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HtheBcoderus: ping02:21
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* Mikaela is again wondering when is "real soon now™"04:14
MikaelaI thought it was yesterday, because my Jolla said "updates avaiable", but it was just store update notification for JKartta that I don't think I have even got working04:14
MikaelaSatelites just don't like me04:15
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klopsi-u3?05:02
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jaacoppireal soon means after the next duke nukem is out06:08
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Teemuit's been so long i've forgotten the name duke nukem when making the joke07:25
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tbrtoo bad they released DNF, ruined the joke...07:26
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Teemuthey did?07:29
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ppyes07:29
Jopea long time ago :-D07:29
ppit apparently sucked07:29
tbrheard that too07:29
Teemui pretty much quit playing the whole 1st person shooter genre after the flood of doom2 engine games07:30
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jaacoppiDNF sucked as an fps but was a mildly disappointing Duke Nukem game07:56
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klopsi-u3just watching the beginning, lots of funny inside jokes07:56
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Teemui already skipped duke nukem and guage as i was chock full of fps gaming07:58
Teemucould not care less about the possibility to break windows in gameplay07:58
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Nicd-http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/19/lenovo-superfish-adware-preinstalled/08:13
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kimmolicatch a fish08:34
Stskeepssuperfish.. that's a nice name08:34
Stskeeps:P08:34
Accesailfish, superfish => *fish, coincidence? :)08:35
Tegusounds fishy08:35
Trezkerhttp://www.seekeraftertruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/superfish.jpg08:36
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Teguerr, that lenovo's respnse was quite weird as well. blasting some marketing and ignoring the certificate issue. they only seemed to be concerned about pop-ups..08:43
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Nicd-the PR person probably doesn't know what MITM means08:44
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Teguye, sure it's just a forum post. would be nice to see some better response08:45
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pprace to the bottom :(08:56
ppsell crappy hardware at +- cost and make money off bundled crapware08:56
tadzikhmm, someone here was asking about battery life on android apps, I may have some easily comparable data08:57
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till_lenovo is crap09:39
tadzikit is!09:40
tadziktheir bullshit waterproof keyboards09:40
tadzik"buy T series", they said, "it's high quality", they said09:40
tadzikspray a bit of water on those marvels of technology, bam! broken09:40
tadzikI poured a bottle of beer over the cheap-ass sl500 and it worked like a charm09:41
j-dogenot all of lenovo is crap09:41
ggabrielnot sure which laptop is tougher than a thinkpad tho09:41
till_I replaced my old t60 with a x240 last year, shouldn't have done that09:41
j-dogefor example my x301 is a trusty workhorse09:41
tadzikI'll be replacing my keyboard for the 2nd time in my t430 now09:41
ggabrieli've got an x230 and the first thing i did to it was give it beer09:41
ggabrielit didn't like it, but it survived09:41
ggabrielthen i stood on it09:41
ggabrieldidn't like it either, but survived09:41
ggabrieland apparently i stood on it again, but i don't remember that instance (maybe i had given myself beer that time)09:42
ggabrielit's still running :P09:42
till_static on headphones, ips-ghosting that lasts for minutes, strange ssd-read/write errors, batteries dropped to 80% in one year09:42
tadzikwell, mine is running alright, I just had a panic attack yesterday09:42
till_and of course missing f-keys and mouse buttons09:42
tbrtadzik: they keyboard is actually not meant to survive, but the machine is. Keyboard takes one for the team, channels fluid through and out the bottom of the device.09:42
tadziktyped my password wrong 20 times in a row09:42
tadzikthen tried desktop passwords, server password, all wrong09:42
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: Oo09:42
tadzikhow on earth am I going to decrypt this harddrive now09:42
tadzikbut it was just left shift being broken09:42
tadziktbr: oh, that's the idea. I see09:43
tadzikwell then, fairy nuff09:43
ggabrielproblem is that standards are being lowered09:43
tadzikgood thing it's not that expensive09:43
till_isn't the keyboard sealed?09:43
ggabrieli don't know of any laptop tougher than [some] lenovos09:43
till_unfortunately yes, there are no alternatives09:44
till_except for older models09:44
tadzikI've seen some new Dells in the office that looked good09:44
ggabrielwell ofc09:44
tbrthere were those toughbooks09:44
tadzikstill have clitmouses and pretty neat keyboards09:44
ggabrieltadzik: had a dell and meh, they're alright compared to most09:44
SfietKonstantinWtadzik: the X240 was a disaster it seems09:44
till_but the same display as mine i think09:44
j-dogetadzik: so I guess not all Dells are created equal...09:44
tbrthe most recent stinkpad respin readds the clitmouse buttons09:44
SfietKonstantinWas the button for the clitmouse were removed09:44
tadzikSfietKonstantinW: yeah, the -40s are super shit09:44
SfietKonstantinWX250 fixes this though09:44
tadzikfor this exact reason09:44
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: wat, i won't upgrade to the x240 then09:45
* SfietKonstantinW will get a X250 it seems09:45
ggabrieli'll wait09:45
ggabrielalso, max ram is a problem09:45
tadzikI think at some point they removed customer reviews from lenovo.com09:45
ggabrielx240 can't go up to 16gb while x230 can09:45
SfietKonstantinWand seriously, even the X201 is so tough and powerful enough09:45
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: because: mobile chips09:45
till_x230 seemed to be the better one, but I wanted a 1080p screen at least09:45
SfietKonstantinWthat's both good and bad :(09:45
SfietKonstantinWsadly09:45
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: i thought because only 1 dram bank :P09:45
SfietKonstantinWyou get +++battery, but --perfs09:45
SfietKonstantinW:(09:45
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: X240 = 20h of batt09:46
* tbr is currently stuck with a X301 as there is no sensible replacement09:46
ggabrieloh, that's the other nice thing of lenovo... 2 big batteries=heavier but 20h09:46
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: interesting...09:46
tbrmaybe the X1 respin now09:46
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: i may be able to live with max 12gb ram, but don't know, too many vm's09:46
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: I have a desktop for this09:47
SfietKonstantinW16Go ram only though09:47
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: if you can, sadly i'm a bit of a road warrior09:47
SfietKonstantinWX201's 4Go ram is really limiting though09:47
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SfietKonstantinWggabriel: I know this feeling: I use my desktop as a CI and dev on the laptop09:47
SfietKonstantinWand it seems that the mobile chips used on X240 X250 is not as powerful as those from X230 etc.09:48
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ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: yeah, i couldn't do that due to my work, i need things running locally for presentations and whatnot09:48
ggabrielstinky little mobile chips09:48
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: thought about a T4XXX ?09:49
SfietKonstantinWT4XX ?09:49
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: too big, but have the option09:50
SfietKonstantinWor maybe a WXXX if you want moar raw power09:50
ggabrielwork allows me to buy an X or a T only09:50
ggabrielno, don't have that option09:50
SfietKonstantinWhaha, I know this feeling too: X is the best size09:50
SfietKonstantinWX1 3rd edition ?09:50
ggabrielwhen I say "buy", I mean they buy it :P09:50
SfietKonstantinWdon't know if it is a mobile chip09:50
ggabrielonly x240 now09:50
ggabrieli'll wait for the x250, i can't live w/o clit buttons09:50
ggabriel...and I don't use the mouse that much :S09:51
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SfietKonstantinWggabriel: especially on mobility you don't have the space for a mouse09:53
SfietKonstantinWbut geez, the thinkpad X series are SO expensive too09:54
SfietKonstantinWworse than a macbook :/09:54
ggabrielyeah, but macbooks are crap09:54
SfietKonstantinWespecially for devs09:54
Nicd-macbooks are awesome <309:55
ggabrielif you "use" it, they're crap09:55
tadzikis anything expensive for devs? :P09:55
ggabrielif you use 3 protective cases around it, it may last 3 yeras09:55
ggabrieland you never disassemble it09:55
ggabrielnot that you can these days09:55
ggabrieland you never take it to eg the beach09:56
Nicd-I'd never take any laptop to a beach... that's just asking for trouble09:56
ggabrieli don't understand how powerbooks were so tough and then all of a sudden the macbooks became cinderellas09:56
ggabrielNicd-: well, sometimes you have to09:56
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ggabriela mobile computer that you can't take to some places is not a mobile computer09:56
Nicd-but I used my previous macbook for nearly 9 years. I think that's a decent life for a laptop09:56
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ggabrielwell, places on earth ofc09:57
ggabrielNicd-: yup09:57
Nicd-and I carried it with me almost every day09:57
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SfietKonstantinWtadzik: to compare, my desktop costs ~700€ and have 2 times the raw power of the most expensive X25009:59
SfietKonstantinWand you can dev on a desktop just right10:00
SfietKonstantinWso, not so expensive for a dev :)10:00
tadzikSfietKonstantinW: oh, compared to desktops of course :)10:02
ggabrielhow hard can it be to carry a desktop on a backpack, carrying a diesel generator and having some sort of backpack mounted screen?10:03
ggabrielyou also get fitter10:03
ggabrielwell, you can't catch a plane, that's for sure10:03
tadzikwhy not?10:03
tadzikIf you throw it far enough...10:03
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: :P10:06
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: mine cannot be carried on a plane for sure, but it can be easily moved10:06
SfietKonstantinWmini itx format ftw10:06
Nicd-for some definitions of "easily"10:06
ggabrielthe diesel generator is the problem10:06
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SfietKonstantinWdid anyone tried the X1carbon ?10:07
Ezkomy desktop was around 1500e 3,5 years ago and i think you can only barely get a laptop with equal performance now10:07
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SfietKonstantinWI really wonder if it is light or not ?10:07
Nicd-Ezko: that's because laptops are not desktops10:07
Nicd-and they're not meant to be10:07
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: well, for some usage, your laptop have to behave like a desktop (ie: give some raw power)10:08
SfietKonstantinWwhen you a re a dev on the go10:08
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Nicd-well, then it's a choice of doing with some power or not doing it at all10:09
ggabrieli think the issue right now is that we used to have X amount of power on a laptop and now we have a decreasing function of X10:10
ggabrielso we're going backwards for the sake of something else10:10
ggabrielok, 20h of battery is nice, but you could do 4-20h of battery depending on power needs10:10
Nicd-power on a laptop is decreasing?10:10
ggabrielyes10:10
ggabriellenovo x230=up to 16gb ram10:10
ggabriellenovo x240=up to 8gb ram10:10
ggabrielwell, s/power/capabilities/10:10
ggabrielbut in general more memory gives you more power10:11
Nicd-judging the whole market based on a couple of lenovo models?10:11
ggabrielwell, which other laptop is as tough, small, portable and powerful?10:11
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: cpu power is important too10:11
SfietKonstantinWbut I do think that even if the X250 have a mobile core, it has much more power compared to the X20110:12
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: yeah, cpu power is the only thing that increases10:12
SfietKonstantinWthat is quite decent, even today10:12
TemeVI'm also havin my Macbook for sixth year now, still working like new10:12
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: yeah, but the pb of laptops is that, at the end, you only have the lenovos ...10:12
TemeVwell.. I had to buy new battery though10:12
SfietKonstantinW(at least for some people, who need kbd, clitomouse and toughness etc.)10:12
TemeVI would have bought a new laptop but there just isn't good ones atm10:13
TemeVso I bought a new battery :)10:13
ggabrielTemeV: i change batteries every year :P10:13
SfietKonstantinWTemeV: apple often do a rather good job at doing a non-bloated OS that run on a quite large range of HW10:13
SfietKonstantinWMS is doing a less good job10:13
Nicd-ggabriel: early 2013 mbp had 8 gb max ram, after that 16 gb max ram. there, your theory was disproved with an example equally good :P10:13
SfietKonstantinWbut the worst are people doing DEs on Linux10:13
ggabrielNicd-: but we're in 201510:14
SfietKonstantinWwell, actually they do a good job, BUT they use tech that are not usually supported10:14
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ggabrieland mbp's aren't good for me10:14
ggabrieli break them too easily10:14
SfietKonstantinW(opengl4.0 etc)10:14
SfietKonstantinWit is mbp's kbd that is an issue10:14
Nicd-ggabriel: ah so we're not talking about the market in general, we're just talking about your little bubble10:14
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: my mac mini's performance increased substantially when i put linux on it10:14
ggabrielNicd-: i'm talking perf, toughness10:14
ggabrielmbp's are bad at the latter10:15
Nicd-but you said power is decreasing10:15
ggabrieli did say that powerbooks used to be very good and then they decreased the quality10:15
Nicd-when it's not10:15
Nicd-try to be consistent10:15
ggabrielthe ni corrected myself and said that "well, not poewr exactly"10:15
ggabrieli have, read above10:15
ggabrielwe're chatting anyway :)10:15
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ggabrieli mean, the alienwares have a tremendous amount of power10:16
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: to be consistant, I would say: power is decreasing for laptops, using intel core (especially at Lenovo)10:16
SfietKonstantinW:)10:16
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ggabriel(and so some acers, or gaming laptops in general"10:16
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: I would say that alienwares cannot really be called laptops10:16
Nicd-SfietKonstantinW: mbps are using intel core and their power is increasing with each model10:16
SfietKonstantinWthey are more like "lapovens"10:16
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: lol, they sell them to you with a special backpack too10:17
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: Intel have a tencendy of segregating their cores with desktop & mobile core10:17
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: don't know if Mac is using the former or the latter10:17
SfietKonstantinWif the former, it is normal10:17
SfietKonstantinWbut other OEMs have a tendency of using the latte one10:17
SfietKonstantinWespecially when they build their ultrabook lineup ...10:17
Nicd-seems to be this on mine: http://ark.intel.com/products/83504/Intel-Core-i7-4870HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz10:18
ggabrielthere are other aspects too10:19
ggabrielwith lenovo or dell for example you can buy support and you get a dude next day at your house/office changing [whatever breaks]10:19
ggabrielapple doesn't allow that10:19
ppMBP did 16GB before 2013, just not officially10:19
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tigeliwhy haven't you updated already?10:21
Nicd-who?10:22
tigeli:D10:22
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HtheB:(10:22
Nicd-opt-in update?10:22
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: they do: the support is great10:22
HtheBwe........need...........update....................10:22
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tigeliNicd-: check together ;)10:23
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Sceltbooyah10:24
Sceltupdateupdateupdate10:24
pprelease notes are out!10:24
SceltMSUHROOOOOM10:24
ppupdate is out!10:24
politiei need them to send me the phone 😐10:24
* SfietKonstantinW want tablet10:25
* SfietKonstantinW want update10:25
* SfietKonstantinW want tohkbd10:25
Nicd-wants*10:25
SfietKonstantinWso many stuff to wait10:25
* SfietKonstantinW wants too10:25
HtheBwoohooo!10:25
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: re tablet https://gagv.org.uk/jollatablet.html10:26
SfietKonstantinWanyway, 2015 will be great :)10:26
HtheBUPDATE!!!10:26
Nicd-tigeli: how long does the early access checkbox take to activate?10:26
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: :)10:26
* HtheB goes wild10:26
* pp downloads furiously10:26
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: why 101 day ?10:26
SfietKonstantinW:(10:26
tigeliNicd-: can't remember the exact sync schedule.. ~20mins?10:26
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: i have no clue10:26
ppIt also contains a fix for an issue in SailfishOS, details will be disclosed after rolling out this update to everyone.10:26
ggabrieli did that last year10:26
ggabrieldidn't they say may or sometihng?10:26
ggabrielSfietKonstantinW: yeah, end of may10:27
tadzikhmmmm, I have 2 IM accounts online, but only one of them shows a green light in "Show presence settings"10:27
ggabrielwell, i put end of may10:27
tadzikknown?10:27
tigelitadzik: yes10:27
tadzikalright10:27
tigelitadzik: try setting away and then online.. :)10:28
tadzikheh, sometimes even none of them show as online, but people are online in People :P10:29
ppinstalling!10:29
ggabrielpp: nice :) how large the download out of interest?10:30
tadzikupdate? Early access, or regular one?10:30
Scelttadzik: EA10:30
ppI think it said 385Mish10:30
tadzikeh10:30
Nicd-189.7 MB for me10:31
ggabrielnot too bad10:31
* Nicd- does the update dance10:31
HtheBEA - Electronic Arts10:31
ppok, remembering wrong :-)10:31
ggabrielconsidering tehy're changing a lot of binaries10:31
tigelitadzik: also known10:31
tigelitadzik: it's somesort of logic issue10:31
HtheBtigeli: lets see what the aliendalvik does with the wifi now10:32
tigeliHtheB: :)10:32
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tigelialso.. the connection dialog behaves now correctly and does not popup all the time when offline etc10:32
tadzikoh, hehe10:33
tadzik"Also read the early release program details here"10:33
HtheByaaay!10:33
tadzikhere is in white font on white-ish-blue background10:33
tadzikthe classic "we remember to hardcode the background colour but forgot to hardcode font colour"10:33
SfietKonstantinWmay is soo !10:34
SfietKonstantinWok 3 month = 100 day :/10:34
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anYcevery 10s ... ;)10:34
anYcI wonder what kind of events are of interest in a weather application10:36
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anYcor does this mean the weather forecast popups up in the event screen?10:37
anYcwell, I will find it out soon10:37
Nicd-whoa, in the backup dialog when it's doing the backup10:37
ppprobably it doesn't do it but say "it's slippery today!"10:37
Nicd-you can click to deactivate the "sections"10:37
ppor "It'll rain like hell at 2pm"10:37
ppsay stuff that goes into http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/warnings10:38
ppyou can actually sign up for "it's slippery today" sms's in (some cities of) .fi :-)10:40
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anYcokay, the update manager says it's a weather widget10:41
ppyup, seems to do the trick (adds the local weather to the notification thingy)10:42
tadzikyay, upgrading from "yararampi" to "yayalampi", awesome :)10:45
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ppcould be that it feels choppy (especially android stuff), but this is just a subjective first impression thingy looking for regressions ;)10:47
xfade_pp: it is dexopting at first probably.10:47
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ppno longer, dunno if it feels choppy anymore or not tho :-)10:52
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HtheByou know what i never understand?10:54
HtheBif I can peek the time by swiping from the app, why cant we see the date aswell!? :/10:55
HtheBI have to go to the lockscreen to see the date... :/10:55
Mikaelaearly access finally appeared! :D10:56
MikaelaI see it in RSS feed from together10:56
ppbrowser ui seems nice10:56
Nicd-tigeli: is it possible to reset the color of an ambience once customized?10:57
Mikaelaoh, it wasn't together10:58
* Mikaela started downloading upgrade without noticing that she leaves in two minutes, but maybe it will still work10:59
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tigeliNicd-: by uninstall/reinstall of the ambience11:00
Nicd-ok, shame about that11:00
Nicd-though it's not a big problem11:00
fluxdoes the new update come with the gstreamed aacp-module?11:02
fluxand/or does it fix the android audio :)11:02
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Nicd-how often is weather updated?11:04
Nicd-the app is really cool, +1!11:04
Nicd-I think you just made meecast redundant :) at least for me11:05
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SceltI miss the "feel likes" from the weather apps11:06
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SceltI guess Foreca android app has it but not seen anywhere else11:06
Sceltwhen there is wind of 10 m/s, -3 C feels more like -10 C11:07
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politietheres weather on the lock screen now?\11:08
Nicd-politie: where?11:08
politieoh no i thought thats what you guys were talking about11:08
Nicd-it's in the events view11:08
politieooh ok11:09
politienice nice11:09
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tadzikoh, and now the bullshit of trying to reapply patches *after* the update :|11:16
TemeVyeah, me too once again forgot to diable patches before update11:17
TemeV*disable11:17
sqozztadzik: which patches?11:17
tadziksqozz: eventsview settings controls11:19
Mikaelaand now it's upgrading itself11:21
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Mirvgood job on Yliaavanlampi, everyone. it rocks!11:31
Nicd-+1!11:32
* Mikaela is waiting for that bar to finish as her captive portal issue is advertised as fixed on that11:32
TemeVIs it just be, or does the ui feel more responsive?11:33
TemeV*just me11:33
Mikaelarebooting apparently11:33
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till_still doing backup....11:35
MikaelaI somehow skipped backup by accident11:35
till_i'm doing manual backup :) tar-ing /home/nemo11:36
Mikaelaah11:36
ppTemeV: felt less here, but it's subjective. And after a few mins of running (probably was doing background aliendalvik stuff) it's ok11:36
tadzikI wonder if here can now keep track of me without running a native Maps in the background11:37
tadzikI mean, Android Here11:37
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MikaelaI seem to be unable to re-enable one network that is not here11:37
ppHere works here ;)11:38
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Mirvcomgrats on digging your way out of the "memory grave" :)11:38
Nicd-let's hope it works better now11:39
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Nicd-heh, lost all mobile connections and thought shit, now they broke it in the update11:40
Nicd-but actually DNA just died in tampere11:40
Nicd-at least hervanta11:41
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StskeepsNicd-: conspiracy11:41
AcceNicd-: good to know.. I thought it was the phone and was about to go nuts :D11:42
Nicd-who was phone11:42
EzkoNicd-: they're having a lot of problems these past few days haven't they11:42
Nicd-Acce: heh11:42
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inffydoes the new Sailfishos update (early access) have any new exchange policies supported?11:47
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anYchttps://together.jolla.com/question/82037/release-notes-upgrade-112-yliaavanlampi-early-access/11:53
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Mikaelano issues with TeleFinland @ Hamina11:57
Mikaela"If your device is running software version lower than 1.0.4.20 and have WareHouse app installed (i.e you are using OpenRepos), disable all openrepo repositories before attempting to upgrade your device."11:58
MikaelaI didn't notice this part, but seems to work anyway, I just started upgrading when I saw the title of it being released11:58
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jaacoppito anyone working for Jolla: https://jolla.com/updates has not been updated in a few months, I think you should12:07
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Nicd-Mikaela: well you probably had a newer version installed anyway12:17
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dr_gogeta86phdeswer and other http://pastebin.com/WdmDj1Lt13:01
dr_gogeta86while updating13:02
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: is there some slowpath in there before?13:02
phdeswerAs that would just be telling about something taking a lot of time to do IO13:02
dr_gogeta86a bit scaring13:03
dr_gogeta86Feb 19 14:03:13 Jolla kernel: VFS: do_fsync_timeout pid:7443(rpm)(parent:7229/PK-Backend)  fsync /var/lib/rpm/Dirnames.13:03
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phdesweryep that's the one.13:04
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phdeswerYou can ignore it, but looks scary indeed. Just means btrfs is synching quite some data (and taking lots of time to do so)13:04
Yanielawww I missed the update launch13:06
ejjomansince when gets the cover of an app cleared, when one swipes to close an app?13:07
tadziksince I remember :o13:08
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tadzikwell, sometimes it does anyway13:10
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ejjomannever noticed this, before this update :D13:15
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Mikaelano together question on dnscrypt :O13:17
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anandrkrisHi - One doubt on browser home page13:31
anandrkrisCan i switch to home page from any tab in browser? or only time it comes into play is when i had exit browser after closing all tabs?13:32
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tadzikwhat do you mean by the browser home page?13:35
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tadzikjolla.com for me, not sure if I can even change it :)13:35
Nicd-tadzik: settings -> apps -> browser13:37
TofeThe update preview seems to work well here, nothing to report so far13:38
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dr_gogeta86i didn't stressed for now but seems a bit more fluid then before13:38
tadzikNicd-: wow, super weird13:38
TofeIs the new meteo app source code available ? It would be interesting to see how the integration in the events view was done13:39
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tadzikI tried putting 'about:blank' in there.... and it disappears when I type the final 'k'13:39
tadzikwtf13:39
Nicd-you can just leave it empty13:39
anandrkristadzik: Home page set in Settings13:39
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anandrkrissay Gmail.com...i cant access it if it was closed with some other page open13:40
anandrkrisunless it is a favorite13:40
dr_gogeta86VDVsx, imap  sync planning  is broken13:41
anandrkrisHomepage icon to be added along with favs in new tab screen?13:41
VDVsxdr_gogeta86, what's sync planning ?13:42
dr_gogeta86I got two options for email account13:42
dr_gogeta86Email Sync13:42
dr_gogeta86and Content sync13:42
VDVsxthat's normal for gmail accounts13:43
dr_gogeta86plain imap13:43
dr_gogeta86closing settings and reopening did the job13:43
* dr_gogeta86 worksforme13:43
VDVsxdr_gogeta86, well, the code is not even the same13:44
VDVsxi.e those settings do not exist in that qml file13:44
VDVsxbit strange13:44
dr_gogeta86imap push ?13:45
Yanielthe new browser is nice13:46
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VDVsxdr_gogeta86, not in that update, most likely in next if not major problems found13:47
dr_gogeta86too oldschool ?13:47
VDVsxwell it works on that already if you enable manually, but some things are not fully implemented there13:47
entilthere's a new browser? :O13:47
Nicd-new browser UI13:47
Nicd-and yes, it's much better13:48
entilthat might be reason enough to opt in :D13:48
Yanielthe downloads icon is wrong though13:48
cvp_its very nice the browser13:48
Yanielit should use the same icon as in settings, where it takes you anyway13:48
Yanielinstead of the cellular icon13:48
cvp_+ coderus patch "select text" and its very nice :)13:48
Yanielactually atm downloads uses the cellular data icon and share uses the downloads icon13:48
Yanielpls13:49
entilI haven't tried any of the patches-patches... or editing qml by hand13:49
entilselect text sounds like it'll hopefully be merged someday into the browser13:49
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coderusHtheB: pong :D13:57
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henkhi14:01
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entilcoderus: don't hate me for asking :D does powermenu alter qml files so that opting in to the new update might cause conflicts?14:02
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stephg\o/ update :)14:06
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henkIs there a webinterface to the app store?14:17
faenilnope14:17
entillulz, opted in to the early releases program - phone says it's up to date, guess it takes a while14:17
stephgentil: are you a first-one?14:17
entilstephg: I opted in at accounts.jolla.com - does that count?14:18
entilaccount* even14:18
henkok, thanks14:18
stephgentil: no I mean, are you also one of the first 450 customers; they used to get other updates before everyone else and maybe that rule is also inplace for the optin14:19
Nicd-entil: takes around 20 minutes14:19
entilNicd-: sweet14:19
entilstephg: I'm not :(14:19
entilor maybe I am, I can't remember. I preordered the damned thing, but didn't get invited to the party14:19
stephgooh I wonder if the weather app will let us know how many people opted in for updates :)14:20
entilso I'm one of the guys who preordered but didn't keep track of privileges since :D but no, never got an early access to updates ;P14:20
stephgwell if you opted in it'll come soon enough14:20
coderusHtheB: ?14:20
entilit came now! zomgs!14:20
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anandrkrishenk - https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ you could vote here :)14:28
anandrkrisi opted in just half an hour ago and i can see the update14:29
entilmyeah, it's downloading for me now14:29
henkanandrkris: thanks14:30
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coderusentil: update don't care if you modifyed anything14:36
coderusit just overwrites everything14:36
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entilgreat! so the worst-case scenario is reinstalling an app14:38
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Sail0rAard: how fast do people now opt-in ? ^^14:40
coderusentil: yes you need to reinstall powermenu after each update14:40
entilsure14:41
entilI was just scared of rpm dying in the background somewhere ;P14:42
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tigeliSail0r: ~20min14:46
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HtheBhi coderus14:52
HtheBi was afk :p14:52
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HtheBIve noticed that after you changed some stuff, my wireless connection acts weird. I dont know if it even have to do anything with it though14:53
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anYcupdate looks good, thanks!15:02
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ejjomani wonder if activesync gets fixed anytime in this century?15:04
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coderusHtheB: just update to u11, it will revert everything15:08
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HtheBhmmm15:08
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HtheBthen it is not the reason15:08
HtheBI have some real issues with my wireless :/15:08
HtheBlike for instance: I can't use Viber using WiFi15:09
HtheBor Download apps on Play Store using wifi15:09
HtheBbut it works using Mobile Data15:09
coderusmaybe its alien problem?15:09
tigeliHtheB: not even with the new update?15:10
HtheBi thought that too, but it worked before O_o15:10
coderusHtheB: so, you on u11 or not?15:10
HtheBtigeli: nope, still same problem :(15:10
tigeliHtheB: you could try reinstalling aliendalvik..15:10
HtheByes, got the early access15:10
HtheBpkcon install aliendalvik ?15:10
tigeliHtheB: can't really say what's the problem without deeper inspection of the phone15:10
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HtheBtigeli: be my guest :) coderus already done some stuff on my phone before :P you can inspect too :D15:11
coderusremove aliendalvik, rm -rf /opt/alien install aliendalvik15:11
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HtheBcoderus: wouldn't that remove my other stuff of android apps?15:12
HtheB(i dont know exactly how the structure is on alien)15:12
entilooh, the new browser ui is really good15:12
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coderusHtheB: no, your android apps stuff ins under /data15:14
HtheBah ok15:15
stephgomg tabs behave properly now *heart*15:15
coderusHtheB: but i really don't know if it will be reused or owerwritten15:15
HtheBcoderus: Maybe I should wait untill tigeli has inspected it. To prevent this bug happening in the future15:16
entilstephg: you can see and affect your current url without going through the tabs first!15:18
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coderusand new browser works x100 better with more search engines: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/search-engines-sailfish-browser15:21
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HtheBthe person who made the first browser UI should be punished15:23
HtheBfinally some good UI for a browser15:23
HtheBa bit late in my opinion, since we already have WebPirate and WebCat15:24
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tiwakeI kind of want majestic12 to hurry up and make their search engine thing15:24
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tiwakehttp://www.majestic12.co.uk/15:25
entil"In UFO conspiracy theories, Majestic 12 (or MJ-12) is the code name of an alleged secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials, formed in 1947 by an executive order by U.S. President Harry S. Truman to facilitate recovery and investigation of alien spacecraft." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_1215:26
entilapparently it's also something else15:26
tiwakeyeah15:26
tiwakeno idea why they wanted to call it majestic12... kinda weird considering what that name was used for before15:28
stephgall I need now entil is open new tab in background and I'm all set :)15:28
entilI used to be neck-deep in UFO stuff as a kid so I'm kinda disappointed they took that name :(15:28
entilwe have duckduckgo, couldn't they have called it *uck-the-nsa or something15:29
entil(that's a d there)15:29
tiwakeha15:29
tiwakethat would have been fantastic15:29
Nicd-Majestic 12 only reminds me of Deus Ex15:30
entilnever played it, but I've rewatched dark skies a bunch of times ;P15:30
tiwakedeus ex is a fantastic game15:31
tiwakethe first one anyway15:31
tiwakesecond one is kinda meh, based on the 5min I played it... most recent one I havent played15:31
Nicd-entil: you should. the first one that is15:32
Nicd-I recently played it in pacifist mode15:32
Nicd-that was a fun challenge15:32
tiwakeheh15:32
tiwakeI have a feeling that when majestic12 does become a search engine, it will be very good15:33
tiwakea little over 10 years ago when it started15:35
tiwakehttp://www.majestic12.co.uk/about.php15:35
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tiwakelol... "15:36
tiwakeP.S. On the photo above you can see Alex Chudnovsky, the founder of the UK's division of Majestic-12, during training session with majestic squirrels (the greys) at undisclosed location."15:36
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entilhttp://i.imgur.com/k3F8jQe.png the only conspiracy/alien picture that matters15:38
entilif that doesn't make you a believer, nothing will15:38
Nicd-believer in what?15:39
entilconspiracies and aliens of course15:39
ggabrielwhat/who is the left hand side one? spiderman?15:40
entilreptilian alien15:41
tiwakeits the lizard people15:43
tiwakethey are out to get everyone15:44
ggabrielso, spiderman should be behind the lizard with a photo of mary jane?15:44
stephgo/ ggabriel15:45
entilthe reptilians are swayed by no-one!15:45
ggabriel\o stephg15:45
* ggabriel eagerly expecting somebody to take screenshots of the new browser ui and post them somewhere15:46
Liekeggabriel: http://www.jollausers.com/2015/02/update-11-visual-presentation-picture-gallery/15:47
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meklu|fdfI just signed up for the early access release by checking the checkbox and saving a few times15:49
meklu|fdfit's not showing the update yet though15:49
xfade_meklu|fdf: wait some 20 minutes.15:49
meklu|fdfwill do15:50
xfade_It takes a while for it be synced15:50
tadzikyeah, it took 10-15 for me15:53
meklu|fdfshowed up now15:53
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stephgso here's a question16:33
stephgI can't seem to be able to set an ambience as a favourite16:34
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stephgnope, I'm blind16:34
stephgignore me16:34
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entilthe upgrade deleted my gallery :O16:36
entileverything that's not the jolla stock photos16:36
stephgentil: they're probably there but your tracker DB may be messed up16:36
ggabrielLieke: ta16:37
entilstephg: I went into joe q average user mode, ie. I panicked a bit and restored my backup of them16:37
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entilthere are two other things as well: 1) typing an sms, a smiley at the line break is not a word, it's :\n) which I'm sure it wasn't before and 2) entering the weather app through the notification screen leaves the semi-opaque overlay on16:38
entilI'll see if these are on tjc a bit later, but just to get them flushed out ther16:38
entil+e16:38
louisdkIf I choose to opt in and install update 11 should I first uninstall sailfish browser nightly installed from https://openrepos.net/content/sailfishbrowsernightly/sailfish-browser-nightly?16:39
PeperJohnnyAt least the thing with the smiley is normal afair16:39
PeperJohnnyi had for a long time i think16:39
entilI'm almost sure the smiley thing used to be a word16:39
PeperJohnnyOh16:40
PeperJohnnyIt's treated as a word now16:40
entilanyone who hasn't updated yet? wanna check that out before I make a fool of myself on tjc?16:40
ggabrielentil: i haven't16:41
ggabrielso you want me to send myself a text with :\n) and see if it comes as a smiley?16:41
ggabrielor to send out a text?16:41
entilggabriel: no... when composing a message if you're in mid-smiley when the line breaks, does it push the : onto the next line or not?16:41
PeperJohnnyentil: for me it does so with todays update16:42
PeperJohnnyjust tried it a minute ago16:42
ggabrielentil: it pushes the : to the next line16:42
entilthis is weird, I can't reproduce it :O16:42
ggabrielit fixes itself automatically16:43
ggabrielnew feature ;)16:43
entilno, it's still ther16:43
entilthe smiley I used was :(16:43
entiland that still gets split for me, how's it for you?16:43
ggabrieli used :)16:43
ggabrielwait16:43
entil(I used it because I told a friend the new weather app isn't as good as meecast :|)16:44
PeperJohnny:( isn't working16:44
PeperJohnny;) does however16:44
ggabrielok, :( doesn't work16:44
ggabriel:) does16:44
entilso it's not a new issue16:44
ggabrielyou're not allowed to be sad16:44
ggabrieli think it's a feature16:45
PeperJohnnyWith a Jolla you're always happy ;)16:45
entilhehe16:45
ggabrielif it detects that you aren't, it should spray some happy drug16:45
ggabrielactually, i read that in a scifi novel16:46
virtualdoptimistjolle :)16:46
Stskeepsggabriel: cocaine TOH16:46
ggabrielummm does that really make you happy? :)16:46
PeperJohnnyultimately maybe^^16:46
virtualdso, is the jolla tablet any good for hackers?16:46
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entili.minus.com/ibyLmqa6CmFAj7.gif toh looping that16:47
ggabrielvirtuald: we haven't seen it yet16:47
ggabriel#soon16:47
entilso very swedish16:47
virtualdok16:47
virtualddoes it have a date set?16:47
ggabrielmay/201516:47
HarhaanJohtajawhen I am using the browser in landscape and access the eventsview and then close the eventsview with swipe from the bottom then browser is briefly in portrait16:48
HarhaanJohtajais it just me or does everybody have it?16:48
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PeperJohnnyHarhaanJohtaja: I have this one as well16:48
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entilStskeeps: where should I comment on the weather-app-through-notifications bug? a new question on tjc or https://together.jolla.com/question/82037/release-notes-upgrade-112-yliaavanlampi-early-access/ or what?16:49
Price15xExcuse me. I accidentally locked my SIM card on my Jolla16:49
Price15xCan someone please help?16:49
StskeepsPrice15x: doesn't it ask for a PUK code?16:50
Price15xyes but I am not sure what that is16:50
Stskeepsyou should know that from when you got your sim, i believe16:50
chem|stPrice15x: that is written on you operator SIM credentials16:50
Stskeepssome operators allow to ask them what it was16:51
Price15xwell there are some numbers on my sim card16:51
chem|stPrice15x: there is PIN1 PIN2 and if you lock those you need to enter PUK1 PUK2 accordingly, if you lock those (10inputs usually) you need a new SIM16:52
chem|stPrice15x: the codes are not written on the SIM16:52
chem|stthat would be stupid... the Box or the Card or the Letter where you got your SIM16:52
chem|sthas those 4 codes16:53
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chem|stusually masked with a scratch-field sticker (scratch with a coin patches)16:54
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entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/82183/bug-weather-in-yliaavanlampi-11215-early-access/ made a new one to get it out of my head16:55
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entilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/82185/bug-gallery-emptied-upgrading-to-yliaavanlampi-early-access/16:57
entiland food ->16:57
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Price15xchem|st: Thank you very much. I requested the PUK from my service provider and managed to unlock the device17:10
chem|styou are welcome17:10
chem|stentil: how may I reproduce that weather thing?17:11
PeperJohnnychem|st: open it from eventsview17:11
chem|stPeperJohnny: that opens weather... just like it should17:11
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PeperJohnnyyeah now close it and reopen it the normal way17:12
PeperJohnnythe background will be different17:12
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kimmolithe app and eventsview are different?17:13
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kimmoliapp starts from eventsview pulldown too17:13
PeperJohnnyif you open it from eventsview it will have the same background as eventsview17:13
PeperJohnnyelse it will have the "normal" background as every other app17:13
chem|stit is an eventsview page...17:14
kimmolino17:14
kimmoliand app is app17:14
PeperJohnnyyeah i guessed it was working as intended17:14
chem|stit is supposed to be the same as eventsview17:14
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r0kk3rzyaaay update17:52
Sail0rlate :P17:54
Sail0rautomatic connection switching seems buggy17:55
MikaelaI only noticed that the captive portal thing didn't give me so much browser popups17:56
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omicron23Hi there, is it possible to Browser the jolla store for jolla apps without requiring a sailfish phone? I want to get an overview on what is available there...17:58
Mikaelano, there is feature request though, moment17:59
Sail0ranyone https://together.jolla.com/question/82201/bug-automatic-connection-switching-in-yliaavanlampi-11215-early-access/ ?17:59
Mikaelaomicron23: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/17:59
omicron23OK thanks.18:00
Mikaelaworked for me18:00
Mikaelayou're welcome18:00
PeperJohnnySail0r: I have no 4g for testing. But going from 3g to wifi works here without me doing anything18:01
r0kk3rzomicron23: you dont need a browser to tell you whats in harbour18:01
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Sail0rhm does not work here18:02
Sail0rit seems like it's even not scanning18:02
omicron23r0kk3rz: well that was auto correction on Android Messing up "browse" ...;-)18:03
r0kk3rzhah18:03
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omicron23I just wanted to have a look around the available apps before deciding to buy a jolla..18:04
r0kk3rzi was more meaning that there isnt much in harbour18:04
r0kk3rzif anything openrepos.net is a better indication of whats available18:04
omicron23r0kk3rz: oh, i will have a look..thx!18:05
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tadzikwell, there's not that much on openrepos either ;p18:05
r0kk3rzomicron23: but you can use any android app you want, with certain limitations18:05
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r0kk3rztadzik: theres not much anywhere18:07
tadzikyes18:07
omicron23Dunno if thats the right place to ask : buy a jolla now vor wait until after mwc and maybe get a successor? Lately I was thinking jolla is cleaning up the stock (special offers and so on..)18:08
Sail0rit looks like it tried it18:08
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Sail0rand never got associated18:08
Sail0rand then gave up18:08
r0kk3rzomicron23: given that MWC is in a couple of weeks, probably worth waiting18:09
r0kk3rzand by all accounts theres a bit of a wait on jolla phones18:09
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kroomicron23: I guess it also depends on your budget - get an older Jolla now for ~200 EUR, or get a new one (if there will be a new one at all) for probably more around 400-ish  or even more18:12
omicron23kro: yeah I know.. But the last phone I bought was the n900 and then I was lucky to win a N9. So I would be OK with spending a bit more if that means more recent Hardware..18:14
omicron23And I have to say I enjoy the N9 quite a bit...but it is getting slow...especially Ehen concerning emails. Bzw. How is the performance oft jolla concerning emails? Compared to a current Android vor ioios device?18:17
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r0kk3rzemails work, not sure what you mean by 'performance'18:19
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Lucky_lukei try update mazelock patch and give ne error nothing provides lipstick jolla home qt5 0.24.23.1 needed by sailfishos Mazelockpatch 00.12.118:22
entilomicron23: my guess is they're not going to release a phone now - they're still in the startup phase and just raked in the cash to get a tablet out18:23
entildon't take my word for it, but it would feel weird if they released something new18:23
entiland somewhat unrelated, plz upvote this https://together.jolla.com/question/63384/browser-back-and-forward-page-lists-with-long-pressswipe-up/ :D I was about to crack a new with the very same thing when I found it, it'd be a great feature18:23
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kroomicron23: I stood before the same decision, but I decided not to wait :) Btw, the sluggish mail thing on N9 gets better if you remove the account + mails, and re-create it... seems it wasn't thought for bigger IMAP boxes, once it has 5000..15000 mails it freezes for a couple seconds every time you open it or swtch to it :(18:24
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r0kk3rzentil: it depends on who 'they' is, the announcement could be a third party manufacturer running sailfish18:24
entilr0kk3rz: shit, bro, you're right18:24
entilthat *would* be great news18:24
r0kk3rzindeed18:24
entilthen the question is, do you want tohkbd or not :D18:25
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r0kk3rzbut who knows really, you're unlikely to have a jolla shipped to you before MWC happens omicron23, so just wait and see18:27
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kror0kk3rz: min is in Fedex' hands... should arrive here tomorrow according to tracking18:29
ikarusmeh, I want a purple or atleast the pink or red TOH18:29
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omicron23r0kk3rz: ;-)  i guess so...and meanwhile I will have a look at the SDK (10yrs+ c++/qt experience lingering here ;-)  )18:30
entilthe missus' jolla's in picking as well, should arrive soon18:30
r0kk3rzomicron23: SDK is much what you'd expect really18:34
r0kk3rzqtcreator18:34
r0kk3rzand sailfish running in a vm18:34
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omicron23R0kk3rz: and sailfish qt quick components i guess?18:35
r0kk3rzyeah, but not many18:35
r0kk3rzand they just theme or extend base qtquick components18:36
r0kk3rznothing too radical18:36
omicron23OK, then it seems to be straight forward to create simple apps..18:36
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r0kk3rzyeah if you know Qt, then making a sailfishapp should be a piece of cake for you18:36
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omicron23:) nice...18:37
Lucky_lukeany help for me ?18:38
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omicron23Alright.cu guys. Will be back with a jolla or one oft its succesors in my pocket ;-)19:08
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Morpog_PCso when is update 12 out? :D :D20:26
j-dogeit was just delayed20:27
j-dogeone day per somebody asking20:27
j-doge(as has always been)20:27
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Stskeepshttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/20:28
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_inte_hello jolla20:28
_inte_does the phone support 128gb sd cards20:28
_inte_given its formatted in e.g. extfs220:28
_inte_or btrfs20:28
Morpog_PCi think so20:29
_inte_or sth.?20:29
_inte_just about to upgrade my 16gb20:29
_inte_anybody here who tried it out?20:29
Yaniel64GB works fine as btrfs and ext4 at least20:29
Morpog_PC<-- 32gb fat32 :D20:29
_inte_yeah sure20:30
Stskeeps^ you guys will want to read the above url, then proceed to go crying under the nearest duvet20:30
_inte_i followed the discussion for the tablet :)20:30
Morpog_PCI just read the summary on twitter and don't want to read furtehr :D20:30
_inte_far32 sucks anyway20:30
_inte_Morpog_PC: me too, actually i followed it on the news20:31
AcceStskeeps: good nights story?20:31
_inte_huge discussion on heise.de (german)20:31
StskeepsAcce: i'm going to be seeing nightmares.20:31
r0kk3rzStskeeps: :(20:31
_inte_anyways, do 128gb cards work in the phone when formatted properly?20:31
r0kk3rzffs, now we have to roll our own sim cards20:31
_inte_.oO(well i guess i could still use it in the tablet if it doesnt:-))20:32
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_inte_found this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92490&page=620:34
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r0kk3rzStskeeps: Jolla to Jolla voice encryption?20:36
_inte_from what ive learnd 128gb cards should work fine in ext420:36
_inte_ill guess ill go for it if i dont get any warnings here...? :)20:37
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r0kk3rz_inte_: do it, and report back20:38
_inte_yeah :)20:38
_inte_i only wonder if this is fake: http://www.ebay.de/itm/128GB-Micro-SD-Card-Adapter-NEU-fur-Samsung-Galaxy-Sony-GPS-MP3-Player-Polen-/111576852180?pt=DE_Computer_Speicherkartenadapter&hash=item19fa7fa6d420:41
_inte_pretty cheap20:41
Stskeepsr0kk3rz: i'm just thinking 'fuck this, i'm becoming a farmer' at this point20:41
_inte_€2020:41
TeemuStskeeps: nevermind, the spies are everywhere20:42
_inte_sometimes id also like to work outdoors in a somewhat rural area20:44
_inte_should be fun for sure20:45
_inte_at least to some extend20:45
Teemufor that specific reason i decided to move out in the countryside20:45
Obi-Lanthey would still follow you with satellites20:47
_inte_and black helicopters20:47
Obi-Lanbtw lumia opens also with doubletap20:47
Teemuif you have a suspiciously small digital signature, they'll get very specific in following what you do20:48
Teemua friend found this out in a not so nice series of events20:48
r0kk3rzStskeeps: good plan20:49
Teemusome people i know do specifically for this very purpose put out quite large digital footprint so as to hide their more important acts in the sheer amount of noise20:49
r0kk3rzTeemu: then it just becomes an IR problem20:50
ShadowJK_inte_; that's too cheap20:50
Teemumany tens of some photos a day, 4square always on etc20:50
Teemuso much data that nobody will have the guts to sit through reading all that shit in order to find anything interesting20:51
Teemumostly anybodys life is pretty mundane20:51
StskeepsTeemu: or go for the wally method.. data that would blind anybody20:51
_inte_ShadowJK: I think so, but it is so... cheap :-)20:51
ShadowJKStskeeps; i thought sim encryption was brute forceable in minutes with a couple of dollars of AWS20:52
Teemuthing is, if some entities really is dedicating effort into finding out things about _you_, they will do that somehow20:52
StskeepsShadowJK: yeah.. but there's fun aspects to this too, like ability to load sim toolkit shit on to it..20:52
Teemunever mind hos encrypted you are and how well you care about putting on a very little footprint etc20:53
Teemus/hos/how/20:53
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_inte_Teemu thats funny thats the way i use facebook20:57
_inte_as many friends as possible20:57
_inte_of course most of them i dont even know20:57
_inte_as many likes as possible20:57
_inte_simple klick on the recommedations every time you log in20:58
_inte_well20:58
_inte_facebook got you anyways as soon as you received an invitation20:58
_inte_so why not pretending to know everyone on the planet?20:58
Obi-Lanand who you are misleading21:00
_inte_i dont know21:01
_inte_but i just dont feel well having only my close circle of friends (like 50) as friends on facebook21:01
_inte_maybe better to pretend knowing anybody21:02
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_inte_of course, i could just not use facebook at all21:02
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Teemui have never used facebook21:03
Teemumy relatives tell me there's still a me in there21:03
_inte_hehe21:03
Accethey keep marking you to their photos?21:03
_inte_well it useful sometimes21:03
_inte_especially when youve been traveling and you still have contact with people you met like 15y ago21:04
_inte_and you probably would never write an email21:04
Acceit's useful in case I need to contact someone I contact only maybe once a year21:04
Acceso I can keep them out of my phone21:04
_inte_Acce: you can disallow beeing marked in fotos21:04
_inte_i guess21:04
_inte_none of my friends has ever marked me yet21:04
Acce_inte_: I guess that's progress then.. but if you're not in the fb, then you can't prevent them from writing your name, can you? :)21:05
_inte_whe sometimes make a fun of it and mark funny pics with friend names21:05
Teemuthing is, i cannot disable that as i'm not using facebook21:05
_inte_Acce: exact21:05
Obi-Lannasty business21:05
_inte_Teemu: im not sure if you could be marked in that case21:05
_inte_however21:05
_inte_im not sure if people how are not in facebook can be marked at all21:06
ottulo_you can just write the name21:06
ottulo_it doesn't appear as a link, but is visible as usual21:06
_inte_ah ok21:07
_inte_i never use this feature, since my jolla doesnt support it21:07
_inte_:-)21:07
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_inte_i saw on my gfs android phone that it almost forces you to enter peoples names if the face recognition detects a face21:07
_inte_how anoying21:07
_inte_as if one doesnt know who is on the pic21:08
Acceyeah, and the fb app bloats and bloats21:08
Accenow they decided to split it into two pieces of bloat21:08
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Teemuoh the feces and the box?21:09
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_inte_i dont know the fb app21:11
_inte_i use "friends":)21:11
_inte_and my gf doesnt use fb21:11
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WntI'm again experiencing a problem where the store client doesn't list any updates available while "zypper list-updates" show a update being available for sailfish-maps: https://together.jolla.com/question/82273/yliaavanlampi-store-doesnt-offer-maps-update/21:27
Aardxfade_: ^^21:27
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WntAard: xfade_ I can provide futher debugging information if that helps you guys21:28
Wntbut that will happen tomorrow, now I'm off to bed!21:30
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coderusPowermenu 2 - fancy menu and configuration for power key actions for #SailfishOS.21:32
coderushttps://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu-221:32
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Morpog_PCthx coderus works perfect21:57
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ahjolinnacoderus: any progress with f-secures search engine?22:02
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coderusahjolinna: what you mean?22:04
ahjolinnacoderus: https://openrepos.net/comment/6194#comment-619422:04
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coderusahjolinna: so, it just not working22:05
coderuspoke sailfish-browser devs22:05
ahjolinnaok22:06
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pdanekIs Toronto best city to work in IT?22:37
pdanek:D22:37
klopsi-u3maybe minneapolis22:38
M4rtinKBrno! :)22:38
pdanekhaha, Brno is good, but not so many IT opportunities22:39
pdanekI mean, a lot comparing to size22:39
pdanekand low salaries :(22:40
M4rtinKwell, it has the biggest Red Hat engineering office in the world ;-)22:45
pdanekyeah, it does22:49
pdanekstill salaries are way too low22:49
pdanekmuch higher salaries in Prague22:50
M4rtinKI wouldn't say it is that bad22:50
pdanekyou can get really good freelance contracts in Prague22:50
M4rtinKalso Prague also has higher living costs22:50
pdanekand I haven't seen much contract jobs in Brno22:50
M4rtinKand I don't really like Prague personally :)22:50
M4rtinKkinda too big & tourist oriented for my taste :)22:51
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r0kk3rz stockholm maybe22:54
r0kk3rzi hear the tech sector is doing quite well22:54
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