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Nickleuhey guys i wanna find out if it's possible to implement a system wide equalizer on jolla10:58
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Nickleujust like the qpaeq10:58
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NickleuI'm completely confused when i look at the qpaeq.py script10:59
specialNickleu: sailfish uses pulseaudio11:00
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specialstandard solutions related to pulseaudio should apply11:00
special(I don't know what those would be, offhand)11:00
Nickleupulseaudio has implemented a module11:01
Nickleubut i just can't understand how it works11:01
Nickleuthere should be a dbus interface to invoke that module, though11:03
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phlixihi11:17
phlixii am at work, and while usually the wlan works just as expected, currently (since yesterday) there is some strange behaviour11:17
phlixiat the moment the field strengh indicator just switches back and forh, wlan, simdata, wlan simdata, wlan simdata... etc... every (dont know, exactly) half second11:18
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SK_workphlixi: ha11:21
SK_workknown bug11:21
phlixiok11:22
phlixiseems to me as if am actually connected to the wlan (eg i could connect via sftp to the device), but something does not work, e.g i can not surf for example to m.vgn.de11:23
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phlixianything i can do? (to get rid of this behaviour/provide data to narrow down the bug/etc?)11:24
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phlixii have no idea why, but it stopped, not WLAN is working as ecpected...11:45
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phlixitype, "NOW wlan works as expected11:46
phlixiomg, typO!! :-)))11:47
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louisdkI've a friend who is currently using an N900 which it's showing it's age. And now he wants a Jolla. I just don't know if he'll like it. He find the swipe features a bit confusing and it's kinda old school when it comes to computers. He's not a fan of touch.14:02
SK_worklouisdk: better give him another N90014:03
SK_workor the neo90014:03
kimmolitime to learn swiping?14:04
pdanekOr get him TOHKBD for Jolla.14:06
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fluxas ever great tohkbd is going to be, I doubt it's going come out ready and as nice as n900 was, software-wise :/14:11
Sail0rhttp://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-jolla/jolla-angry-birds-stella-limited-edition.html14:12
flux..but maybe jolla could become almost completely keyboard-navigatable!14:12
fluxalt-tab for switching tasks, etc ;-)14:12
louisdkkimmoli, pdanek, He's ready to learn and yes he wants a TOHKBD too :)14:12
fluxand ctrl-alt-delete for locking it, easy as it can be!14:13
fluxor rebooting, whichever comes more naturally ;-)14:13
louisdkAlt + F4 closing an app :p14:13
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TMavicathat angry bird toh, taobao already have long time..14:18
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Sail0rbut it looks you need to buy a jolla to get the toh14:20
Sail0rbecause it's not on the TOH site14:20
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TMavicathe seller last year said can buy it individually14:21
TMavicathey sell in last year, I havent buy because I afraid is fake.14:21
Sail0rI don't think they ever sold an TOH with angry birds so far14:23
SK_workStskeeps: let's continue the ubuntu talk here :)14:24
SK_workseen this ? https://twitter.com/rpadovani93/status/56369946149152358414:24
StskeepsSK_work: yes, and good choice14:25
Teemuwhat's the thing prepending @names with a dot?14:25
Teemui've seen it only recently14:25
SK_workTeemu: no, it is not prepending "@", it is so that the tweet is public14:25
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SK_workstarting with @someone makes the tweet visible if you are following the guy who tweeted and the one mentionned14:26
SK_workif you prepend with anything it will be visible like a normal tweet14:26
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SK_workStskeeps: I do wonder what kind of client they are using14:26
SK_workexcept if telegram already developed their own client14:26
StskeepsSK_work: https://plus.google.com/+GiulioCollura/posts/Dzmd4LSdhCE14:27
Teemui thought all tweets are public14:27
SK_workTeemu: nope14:27
SK_work@someone are "replies"14:27
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SK_workStskeeps: I guess it is with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-telegram-app14:28
Teemuoh14:28
Teemuare they not visible to others then?14:29
Teemui've definitely seen some14:29
SK_workLet's take an example14:29
SK_workTeemu, you follows @JollaHQ, @SfietKonstantin, but not @Stskeeps14:29
SK_workif @SfietKonstantin tweets "Hello world", you will see it14:30
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SK_workif @SfietKonstantin tweets "@JollaHQ, thanks for you awesome phone", you will see it14:30
SK_workif@SfietKonstantin tweets "@Stskeeps, thanks for creating MerProject.org" you will not see it14:30
SK_workif @SfietKonstantin tweets "Mer project is awesome, cc @stskeeps", you will see it14:30
Teemuah okay14:32
SK_workthat's why there is the "."14:32
Teemuso to keep it public, it is necessary to not start a tweet with @something14:32
SK_workwell, not public14:33
SK_workto make it appear in the Timeline14:33
SK_workyou can  see all the @SfietKonstantin's tweets, if you go to the profile14:33
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Teemuokay so i was right but the semantics of @starting make things not appear unless one goes specifically to look14:35
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SK_workTeemu: sorry about the "not seeing it"14:39
SK_workhad trouble expressing myself14:39
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Teemuwe're all just prisoners here of our own device14:39
Stskeeps"Bq phone goes on sale in Europe next week, but to "qualify" to buy you have to play a game..." "...a game that "educates' buyers about what the phone can - and can't - do. #UbuntuPhone"14:40
* Stskeeps drops jaw14:40
SK_workStskeeps: "let's play a game"14:40
leinir...oh ...kay? guess that's one way to differentiate your marketing?14:40
leinironeplus already did the whole limited ticket rollout thing, jolla did word of mouth and stuff, i guess Ubuntu can do SAW if they want? ;)14:41
StskeepsSK_work: now you're making me imagine mark shuttleworth as jigsaw14:41
SK_work:D14:41
SK_workleinir: :D14:41
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Teemuwell, lucky me i dislike saw movies and have never liked how most linux distros work14:43
locusfalso the price is quite nice14:43
locusffor ubuntu phone that is14:43
Teemudebian seems to be a long time least crappy linux for me14:43
Teemuthen the bsdish linux (i forgot its name already) had a nice start with good values but it turned out to be just guys who want to compile everything -O 100500-and-more because they're too dumb to do profiling14:44
SK_workwhat's the price tag ?14:45
locusfafaik 16914:45
SK_workTeemu: simply bsd ? :D14:45
Teemui guess i am an old curmudgeon14:45
TeemuSK_work: yes indeed, i've used bsd since mid year 199014:45
Teemuoriginally sunos4 and then 386bsd followed by freebsd14:46
Teemualong the way i've tried several linuxes and mostly got disappointed14:46
Teemuthe debian guys have ideas on how to drive a project with longevity and how it is completely okay if a new version of an operating system works from command line exactly as it did ten years ago14:47
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warfareTeemu: you're talking of gentoo?14:52
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Teemuyes, i just forgot the name14:53
Teemufreebsd just _now_ got a new automounter that's more or less on par with how desktop users in general would like to use removeable media14:54
Teemuso i was for a long time somehow in search of replacement for freebsd on desktop14:55
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Teemui've always appreciated how annoyingly stable and low maintenance it is, so none of there lets-try-linux efforts have lasted very long14:56
Teemui'm not sure if you remember the 2.0-2.4 period in kernels but it was a wild time when you didn't know which 2940 driver would work with etherexpress and matrox and the agp gart after a minor upgrade, as there were several drivers in active development and the working permutation was never the same as before14:57
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warfareOh, I do. *shiver*14:58
Teemui also got somewhat annoyed by the need to write poor quality gpl replacements of perfectly working mit/bsd licenced free software that could be just included in a project14:58
Teemusuch as mysql14:58
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Teemuwhat's a person to do with a rdbms that doesn't handle transactions or per-record locks?14:59
warfaretry ifconfig on freebsd vs. ifconfig/iproute2/tc/iw/iwconfig on Loonix..14:59
Teemuoh the ipchaintablebondage...14:59
Teemuyes14:59
warfareThrow an ethtool in there somewhere.14:59
Teemuin freebsd, there's just ifconfig to to all you need15:00
Teemusomehow it is enough15:00
warfaremaemo.org firewalls run netbsd with pf and carp. Very low maintainance.15:00
Teemuwell not the filtering of course, but then the filters are not interfaces15:00
Teemui switched to theobsd on filters as soon as ipf was released15:01
warfarepf is way easier to read than iptables.15:01
warfareopenbsd doesn't play well with xen.15:01
Teemui had been filtering with ipfw for years but it didn't understand states15:01
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Teemuipf did but there was a war and pf rose from the ashes15:01
Teemusoon after pf on freebsd was kept recent enough not to bother with theobsd15:02
Teemupf <315:02
warfaremh, ipfw on SunOS 2.7.. (yes, I'm old)15:02
Teemuthat's solaris 2.715:02
warfareactually solaris 7 but sunos 5.7.15:02
Teemuyes indeed15:03
warfarethey ditched the 2. after 2.6.<mumble>15:03
Teemuafter both correcting each other you found the truthest truth of numbering15:03
Teemui used sunos 4 and sunos 4.1 on ss1 and ss1 ipc15:03
Teemuour radio club got funding to obtain such coolness as it was released15:04
Teemulast time i actively put my hands on solaris was when i had a ultra 5 as a desktop machine, running solaris 2.515:05
* Aard still has a blade 2500 under his desk15:06
Teemualmost-nice machine, sadly its ide wasn't ata and could not do dma transfers so it was slow as hell if you tried to have any local disk access15:06
Teemuto my knowledge it was the first non-scsi sun workstation15:07
AardTeemu: nobody sane used the ide port in there15:07
Teemuindeed15:07
Teemui booted the thing from that15:08
Teemuthen it just ran15:08
Aardyou didn't even need to do that, the firmware on that thing has full scsi support -> just take the next best sun supported scsi controller15:08
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Teemuas a junior server admin purchasing was none of my business, so i suffered15:09
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warfareTeemu: Ultra5s had an IDE connector.15:10
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Teemuyes they did15:11
Aardwarfare: _connector_, yes, but sun used a buggy version of the cmd649 which only supported PIO15:11
Teemui know, specifically ide, not dma-supporting ata15:11
Teemujust like pc machines five years before that did15:11
Aardwell, the chip itself _did_ support dma, just the revision sun took was broken15:12
Teemumuah15:12
Teemueven worse :D15:12
Teemuso close to almost15:12
Aardand once it's out in the field it becomes a feature, so you can't really go back15:13
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AardI have two ultra10 here, which are the same as u5, just in a tower case15:14
Teemuwith the same buggy ide?15:14
Aardyes15:14
Teemuungh15:14
Aardit's exactly the same board15:14
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AardI have scsi controllers and disks in both of them15:17
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Teemuworks like a charm15:17
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Aardit's a bit funny that solaris came up here today, just two days ago I got an email from somebody thanking me about my qt package (iirc 4.3, quite old), and asking if I have plans to do a qt5.2 package for solaris15:19
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Teemu:)15:20
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Teemuwe've been speculating more private storage setups since the latest freedom went to nsa and when speaking of storage, solaris is pretty high on the list for reliability15:21
calderonHep15:22
Aarduntil 2008 I used to manage solaris based HA clusters (some linux based as well, but linux was -- and still is -- way behind what solaris can do there)15:23
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sledgesif not yet seen:15:23
sledgeshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/jollapioneer/permalink/780347355388064/15:23
sledgeshttps://twitter.com/andrewzhilin/status/56368447514228326415:23
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Teemu<315:25
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locusftop -d 115:27
faenillovely OH15:28
faenilindeed15:29
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Wnthaha, I also have an Ultra 5 in my attic :D I have just a compact flash card in the IDE that is used to load the kernel and the system really runs from a PCI sata adapter :)15:40
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Yanielwhoa, the stock browser actually supports webgl16:23
anandrkrishttp://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html16:27
anandrkrisi will try opening this link when i get to my phone16:28
tbrYaniel: in a rather slowwwww fashion IIRC, but indeed it does16:28
SK_worktried with 4000 fishes ?16:29
SK_workon the desktop it lags16:29
tbryeah, here too16:29
SK_worktbr: which browser ? using firefox here16:30
tbrfirefox with some older intel integrated gpu16:30
SK_work50 fishes give me ~30 fps on the jolla16:30
tbrnice16:30
SK_worktbr: I have super powerful nvidia, but it do not change anything it seems16:30
tbrI remember trying something and it was super slow16:30
anandrkris4000 gives fps of 1516:30
tbrSK_work: check if it uses the nvidia card or does soft rendering16:31
tbrabout:support or such16:31
anandrkrisam running a Mint Box http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/mintbox/16:31
anandrkrisNot an advertisement / promotion for Mint..just FYI :)16:32
SK_work4 FPS with 400016:32
SK_work:D16:32
SK_workon Jolla16:32
anandrkrisit didn't crash!!! :P16:32
tbrjolla has a rather small screen, so that might help it a bit16:32
tbrless pixels to push16:33
anandrkrishmm..this is one of sites that I engage my 3 y.o. nephew with :)16:34
SK_worktbr: still, 4 fps :)16:34
Morpog_PC__wow that ubuntu phone is butt ugly and same or even worse specs as Jolla phone. Only thing better is the quad core, but not sure about per core performance.16:35
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SK_workMorpog_PC__: aren't you getting one for testing ? :P16:35
tbrit is a rectangle, the usual16:35
Morpog_PC__SK_work, I don't think so. Also you cannot really buy it. You need to get it in some flash sales.16:36
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* Morpog_PC__ wait for Jolla Phone 2 :D16:37
anandrkriscrashed! :(16:38
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Morpog_PC__It could be a nice target for sailfishos though, given it also uses libhybris16:40
SK_workMorpog_PC__: wait what ? Flash sales ?16:40
SK_workagain ?16:40
SK_workbig MEH16:40
Morpog_PC__SK_work, yep, will be announced on twitter accounts of cannonical and bq16:40
Morpog_PC__tomorrow16:40
Morpog_PC__wait16:41
Morpog_PC__wrong16:41
Morpog_PC__@Ubuntu and @bqreaders16:41
Morpog_PC__if you want to follow16:41
Morpog_PC__9th February 2015, London and Madrid: The world’s first Ubuntu phone – the Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition – will be available across Europe from BQ.com through a series of Flash Sales over the coming weeks.16:42
Morpog_PC__The date, time and URL for the first Flash Sale will be announced through @Ubuntu and @bqreaders on Twitter as well as Ubuntu G+ and Ubuntu Facebook within the next week.16:42
SK_workI really wonder if I want one16:42
Mikaelawill Jolla Phone 2 either have 5GHz WLAN or FM radio?16:42
Mikaelawill support for 1 just cease immediately after it's released?16:42
Morpog_PC__Mikaela, my guru mediation ball says: IT WILL SUPPORT 5GHZ!16:43
SK_workMikaela: dunno, dunno16:43
Morpog_PC__it also says: THEY WILL STILL SUPPORT IT16:43
SK_workMikaela: no16:43
Morpog_PC__Mikaela, hope you get my joke :D16:43
MikaelaI was surprised to discover that 1 didn't have it16:43
MikaelaI am not sure if I am getting any jokes currently16:44
* tbr shakes his magic 8 ball16:44
* tbr sees the ball vomit on his shoes16:44
* tbr calls it a weekend16:44
Morpog_PC__https://lh6.ggpht.com/WlSaCvXNVN_Pn-kdcUFqvi5bYRAPnuQno2RpHibhyflSR3nRqalPqzqmRe6d65MuJA%3Dw30016:44
calderonJolla phone 2?16:45
Mikaelatoo young for amiga16:45
Morpog_PC__omg you missed all the fun16:45
calderon:-)16:46
tbrmmmm  1.3.2 - those were the days16:46
Teemuold fart channel today16:47
tbr2.04 was nicer16:47
Teemui started with vic-20, continued with c-64 and sadly skipped the amiga16:51
Teemuall i got was a lousy pc16:51
tbrboooo16:51
ryukafalzI used an Apple IIe in elementary school16:51
ShadowJKI sometimes had to switch back to 1.3, because it left marginally more ram free16:51
ryukafalzIt was before my time really but my school didn't feel the need to upgrade I guess :P16:51
tbrdual boot by flipping a physical switch! :D16:51
ShadowJKI had to swap the rom16:51
* tbr had a posh dual rom adaptor with a switch16:51
ShadowJKI had 2 floppy drives though!16:51
tbrand a 2 or 3M RAM extension :D16:51
tbryeah, second floppy was handy for playing lucas arts games16:51
tbrIndy4 came on 11 discs16:51
ShadowJKAlso handy for having WB on one floppy and "projects" on another16:51
Teemumy pops did start a company making magazines for computer hobbyists though16:51
Teemuin mikrobitti and c= i read of amiga and envied16:51
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ryukafalzI read about BeOS sometimes now after the fact and wish it had caught on16:53
ryukafalz(also Plan 9)16:53
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Aardmy main problem with plan9 is that I don't want to give up emacs16:58
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SK_workthe ubuntu phone ui is really strange16:59
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SK_workit is both nice and really bad16:59
SK_workI don't know why17:00
SK_work(why I have this feeling)17:00
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Morpog_PC__it reminds me sometimes of harmattan17:01
Morpog_PC__those are the good moments17:01
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Teemuaard why would you need to do that?17:02
SK_workMorpog_PC__: a bit yeah17:02
SK_workthere are a lot of animations, lollipop like17:03
SK_workbut really wondering if this is needed17:03
SK_worksome gestures are confusing17:03
Teemubesides that it's nicer to use an editor that just loads instead of having to boot the editor for minutes17:03
SK_workothers are okish17:03
Morpog_PC__hides loading times usually17:03
AardTeemu: http://osdir.com/ml/plan9.general/2002-06/msg00116.html17:04
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ryukafalzAard: Emacs is probably bigger than all of Plan 9 on its own :P17:06
ryukafalzI do rather like Acme honestly, though the lack of syntax highlighting is a bit irritating sometimes17:07
Aardaddressbook, email, ... is all in emacs as well for me17:07
Aardnot just editing17:08
ryukafalzYeah, that's very much antithetical to... plan 9 as a whole :P17:08
TeemuAard: that really didn't answer anything :) that's just "we don't wish to tell you we were not able to make it work"17:08
Teemuor something17:08
ryukafalzThe "right" way to do it in Plan 9 would be to have mail as a filesystem and a mail client would just be a browser for that17:09
Teemuespecially the part why traditional vi isn't suitable for plan9 is not answered at all17:10
ryukafalzSK_work: Both Sailfish and Ubuntu Touch remind me of Harmattan to some degree, but Sailfish is considerably more polished :P17:10
Teemueven though some might start saying that emacs is an operating system that happens to run under multiple low quality hypervisors usually called operating systems17:11
ryukafalzTeemu: I'm actually not sure if plan 9 has a terminal that can run interactive applications like vi17:12
ryukafalz9term behaves largely like a text file17:12
ryukafalzAnything that requires interactivity tends to work better as part of Acme17:13
SK_workryukafalz: I would rather say: ubuntouch is non-consistent :(17:13
ryukafalzHow so?17:13
Teemuryukafalz: sounds... interesting17:14
ryukafalzSide note: it was rather amusing when my coworker was trying out a recent build of Ubuntu Touch on his Nexus 7. The word "Phone" is hardcoded everywhere.17:14
Teemudoes it support multiple concurrent editors agains the same text tile?17:14
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ryukafalzTeemu: Hmm, not sure, I haven't tried17:15
* ryukafalz checks17:15
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Teemui mean, i'm _so_ happy that now in the last four years or so we have FINALLY started to have some reasonable editing17:16
Teemuonly four decades after the mother of all demos that showed concurrent hypertext editing and realtime multimedia17:17
Teemuand mouse and windowing and...17:17
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ryukafalzTeemu: Within Acme, if I try opening two windows to the same file it just jumps to the existing one. If I modify the file outside Acme, it doesn't pick up on it until you try saving, at which point it gives you timestamps of when the file last changed.17:19
Teemuwhat if you open the same file with acme on several computers?17:19
ryukafalzOn e.g. a networked filesystem?17:20
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ryukafalzI would assume it would behave the same17:20
Teemuit would give you the same window you already opened on another computer?17:21
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ryukafalzOh - no, it would behave the same as if you changed it with a different editor, since they're separate instances of Acme so that's essentially what you're doing17:21
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Teemuso, it's not engelbartian17:23
Teemu:/17:23
Teemusad17:23
ryukafalzre: Douglas Engelbart?17:23
Teemuyes17:24
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Teemugoogle docs was the first engelbartian editor i personally used and among the first that went widely public17:24
ryukafalzEtherpad came first :)17:24
ryukafalzwell17:24
ryukafalzbefore Google Docs at least17:25
Teemudidn't it get bought by google?17:25
Teemuetherpad is nice17:25
Teemui'm using them constantly17:25
ryukafalzYeah - I think that's why Google Docs added collaborative editing actually17:25
Teemui heard of etherpad during the time i was trying out the then new google docs17:26
Teemunobody hosted it and i had other things to mind17:26
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Teemusuch as founding helsinki hacklab17:26
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ryukafalzGoogle Wave was also pretty interesting17:28
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Teemudidn't really try17:28
ryukafalzBut yeah, I do wish Acme had collaborative editing abilities17:28
Teemualmost tried but the descriptions of what i could achieve with wave were way too cloudy and full of thc17:29
Teemugot the invitation and looked a bit about the somethings and it was just too open ended to hit anything for me17:29
Teemulike somebody ranting about how computers can be programmed to do anything17:29
ryukafalzEven just out of the box, Wave was significantly better than email for collaboration17:29
Teemuwell yes, as a hacker, i know that and such rants are boring as hell17:30
ryukafalzIt was like Google Docs meets Reddit - real-time collaborative editing + threaded conversations17:30
Teemuah okay17:30
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Teemuhowever i'm constantly a fringe case as technology goes17:35
ryukafalzHeh, I feel the same way :P17:35
Teemujolla, freebsd, osx cli usage with a lot of vi, saab, old house (1922)17:36
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ryukafalzIn my case it's largely with network communications - IRC, XMPP, etc.17:41
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Teemuwell yes, irc is good17:42
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Teemui've got no good clients for xmpp17:42
ryukafalzTelepathy is rather good, though missing some features17:42
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ryukafalzI do wish there were a console Telepathy client, but KTp, Empathy, and Sailfish's messaging work well17:43
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Teemunot sure how xmpp deals with the client somehow being online and somehow not17:44
Teemuie. me closing the laptop lid17:44
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ryukafalzOn desktops, both Telepathy clients integrate with system power management and set your status to offline before the laptop sleeps17:45
ryukafalzMessages received when all clients are offline are queued for delivery when you next log in17:45
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SK_workryukafalz: depends on the XMPP server17:46
SK_workif it is google, yes it does this17:46
SK_workif it is some other server, it will depend17:46
ryukafalzIf your client gets forcibly disconnected, messages will be dropped between then and connection timeout unless both client and server support XEP-019817:47
ryukafalzTelepathy support for which is in progress: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4670017:47
merbotFreedesktop bug 46700 in gabble "Implement reliable stanza delivery using XEP-0198 - Stream Management" [Enhancement,New]17:47
ryukafalzSK_work: True, though most servers do support offline message delivery17:47
ryukafalzProsody for example has it loaded and enabled by default17:47
SK_workiirc kdetalk do not17:47
SK_workdon't know what it runs for example17:47
ryukafalzI believe kdetalk is ejabberd17:47
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ryukafalzwhich appears to have offline messaging enabled by default as well - kdetalk admins likely disabled it explicitly17:48
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ryukafalzthough perhaps unwittingly - they didn't notice one of their DNS records was broken until I pointed it out ;)17:49
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ryukafalzapologies to any kde admins in the room :P17:49
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Teemuso what happens to messages if i'm on multiple clients?17:55
ryukafalzDepends on the server, but in general messages get sent to the client with the highest priority value, which is a client-side setting17:56
ryukafalzif multiple clients with the same priority are connected, they will be sent to all of them until you respond from one17:56
ryukafalzthere's an extension that also allows copies to be sent to all clients that support it: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html17:57
Teemuideally i'd want all messages to all clients17:57
* ryukafalz nods17:57
ryukafalzwhich is why carbons is nice17:57
Teemuwhat are nice?17:57
ryukafalzthat extension ^17:57
Teemuoh17:57
ryukafalzthe deal with XMPP is that there are standards for almost everything but rarely implementations for those standards17:58
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ryukafalzserver-side support is generally better - prosody supports everything I've mentioned here17:58
Teemuto me - who does not want to see source code of his irc/xmpp/what clients - the whole xmpp thing looks like horrendously complex system to set up17:58
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Teemui could hardly care less about the server end, google runs one and then arl runs one, i'll never run one17:59
Teemui'm an irc person17:59
ryukafalzwell, when everything is actually implemented, it's a matter of connecting and it'll Just Work™17:59
Teemuyes i've seen the jolla get parts of my google chats17:59
Teemureally nice feature17:59
ryukafalzGoogle Talk is going away at some point, possibly soon18:00
Teemuso much for that, then :)18:00
ryukafalzGoogle really screwed over the XMPP community on that one by the way, I have a long rant about that, heh18:00
Teemualso i'm a bug !fan of xml (or *ml)18:00
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* ryukafalz adds this to his list of potential blog posts18:00
Mikaelahow long is your potential blog post list? mine is counting, but nothing gets done18:01
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ryukafalz4 and counting, heh18:01
ryukafalzI have one post so far, only because it didn't require much thought and was mostly images: http://terracrypt.net/blog/18:02
ryukafalzmy drafts are re: more technical topics and actually require me to sit down and think for a while :P18:02
* ryukafalz also needs to come up with a better blog title18:03
MikaelaI appear to have 5 with tag blog and 2 are written18:03
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ryukafalzwhat blogging software do you use?18:03
Mikaelajekyll18:04
ryukafalzI use Pelican so it's Status: draft and they don't show up in the index18:04
ryukafalzjekyll is nice18:04
Mikaelaon github pages and I use github issue tracker and label blog18:04
ryukafalzah, gotcha18:04
anandrkrisHi - How do I mute a video playing in gallery?18:04
* ryukafalz hasn't tried18:05
ryukafalzanandrkris: offhand I'm not sure if you can, but you can turn the volume all the way down18:05
anandrkrisAlso, Silent sounds don't apply to media playing iirc18:05
anandrkrisbesides using keys, i should have mentioned :)18:06
ryukafalzMikaela: How is github pages? I run my own server, I'm not sure I'd like the lack of control from hosting there18:06
MikaelaI haven't had bigger issues18:07
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ryukafalzfair enough18:08
* ryukafalz goes back to watching Citizenfour18:08
Teemui guess your own server could always pull from upstream github?18:09
ryukafalzTrue, but what would be the point of that? :P18:11
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Teemugetting the issue tracker? dunno18:11
Teemuhaving other people help in editing and all the collaborative jingle18:12
ryukafalzHmm, maybe18:12
* ryukafalz considers setting up a gitlab instance18:12
TeemuMikaela: where are your pages?18:12
gogetajingle ?18:12
Mikaelamikaela.info18:13
Mikaelaor mikaela/mikaela.github.io at github18:13
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louisdkHow many of you have IRL friends you've learned to know outside the Jolla community who owns a Jolla phone? :)18:59
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falfai dont have any friends19:01
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Teemusome of my friends have turned out with a nice orangeblack phone19:02
Teemumy mom in law bought one before i did19:02
louisdkTeemu, nice. I know about 7 who owns a Jolla phone :) All of which I know from FROSS community arrangements :)19:04
Mikaelano friends here either19:05
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Mikaelamaybe if I ever got to that hacklab, but I have no idea what people are like there19:05
TeemufRoss?19:08
TeemuMikaela: like me but nicer19:08
mornfallwould a wife count?19:09
Mikaelahoukuttelevatko ne kaikilla vaatekappaileilla pelkän pipon sijaan?19:09
Mikaelano idea how to say that in English19:09
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Teemu:)19:11
Teemuwe do have a sewing machine in there19:11
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Teemui've also repaired one in hacklab but it has a home elsewhere19:11
Teemureally pretty old singer19:11
Teemuwhich reminds me, i have two sewing machines in the repair shop for me to get19:12
Teemuthings to do on monday19:12
ShadowJKI know 3 "non-geek" people with Jollas19:18
kimmoliyesterday i witnessed a jolla without developermode installed.19:19
Teemuall jolla users i know are serious geeks19:19
Teemumom-in-law has a hobby of converting normals into linux users by installing them linux19:20
ShadowJKYeah none of those 3 I know have developer mode19:20
locusfdoes FOSDEM appearances count?19:20
ShadowJKFor one of them it's their first smartphone actually19:20
ShadowJKHe got it because someone sent him an MMS and he thought he should have a newer phone that can receive mms19:20
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louisdkShadowJK, I've developer mode disabled at regular basis.19:25
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HtheBo/20:30
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r0kk3rzhow does one even use a jolla without devmode?21:05
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ShadowJKOne of my coworkers with jolla is close to allowing me to enable devmode21:08
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ShadowJKSo I could show him how to switch off the lowmemorykiller that keeps closing everything all the time :)21:09
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Obi-Lanwouldn't it be a nice if not all the users would need dev mode ;)21:16
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ShadowJK:)21:20
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HtheB(:21:22
HtheBr0kk3rz: n00bs wont use it21:23
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keithzgThe fact that dev mode exists is one of the primary things that I find compelling about Jolla/SailfishOS, personally.21:28
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ShadowJKYes21:29
ShadowJKThough I would also like to be able to do things I want to do, without having to enable some special hacker mode21:30
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pdanekDebian vs OpenSUSE?23:10
pdanek(desktop)23:11
pdanek:D23:13
Sail0rfedora or manjaro :P23:13
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svuoreladebian.23:16
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Guest15Hi everybody23:23
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pdanekManjaro :O23:24
HtheBUbuntu vs Kubuntu? :P23:24
Sail0r!23:24
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pdanekSail0r: What's better in Fedora than OpenSUSE? :O23:25
OhQultI've got a little problem on my jolla. I've installed Glacier UI, and then deleted, and now, each time i try to reboot, i've got a black screen, and can't do anything. Hope someone would help me, i would be really grateful ! :)23:26
raa700https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20220876323:37
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sledgesarch23:38
OhQultThanks for the link, found something but not as much detailed, i check it right now23:38
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HtheBOhQult: you should have taken a video with the glacier UI23:51
HtheBI am actually interested on the progress23:51
OhQultHtheB actually, i didnt used it a lot, but wasnt in my taste23:56
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