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| coderus | patch for resetting image scale by doubletap: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-gallery-doubletap-scale-reset | 03:47 |
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| tadzik | where does patchmanager keep its installed patches, again? | 09:31 |
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| ruskie | wow jolla ad on youtube | 10:24 |
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| tadzik | :o | 10:26 |
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| SQUelcher | I've got 20-30 active sim cards in my desk drawer %) | 10:58 |
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| ikarus | Is there any application that on the lockscreen or wherever will show free diskspace, internal and on SD card ?, just easily accessible at a glance | 15:48 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. Is there an easy way to turn the Jolla into an EHCI debug device? Like prebuilt Linux kernel images or so? | 15:51 |
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| sledges | i really hate android: "this app won't run without google play services, which are missing from your phone" | 15:57 |
| sledges | and that's a car insurance "appy driver" app | 15:58 |
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| CardenalJimenez_ | every damn android app is enslaved to google pay services nowadays | 16:06 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | even a simple todo-list app is | 16:06 |
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| CardenalJimenez_ | Big Brother Google is laughing at us | 16:06 |
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| ggabriel | interestingly, uber isn't | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | and google has stake in uber | 16:09 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | weird | 16:09 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | every other cab booking app is | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | yup | 16:10 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | even local ones, allegedly independant from Google | 16:10 |
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| ggabriel | maybe their pr people are independent or think they are, but the devs are too lazy | 16:11 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | agreed | 16:11 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | tying their app to google services is the easy way | 16:12 |
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| CardenalJimenez_ | when what they only need in fact is Maps as a service | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | well, uber uses google maps iirc | 16:12 |
| CardenalJimenez_ | could be done w/ loose dependancy | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | so i don't know how they pull that off | 16:12 |
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| ggabriel | there are a lot of map services out there anyway, and better than google's | 16:12 |
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| PaulePanter | Is there a public Linux kernel Git repository for the Linux kernel used for the Jolla phone? | 16:14 |
| PaulePanter | https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 has not seen an update since the beginning of the year. (If that ever was the official source.) | 16:15 |
| tbr | PaulePanter: there is no official repository, no | 16:15 |
| tbr | PaulePanter: the closest you get is the per-release source dump on my server, straight from jolla, by jolla. | 16:16 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: Do you know why? | 16:16 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ ? | 16:16 |
| tbr | yes that | 16:17 |
| PaulePanter | Hmm, I had the impression they try to be open. | 16:17 |
| PaulePanter | *want to be | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: sadly, the official way is requesting a dvd by post | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | legal reasons, etc | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | the online image is a nice unofficial way of doing it, but you have to trust it | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | else get the dvd | 16:18 |
| PaulePanter | Looking at https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930/commits/master the commits seem to be squashed. | 16:18 |
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| PaulePanter | ggabriel: Seriously? I did not know that and have never known that before. | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | imho being open != having a public scm | 16:18 |
| PaulePanter | s/never known/never heard/ | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: it's in the about page on th ephone | 16:18 |
| tbr | PaulePanter: they are likely coming from my server or someone handing over a tarball that's identical to that | 16:19 |
| PaulePanter | ggabriel: Well, it helps and is the quasi standard today. Even Microsoft put .NET(?) on GitHub. | 16:19 |
| tbr | the first few uploads to my server were obtained by snail mailing jolla HQ a request and getting back a physical optical medium | 16:19 |
| PaulePanter | Hmm, probably I would have never bought a Jolla if I had known that before. :( | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: it's a matter of opinions. android is meant to be open too and there isn't a public scm afaik | 16:20 |
| tbr | I wouldn't judge them for _this_ particular bit | 16:20 |
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| tbr | that's likely the lawyers getting in the way on some things | 16:21 |
| PaulePanter | Well, in my opinion it raises the bar of entry that high, it’s unacceptable and they miss on contributions. | 16:21 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: I seriously doubt that. | 16:21 |
| ggabriel | there isn't much you can contribute to the linux kernel tho | 16:21 |
| ggabriel | well, i dunno, depends on what you're working on i suppose | 16:22 |
| PaulePanter | Well then, no Sailfish for me anymore in the future and no advertisement to friends and relatives either. | 16:23 |
| tbr | note that the kernel is something that I like calling a "frankenkernel" | 16:23 |
| PaulePanter | Sure. And having the commits making it that way and being able to use `git blame` and so on helps in understanding it better. | 16:24 |
| tbr | while I sympathize with your opinion, I also do recognize the cruel reality that jolla is living in. | 16:24 |
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| PaulePanter | https://chromium.googlesource.com/ | 16:24 |
| tbr | basically if you are looking for "truly open" (sic!), then I may suggest Nemomobile | 16:24 |
| PaulePanter | At least the Chromium OS folks do it. | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: the sailfish browser is open source, and chromium os != android | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | +1 tbr | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | not sure what ff os does tbh, but feature wise you can't compare it to sailfish imo | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | so it really depends what you're after... | 16:26 |
| locusf | even Nemo on a Jolla device has the problem of closed hardware adaptation | 16:26 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: In the mobile market I accept that I would have to use some binary BLOB, but at least the free software stack they fork, they should publish the repositories. | 16:26 |
| locusf | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS <- they do | 16:27 |
| virtuald | nothing with a sim card will be truly open anyway... | 16:27 |
| PaulePanter | ggabriel: git remote add jolla http://… | 16:27 |
| PaulePanter | Hack away, send patches. | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: easily said | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | i kind of understand the obstacles, but am not immersed in the detail, so i won't comment any more | 16:27 |
| PaulePanter | I would have expected that there is a write-up already elaborating on these decisions in detail. Right now I am still “shocked”. | 16:28 |
| tbr | if you are looking for everything in open repositories, then sailfish is not what you are looking for | 16:29 |
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| tbr | and I see kernel only coming in dumps as least of the openness issues | 16:29 |
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| PaulePanter | tbr: As said, not everything. But the free software parts, yes. | 16:36 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: How do I know what is worked on, how can I test the patches, review it, help getting them upstream? | 16:37 |
| tbr | mwahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahah | 16:37 |
| tbr | sorry | 16:37 |
| tbr | I feel I should let someone else answer that one and explain the mer/nemo thing | 16:37 |
| PaulePanter | tbr, ggabriel: Thank you for your answers and opening my eyes though! | 16:38 |
| faenil | it seems I missed an important discussion? :) | 16:38 |
| tbr | ah, the right guy to explain mer/nemo contributions | 16:38 |
| PaulePanter | I still do not understand why Chromium OS/Chromebooks and Sailfish OS/Jolla phone are different though. | 16:38 |
| tbr | faenil should be a bit less pessimistic and frustrated on those things | 16:39 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: Are you able to read the backlog? It’s not that long. | 16:39 |
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| faenil | let's see | 16:39 |
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| tbr | else someone might accuse me /again/ of unreasonable and unfounded criticism | 16:41 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: What have you been critized for? | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: np and sorry reality sometimes != expectations | 16:42 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: I can't add any other info about the kernel stuff...I can just say that's really the last problem, imho | 16:44 |
| PaulePanter | So what is the big difference between Sailfish OS and Android then? | 16:44 |
| faenil | about core and middleware, Jolla tries hard to build directly from github repos (and gitlab, for Mer) | 16:44 |
| ikarus | Sailfish OS is alot more regular Linux | 16:45 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: What do you mean by “last problem”? So least important problem? | 16:45 |
| faenil | and contributions to those parts are very well accepted, even if the learning curve is a bit steep | 16:45 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: yes | 16:45 |
| ikarus | which makes things less mobile phone from 1999 stupid | 16:45 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: If those would be welcomed, the barrier of entry would not be that high. | 16:46 |
| ikarus | I guess it's more like Jolla scaled down the laptop Linux stuff and made a pretty UI for it | 16:46 |
| ikarus | while Android made traditional mobile phone OS stuff run on a Linux kernel | 16:46 |
| PaulePanter | ikarus: Sorry, I did not understand “which makes things less mobile phone from 1999 stupid”. | 16:46 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: contributions to core and mw are welcomed | 16:46 |
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| faenil | yet the bar is high because there's no repo<->maintainer list, for instance | 16:46 |
| faenil | (we asked that 1 year ago) | 16:47 |
| phdeswer | And well mer/nemo procedures are quite complex | 16:47 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: You are not employed by Jolla, right? (Don’t know you so well in here. Sorry for the question.) | 16:47 |
| faenil | and generally speaking, there's no detailed guide which helps you understand *which* repo you actually have to commit to if you want to implement *your favourite feature* | 16:47 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: nope, I am not ;) | 16:47 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: just long time free time Nemomobile contributor | 16:48 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: Thanks. Looks like you should be. | 16:48 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: I'll take that as a compliment, thanks | 16:48 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: It was meant as one. | 16:48 |
| faenil | :) | 16:48 |
| PaulePanter | Anyway, in the last hour my view on Sailfish OS and Jolla totally changed. Very sad. | 16:49 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: okay, mobile phone development has grown from basic phones to feature phones to smartphones, but some legacy stuff stuck around | 16:50 |
| faenil | From my perspective, I can sum up with: | 16:50 |
| ikarus | like the idea that the only way to do power managment is to make the whole device sleep | 16:50 |
| ikarus | or that the way to handle concurrent applications is to ask one to save and terminate and launch another one | 16:50 |
| faenil | - many people in jolla are *good*, in the opensource way of good. YET they're trapped by business goals and management, as it usually happens | 16:50 |
| ikarus | Android and iOS follow that philosophy | 16:51 |
| PaulePanter | I thought at least in the Jolla case, the management would be different. | 16:51 |
| ikarus | but Sailfish OS, having come from the Nokia Internet Tablets takes a different approach of downscaling laptop Linux instead | 16:51 |
| PaulePanter | ikarus: Ok. Thank you for elaborating. | 16:51 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: np | 16:51 |
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| ikarus | It makes a huge difference as a programmer on the OS, even being forced to use Qt for a native experience on Sailfish OS, it feels more like regular desktop programming then dealing with Android | 16:52 |
| PaulePanter | In the end, I’ll think that in some years the Android kernel will be closer to Linux. | 16:52 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: puhlease, the VM is so in the way of things on Android, the kernel is irrelevant | 16:52 |
| PaulePanter | ikarus: As mostly a user, I “don’t care” so much about it. | 16:52 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: well, it means you get better apps quicker | 16:53 |
| tbr | the diff between "the android kernel" (as google has it) and kernel.org is very thin by now | 16:53 |
| PaulePanter | ikarus: For my use case, I do not care either. | 16:53 |
| faenil | - second thing is: to survive, Jolla gives higher priority to operators request and investors requests than community ones...this could be trivial to some, yet it's better to specify it, imho | 16:53 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: Exactly. | 16:53 |
| tbr | it's a few patches like the paranoid-android-networking and a part of the wakelocks | 16:53 |
| tbr | the real beef is in the OEM/ODM/vendor kernel diffs | 16:53 |
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| ikarus | tbr: wakelocks are my favorite disaster area | 16:53 |
| tbr | we're talking about up to _several_ million patches diff between on device and kernel.org | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | whoever doesn't like google's wakelocks | 16:54 |
| PaulePanter | Let’s hope Jolla will change to be more like Chromium OS then. | 16:54 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: it uh, sort of already is, but that is Mer and related parts | 16:54 |
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| PaulePanter | I thought at least the time wasted by being a “beta” tester would have been saved with an easy barrier of entry, but I should have done my homework and informed myself better beforehand. | 16:55 |
| PaulePanter | Also I would have expected a page explaining these decisions. | 16:56 |
| PaulePanter | Anyway, enough time wasted complaining. We all have better things to do I guess. | 16:56 |
| PaulePanter | And thank you for listening to me. | 16:56 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: which decisions do you mean? | 16:57 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: explaining how? "Hey, welcome to the mobile market. Chinese give us a platform, with a kernel. That's it, it's not (entirely) our fault" | 16:57 |
| faenil | that would be the content of that page | 16:57 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: That there is no public mirror from *Jolla* and you have to get the source by mail. | 16:57 |
| phdeswer | Sailfish is odm kernel + fixes + nemo/mer + some UI | 16:57 |
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| HtheB | tigeli: you there? | 16:58 |
| ikarus | PaulePanter: point is, that is perfectly legal and within the rights of the GPL and I guess it saves them the hassle of actually having to support a public repository | 16:58 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: well that is something I wonder about sometimes too, but some odms and chip manufacturers like Qualcomm can be hard | 16:58 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: That wouldn’t explain why they do not publish the sources and only do dumps too. | 16:58 |
| PaulePanter | ikarus: Sure it’s legal. And it’s also pretty dumb and not what you do when you say you are open. | 16:58 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: well most of what you call dumps is in nemo/mer repositorues | 16:59 |
| tbr | phdeswer: to translate. he's wondering why "kernel-adaptation-sbj" doesnt' have a public repository. | 16:59 |
| faenil | PaulePanter: are you talking about kernel dump, or firmware/OS dump? | 16:59 |
| tbr | at least this page doesn't know of it https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS | 16:59 |
| phdeswer | tbr: well that one I wonder about too | 16:59 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: Ok, I’ll try to take a look there. Do you have a link to the Linux kernel repository? | 16:59 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: no the kernel is not there (as it is device specific and out of mer/nemo scope. | 17:00 |
| PaulePanter | faenil: Currently I am talking mainly about the Linux kernel. | 17:00 |
| faenil | ok | 17:00 |
| phdeswer | Afaik it is an odm legal issue that there is no git repo for it | 17:00 |
| phdeswer | And from the odm that probably goes up to Qualcomm. | 17:00 |
| PaulePanter | But U-Boot repository would also be nice. | 17:00 |
| faenil | I vaguely remember Stskeeps explaining that commits include stuff which can't be legally made public, so that's why | 17:00 |
| faenil | (I could be wrong, it's just something I vaguely remember from one of the Sailfish community meetings on IRC) | 17:01 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: Jolla does not run U-boot as bootloader | 17:01 |
| ikarus | faenil: oh, gah, yeah, I've had stuff like that | 17:01 |
| tbr | it's probably a vendor patched aboot | 17:01 |
| PaulePanter | The Chromium folks also have to deal with that and worked around it by putting the classified information into a restricted bug tracker for example. | 17:01 |
| ikarus | faenil: where company had a public repo and someone accidentally committed stuff that was classified | 17:01 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: Interesting. Did not know that. | 17:01 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: Is there a U-Boot port for it though? | 17:02 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: well that works for the open bits, but you will run into the same issue when trying to get vendor related stuff from a commercial chromium product... | 17:02 |
| phdeswer | PaulePanter: Not that I know. And well without a schred of useful docs from QC it is very unlikely | 17:03 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: Sure, but the free software parts are easily accessible. | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | For u-boot yes. But if you have no hardware docs it is pretty hard to make a bootloader for it. | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | Welcome to the mobile world where vendors like Qualcomm make you pay for the privilege to ask questions (and no guarantee they will even look at your question) | 17:04 |
| tbr | if you're lucky you could chainload u-boot, just like on the N900. But that would still require writing U-Boot support for that soc. | 17:06 |
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| faenil | PaulePanter: if you put the kernel aside, core and middleware development happens directly on the public repos | 17:08 |
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| PaulePanter | faenil: Awesome. Guess it was bad luck that I was looking into the Linux kernel then for getting to see how to turn the Jolla phone into an EHCI debug gadget for coreboot https://www.coreboot.org/EHCI_Debug_Port hacking. | 17:10 |
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| faenil | hehe | 17:11 |
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| phdeswer | PaulePanter: looking at the supported chipsets you would have a fun time to get that to work | 17:11 |
| phdeswer | And this is in coreboot, so you would need to be able to do bootloader stuff | 17:13 |
| phdeswer | Ah you were maybe thinking of this https://www.coreboot.org/EHCI_Gadget_Debug? | 17:14 |
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| tbr | random question: friend of mine put authorized_keys on his jolla in .ssh/authorized_keys - dir is 700, file is 600. authentication still fails. any ideas? | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: shoould work | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | journalctl should tell why not | 17:27 |
| tbr | that's what I thought. asked him to look at journal. | 17:28 |
| Mikaela | /home/nemo: drwxr-x--x 1 nemo nemo 1,1K 2015-02-20 19:27 ./ | 17:28 |
| Mikaela | .ssh/: drwx------ 1 nemo nemo 194 2015-01-20 16:55 ./ | 17:28 |
| merbot | Nemo bug 194 in .Other "application with UI locked to portrait launches in landscape if the keyboard is open" [Normal,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194 | 17:28 |
| Mikaela | .ssh/authorized_keys: -rw------- 1 nemo nemo 3,0K 2015-01-19 19:02 authorized_keys | 17:28 |
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| Mikaela | these work for me, I have no idea why it didn't work at first, but one of my scripts sets chmods like this which works everywhere | 17:29 |
| tbr | same on my device, works fine too. same on his device. let's see what his journal tells. | 17:30 |
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| Mikaela | weird | 17:50 |
| HtheB | meow | 17:50 |
| HtheB | who looks at the android app compatibility? | 17:51 |
| HtheB | Since the last (official) update, Teamviewer doesn't work | 17:51 |
| HtheB | even with the last EA release, still the same bug | 17:51 |
| HtheB | it crashes when you try to use it | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: dalvik got stuck in a chroot | 17:51 |
| HtheB | It worked just fine before the update! :( | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | is the major change from before | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | so depending on what teamviewer does | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | that could be it | 17:52 |
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| HtheB | why 'fix' something that works? | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | security | 17:52 |
| HtheB | there should be a way to get this to work | 17:52 |
| HtheB | because this pretty important for me | 17:52 |
| HtheB | security = breaking apps? | 17:53 |
| rigo | oh yes! | 17:53 |
| rigo | if you want less security, go android :) | 17:54 |
| HtheB | rigo: why having an android app compatibility if it doesnt work? :) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | chroot fixes issues like stupid apps calling /system/ stuff | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:54 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: there should be something that could give certain apps the rights | 17:54 |
| HtheB | maybe something that you can manually add? | 17:55 |
| tbr | HtheB: did you bother looking at the journal? | 17:55 |
| rigo | because stupid apps are really dangerous and I want my smartphone OS to sandbox them | 17:55 |
| HtheB | tbr: please enlighten me about this | 17:55 |
| HtheB | rigo: Teamviewer isn't stupid | 17:55 |
| tbr | "journalctl" and crash your app | 17:55 |
| HtheB | tbr: ok just a second | 17:55 |
| tbr | HtheB: it's quite possible that it _does_ something stupid | 17:55 |
| tbr | HtheB: must be root for that | 17:55 |
| HtheB | ok | 17:55 |
| HtheB | can I do it using ssh? | 17:56 |
| rigo | HtheB: I haven't said YOUR app is stupid. Proof, you're here to figure how to make it work in a secure environment | 17:56 |
| tbr | yes, ssh is preferred as then you can just copy it to a pastebin | 17:56 |
| tbr | make sure to resize your terminal before, so that lines don't get clipped | 17:57 |
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| HtheB | tbr: alright! :) | 17:57 |
| tbr | on android you'd just break out logcat | 17:57 |
| tbr | actually logcat might be necessary here too. I rarely debug android apps as I only use one or two | 17:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | HtheB: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile&hl=en_GB | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: this app? | 17:59 |
| HtheB | tbr: ah fuck man (sorry for the language) | 17:59 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: yes that | 17:59 |
| HtheB | tbr: I have some nasty problems with my alien dalvik | 17:59 |
| HtheB | since some time my android apps doesn't work with my wifi :/ | 17:59 |
| HtheB | it's asking for internet connection | 18:00 |
| HtheB | but using mobile data, it's working just fine | 18:00 |
| HtheB | (on teamviewer, it still crashes when trying to connect to a PC) | 18:01 |
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| HtheB | tbr: what can I do? :( | 18:01 |
| tbr | HtheB: sounds like you might want to nuke your dalvik install | 18:02 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: anything special about your wifi setup? | 18:02 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: no | 18:02 |
| HtheB | i can browse using sailfish apps | 18:03 |
| HtheB | also, using android apps | 18:03 |
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| HtheB | but I can't install apps using Play Store (dont blame me please :p) and I can't connect on some apps like for instance: Viber | 18:03 |
| HtheB | it asks for an internet connection :/ | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | something is borked, nuke from orbit | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | its the only way to be sure | 18:04 |
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| HtheB | r0kk3rz: orbit? | 18:06 |
| tbr | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nuke-it-from-orbit | 18:07 |
| HtheB | someone else might have the same problem. If we can find what the problem is, maybe it could be solved/prevented for other people | 18:07 |
| HtheB | tigeli: wanted to look at it, but he had a flu :( | 18:07 |
| HtheB | tbr: lol ! :p | 18:08 |
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| HtheB | tbr: ok, ive done journalctl | 18:11 |
| HtheB | using "journalctl > test.txt" | 18:12 |
| HtheB | (i was connected using my mobile data) | 18:12 |
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| HtheB | tbr: you still there? | 18:16 |
| HtheB | I've upped the journalctl output to: www.htheb.com/test.txt | 18:16 |
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| HtheB | ]: [0220/185851:ERROR:stat_hub.cc(216)] StatHub::Init - App com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile isn't supported. | 18:18 |
| HtheB | could that be the error? | 18:18 |
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| Nexus_of_Concord | Hello. Can anyone answer a few questions for me? | 18:20 |
| HtheB | Just ask away, if someone can answer, someone will :P | 18:20 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | So I ordered my Jolla last saturday and it's finally "in picking" today. Does anyone know what that entails and how long it lasts? | 18:21 |
| HtheB | afaik, it could take 4 working days | 18:21 |
| HtheB | it should be normal | 18:21 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | holy shit | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | sign of many people wanting a jolla, i guess | 18:22 |
| svuorela | I want a jolla tablet. | 18:23 |
| HtheB | svuorela: who doesn't? | 18:23 |
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| Nexus_of_Concord | I'm going to get one of those as well in the future, propably. | 18:23 |
| Nexus_of_Concord | Maybe in a few years. | 18:24 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: did you tried it? | 18:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | nope | 18:25 |
| HtheB | oh :p | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | presumably i need something to connect to | 18:25 |
| HtheB | you can connect to me | 18:25 |
| HtheB | check pm | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | it was more for any jolla folks playing along | 18:25 |
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| tbr | HtheB: looks like some different app something something. you ommitted the bit where: E chromium: external/chromium/net/disk_cache/stat_hub.cc:216: [0220/185851:ERROR:stat_hub.cc(216)] StatHub::Init - App com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile isn't supported. | 18:33 |
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| HtheB | ? | 18:35 |
| HtheB | is there a way to have a "clean journalctl"? | 18:35 |
| HtheB | to have the part just after starting journalctl | 18:35 |
| HtheB | tbr: could this be the problem? | 18:36 |
| HtheB | Jolla alien.sh[846]: [0220/185851:INFO:hostres_plugin_bridge.cc(73)] netstack: Failed to find symbols in plugin: libdnshostprio.so | 18:36 |
| tbr | HtheB: no idea, I'd still nuke the whole thing | 18:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | tbr: confirmed broke on my jolla as well | 18:43 |
| tbr | ok, then don't nuke it. who knows what they broke | 18:44 |
| HtheB | tnx for the confirmation r0kk3rz | 18:44 |
| tbr | I'd go looking for an older version of that app | 18:44 |
| HtheB | tbr: I think I have an older version on my server | 18:46 |
| HtheB | let me quickly try it :) | 18:46 |
| HtheB | (that version worked on my jolla before) | 18:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | well it appears to pop when its trying to connect | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | so presumably it needs whatever that libdnshost library is requiring | 18:48 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: yes, just right after trying to connect | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | some sort of dep isnt in the chroot | 18:49 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: indeed | 18:52 |
| HtheB | using old version does seems to work | 18:52 |
| HtheB | so it seems that the newer Teamviewer has something that Jolla doesn't support ? (as r0kk3rz says libdnshost ??) | 18:53 |
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| HtheB | tbr, r0kk3rz: any idea what we can do about it? | 19:42 |
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| tbr | HtheB: what? | 19:42 |
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| HtheB | about TeamViewer | 19:47 |
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| HtheB | tbr: about TeamViewer | 19:48 |
| tbr | HtheB: sacrifice a chicken during the next full moon, while doing a handstand | 19:49 |
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| HtheB | tbr: already done that :( | 19:49 |
| HtheB | didn't work :p | 19:50 |
| HtheB | any other ideas? | 19:52 |
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| tbr | I'm the last person to ask that. | 19:53 |
| HtheB | :( | 19:54 |
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| ikarus | anyone know what the official TOHs are made of ? Polystyrene ? | 21:08 |
| ikarus | wonder if I can dye one using iDye Poly :) | 21:08 |
| attah | it says PC on them.. so some polycarbonate i guess? | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | maybe ABS ? | 21:14 |
| HtheB | maybe shit? you never know these days :P | 21:15 |
| HtheB | heheh | 21:15 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: Yes, I don *not* want to make a coreboot port for Jolla but use the Jolla phone as an EHCI debug gadget to capture the coreboot (and for example Linux) log of the mainboard I am working with. | 21:15 |
| HtheB | sorry, got bored... :( | 21:15 |
| attah | Making plastic from shit might be a good idea actually :) | 21:16 |
| PaulePanter | phdeswer: coreboot would have been a nice option for the Jolla Tablet, but I was told it’s too late for that and that UEFI is used for it. Too bad. (Probably even with coreboot the Intel FSP would have been used which is also a big *bad* BLOB. Too bad nothing changed since the Snowden documents were published. | 21:17 |
| PaulePanter | Would have actually be a selling point for European governments. | 21:18 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, I've been to the Coreboot stand on FOSDEM: https://twitter.com/M4rtinK/status/561886356688105473/photo/1 | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | looked really cool :) | 21:23 |
| PaulePanter | M4rtinK: Nice. When are you planning on doing your first port or putting coreboot on one of your devices? | 21:25 |
| PaulePanter | M4rtinK: Just head over to #coreboot. ;-) | 21:26 |
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| ikarus | meh, if it's polycarbonate iDye Poly won't react to it, what a shame | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | already too overcommited on existing projects to do that :) | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | ikarus: you can have one 3D printed :) | 21:29 |
| ikarus | M4rtinK: sure, but I want one in the original look, but in violet | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | ikarus: also dirkvl has some on his shop IIRC (funkyotherhalf) | 21:30 |
| ikarus | or purple | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | oh, right | 21:30 |
| ikarus | also still looking for I guess the pink one if I can still find it | 21:30 |
| ikarus | I hate it how they are temporary | 21:30 |
| ikarus | I keep missing out on the orders | 21:30 |
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| kro | ikarus: I guess many will have ordered the pink+line set and won't need one or the other... keep a look out on ebay or here | 21:50 |
| ikarus | kro: I am | 21:51 |
| kro | got mine today, but already promised the pink ont to somebody else | 21:51 |
| ikarus | yeah, guess I should pay attention then | 21:53 |
| ikarus | and it looks like the dye I got may work on polycarbonate | 21:53 |
| ikarus | which means that I can hopefully dye my white one violet :) | 21:53 |
| ikarus | that would be awesome | 21:53 |
| ikarus | Mikaela: if the above dyeing ^^ works then I'll let you know, we might be able to have purple ones anyway :) | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | I like my blue TOH :) | 21:54 |
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| M4rtinK | blue and with 6 DIP switches :) | 21:55 |
| ikarus | when I bought my Jolla, it came default with white and I could pick up the black, which I currently use | 21:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | must get around to making a plastic injector | 22:14 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: sounds interesting.. but how would you make the molds? | 22:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | mill | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | drills | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe a bit of cnc | 22:16 |
| attah | okay, fair enough | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | would want to simplify the design a lot | 22:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but the stock one is designed to minimise the amount of plastic used | 22:17 |
| attah | although in that case i'd probably go straight for a sintering printer | 22:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats another option | 22:18 |
| r0kk3rz | or cast the mold with a 3d printed plug | 22:19 |
| attah | somehow i think that is bound to cause problems | 22:20 |
| r0kk3rz | would require a reasonable amount of finishing work | 22:22 |
| r0kk3rz | as casting always does | 22:22 |
| attah | exactly, and i think traditional 3d printing isn't the best way then | 22:25 |
| r0kk3rz | can you even get laser sinter printers for less than 10k? | 22:26 |
| attah | probably not unless you DIY | 22:26 |
| attah | current project: http://hackaday.io/project/4052-cnc-laser-cutter-from-scratch | 22:27 |
| r0kk3rz | well thats a cutter | 22:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i already have access to a laser cutter | 22:29 |
| attah | yes, but it's my cutter :) | 22:29 |
| attah | i'm in it for the learning experience more than anything else | 22:30 |
| r0kk3rz | they're useful things | 22:31 |
| r0kk3rz | can do a lot with a laser cutter | 22:31 |
| attah | yes, the detail you can achieve is amazing | 22:31 |
| r0kk3rz | build yourself a mearm | 22:33 |
| attah | that's on my shortlist, already have the servos | 22:33 |
| r0kk3rz | and the rpi | 22:34 |
| attah | unfortunately the laser went wacky, so i sent it in for service | 22:34 |
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