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| politie | im considering buying the jolla phone with the current discount going on. im just worried that the battery life might be bad when you are using android apps. any experience on this? i only want to charge my phone at night preferably | 00:39 |
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| politie | i read mixed things | 00:40 |
| klopsi-u3 | depends on the app | 00:40 |
| politie | would be whatsapp, and an app for trading incase theres isnt a native one | 00:41 |
| klopsi-u3 | anything that is going to do continuous 3g data will drain battery | 00:43 |
| klopsi-u3 | but i dont have experience with it on a jolla phone so ignore me | 00:43 |
| politie | ah any input is welcome | 00:44 |
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| tadzik | I don't see any more usage with android apps than regular apps, fwiw | 00:44 |
| politie | how long can you go on a charge? | 00:46 |
| tadzik | usually around 3 days | 00:46 |
| politie | pretty long | 00:46 |
| tadzik | I'm not a particularly heavy user :) | 00:46 |
| politie | use whatsapp? | 00:47 |
| tadzik | no, I don't | 00:47 |
| politie | ok thanks | 00:48 |
| politie | decisions | 00:49 |
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| klopsi-u3 | on the one hand you have a privacy-respecting phone, then you want to run the antithesis to privacy on it | 00:50 |
| tadzik | if you want privacy don't put a simcard in | 00:51 |
| politie | theres certain groups i need to be in on whatsapp, im not going to try and convince people not to use it | 00:52 |
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| klopsi-u3 | ok | 00:54 |
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| politie | the annoying thruth :p | 00:54 |
| klopsi-u3 | true story, the school my girlfriend is in distributes assignments via whatsapp | 00:56 |
| klopsi-u3 | they made an exception for her and send them to her via email | 00:56 |
| politie | haha unbelievable | 01:01 |
| klopsi-u3 | at least one teacher did that, i dont know about the rest | 01:03 |
| klopsi-u3 | but everyone else in her class had whatsapp | 01:03 |
| klopsi-u3 | despite the fact that it wants access to all your contacts and calendar | 01:04 |
| politie | id allready like whatsapp more if theyd just allowed third party apps. | 01:06 |
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| politie | any heavy users in here that wanna share the battery charge life? | 01:27 |
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| aloumpe | 1-2 days man | 01:33 |
| aloumpe | like nokias | 01:33 |
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| politie | sounds good thanks | 01:36 |
| Ezko | 1 shift of drivimg taxi in helsinki :P | 01:36 |
| politie | specific | 01:37 |
| politie | 8 hour shifts? | 01:38 |
| Ezko | 8-12 | 01:41 |
| Ezko | with heavy ircing and uch | 01:41 |
| Ezko | such | 01:41 |
| Ezko | i've been at work for 5 hours now and i'm at 50% | 01:42 |
| politie | hmm | 01:42 |
| Ezko | started at 90 i think | 01:43 |
| Ezko | lasts better than my desire z did when new | 01:43 |
| politie | screen on alot i assume | 01:44 |
| Ezko | yeah | 01:44 |
| politie | ok thanks for the info | 01:44 |
| Ezko | i read irc/fb when driving without customers a lot and almost constantly when waiting for them | 01:45 |
| Ezko | overall i'm happy | 01:45 |
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| Ezko | with battery performance | 01:45 |
| Ezko | almost never have to charge if i start at full | 01:46 |
| politie | Sounds like i can manage atleast a day on it | 01:48 |
| politie | The gestures seem really convenient too. Are notifications visible without pulling up the notification screen? | 01:51 |
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| aloumpe | only the icons | 01:57 |
| aloumpe | calls sms emails as icons | 01:58 |
| politie | Ok great | 01:58 |
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| Ezko | email too | 02:20 |
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| politie | only on the lockscreen? | 02:38 |
| politie | oh theres a notification light | 02:45 |
| Ezko | yeah notification light lights up with fb messenger too | 02:49 |
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| Apteryx | Hello! If I buy the Jolla Phone + Jolla Tablet indigogo bundle, can I get in shipped to Canada? | 05:07 |
| Yaniel | the list of supported countries is on the indiegogo page | 05:07 |
| Yaniel | not sure if canada was there, probably not (US is not) | 05:08 |
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| Yaniel | but having someone in a supported country forward it to you is not that uncommon | 05:09 |
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| Apteryx | it's not there... | 05:11 |
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| jaacoppi | Ezko: what, you read irc and fb while driving? | 05:35 |
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| Miski | Nicd-: F-Secure replied (finally), emailing younited-feedback@f-secure.com with the info on the about page in the webapp (userid, customerid, licenseid) and asking them to delete the account worked | 08:37 |
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| Sail0r | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/supporting-the-development-of-saera-on-sailfishos | 09:11 |
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| tadzik | yeah, that got popular fast :) | 09:27 |
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| coderus | if virtual implemented as {} or { return 0 } you might not reimplement it | 13:30 |
| coderus | but pure virtual = 0; should be implemented | 13:31 |
| Ezko | jaacoppi: yes | 13:31 |
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| jubo2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop | 15:17 |
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| jubo2 | Doitnaohomie. | 15:18 |
| jubo2 | You are on course for destruction if you will continue to diss userfriendly and proven FM-reception technology | 15:18 |
| jubo2 | the digital is always out to get you | 15:18 |
| jubo2 | the analog always is chill to you | 15:19 |
| jubo2 | Analog. Do you speak it Jolla Oy ? | 15:19 |
| jubo2 | Can I talk about my Jolla constantly rebooting or do I get the other wrong end of the bannhammer | 15:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | jubo2: you can talk about it | 15:29 |
| r0kk3rz | there are known 'fixes' for it | 15:30 |
| jubo2 | r0kk3rz: okdänks | 15:30 |
| jubo2 | I think I just need a working copy of the HW and the SW | 15:30 |
| jubo2 | which I currently don't have | 15:30 |
| r0kk3rz | ? | 15:31 |
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| attah | Wooohhooo! This calls for celebration, I have not only managed to get "am" to work in alien-dalvik, i can now invoke intents as i please from the command line | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, that's interesting | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | blog? | 15:50 |
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| attah | are you asking if i want to write about it? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | ye | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | s | 15:51 |
| tiwake | http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=24421 | 15:51 |
| tiwake | that article is funny | 15:51 |
| attah | i was planning on putting it on together once i have packaged it up a bit.. i.e. tomorrow | 15:52 |
| attah | or were you thinking something more formal? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, together works | 15:54 |
| attah | this also means you guys have no excuse not to make android cover actions a thing ;) | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | cover actions are a bit funny when they don't have native support is it | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | isnt it | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | or is there typical actions | 15:58 |
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| attah | huh? | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | They talked me into using both phasebook and whatsapp in under 1.5 weeks at uni | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | It's handy | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | not as advanced as wikis | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | all off-topic | 15:59 |
| attah | i mean user configurable in settings where one can choose from the published intents | 16:00 |
| jubo2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop <- before this stuff getting FM reception in trains was almost impossible | 16:00 |
| jubo2 | that is electric trains | 16:00 |
| jubo2 | Analog radio is nice and gentle on the consumer | 16:01 |
| jubo2 | it will not stalk coz it cannot stalk | 16:01 |
| jubo2 | unless NOK | 16:01 |
| jubo2 | in which case too bad | 16:01 |
| Teemu | phase locked loops are Good(TM) | 16:02 |
| Yaniel | > can't stalk analog radio | 16:02 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: can | 16:02 |
| Yaniel | that's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard today | 16:02 |
| jubo2 | if reception tuning is done with digital system | 16:02 |
| jubo2 | it's trivial to record frequencies and start and end times of reception | 16:03 |
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| jubo2 | Anal-og pour grande droite | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | unless some corrupt NOK HW that stalks your radio habits and transmits | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | that or all the radio channels just spontaneously decide to transmit shit program at same time | 16:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: so something like having android app settings in the app-settings menu? | 16:10 |
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| attah | r0kk3rz: exactly | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | where you could configure things like cover actions, and maybe in future permissions | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | might be a nice place to manage per-app services as well | 16:11 |
| r0kk3rz | since some apps have background services | 16:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | attah: i look forward to your tjc post, should be an interesting read | 16:12 |
| attah | hmm, don't get your expectations up... ;) | 16:13 |
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| jubo2 | r0kk3rz: I'd love a controllable layer that lies to the Android apps | 16:16 |
| jubo2 | I mean both FireFox and Chrome want to "access your precise location at any time" | 16:16 |
| r0kk3rz | as would I | 16:16 |
| r0kk3rz | i think its one of the many things that are 'on the list' | 16:17 |
| jubo2 | I know the Jolla browser is shit annoyance that does not have real tabs | 16:17 |
| coderus | install nightly | 16:17 |
| jubo2 | coderus: that meant for me? | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | these things arent frozen in time, they are being worked on | 16:18 |
| coderus | yes. browser nightly | 16:18 |
| r0kk3rz | looking forward to the new UI for the browser | 16:18 |
| jubo2 | All I can say for certain is to do the Phase-locked loop tech in the Jolla kaksi-piste-nolla HW | 16:19 |
| jubo2 | Although this sorta contradicts what I think I heard that Jollas will be able to upgrade to Sailfish2 | 16:19 |
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| attah | looks like if i just accept that the scripts needs to be run as root i can be done later today | 16:37 |
| * attah needs a beer | 16:37 | |
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| * Stskeeps watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0oQy7jgH_w about ubuntu phone | 18:02 | |
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| Stskeeps | youtube comments are still a shithole though.. | 18:08 |
| * coderus never reads more than 3-4 comments on youtube | 18:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | it's a good way to loose faith in humanity | 18:09 |
| tbr | YT now mixes those with G+ | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 18:10 |
| tbr | so if you ever share a YT video, you migth get your share of profanity | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i rarely upload, but when i do it's usually totally awesome | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:11 |
| tbr | I mean also if you share some random YT link and it gets shown as a video box | 18:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah its interesting | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yt comments are the worst on the internet | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | but why? | 18:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | phone looks good though | 18:14 |
| r0kk3rz | another different take on a mobile ui | 18:14 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: so you also watch "erica, the technology nerd who likes to film stuff" ;) | 18:34 |
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| Stskeeps | tigeli: no, just linked to it | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:57 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: haha :D | 19:01 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: well, she tends to have extensive reviews about phones.. :) | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | my morbid obsessions are not related to technology | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: well morbid obsessions are usually about death | 19:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | which is what makes them morbid | 19:09 |
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| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/38863/how-do-i-trigger-an-android-intent-from-outside-alien-dalvik/?answer=81458#post-id-81458 | 19:11 |
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| bocki | attah, this looks really interresting. awesome research | 19:16 |
| attah | bocki: thanks! | 19:16 |
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| silver_hook | Happy I Love Free Software Day! And thanks for the awesome mobile OS as well as aiming at being as open as possible :) | 19:35 |
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| klopsi-u3 | yes thanks JOlla | 19:36 |
| silver_hook | http://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs | 19:39 |
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| Nicd- | just the other day I though about something related. christian circles have a tradition of donating 10 % of your income to the church. what could we accomplish if we had something similar with regards to open source? if everyone donated 1 % or even 0.1 % of their income to open source projects | 19:42 |
| klopsi-u3 | "if everyone" does something, then a lot can be accomplished | 19:43 |
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| klopsi-u3 | if everyone bought a jolla phone, jolla would do very well | 19:43 |
| Nicd- | yeah, but a lot more people are willing or able to give money than time | 19:44 |
| klopsi-u3 | yes there is at least one jolla developer who is getting funding through indiegogo | 19:44 |
| attah | Haha! first vote on the answer gave me the badge "Necromancer" | 19:44 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: no worries :) | 19:45 |
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| silver_hook | Nicd- that's entirely possible (at least in eu), because you can dedicage that part of your income tax to either the church (default) or any NGO that is registered as working in public good. | 19:45 |
| Nicd- | silver_hook: not in Finland. but you can do it manually | 19:46 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: thanks! | 19:46 |
| attah | not that i need the karma.. but i'm afraid most people won't understand what this means.. | 19:46 |
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| silver_hook | So 1) get NGO 2) register NGO as working in public good 3) ask people to assign their income tax to you 4) profit | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | attah, you put in the effort for the benefit of all, i thought that deserved karma | 19:47 |
| * Trezker left the church recently. Not gonna pay any more tax to something I don't believe in :) | 19:47 | |
| r0kk3rz | silver_hook: wouldnt it be better to use something like bountrysource? | 19:48 |
| silver_hook | Nicd-: could be that it is not eu-wide that the default goes to church. | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | instead of a faux religious organisation | 19:48 |
| klopsi-u3 | is open-source a religion? :) | 19:48 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: sure, and i like it! i just meant i want more people to see it, but not necessarily the karma that comes with it | 19:48 |
| Nicd- | silver_hook: you can't change it in Finland. if you are a member of the lutheran church you have to pay tax to them. if you are not, you don't pay that tax, but you can't "redirect" it anywhere. so you'd do it manually | 19:49 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: I'm not opposed at all to bug bounties. just replying to nicd | 19:49 |
| attah | klopsi-u3: the church of st ignucius... | 19:49 |
| Trezker | http://kopimistsamfundet.se/english/ | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | klopsi-u3: well open-source is a philosophy | 19:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | why does a philosophy need to be about gods to be a religion? | 19:49 |
| Trezker | Buddhism is only a religion for tax purposes. | 19:50 |
| silver_hook | Nicd-: ok , odd. i know in Slovenia you can choose anything you want, regardless | 19:50 |
| klopsi-u3 | I am a disciple and RMS is my prohpet. Prais be the source. | 19:50 |
| silver_hook | anyway, i don't think religion is the topic of this channel | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | RMS does have all the hallmarks of a modern day prophet | 19:50 |
| klopsi-u3 | he was a true leader, no sarcasm | 19:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | but sometimes its better to keep money out of things | 19:51 |
| silver_hook | BTW, the IRC client on Sailfish is brilliant! Needs to be said :) | 19:51 |
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| s1lvester | rms wouldn't want you to use jolla through | 19:56 |
| tadzik | duh. Because it's a phone | 19:59 |
| * attah calls an intent over ssh to resume his audio book | 19:59 | |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, evil qualcomm blobs | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | all phones are inherently evil.. :P | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | let's all get ip over software radio | 20:00 |
| attah | anything short of osmocom wouldn't be enough i guess | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | +defined | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | need p2p mesh networking SDR mobile phones | 20:01 |
| tbr | meh, let's just go back to tube operated short wave radios | 20:02 |
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| s1lvester | attah, are you using a special audio book player? or did you just now send an intent through your script to an android app? | 20:04 |
| attah | i'm using audible | 20:04 |
| attah | so.. com.audible.application.app.PLAY | 20:04 |
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| s1lvester | nice | 20:05 |
| s1lvester | I'll check your script next week... already wrote a todo entry | 20:06 |
| attah | :) | 20:06 |
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