing this, there is now some weather stuff, that (who is interested) could have that before via 3rd party | 19:52 |
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| M4rtinK | my internet connectivity is good enough, so the reloading is not so much of a problem for me | 19:52 |
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| M4rtinK | and I still could use Android Opera that can even make pages accessible offline | 19:53 |
| M4rtinK | sure, the priorities are often quite weird | 19:53 |
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| phlixi | well, M4rtinK i invite you to german subwqay | 19:53 |
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| M4rtinK | you don't have cellphone signal in subway ? | 19:53 |
| phlixi | not to mention the problems i have where i think those are not common to all users (e.g. opening wlan ap breaks sooner or later and only works again after restart) | 19:53 |
| phlixi | M4rtinK: super slow in subway | 19:54 |
| phlixi | e.g. taking a minute e.gg to load jolla blog | 19:54 |
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| M4rtinK | well that indeed sux | 19:55 |
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| phlixi | yea, instead of fising al this, yes, a new tablet... | 19:55 |
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| phlixi | fixing* | 19:55 |
| ortylp | just to make it simple: everything, that slows the user down is a BUG, at least a usability bug | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | I can kinda understand that | 19:56 |
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| ortylp | if something can be cached or precached, then it should be done. Each application that needs internet connection to function is broken by design | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | If basically Intel comes and gives you a lot of money to make a tablet with an Intel SoC | 19:57 |
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| ortylp | :D then you start croundfunding campain.... nice... | 19:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I don't think the crowdfunding would be enough otherwise | 19:58 |
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| ortylp | no, it would not | 19:58 |
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| M4rtinK | for further reading: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/11/16/after-losing-apples-ipad-business-intel-has-bled-7-billion-while-heavily-subsidizing-cheap-x86-atom-android-tablets | 20:00 |
| M4rtinK | I'm actually looking forward to the first real Linux tablet | 20:00 |
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| M4rtinK | after such previous projects failed (Cordia, KDE Tablet/Spark/Vivaldi, etc.) | 20:01 |
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| ortylp | Jolla's tablet is not "real Linux" | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | well, from application developer perspective it is or is very close | 20:02 |
| ninnnu | ortylp: It's more "real" than Android. | 20:03 |
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| ortylp | it is GNU/Linux sitting on top of Android Linux kernel | 20:03 |
| ortylp | with all it BLOBs for drivers | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | bash, bintutils (no busybox), Qt, RPM, systemd, DBUS, glibc, Python, many familiar libraries... | 20:03 |
| ortylp | and all its problems | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | sure, I know how it works | 20:03 |
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| ortylp | MeeGo on Ideapad was close enough.... that close... eh... | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | you can only do so much about broken binary blobs | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | at least there is better chance to eventually replace them with open alternatives | 20:05 |
| M4rtinK | even if just for Nemo for example | 20:05 |
| M4rtinK | than for the Qualcom SoC hell | 20:05 |
| ortylp | you would have to have Apple share of the market to convince HW manufacturers to get OSS drivers working :( | 20:06 |
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| M4rtinK | well | 20:06 |
| RzR | M4rtinK, are you also following mozilla tablet (still android BSP) ? | 20:06 |
| M4rtinK | it was a tablet with a fan... :) | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | not share of the market as such | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | but BigDollarsTM | 20:06 |
| M4rtinK | RzR: they are making one ? | 20:06 |
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| RzR | at least there are some developements going on | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt mozilla tablet be running fxos? | 20:07 |
| RzR | of course | 20:07 |
| RzR | btw I met someone at fosdem who used nokia N1 | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | fxos is closer to android than sailfish is | 20:08 |
| RzR | and said the device is brillant | 20:08 |
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| ortylp | I use P900 (Galaxy Note PRO) this HW is brilliant, including wacom style stylus... I need SailfishOS on this with full stylus support and some productivity apps... but it is only a wish, more of a dream | 20:10 |
| r0kk3rz | build it then ortylp :P | 20:10 |
| r0kk3rz | when is the n1 likely to be released? | 20:11 |
| ortylp | r0kk3rz: I would gladly pay consumer price for it and help beta test it :P | 20:11 |
| ortylp | r0kk3rz: oh, wait, that is what I am doing with N900, N9 and Jolla now.... | 20:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | buying things that are already built isnt building things :P | 20:13 |
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