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| coderus | Updated https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation | 00:26 |
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| mornfall | coderus: oh, nifty | 00:33 |
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| cvp__ | coderus, very nice! thanks | 00:51 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: http://elinux.org/ELC_2014_Presentations | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | (not thanks to LF) | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:36 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yeah, but that's ELC not ELCE. Saw it scroll through my stream earlier today. | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ELC was the one that wasn't recorded for sure right | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | due to silly LF stance/behaviour | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | now i get to see what lbt -actually- presented | 07:38 |
| tbr | yeah | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:38 |
| tbr | hehe | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, multiwindow should be entertaining | 07:38 |
| tbr | ELCE was recorded officially by LF, but the contractor "lost the harddrives before post production" | 07:38 |
| tbr | multiwindow, was that the tieto folk? | 07:39 |
| tbr | yes it was | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: ouch | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, better than maemo summit amsterdam, they forgot to wire up the audio to the video.. | 07:40 |
| tbr | lol | 07:40 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I offered to help, including live streams next time. Rumor has it that I know something about such. | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. that you for sure have expertise in | 07:40 |
| tbr | but LF being LF, I don't expect anything | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the tools FOSDEM used to record? | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | looked lo-fi but productive | 07:41 |
| tbr | that looked nice | 07:41 |
| tbr | 31C3 production pipeline was impressive, but these guys do that for decades now | 07:41 |
| wmarone__ | "* Not Java" | 07:41 |
| wmarone__ | sold | 07:41 |
| tbr | and have been using icecast since ever. :) | 07:41 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont understand how it can be difficult to get recordings on things these days | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: yeah, even show up with a gopro.. | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | stick a go-pro on a desk or something | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | i should really just set aside a few hours a week to watch presentations | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | ^^ | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | instead i'm doing powerpoints.. | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:45 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice to catch up on some fosdem talks, since i didnt make it across the north sea | 07:45 |
| tbr | pp, sounds corporate'y | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i had a mental breakdown in the summer over libreoffice making me unable to do my work . :P | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042 - fun | 07:46 |
| r0kk3rz | so they havent fixed the power system on the PI then.... | 07:47 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: and you switched to \latex? ;) | 07:47 |
| r0kk3rz | they need an option for a bigger psu that isnt going through microusb | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i've done that | 07:47 |
| tbr | I've been fond of doing presentations as html with keybindings, years before it was cool. soo hipstar | 07:47 |
| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: isnt the power in available on pinheader too? | 07:49 |
| r0kk3rz | oh is it? | 07:49 |
| r0kk3rz | might have to look into that | 07:50 |
| r0kk3rz | for my piB | 07:50 |
| kimmoli | so libreoffice is not so much better thatn ms office? | 07:50 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: looks like memory corruption somewhere | 07:57 |
| Teemu | power on the raspi pinheaders to my knowledge is just a pin on the rail | 07:58 |
| Teemu | i'm on a mission to push PoE in there just to get rid of stupid musb wallwarts | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, anti-flash might be a good way to prevent prototype leaks.. | 07:59 |
| kimmoli | tbr: yep. it is static noise until somethibg on screen changes, then noise changes too. | 08:00 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: flash triggered explosives? :> | 08:01 |
| tbr | what could possibly go wrong | 08:01 |
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| Teemu | html with keybindings sounds cool until i remembered html is *ml and they all annoy the h out of me compared to simpler things such as markdown | 08:03 |
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| Nicd- | can someone explain like I'm 5 why would the Pi 2 freeze due to a camera flash? why is there a photosensitive component? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | physics? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:16 |
| Nicd- | yeah but what's the real life use of the component that is photosensitive? why is it photosensitive and why is it not covered? | 08:16 |
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| * stephg feels covering pi's infringes on their freedoms ;) | 08:18 | |
| Teemu | there are some fets whose gate is big enough to react and covering it dark enough would make it thick and most of all more expensive | 08:18 |
| Teemu | that's not up to raspi folks to make the components | 08:18 |
| Teemu | whoever makes u16 made an engineering decicion to put it in such a package, perhaps knowingly, perhaps not, that makes it vulnerable | 08:19 |
| kimmoli | Nicd-: if it is just xenon flashes, its emc issue. | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | makes me wonder how it passed CE testing | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | judging by how big **** static electricity sparks those things get.. | 08:21 |
| Teemu | kimmoli: they compared it to just tinywheeny led flashes so light is not out of the question | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | seen on g+: From the datasheet: | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | The DSBGA package is optimized for the smallest possible size in applications with red or infrared opaque | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | cases. Because the DSBGA package lacks the plastic encapsulation characteristic of larger devices, it is | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | vulnerable to light. Backside metallization and/or epoxy coating, along with front side shading by the printed | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | circuit board, reduce this sensitivity. However, the package has exposed die edges. In particular, DSBGA | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | devices are sensitive to light, in the red and infrared range, shining on the package’s exposed die edges. | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | (thanks to tbr's post..) | 08:22 |
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| Teemu | xenon flashes make a hell of a noiseband since their rise time is so fast | 08:23 |
| Teemu | in emc | 08:23 |
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| kimmoli | both can be fixed with "goo" | 08:24 |
| kimmoli | "blinds open, not working, blinds closed, working" is one fault description i have debugged | 08:25 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: thanks to you posting the thread :) | 08:26 |
| Teemu | now what raspi folks can do is to cover that part of pcb with a nice black sticker of batman shape | 08:26 |
| tbr | nanananananana... | 08:26 |
| tbr | meanwhile the one time where I touched perl comes to haunt me: https://github.com/dm8tbr/irssi-jabber-notify/pull/7 | 08:27 |
| Teemu | now that javascript could be done with just javascript | 08:27 |
| kimmoli | is tgr brother of tbr? | 08:28 |
| tbr | no, that would be just weird | 08:29 |
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| kimmoli | ah, it is your ... nevermibd | 08:31 |
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| kimmoli | ah, has anyone done things with pseudo-terminals? | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | if i connect a serial terminal to such, how can i see that comms params have changed? | 08:34 |
| kimmoli | if i use tcgetattr, i can see that they changed when i connect to pts with e.g. picocom | 08:34 |
| kimmoli | mean if i get them with tcgetattr, they are changed, i need to trigger on such change | 08:35 |
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| kimmoli | grr, the new sdk (or qtcreator). earlier version did make new instance of deplyment popup on taskbar. now it doesnt. pros and cons with this. Why the Qt icon couldn't have green ball as it does have red ball on error? | 08:52 |
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| gexc-phone | when does the connection icon show a "!" above it? | 10:18 |
| Morpog_PC___ | when it's fucked up | 10:19 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I usually restart the network then via sailfish utilities | 10:19 |
| gexc-phone | I used iptables rules to set up a transparent proxy, the network connection is established, but there is still a "!" | 10:20 |
| AL13N_jolla | maybe just the detection broje due to transparent proxy | 10:20 |
| AL13N_jolla | does your interney and dns still work? | 10:21 |
| gexc-phone | I used iptables to redirect dns queries to another local port | 10:22 |
| AL13N_jolla | i think detection relies on reachability of jolla servers? | 10:22 |
| Teemu | what about arp? | 10:22 |
| Teemu | AL13N_jolla: something like that yes | 10:22 |
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| Teemu | when i'm on a privately private network the jolla insists on changing to another in the hope of reaching out | 10:23 |
| Teemu | i had to delete aalto_open alltogether | 10:23 |
| gexc-phone | is it the ipv4status thing in connman conf? | 10:23 |
| AL13N_jolla | why redirect dns? doesn't conman already handle this? maybe chexk proxy logs or dns logs to see why detection fails? | 10:23 |
| Teemu | iptables isn't the most friendly when doing advanced stuff | 10:24 |
| Teemu | i'd try pf | 10:24 |
| gexc-phone | redirecting dns for china gfw lol | 10:24 |
| gexc-phone | hmm... | 10:24 |
| AL13N_jolla | also rdfirecting dns will break dnssec | 10:24 |
| gexc-phone | the connection issue is a false alarm though | 10:25 |
| AL13N_jolla | right | 10:25 |
| gexc-phone | is it possible to tell connman to use my own dns then? | 10:28 |
| coderus | /etc/resolv.conf? | 10:35 |
| gexc-phone | 😲 | 10:36 |
| * gexc-phone start playing with this | 10:37 | |
| Mikaela | does /etc/resolv.conf be overwritten automatically by something? Does resolvconf exist for Sailfish? | 10:39 |
| coderus | Mikaela: overwritten bu connman | 10:40 |
| coderus | by* | 10:40 |
| Mikaela | it seems to have good nameserver taste though | 10:40 |
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| Mikaela | what is the DNS server on localhost or is something wrong with my system? It seems to have ::1 and 127.0.0.1 here | 10:41 |
| tbr | that's connman proxying requests | 10:41 |
| Mikaela | :( | 10:42 |
| Mikaela | I thought maybe dnsmasq or unbound that I haven't found yet | 10:42 |
| tbr | why is that ":(" | 10:42 |
| Mikaela | I have habit of running my own caching DNS server everywhere I can stuck it and that is usually either dnsmasq or unbound | 10:42 |
| * gexc tried disabling dns redirect and found the false alarm still persists | 10:44 | |
| gexc | so probably not a dns issue | 10:44 |
| AL13N_jolla | did you check proxy ligs or tcpdump ? | 10:45 |
| gexc | hmm the proxy I use dose not provide detailed logs | 10:45 |
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| gexc | maybe try tcpdumps then | 10:46 |
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| AL13N_jolla | a proxy without access logs... hmm | 10:48 |
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| Teemu | perhaps it is ip proxy not http proxy | 10:50 |
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| AL13N_jolla | anyway, for dns, its better to set it in connman, rather than using iptables... you could probably even have it connection dependent. | 10:50 |
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| AL13N_jolla | Teemu: i guess so, i don't live in asia... | 10:50 |
| AL13N_jolla | i would use openvpn though, much cleaner | 10:51 |
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| gorille | Hello, you know if I should buy a Jolla right now? | 10:52 |
| gorille | or wait? because I don't know if a Jolla 2 will be release this year | 10:52 |
| Mikaela | I think you should | 10:52 |
| AL13N_jolla | also, tbr is right, connman can do dnscache just fine | 10:52 |
| Mikaela | oh, I am not sure on Jolla 2 | 10:52 |
| AL13N_jolla | gorille: jolla 2 is the tablet | 10:52 |
| gorille | (like the pebble, I want buy a pebble but I should wait because a new will be release this year) | 10:53 |
| gorille | oh | 10:53 |
| Mikaela | how about jolla phone 2? | 10:53 |
| AL13N_jolla | so yes, buy the combo :-) | 10:53 |
| gorille | so no new Jolla phone? | 10:53 |
| AL13N_jolla | no idea what the future will bring | 10:53 |
| Teemu | i personally feel it is not likely there will be multiple devices per year | 10:54 |
| AL13N_jolla | but still, less than 500$ for both tablet and phone... it's a good deal | 10:54 |
| gorille | yep, but I don't want a tablet :D | 10:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | on top of that, it's a real linux phone | 10:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | the only only afaik | 10:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | *one | 10:55 |
| gorille | just the phone, and it is release in 2013 so maybe 2015 a new one? | 10:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | no idea | 10:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | i doubt it | 10:55 |
| gorille | so cool :) | 10:55 |
| Teemu | the tablet is not released yet | 10:55 |
| Teemu | it is just announced 2014 | 10:56 |
| Teemu | released 2015 | 10:56 |
| Teemu | it is a small company | 10:56 |
| AL13N_jolla | if there's one, it might be 2018 or something | 10:56 |
| gorille | cool because I don't want buy a Jolla and 3month later a new one is release :) | 10:56 |
| gorille | so cool :) | 10:56 |
| gorille | (but maybe surprise) | 10:56 |
| AL13N_jolla | I'm using the phone right now in bath :-) | 10:56 |
| gorille | I don't know what I should do.. | 10:57 |
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| AL13N_jolla | it's a good phone, lasts several days | 10:57 |
| AL13N_jolla | real linux | 10:57 |
| gorille | mmh it is less better than my Nexus4 :D | 10:58 |
| AL13N_jolla | i can do ssh and terminal has all the important keys, like pipe and esc and tab... | 10:58 |
| gorille | AL13N_jolla: FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Touch are real linux too :D | 10:58 |
| AL13N_jolla | but not on phone, unless yoy put it thete | 10:58 |
| gorille | AL13N_jolla: we can also do that with AOSP xD | 10:58 |
| tbr | FirefoxOS is rather special in this context | 10:58 |
| tbr | as it uses exclusively bionic as the libc and then puts a browser on top of the android foundation | 10:59 |
| RaYmAn_ | "real linux" is a bit of a loaded term | 10:59 |
| RaYmAn_ | does using GLIBC make it real? | 10:59 |
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| tbr | indeed | 10:59 |
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| AL13N_jolla | no, the kernel... | 10:59 |
| tbr | all of them have a linux kernel | 10:59 |
| RaYmAn | then all android devices are just as real linux :P | 10:59 |
| Mikaela | no idea on Firefox OS, but Ubuntu phone is said to be same Ubuntu as you use with desktop | 10:59 |
| gorille | AL13N_jolla: so AOSP is a real linux :P | 11:00 |
| tbr | ALL, including each and every android phone out there | 11:00 |
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| tbr | ubuntu touch is very similar in architecture to sailfish, both use libhybris | 11:00 |
| AL13N_jolla | isn't it just a linux fork, really? i can't seem to bring myself to call the android kernel linux | 11:01 |
| tbr | ubuntu uses Mir, sailfish uses Wayland, that's the main difference. Oh and deb instead of RPM (time to put on the asbestos suit) | 11:01 |
| RaYmAn | there isn't any android kernel as such | 11:01 |
| tbr | AL13N_jolla: no it's not a fork, it is a linux kernel with a set of patches | 11:01 |
| gorille | +1 tbr | 11:01 |
| tbr | AL13N_jolla: what you mean is how OEM/ODM's butcher up the linux kernel for their android devices. But that's absolutely the same for embedded linux devices, often with the same butchered frankenkernel. | 11:02 |
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| AL13N_jolla | true | 11:02 |
| AL13N_jolla | i hope, the tablet is less butchered :) | 11:03 |
| tbr | the diff between vanilla linux and what AOSP needs is actually decreasing as a few things were merged | 11:03 |
| tbr | I'm rather sure, that it will be a frankenkernel. | 11:03 |
| tbr | but at least it might be easy enough for users / the community to try and change that | 11:04 |
| AL13N_jolla | i guess it always comes down to drivers | 11:04 |
| AL13N_jolla | the thing i dislike about Google's opensource is that they often have their own agenda and fail to actually usr providef community patches. | 11:05 |
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| tbr | now you're talking about their user-space though | 11:06 |
| gorille | so Sailfish 2.0 will be available on Jolla (Phone)? | 11:07 |
| AL13N_jolla | true, but if there's bad practice, it might end up kernel side too | 11:07 |
| AL13N_jolla | gorille: i would hope so | 11:07 |
| tbr | gorille: it was said that it is ONE code line and will be available for both | 11:08 |
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| tbr | it might not be a same-day release, but it is expected to be close (for values of such, might still be 1-2 months) | 11:08 |
| AL13N_jolla | at least, that's what i understood at the fosdem meetings | 11:08 |
| gorille | ok | 11:08 |
| AL13N_jolla | tbr: any progress at mer side yet? | 11:09 |
| tbr | AL13N_jolla: on what? | 11:09 |
| AL13N_jolla | wasn't stskeeps gonna finish the simplification? | 11:10 |
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| AL13N_jolla | or did i understood that wrongly? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | working atm with faenil to sort out the permissions structure while i do the application part to gitlab/obs | 11:11 |
| tbr | I guess you mean the mer/nemo merge. | 11:11 |
| AL13N_jolla | Stskeeps: awesome! keep up the good work | 11:11 |
| AL13N_jolla | tbr: yes, sorry | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | tld;r: who has what rights where (this isn't trivial to gather) and then effecting that into obs/gitlab | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | through scripting | 11:11 |
| AL13N_jolla | well, I'm sure it'll take a while for script to be 100% reafy | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | probably will go through a review round so nobody feels left out, yeah | 11:12 |
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| AL13N_jolla | cool | 11:13 |
| AL13N_jolla | if you don't mind I'll keep poking once in a while. .. | 11:13 |
| attah | I'm feeling stupid.. is there no c++ compiler on the phone? (available in the repos) | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | if you're to do anything, mic a chroot with the right bits | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | the moment you have to build gles stuff you're going to be in massive paiin | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:14 |
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| attah | okay, PEBKAC.. it was named gcc-c++ | 11:17 |
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| * attah will now attempt to get diag mode on the modem in my jolla | 12:56 | |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it like, in /dev? | 12:56 |
| tbr | do you have a copy of QXDM ready to decode the output? :) | 12:56 |
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| attah | yes /dev/diag | 12:58 |
| attah | no.. i'm using the setup commands from snoopsnitch | 12:59 |
| attah | and in theory that should give me raw protocol data among other things | 12:59 |
| attah | although.. i've been known to fuck up before :) | 13:00 |
| tbr | ah, so someone did some more reverse engineering on the QC debug protocol? | 13:00 |
| attah | i think they either were let in or just sniffed it | 13:00 |
| attah | (as opposed to a more complete reverse engineering) | 13:03 |
| attah | well, that did a whole lot of nothing.. "bad message" | 13:04 |
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| cityoflights2 | hi all, I still seek an answer to this: How to upgrade a brand new jolla phone using a linux laptop? | 13:30 |
| Yaniel | boot it up, create jolla account or log in with your existing one | 13:30 |
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| Nicd- | there's nothing you can do from the laptop really | 13:30 |
| Yaniel | connect to wlan or network, goto settings -> system -> about and pull down the pulley | 13:31 |
| cityoflights2 | I don't want to download the upgrade from the phone | 13:31 |
| Yaniel | that's the only way so far | 13:31 |
| Yaniel | why not? | 13:31 |
| cityoflights2 | I will be abroad and have a small internet account | 13:31 |
| Yaniel | find someplace with wifi | 13:31 |
| Teemu | you can download it over the internet using not 3g/4g but wlan | 13:31 |
| cityoflights2 | can I download it now, to my laptop | 13:32 |
| cityoflights2 | ? | 13:32 |
| Yaniel | no | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | no | 13:32 |
| cityoflights2 | not good | 13:32 |
| Yaniel | what is the problem with connecting the phone to wlan and downloading directly there? | 13:32 |
| cityoflights2 | wifi traffic limit | 13:33 |
| Yaniel | you can literally do it at the nearest starbucks these days | 13:33 |
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| Yaniel | (not that I'd recommend that) | 13:34 |
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| attah | cityoflights2: what do you mean wifi traffic limit? | 13:39 |
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| TemeV | Yaniel: I have litterally done that :) | 13:44 |
| TemeV | I went to starbuck for a cup of overpriced coffee to get my update when I was travelling :) | 13:45 |
| raa700 | =) | 13:45 |
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| flux | oh so description fields are not reactive. nice. is there a way to make them so? | 18:05 |
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| Nicd- | flux: what do you mean? | 18:12 |
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| flux | I wrote: description: status and even if the status is updated, description is not | 18:16 |
| flux | or could there be some other reason? | 18:17 |
| flux | maybe that particular instance of 'status' did not change, as I just assigned a value over it. | 18:17 |
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| Nicd- | flux: are you referring to qml? I'm lost without context | 18:43 |
| M4rtinK | flux: careful with status | 18:45 |
| M4rtinK | flux: there is a built-in status property | 18:45 |
| M4rtinK | flux: so you you want to have your own "status" property, use a different name for it :) | 18:46 |
| flux | m4rtink, that could be a factor, thanks :) | 18:53 |
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| M4rtinK | had the same issue some time ago | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | a serious WTF is going on moment :) | 18:55 |
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| klopsi-u3 | guten abend ellvis | 21:49 |
| ellvis | hola | 21:49 |
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| RavenholmDX | Just upgraded to 64GB | 21:50 |
| RavenholmDX | sure why not | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | since it is intel, maybe we could even get native deivers someday... | 21:51 |
| Yaniel | drivers* | 21:51 |
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| klopsi-u3 | by the way I got sailfish shell up and running on Motorola Droid 4 in January | 21:52 |
| Yaniel | cool | 21:52 |
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| klopsi-u3 | But almost everything else doesnt work yet | 21:53 |
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| klopsi-u3 | Is anyone working on a native sailfish app for offline OSM map navigation? | 21:55 |
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| ellvis | anyone get working jabber account with jolla? | 22:02 |
| tadzik | yes | 22:02 |
| tadzik | (xmpp) | 22:02 |
| fennekki | yeah | 22:02 |
| fennekki | you just can't add contacts manually in any sensible way | 22:02 |
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| ellvis | I am having problems to connect to the server. I read about the certificates problem and tried to copy one manualy, but it still don't connect | 22:03 |
| ellvis | I am not sure where is the problem (no logs...) | 22:03 |
| ellvis | are there some tips what to take care about? | 22:04 |
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| ellvis | or is it just for new xmpp accounts? | 22:17 |
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