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| pdanek | Would you say, that running KDE on OpenSUSE is more advantegous than running Gnome on it? | 00:34 |
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| pdanek | Like it gets more testing and more attention? | 00:34 |
| pdanek | Because it was probably the case in the past. | 00:35 |
| pdanek | Today things can be different. | 00:35 |
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| coderus | kde is always better and geeker | 01:15 |
| ahjolinna | kde FTW | 01:17 |
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| Lieke | xfce ftw | 01:21 |
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| ahjolinna | KDE plasma 5.2 looks great : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z2u1pM8PeY | 01:28 |
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| tiwake | kde master race http://fav.me/d770v40 | 04:34 |
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| ddavid123 | Can hardly wait for my Jolla tablet!!! | 05:19 |
| tiwake | I can wait | 05:22 |
| tiwake | though, it would be fun to try and develop for | 05:23 |
| tiwake | its been a long time since I've been interested in a platform to try and do something interesting with it | 05:23 |
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| tiwake | maybe do some interesting things with Objective-C again | 05:27 |
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| ddavid123 | I decided to go with the 64Gb version. | 05:48 |
| ddavid123 | it will be nice to have a tablet not made by Apple or Google or Microsoft | 05:54 |
| tiwake | ja | 06:00 |
| tiwake | though an M.2 SSD interface would have been nice... I don't trust cheap SDHC memory | 06:01 |
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| pdanek | Unnamed person said as answer why he uses OpenSUSE: When I started, there was RedHat, Suse and Slackware available, SUSE was just in between RedHat and Slackware and quite stable. | 13:32 |
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| pdanek | What could he mean by: just in between RH and Slack? Up-to-date packages? User-friendliness? | 13:33 |
| pdanek | He speaks about old times. :) | 13:33 |
| Teemu | there were others too | 13:34 |
| pdanek | I know that. | 13:34 |
| Teemu | when red hat started they were viewed as oldfashioned as their packaging system could not by any means automatically install prerequisite packages, even if they were prefetched | 13:34 |
| Teemu | so he is just making up some bullshit about how his favourite was the original and the best or something | 13:35 |
| pdanek | And Slack was bleeding edge in technologies? | 13:35 |
| pdanek | :D | 13:35 |
| pdanek | right! | 13:35 |
| Teemu | at the time, freebsd ports could fetch and install from binary or source packages recursively but naturally that does not count as there was no fat robe-wearing figurehead shouting about how he owns the word freedom | 13:37 |
| Teemu | also, debian linux was founded when red hat the company was just salesmen of software and soon they wanted to create their own linux distribution | 13:40 |
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| ikarus | A few years ago encountering a Redhat or Mandrake server of unknown pedigree was a reason to run because it was sure to have a mish mash of packages from various sources | 13:42 |
| Teemu | indeed | 13:42 |
| Teemu | being able to instal any package from anywhere is not exactly a bonus good non plus ultra feature | 13:43 |
| ikarus | mhm, it's why I am not a big fan of OpenRepos, oh, sure, we have repos and you can be sure that atleast a dozen of them offer the same library at various stages of being updated | 13:44 |
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| Teemu | i've always liked freebsd for the very reason that when a feature xyz finally arrives into -stable, it is not bleeding edge and can fully be expected to work | 13:45 |
| ikarus | Teemu: kind of why I still stick with Debian (don't have the option not to use a Linux kernel) | 13:46 |
| Teemu | during my time i'm not sure exactly what i've been missing except that the freebsd automounter until 10.1 was naturally horrible for desktop use | 13:46 |
| ikarus | if I need a system stable, it's running stable and no chance in hell that it will break in the next half a decade | 13:46 |
| Teemu | however, as i'm perfectly able to shorctly script some damn shell scripts and all the usual, i am able to live with those things | 13:47 |
| Teemu | yes it means i had to manually fire up scripts when mounting and umounting a cd and dvd and usb stick | 13:48 |
| Teemu | now, what else have i been missing? | 13:48 |
| Teemu | :) | 13:48 |
| ikarus | Teemu: I might use Linux, I refuse to use such trash as Pulseaudio, automounters, and really a ton of other stuff like that | 13:48 |
| Teemu | i've never done video editing so anything related to that is not of great interest | 13:48 |
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| ikarus | just gets in my way and hides proper errors | 13:49 |
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| Teemu | i like automounters when done properly | 13:49 |
| ikarus | I don't because it is impossible to do so | 13:49 |
| ikarus | You'd need a USB port that clamps down on the stick to do it properly | 13:49 |
| Teemu | hand-umounting doesn't prevent you from physically disconnecting before umounting | 13:50 |
| ikarus | sure, but the mount part never is my biggest worry | 13:50 |
| Teemu | indeed | 13:52 |
| Teemu | which is why i tolerate nicely configured automounters and did not really miss the early 2000s linux distro attempts | 13:53 |
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| Obi-Lan | I dont understand why should I mount manually every dvd or usb I put into computer :) | 14:27 |
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| Obi-Lan | ah sauna -> | 14:30 |
| Teemu | sauna <3 | 14:30 |
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| Mikaela | headache </3 | 14:44 |
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| Shinryuu | sauna <3 | 16:25 |
| attah | Why the *bleep* is this closed? https://together.jolla.com/question/73908/make-snoop-snitch-working-on-jolla/ | 16:27 |
| attah | That should be part of the OS imo | 16:28 |
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| * Stskeeps looks | 16:37 | |
| Stskeeps | well, as a start, if it involves DIAG or QTST or wtf it's called, it's not open source material. | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:38 |
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| Nicd- | attah: then you should have written it as "integrate X into Sailfish OS" | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a little unclear on the why off topic.. | 16:38 |
| attah | Didn't you say you liked challenes? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | i like challenges that doesn't involve qualcomm ndas | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:39 |
| attah | Nicd-: I didn't write it.. and it's vague enough to receive that as a suggestin and get slightly edited.. | 16:40 |
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| * attah makes chicken sounds | 16:41 | |
| attah | ;) | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | if it's open source and the kernel interfaces are available, somebody can do it | 16:42 |
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| attah | I'll try to see if i can find out what's actually needed | 16:44 |
| attah | but git doesn't agree with me at the moment | 16:45 |
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| coderus | Application for controlling incoming SSH connections using pam: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation | 18:03 |
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| Sail0r | cool | 18:25 |
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| coderus | works? | 18:45 |
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| Mikaela | is there anything like redshift or f.lux for sailfish? | 19:06 |
| Mikaela | hmm or would redshift work directly if I just compiled it | 19:07 |
| Shinryuu | Mikaela: https://github.com/jonls/redshift/issues/55 | 19:14 |
| Mikaela | Thanks :) | 19:14 |
| Shinryuu | at least it seems people have tried it out | 19:14 |
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| giucam | it needs lipstick support | 19:24 |
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| attah | gaah.. if only snoopsnicth wasn't java | 19:31 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: regarding qc nda:s.. i'm becoming increasingly unsure what you meant. To reuse snoopsnich you likely wouldn't have to sign anything at all | 19:54 |
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| attah | I'm an idiot | 20:12 |
| attah | Snoopsnitch can only peek into GSM.. the rest of the info is from APIs where there exist similar ones already in sailfish | 20:13 |
| attah | so while it's cool... it's a lot less useful for newer technologies | 20:14 |
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| tschak | Is there any MTP support for Mac that doesn’t require tons of hacking? | 20:25 |
| * tschak is pissed beyond belief. | 20:26 | |
| attah | i didn't find any.. but then again I'm on 10.6 | 20:26 |
| tschak | of course not | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | there is sshfs | 20:26 |
| tschak | am this close to throwing this phone through a brick wall | 20:26 |
| tschak | Yaniel: seriously? while I do know what that is, that’s a shitty option for normal people. | 20:27 |
| attah | have you tried https://www.android.com/filetransfer/ ? | 20:27 |
| tschak | I’m…gonna walk away for a bit, I’ve spent the last hour just trying to transfer data. | 20:27 |
| tschak | attah: yes, it doesn’t detect the phone as an “android” device | 20:27 |
| attah | ah.. same as when i tried a year ago then | 20:28 |
| tschak | i’ve been very pissed regarding this phone…whether it’s the complete lack of north american support, which i excused, or the constant regression regarding bluetooth support (it no longer pairs with my CAR or my MAC with the latest firmware updates) | 20:28 |
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| tschak | or the fact that I can’t cleanly transfer large files, without pulling the phone apart and finding my micro SD adaptor | 20:29 |
| Teemu | MTP | 20:29 |
| Teemu | ? | 20:29 |
| tschak | you haven’t been following the discussion | 20:29 |
| attah | Teemu: stop trolling :) | 20:29 |
| Teemu | attah i have no idea, just asking | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | I've found the easiest way for myself on a mac is a script that runs rsync | 20:30 |
| ahjolinna | well stop using mac, it's horrible anyway | 20:30 |
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| tschak | Nicd-: see, it’s idiotic that you even have to resort to that. | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | ahjolinna: stop trolling | 20:30 |
| ahjolinna | :D | 20:30 |
| tschak | for all the posturing that Jolla loves to do about listening to its users | 20:31 |
| tschak | I have yet to see a concrete instance where this has actually been the case. | 20:31 |
| attah | imo Mac has the perfect combination of M$ office and a proper terminal | 20:31 |
| Teemu | a proper terminal with properly full-screen mode too | 20:31 |
| Teemu | <3 | 20:32 |
| attah | tschak: now that's unfair... they still can't work miracles | 20:32 |
| Teemu | osx has its bad sides but recently its fullscreen did become very good indeed | 20:32 |
| Teemu | also the virtual desktop thingy is nowadays nice | 20:32 |
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| Nicd- | let's not start another OS war | 20:33 |
| tschak | did not mean to | 20:33 |
| Teemu | i use all apps on either screen-sized window or in the properly-fullscreen so previously osx has been kind of bad for me | 20:33 |
| tschak | I use linux, as well | 20:33 |
| tschak | but my mac is my primary “get shit done” computer. | 20:33 |
| Teemu | indeed | 20:34 |
| Teemu | nothing to much about configuring window manager options | 20:34 |
| tschak | anyway, sorry…. i’m just frustrated, I’ll leave. | 20:34 |
| ahjolinna | I think this more of mac problems then Sailfish, I dont think there is any MTP like software for MAC...so u can't blame Jolla for this | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | tschak: there was an app that runs a server on the phone, maybe that would help | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | can't find it now though | 20:34 |
| Teemu | now, what's mtp? | 20:34 |
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| tschak | ahjolinna: Jolla chose a standard that Android uses…great.. but they didn’t make the phone at least PRETEND it was an android phone, over the wire. | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | afaik MTP is a mess anyway | 20:35 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol | 20:35 |
| attah | mtp = microsoft turd protocol | 20:35 |
| Teemu | ohhhh its some xyz over usb kaboomshit | 20:35 |
| * tschak gets back to editing this video | 20:35 | |
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| ahjolinna | MTP does it job, but its horrible | 20:36 |
| Teemu | i'd stay very far away from anything that doesn't come from the internet | 20:36 |
| Teemu | usb is a big pile of messy unmentionable thing | 20:36 |
| Teemu | anything over usb is not going to be any better | 20:36 |
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| Obi-Lan | aand theres still not working solution for jolla-mac | 20:40 |
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| ikarus | tschak: MTP is just a standard, not an Android specific one (although Google did implement a few extensions, but those aren't absolutely necessary), Windows phones use it aswell for example, so if something expects Android on the otherside, it is the thing that is broken, not the phone | 20:41 |
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| attah | you guys jinxed my mac.. it just crashed :P | 20:52 |
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| Teemu | Obi-Lan: ssh and then x over ip protocols over the ssh pipe? | 21:12 |
| ddavid123 | Does anyone know of any of the new features of Sailfish OS 2.0? | 21:12 |
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| Nicd- | I made a GPS speedometer for Sailfish: https://blog.nytsoi.net/#!/2015/02/07/pitot-beta | 22:18 |
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| Nicd- | you can download the RPM to test :) | 22:18 |
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