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| the_mgt | hm, what's with apple lossless encoded audio tracks? they show up in media but I can not play them. missing codec? | 08:52 |
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| Nicd- | the_mgt: probably missing codec | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | I could not play ALAC either | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | might want to convert to FLAC or MP3 | 08:54 |
| the_mgt | no, might want to install codec | 08:56 |
| tbr | it shouldn't be that hard to build some additional gst-plugins-* packages | 09:00 |
| the_mgt | grilo-plugin-apple-trailers <- now this is a package I can't live without... | 09:02 |
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| the_mgt | hm, wikipedia claims it is part of gst-plugins-bad, and links to this: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/html/gst-plugins-bad-plugins-plugin-faac.html | 09:27 |
| the_mgt | but aac is advanced audio coding, not apple lossless, if i undertstand it correctly. aac works fine here | 09:28 |
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| the_mgt | seems to be the correct codec though, "file" claims that some .m4a files that play are the same AAC-LC codec as those files that do not play | 09:40 |
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| tbr | the_mgt: ALAC is something quite different than AAC-LC | 09:52 |
| the_mgt | it should be, yes | 09:55 |
| the_mgt | so either file is wrong or itunes is bullshitting me. I set itunes to apple lossless and ripped a few cds | 09:56 |
| the_mgt | they are listed as AAC-LC on my jolla phone, using file. some play, some dont | 09:56 |
| bweimer | Would there be someone here who knows what libraries are used in Maliit IMF for more fancier text input like Pinyin? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | bweimer: nuance | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | 3rd party offering | 09:59 |
| bweimer | Ok, thanks! So a commercial offering... | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | fancier input is damned hard to get in commercially suitable form :) | 10:00 |
| tbr | the_mgt: don't be deceived by them being inside an m4a container | 10:01 |
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| the_mgt | tbr: I set itunes to import using Apple Lossless-Encoder, Itunes tells me that the m4a songs which I just played are indeed apple lossless. so i guess "file" is wrong in this case | 10:19 |
| tbr | yes, file can most likely NOT see inside the container, it can just identify the MPEG4 container and maybe by conjecture of the file extension guess it's maybe AAC | 10:20 |
| tbr | same would happen with an Opus encoded file | 10:21 |
| the_mgt | some of the files that dont play have a different bitrate | 10:21 |
| tbr | it would tell you that it's Ogg or maybe that it's ogg/vorbis | 10:21 |
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| Yaniel | doesn't opus have its own extension though | 10:26 |
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| tbr | Yaniel: only the file extension differs, the container is bit identical Ogg | 10:27 |
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| tbr | so a stupid fingerprint will just say "this is an ogg container" | 10:27 |
| tbr | the custom file extension is done exactly for the reason fo the user crowd being stupid that way "but it says XYZ, why can't it play" | 10:28 |
| tbr | there is a brazillion of people that call files that contain vorbis encoded audio "Ogg" | 10:29 |
| tbr | too bad that it can also contain Theora video (often differentiated as .ogv) or speex or kate or Opus or Midi or ... | 10:30 |
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| tbr | just like .avi or .mkv can contain a variety of things | 10:31 |
| the_mgt | don't blame the user for this nonsense | 10:31 |
| Yaniel | so what you gonna do, head | xxd? | 10:32 |
| the_mgt | you wouldnt blame him if he bought a package of "milk" which contains apple juice | 10:32 |
| Yaniel | true | 10:33 |
| tbr | the_mgt: it's more like if you said that all cans are now Beer, regardless if they contain Beer or coke or fanta or pepsi | 10:38 |
| tbr | the answer is the same for both, look at the content description, not at the container itself | 10:39 |
| the_mgt | anyway, I need fixed codecs. need to check wether newer versions of the bad plugins work | 10:41 |
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| jlind | hi guys. I'm having some problems with using the norwegian BankId authentification system (it uses the sms toolkit or whatever it is called) | 11:10 |
| Yaniel | some two-factor auth thing? | 11:10 |
| jlind | yeah | 11:11 |
| jlind | Its a bit problematic, as I can log in with the thing, but then I am suppose to verify a payment, and it gets stuck, screen goes black | 11:12 |
| jlind | if I swipe away the app, then I get the sms app icon, and I can click it to make it come back | 11:12 |
| tbr | it's SIM-toolkit | 11:12 |
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| tbr | and it's all sorts of "fun", if you are kinky that way | 11:12 |
| jlind | yeah, I can imagine. But being able to do authentication through SIM-toolkit it norway is pretty essential for users of some banks unfortunately | 11:14 |
| jlind | s/it norway/in Norway/ | 11:15 |
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| yunta | Hello everybody! As a proud member of worldcommunitygrid Jolla team, I'd like to announce that as of today we collectively contributed a full one year of computation time. | 11:16 |
| yunta | Our effort went mostly into projects related to curing cancer and aids, but also into clean energy research, and general biology research. | 11:16 |
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| yunta | I'd like to thank all the members for participation and making our world better. You're all awesome! | 11:16 |
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| yunta | For those who didn't join us yet, and want their CPUs to be more useful - install boinc, register to wcg, join team Jolla, and start computing! | 11:16 |
| yunta | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=HPVMMFT422 | 11:16 |
| tbr | jlind: your best bet, if you cant get someone here interested is to post on TJC and hope someone cares | 11:19 |
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| Mikaela | RE: toh not appearing after week (and counting) from Jolla store, Post suggests me to contact Jolla about it who said to contact Post if I have questions on the process | 11:45 |
| Scelt | Aard: yo honey badger. time for an early badger update? | 11:46 |
| Mikaela | +1 (if I recall where this refers to correctly) :) | 11:46 |
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| * Mikaela opened ticket to Jolla now | 12:22 | |
| Mikaela | no update this side, but maybe it will arrive tomorrow or on Saturday or Sunday or alternative :(. | 12:23 |
| pp | friday at ~= 4-5pmish is typical | 12:24 |
| pp | but who knows how this new system works :-) | 12:25 |
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| Mikaela | which TZ? | 12:27 |
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| pp | EET | 12:33 |
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| Mikaela | what is EET again (UTC offset)? | 12:39 |
| Mikaela | oh, UTC+2 and I am on EET | 12:39 |
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| Nicd- | Mikaela: EET is Finnish time :) | 12:52 |
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| Mikaela | I noticed, but I never learn those names | 12:56 |
| giucam | Eastern European Time :) | 12:59 |
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| Mikaela | my TOH had had delivery issue and they have sent it pack to me today | 13:08 |
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| Mikaela | *back | 13:11 |
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| chem|st | after a fresh factory reset, when I do not have $std wlan available - I do not have ssh - no terminal... so I could go rescue-shell mount / and go from there but that's about it... any other idea? (need to setup enterprise networking) | 13:35 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: use usb lan? | 13:51 |
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| the_mgt | copy config file to sdcard, mv to destination | 13:52 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: without terminal? | 13:53 |
| the_mgt | i thought dev mode was built in? | 13:53 |
| chem|st | dev mode needs to be activated | 13:55 |
| the_mgt | then i did not understand your problem. do you have no working screen? | 13:56 |
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| ejjoman | no wlan -> no dev. mode, i think... | 13:57 |
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| ejjoman | chicken/egg problem: no wlan -> no dev. mode -> no wlan (enterprise networking needs to be set up manually in conf file) | 14:02 |
| tadzik | yeah | 14:05 |
| the_mgt | use thethering with another device? | 14:08 |
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| TMavica | Mikaela: same, toh returning | 14:17 |
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| Kabouik | Hi, I'm trying to follow this guide to free up some space on my Jolla (by moving /data/media/ to the sdcard) because I have several issues with my Jolla, probably caused by the internal memory being full. At least partly caused by that. (the guide here: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/) | 15:05 |
| Kabouik | But at the last step, I get that error: | 15:05 |
| Kabouik | [root@Jolla media]# systemctl enable androidsdcard.service | 15:05 |
| Kabouik | Failed to issue method call: Bad message | 15:05 |
| Kabouik | Any ideas? | 15:05 |
| trt` | seems like there is no one in here that can help you Kabouik | 15:07 |
| ejjoman | Kabouik: seems like your androidsdcard.service is faulty | 15:08 |
| trt` | ahh | 15:08 |
| trt` | sorry i was wrong | 15:08 |
| ejjoman | Kabouik: please double-check for typos (new lines where they not belong, etc) | 15:08 |
| Kabouik | I just copy/pasted the code from the link | 15:09 |
| ejjoman | the ExecStart-line seems to have a line-break there | 15:10 |
| ejjoman | that does not belong there in the actual file :) | 15:10 |
| ejjoman | otherwise: idk, sorry | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | Oh, true ejjoman! | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | [root@Jolla sdcard]# systemctl enable androidsdcard.service | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | ln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants/androidsdcard.service' | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | ln -s '/etc/systemd/system/androidsdcard.service' '/etc/systemd/system/aliendalvik.service.wants/androidsdcard.service' | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | I get that now | 15:11 |
| ejjoman | looks good to me | 15:11 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot then! | 15:12 |
| Kabouik | The guide says to copy the files from /data/media instead of moving them, but if I don't want to remove the sdcard ever, I can just move them, right? Copying them won't free any space | 15:13 |
| ejjoman | yeah, if you copy them, there will no space be freed up - that is how copy works :) | 15:13 |
| Kabouik | I know :D But that just sounds silly to me to run this guide and still keep everything in /data/media, so just asking confirmation I can :P | 15:14 |
| ejjoman | but you can copy them and delete them right after the files were copied successfully | 15:15 |
| ejjoman | it's just safer to copy them first and then delete them on success, because there could be data-loss in case of failure I think | 15:15 |
| Kabouik | Yeah sure, just making sure everything in data/media can be removed, because it seemed odd that the guide says to keep the files here | 15:15 |
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| Aard | alsam | 15:15 |
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| ejjoman | i don't know, what's inside this folder, sorry | 15:16 |
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| ejjoman | but you could simply ask chem|st... he wrote this how-to :D | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: I have not tested what happens when you remove the sdcard | 15:36 |
| Kabouik | Well I guess I'll soon tell you D: | 15:36 |
| chem|st | please do! ;) | 15:36 |
| Kabouik | Oh, well, no I won't. Read too fast! | 15:36 |
| Kabouik | I don't plan on removing the sd card ever | 15:36 |
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| Kabouik | btrfs balance is currently running, hope it will help me freeing up enough space to fix my weird-behaving Jolla | 15:37 |
| chem|st | as I did that move on a blank sys with not much installed on android either I did not care about its size | 15:38 |
| chem|st | you can probably purge it | 15:38 |
| chem|st | worst case is you have to reinstall android and all android-apps | 15:39 |
| Kabouik | Yep, but I have good hopes | 15:40 |
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| Hartzi | /j punasolmu | 15:50 |
| Hartzi | whoops | 15:51 |
| trt` | you spammer! | 15:51 |
| trt` | ;) | 15:51 |
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| Hartzi | :< | 15:51 |
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| ejjoman | so, see ya guys - have to go to cinema now with my gf :D (50 shades..., wish me luck :D ) | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | you'll be in handcuffs | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:00 |
| tadzik | haha | 16:00 |
| ejjoman | :D | 16:00 |
| tadzik | look out for the "warning, wet seat" signs | 16:00 |
| ejjoman | oh, please :/ :D | 16:01 |
| tadzik | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9pliLOCEAE6THQ.png | 16:01 |
| ejjoman | hope so! :D | 16:01 |
| tadzik | heheh | 16:01 |
| ejjoman | we will see :P bye! | 16:02 |
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| tiwake | that picture | 16:11 |
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| chem|st | is there any way to skip the intro after a factory reset? | 16:38 |
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| coderus | ScreenTapShot - overlay screenshot applicatoin for #SailfishOS. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/screentapshot | 17:06 |
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| Jonni | chem|st: yes, upper left, upper right, down right, down left -corner four touch event combo exits the intro. | 17:25 |
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| chem|st | lol | 17:26 |
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| coderus | lol, it works :D | 18:12 |
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| louisdk | One of my Jolla friend dropped it down the stairs and the screen is totally damaged, so now he has brought an Xperia M2 and want to give me his broken Jolla. | 19:22 |
| Ezko | great | 19:22 |
| coderus | louisdk: you need to send it to fi for repair | 19:24 |
| louisdk | coderus, if the repair is not covered by warranty it's quite expensive. | 19:25 |
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| coderus | "dropped it down the stairs and the screen is totally damaged" | 19:26 |
| coderus | it's not covered by warranty :D | 19:26 |
| klopsi-u3 | my n900s survive drops | 19:26 |
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| louisdk | coderus, yearh i know :) Therefore I just want keep it for spare parts. | 19:26 |
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| TemeV | new Jolla is 199 (if the code is still valid) I'd guess repairing the display costs almost the same | 19:34 |
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| Mikaela | I think somewhere was said that the code was valid until 8th/last Sunday | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Squaretrade were not willing to provide coverage on a preorder jolla phone. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone tried for a retail phone? | 19:46 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 21:02 |
| ortylp | hi | 21:03 |
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| * sebsebseb is happy :d | 21:04 | |
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| SfietKonstantin | sebsebseb: :) | 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | SfietKonstantin: uh? | 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | yes I just sorted out my new phone network with my old phone | 21:08 |
| sebsebseb | so neary time to start using my Jolla phone as a phone to then :d | 21:08 |
| SfietKonstantin | :) | 21:09 |
| klopsi-u3 | will finland liberalize their beer laws soon? | 21:10 |
| raa700 | i wouldn't bet on it | 21:11 |
| teve | s | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:50 Talvistudio | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:55 Alppihiihdon MM : N suurpujottelu | 21:12 |
| teve | 00:30 Syke | 21:12 |
| teve | 01:20 Uutisikkuna | 21:12 |
| teve | 04:00 Uutisikkuna | 21:12 |
| teve | 21:00 Enbuske & Linnanahde Crew | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:00 Kymmenen Uutiset | 21:12 |
| klopsi-u3 | gah finland so close to being perfect | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:20 Päivän sää | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:25 MTV Sport Uutiset | 21:12 |
| teve | 22:35 Todistettavasti elossa | 21:13 |
| teve | 01:10 Roba | 21:13 |
| teve | 02:05 Mind Games | 21:13 |
| teve | 03:00 Voittostudio | 21:13 |
| teve | 21:00 Adoptoidut | 21:13 |
| teve | 22:00 Elokuva: Babylon A.D. | 21:13 |
| teve | 00:10 MasterChef VIP | 21:13 |
| teve | 01:10 Kylmä rinki | 21:13 |
| teve | 02:20 Poliisit - kotihälytys | 21:13 |
| teve | 03:20 Frasier | 21:13 |
| teve | 03:50 Naapurini avaruudesta | 21:13 |
| teve | 04:20 Ennustaja-TV | 21:13 |
| teve | 21:00 Rakas, sinusta on tullut pullukka | 21:13 |
| teve | 22:00 Extant | 21:13 |
| teve | 23:00 Lainvalvojat | 21:13 |
| ortylp | ??? spam??? | 21:13 |
| teve | 23:30 Lainvalvojat | 21:13 |
| teve | 00:00 Miehen puolikkaat | 21:13 |
| Teemu | kii tos | 21:13 |
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| coderus | !report teve | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: Error: "report" is not a valid command. | 21:16 |
| coderus | !ban teve | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: Error: "ban" is not a valid command. | 21:16 |
| coderus | !admin | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: Error: "admin" is not a valid command. | 21:16 |
| raa700 | =) | 21:16 |
| coderus | !help | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands. | 21:16 |
| coderus | !list | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: Admin, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, MeetBot, Misc, Notify, Owner, Quote, RSS, Seen, Topic, and User | 21:16 |
| coderus | !help Admin | 21:16 |
| merbot | coderus: Error: There is no command "admin". However, "Admin" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Admin'. | 21:16 |
| coderus | !list Admin | 21:17 |
| merbot | coderus: capability add, capability remove, channels, clearq, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | I don't think you're gonna be able to use the admin commands anyway :P | 21:17 |
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| coderus | i want to report/notify to admin | 21:18 |
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| klopsi-u3 | was it just one bad paste? | 21:21 |
| klopsi-u3 | or is this user doing this often? | 21:21 |
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| Nicd- | I think it was just a mispaste | 21:22 |
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| teve | yep, sorry about that | 21:22 |
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| Nicd- | you should tell your client to ask before pasting :P | 21:23 |
| teve | it was double f*ckup, irssi asked that but I pressed wrong keykombo :-) | 21:23 |
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| Nicd- | I remember when I used mIRC, I had a script with a useful feature. it showed the paste in realtime and allowed you to stop it if it was an accident | 21:24 |
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| Aard | irssi even does that without a script! | 21:32 |
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| coderus | Aard: exactly! | 21:41 |
| klopsi-u3 | wasnt irc invented in finland? | 21:43 |
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| Aard | it was | 21:44 |
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| chem|st | so I have dd'ed the root partition, by accident I have left the lockcode on... now recovery shell says no lockcode booted system says it has a lockcode anyone an idea? I will try empty now but I doubt that it will work | 22:42 |
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| fennekki | you uh | 22:43 |
| fennekki | dd'd the root partition? | 22:44 |
| fennekki | like | 22:44 |
| fennekki | from a backup? or? | 22:44 |
| chem|st | yeah | 22:45 |
| chem|st | works fine but my backup had a lockcode set... | 22:45 |
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| chem|st | another img without lockcode... | 22:49 |
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| chem|st | 14gb @16MB/s is a tad slow | 22:50 |
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| fennekki | I dd'd a 120GB disk at like 24MB/s the other day | 23:10 |
| fennekki | froown | 23:10 |
| chem|st | so recovered... but it does not know the wlan passwords... | 23:10 |
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| chem|st | it actually does not know the wlan... | 23:24 |
| chem|st | I have now a new and an old entry | 23:25 |
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| coderus | chem|st: thats why you need to use tar | 23:44 |
| chem|st | tar? | 23:45 |
| coderus | tarrr tarrr | 23:45 |
| fennekki | rrr | 23:45 |
| fennekki | why so growly | 23:45 |
| chem|st | coderus: I dd'ed the root partition what do I need tar for? | 23:45 |
| coderus | 03:50 < chem|st> 14gb @16MB/s is a tad slow | 23:46 |
| coderus | not to copy null bytes over null bytes :) | 23:46 |
| coderus | only copy data | 23:46 |
| chem|st | ah well I know there is a way I just don't know it so I went with what I know | 23:46 |
| fennekki | dd can actually skip nulls if you want it to | 23:46 |
| fennekki | but uh | 23:47 |
| fennekki | the jolla partitioning is | 23:47 |
| fennekki | there's just one btrfs partition which uses subvolumes, isn't there | 23:47 |
| coderus | about jolla partitioning | 23:47 |
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| chem|st | how do I get my wlan passwords recovered? | 23:48 |
| coderus | you can use btrfs snapshots instead | 23:48 |
| coderus | chem|st: hm, it should be recovered | 23:48 |
| chem|st | all wlans are there but it does not log in and I cannot edit it | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | aren't they just in sqlite somewhere ? | 23:49 |
| chem|st | and joining an AP does ask for the passphrase and then I have two wlans | 23:49 |
| coderus | chem|st: i think they're in conf files? | 23:50 |
| chem|st | I am currently rebuilding my sdcard... on my desktop with proper speed... | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | I really hope they use something more robust on the tablet | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | btrfs might be usable in like 5 years from now | 23:52 |
| chem|st | what are you referring to? | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | but IMHO is not now | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | especially on outdated Android kernels | 23:52 |
| chem|st | btrfs is quiet enjoyable | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | yes, that's a way to put it ;-) | 23:52 |
| chem|st | apart of the balancing it is working quiet good and especially on usb pendrives and sdcards it is a lot faster than other FSs | 23:53 |
| chem|st | especially for OS FSs | 23:53 |
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| fennekki | M4rtinK: what exactly do you think is WRONG with btrfs | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | metadata allocation on small volumes for one | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | like what happens on the Jolla with the 16 GB of storage | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | df that tells lies also isn't nice | 23:56 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: ehrm that is wrong settings and fcked drivers not small volumes... I never had a problem | 23:56 |
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| kelvan | hm just wanted to ask something about my fucked up jolla telling me there is over 2GB free but everything broken because of not enough space left :/ | 23:57 |
| chem|st | the devels have a learnign curve of their own | 23:58 |
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| kelvan | ran into that prob when it shows 1GB free, now it should be less filled and again shows no space left | 23:58 |
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| chem|st | kelvan: what does "btrfs fi df /" show | 23:59 |
| fennekki | the only really weird thing is how if you run out of space, you can't remove stuff | 23:59 |
| fennekki | it makes SENSE | 23:59 |
| fennekki | but it's weird | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | it really sucks that you need more space to reclaim space :) | 23:59 |
| kelvan | http://paste.fedoraproject.org/185008/78557814/ | 23:59 |
| chem|st | I am missing the root-byte | 23:59 |
| kelvan | ther should be free space of all kind | 23:59 |
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