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| coderus | HtheB: ping SK_work not me | 03:34 |
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| coderus | i recently thinked same | 03:34 |
| coderus | instead of showing stupig info by clicking patchmanager can load qml file | 03:34 |
| coderus | stupid* | 03:34 |
| coderus | and i want Nokia CA-75 cable to work in Jolla :) | 03:35 |
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| Mikaela | why does sudo have insults enabled by default? | 06:28 |
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| coderus | Mikaela: did you find sudo in default sailfishos distribution or on jolla/sailfishos repositories? | 06:32 |
| tbr | nobody uses sudo on sailfish by default, so it's probably in some unconfigured state | 06:32 |
| coderus | i think its in sime mer repos only | 06:33 |
| Mikaela | I think it was in zypper, but I am not sure where it came, moment | 06:33 |
| Mikaela | Repository: openrepos-NielDK | 06:33 |
| tbr | I'd suggest to use pkcon, not zypper. It's supposedly safer, as that's the same that is used by sailfish | 06:33 |
| * tbr slowly backs away | 06:34 | |
| tbr | security critical softwar installed from random binaries | 06:34 |
| coderus | and zypper produce huge logs in permanent lcocation :D | 06:34 |
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| Mikaela | Information for package zypper: | 06:35 |
| Mikaela | Repository: jolla | 06:35 |
| coderus | tbr: not random, it built in obs: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:nielnielsen/sudo | 06:35 |
| tbr | Mikaela: yes, zypper is available in sailfish, but not the preferred package management client | 06:35 |
| Mikaela | I see | 06:35 |
| coderus | u11/u12 will probably have zypp upgrade? | 06:36 |
| tbr | coderus: there is no immediate proof | 06:36 |
| coderus | sure, BasilSemounov is too lazy to setup obs bridge | 06:36 |
| tbr | coderus: of course you can go and start comparing SHA-sums, but then you might as well just add an OBS repo directly, isn't it? | 06:36 |
| tbr | also, even if it's built on OBS, it can still be a massive honking security issue | 06:37 |
| tbr | I admire Niel's enthusiasm, but he also makes mistakes. His Tor package at some point contained essentially a root backdoor. | 06:38 |
| tbr | everybody makes mistakes, that's why e.g. distros do peer review | 06:38 |
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| coderus | tbr: general notice is good | 06:40 |
| coderus | but peoples prefer things themselves | 06:40 |
| coderus | and i can tell only about paranoia in mind of some of them :D | 06:41 |
| coderus | i never been paranoid person, so i'm free to install and test anything :) | 06:41 |
| tbr | I'm sorry, but I don't follow you | 06:41 |
| coderus | i'm ok with that | 06:42 |
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| coderus | everybody have own decisions | 06:42 |
| coderus | and i stopped trying to spread my own long time ago :) | 06:42 |
| coderus | just telling it once and silencing after :) | 06:42 |
| * Stskeeps watches the video of the plane crash in taiwan .. dashcams certainly capture a lot of stuff | 06:43 | |
| tbr | coderus: you'll be delighted to hear, that I gave up on sailfish and trying to achieve things. While I will still voice my personal opinion from time to time. I stopped giving a flying f...art. | 06:44 |
| tbr | for all I care open repos can go and become the default store for everyone. to hell with security, privacy and all the rest. | 06:45 |
| coderus | tbr: delighted? i see no reason. | 06:47 |
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| lpotter | hmm | 07:09 |
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| Mikaela | when I connect to https://10.10.12.2/ I am warned about untrusted connection. Where do I see what fingerprint the server is providing? | 07:20 |
| Mikaela | I will just add permanent security exception as this server is in LAN and has nothing important in it, but that would be nice to know with my personal ZNC or something | 07:21 |
| tbr | Mikaela: web browser? | 07:22 |
| Mikaela | the default, I am not sure where I see exact version details | 07:23 |
| Mikaela | I am using the nightly build | 07:23 |
| tbr | last time I checked, it didn't have any certificate management UI | 07:24 |
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| tbr | for a security conscious person it might be more desireable to use the NSS certificate store management tools on the command line | 07:24 |
| coderus | Mikaela: fill bug to tjc | 07:24 |
| Mikaela | :( | 07:24 |
| tbr | coderus: I think there might be one already | 07:25 |
| Mikaela | https://together.jolla.com/question/9689/certificate-details-in-browser/ | 07:26 |
| tbr | IIRC there are NSS plugins that make the system cert store available to NSS | 07:27 |
| tbr | so once Jolla implements system level cert management (they said they are working on it), then this might get a lot easier | 07:27 |
| coderus | tbr: sure, i dont mean to create new one :) | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/02/03/coreclr-is-now-open-source.aspx - interesting | 07:30 |
| tbr | jftr, the NSS toolkit is in "nss-tools" | 07:30 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: interesting, looks like they will be trying to keep a public commit flow. (wonder if they still keep a private tree) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: a microsoft that can factually execute scares me | 07:38 |
| tbr | not only you | 07:38 |
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| tbr | any large corporation that does is scary | 07:38 |
| tbr | too bad nokia didn't :) | 07:39 |
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| pp | they executed "make microsoft pay $10B and ditch symbian" beautifully, shame they ditched maemo/meego as well :-) | 07:45 |
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| Kiranos | hm I took factory reset on my jolla and it reverted to OS 1.0.0.5 (LOL! :P) but now I cant seem to find any new updates | 10:37 |
| Kiranos | it says: updated | 10:37 |
| Kiranos | OS is: 1.0.0.5 (Kaajanlampi) | 10:38 |
| faenil | Kiranos, make sure the Jolla account is registered and working | 10:38 |
| faenil | (that is, add a Jolla account if you haven't yet) | 10:38 |
| Kiranos | oh I need an account for uppdating | 10:38 |
| faenil | 1.0.0.5 is a bit bitchy about updates :/ | 10:38 |
| faenil | yes | 10:38 |
| Kiranos | ok I'll log in | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | also don't do anything else before upgrading | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | don't install software for example | 10:39 |
| Kiranos | is it the one for jolla.com or togehter.jolla? | 10:40 |
| Nicd- | jolla.com | 10:41 |
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| Nicd- | I log in to TJC with my jolla.com actually | 10:41 |
| Kiranos | hm ok | 10:41 |
| Kiranos | I took forgot password now | 10:41 |
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| Kiranos | argh | 10:43 |
| Kiranos | https://shop.jolla.com not that | 10:44 |
| Kiranos | https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ | 10:44 |
| Kiranos | must be that than | 10:44 |
| Nicd- | the latter one | 10:46 |
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| Kiranos | faenil: Nicd-: thanks works now, found the update | 10:52 |
| faenil | Kiranos, great | 10:52 |
| Kiranos | 1.0.0.5 was a very buggy os :P | 10:53 |
| faenil | heeh | 10:53 |
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| Tomo2 | i guess we can bury any hopes if seeing younited on Jolla http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/02/04/702885/0/en/F-Secure-Corporation-to-sell-its-Personal-Cloud-Business-Operations-to-Synchronoss-to-strengthen-its-focus-on-Security.html | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | well, that was a short lived affair | 11:03 |
| cityoflights2 | hi, I am new to the jolla I will get in a week, what gps software is in it? | 11:04 |
| tbr | please all act surprised, right... NOW! | 11:04 |
| Sail0r | Nicd-, as every affair so far | 11:04 |
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| Tomo2 | tbr: *le gasp* | 11:04 |
| Aard | wow. if they focus on it, maybe they'll eventually be able to actually do something related to security? | 11:04 |
| cityoflights2 | I mean that I am flying to Spain for a vacation, and I will really on the phone to get around Madrid | 11:05 |
| tadzik | tbr: I'm shocked :o | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | cityoflights2: there's a map/navigation app made by jolla, but you can download others too (I have the HERE android maps beta installed for example) | 11:05 |
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| cityoflights2 | Nokia N9 had an excellent map | 11:05 |
| tbr | tadzik, Tomo2 - thanks! here's your thank you cookie. | 11:05 |
| cityoflights2 | can you run wazes on jolla? | 11:06 |
| tbr | for offline maps the HERE android app is probably a sensible choice | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | the HERE android app is no longer available as an apk though | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | unless you get it from a 3rd party apk downloader | 11:07 |
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| cityoflights2 | as I own a nokia, can I "take" the maps app and install it in my jolla? | 11:10 |
| cityoflights2 | I am guessing the maps app is a deb file, right? | 11:11 |
| ln- | "no" to both | 11:11 |
| tbr | jolla doesn't use deb, and in addition even the binaries inside would not be compatible | 11:12 |
| cityoflights2 | is there and "emulator"? | 11:12 |
| cityoflights2 | am I the first to ask this? | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | yes, in the SDK | 11:13 |
| cityoflights2 | I meant and emulator to allow me to run my N9 programs on the jolla | 11:13 |
| Yaniel | no | 11:13 |
| tbr | no | 11:13 |
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| cityoflights2 | ok, more questions from a new user, after I unbox it, I will need to upgrade - right? how much data is the upgrade? | 11:14 |
| cityoflights2 | is it a single upgrade? | 11:14 |
| Nicd- | yes, you'll need to upgrade | 11:14 |
| cityoflights2 | 10min? | 11:15 |
| cityoflights2 | assuming wifi, in a hotel | 11:15 |
| cityoflights2 | or is it a new squashfs with new kernel and so on | 11:15 |
| the_mgt | it might be as heavy as 2gb, iirc | 11:15 |
| the_mgt | I mean, I always instantly updated, but one was a rather large update | 11:16 |
| cityoflights2 | can I put this on a SD card a head of time and run it faster? | 11:16 |
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| the_mgt | you mean loading it via your computer and then put it on the phone? I dunno, I always did OTA updates | 11:18 |
| Yaniel | I've never seen upgrades larger than 300MB | 11:19 |
| Yaniel | you can download it on the phone and install later when you feel like it | 11:19 |
| cityoflights2 | I hope the hotel doesn't limit the wifi usage to 1Gb | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | well, for the first update I don't recommend waiting | 11:20 |
| cityoflights2 | as in this case, I am in trouble | 11:20 |
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| cityoflights2 | where to get HERE 3rd party apk? | 11:23 |
| cityoflights2 | so I will download it now | 11:23 |
| tadzik | google play has it | 11:23 |
| tadzik | it requires some tinkering to get that one to work though | 11:23 |
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| tadzik | (not too much) | 11:24 |
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| Nicd- | it's so annoying the companies don't provide straight apk downloads | 11:26 |
| tadzik | well, then they're stuck with users who don't get updates | 11:27 |
| tadzik | and say "this sucks" | 11:27 |
| tadzik | the good counterargument is "would you rather have them download your app from 3rd party sites?" | 11:27 |
| tadzik | (that worked for Opera :)) | 11:27 |
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| pavi | cityoflights2, I was mentioning it in together. In order to get the Here maps you have to use aptoide and add a repo , let me get the name for you | 11:30 |
| pavi | " boli3 " is the store add it on aptoide and then you can find the beta. Just note that you will be giving hell lot of your private data to Nokia and also its an android app which keeps wanting your connection details | 11:31 |
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| Nicd- | and you're trusting a random repo named 'boli3'... | 11:31 |
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| pavi | +1 to what Nicd- was saying. Try Fdroid repo and add OSMAnd | 11:32 |
| pavi | Here is a thread about OSMAnd and it needs some attention https://together.jolla.com/question/30478/app-request-osmand-navigation/ | 11:35 |
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| entil | sigh.. seems f-secure sold younited to this company http://rt.com/usa/202263-alexander-synchronoss-nsa-investments/ | 11:38 |
| entil | how stable is the owncloud client? | 11:38 |
| tbr | the_mgt: the 2GB was on device space requirement during upgrade. the download was much much smaller | 11:40 |
| Wnt | entil: wow :D | 11:40 |
| Wnt | that's interesting | 11:40 |
| entil | http://www.tivi.fi/Kaikki_uutiset/2015-02-04/F-Secure-hylk%C3%A4%C3%A4-younited-pilvitallennuspalvelunsa---60-miljoonan-kauppa-3215178.html?utm_source=mutsis only got the .fi news now, but there might be enough finns or linguists here ;) | 11:40 |
| * tbr would prefer a SeaFile client, but btsync also worked nicely in the past | 11:41 | |
| Wnt | there is somethin in english also: http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/02/04/702885/0/en/F-Secure-Corporation-to-sell-its-Personal-Cloud-Business-Operations-to-Synchronoss-to-strengthen-its-focus-on-Security.html | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | entil: look up, it was already here | 11:41 |
| entil | ok | 11:41 |
| Teemu | mutsis oli lähde | 11:41 |
| entil | gonna remove my data off younited after work and probably got to look into an owncloud setup, then | 11:41 |
| entil | gg for the customers of a service whose valueprop was "nsa-safety over usability" to be sold off like that | 11:42 |
| tadzik | powncloud? :P | 11:42 |
| Nicd- | well, I only shared pictures and I have my own VPS for that. just gotta write an app to upload images from my phone... | 11:43 |
| tbr | entil: consider also seafile | 11:45 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: using owncloud? | 11:45 |
| entil | I have a dream that one day we will have more reliable storage services than whatever we install for ourselves | 11:45 |
| tadzik | I was wondering whether to put it on my vps or go full retard and roll out my own thing :P | 11:45 |
| entil | tbr: I'm also considering mega, though it's probably dead by now, but client-side crypto is nice | 11:45 |
| Wnt | entil: but isn't there some problems with their client-side crypto? | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: nope, I have a script on my laptop so that when I put files into a directory, it names them randomly, rsyncs to a folder on my server and opens them in my browser (so I get the URLs) | 11:46 |
| entil | Wnt: I don't know yet | 11:46 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: ah, I see; I thougt you use it with jolla as well | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: well, I said I need to write a script/app to upload from my phone :P | 11:47 |
| tadzik | :) right | 11:47 |
| entil | having my data synced off the jolla automatically might be more important than crypto, but I could have my phone's data elsewhere | 11:47 |
| tbr | entil: seafile is open source and supports client side encryption AFAIU, so I'm trying it out. Didn't get too much done with it yet. | 11:48 |
| entil | tbr: nice | 11:49 |
| entil | a client would be as well, but there probably is an android client | 11:49 |
| tbr | http://seafile.com/en/home/ | 11:49 |
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| entil | found it, yeah | 11:49 |
| tbr | entil: there probably is a gnu/linux client... | 11:49 |
| entil | Runs on Ubuntu 12.04 or above | 11:50 |
| pavi | Hey you guys have any idea why the owncloud option is cargodock shows files but cant access them , Does it need root permissions ? | 11:50 |
| entil | terminal client for generic linux, too bad there ain't an arm binary :D | 11:50 |
| tbr | at which point just some sort of UI or automatic starting is the issue | 11:50 |
| tbr | entil: build it yourself? | 11:50 |
| tadzik | speaking of terminal, does anyone know if there's a way to have it never "squeeze" the terminal window in favour of the keyboard? | 11:50 |
| Wnt | http://sparkleshare.org seems also nice. I'm not sure if the programming language will be problematic as it's written in C# | 11:51 |
| tadzik | but rather always have the keyboard half-visible in the background, only lighting the keys up when you start typing | 11:51 |
| tbr | entil: as it falls into my current "I do things on sailfish if I need them for myself" policy, I might actually put that on OBS later | 11:51 |
| Wnt | sparkleshare uses Git as the storage backend | 11:51 |
| tbr | tadzik: IIRC you can tweak some things | 11:51 |
| entil | http://seafile.com/en/help/security/ wonder how strong that is | 11:52 |
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| Wnt | oh, looks like the sparkleshare project is quite dead. at least it's mobile clients | 11:57 |
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| tbr | entil: IIRC it was something sensible, but it can be reviewed :) | 12:06 |
| entil | yeah | 12:07 |
| Wnt | unlike the mega's client side encryption | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | morbid curiousity of community feeling: younited, sold to US company, what are you feeling about that? | 12:07 |
| tadzik | cover=blown | 12:08 |
| tbr | KaIRC: \V/. live long and prosper | 12:08 |
| entil | I actually have nfi about mega for real, it's something I thought about looking into deeper, but there was the promise of a younited client for jolla etc | 12:08 |
| tadzik | :P | 12:08 |
| entil | Stskeeps: it's the worst thing they could do, especially as the buyer company has NSA connections | 12:08 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: unchanged, didn't trust them in the first place. ;-) | 12:08 |
| KaIRC | tbr: \V/ | 12:08 |
| tadzik | I know now it was a right decision to not bother taming that f*$@*! android app | 12:09 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: seems pretty odd as I thought them being based in Finland was their main selling point | 12:09 |
| pp | Stskeeps: wtf are they going to do next, as if antivirus is that relevant these days :P | 12:09 |
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| Acce | they said they're going to concentrate on security, whatever that means :) | 12:10 |
| pp | (share price suggests they made the right move) | 12:10 |
| Acce | they got 20 M€ wins from the selling, I read | 12:11 |
| tadzik | Acce: keeping citizens secure :P | 12:11 |
| entil | selling it off was probably a good move for the company but as a customer I'm upset as hell | 12:11 |
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| tbr | pp: share price suggests investors like the decision. ;) | 12:11 |
| pp | they still have freedome, which apparently is pretty good | 12:12 |
| Acce | and investors like the "free" profit they made :) | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so i was pretty bang on the money on the feeling | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:12 |
| tbr | I tried that dome thing. They promised some extended testing using a promo code, didn't work. Tried it within the limited time, didn't find it very useful. | 12:12 |
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| pp | wonder how much money tekes gave them for developing it | 12:21 |
| * pp whistles innocently | 12:21 | |
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| entil | did they really use tekes money for that? | 12:24 |
| pp | very very likely | 12:25 |
| Teemu | everybody uses tekes money if they can spare to decicate man hours for the application | 12:25 |
| Teemu | meaning, the bigger you are the more tekes money you get | 12:25 |
| entil | cuz they bought the original tech somewhere (allegedly without due enough diligence) and raising money for refactoring and rewriting is harder | 12:25 |
| Teemu | exactly the opposite of what was the intention when setting up any research funds but... | 12:25 |
| Acce | well, at most, it was 30% or 50% of costs of work done over a few years, not sure in which percentage F-secure would fall in | 12:26 |
| pp | large company, 35%ish | 12:26 |
| entil | a healthy investor market would be more useful than tekes but wishing for that is like wishing for warfare to end | 12:27 |
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| Teemu | small companies get nothing because they cannot dedicate enough man hours for good applications | 12:27 |
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| entil | actual investors don't corrupt as easily as people who spread someone else's money | 12:27 |
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| entil | Teemu: it's actually not just the applications - if you raise funding you can have that done - but the constant reporting during the project | 12:27 |
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| entil | and the fact a lot of companies raise tekes money for a bullshit project, have someone do the reports and know from the get-go that the project was started off as a failure to use the money on something else | 12:28 |
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| entil | actual investors would not allow you to fail and walk away (eg. investing through convertibles) | 12:28 |
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| Teemu | well yes the raporting is very kekkoslovakish | 12:32 |
| entil | byroslavia | 12:32 |
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| Miskii | Stskeeps: (ref. younited) Disappointed, going to remove the client from my phone and my account from the service. | 12:35 |
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| Nicd- | guess I should remove my stuff too | 12:35 |
| Yaniel | all your files are belong to nsa(s subcontractor maybe?) | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | only used it for sharing pictures and that I can do in other ways | 12:36 |
| entil | Yaniel: there was the link about the company's nsa ties | 12:36 |
| entil | and I just realized younited was the last android app I was regularly running :D | 12:37 |
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| Nicd- | my younited client hadn't worked since christmas anyway, so no big loss | 12:39 |
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| Kabouik | Every time I try to update my applications through the Warehouse, it freezes and Jolla keeps asking me whether I want to wait or close the application. Isn't there a command line I could use to update all applications from Openrepos? | 12:42 |
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| Nicd- | anyone know how I can delete my younited account? | 12:46 |
| Nicd- | can't seem to find that option | 12:46 |
| Wnt | Kabouik: I think you can just use the openrepos application to add the repositories you want on your device | 12:46 |
| Kabouik | This is the openrepos applications that freezes Wnt | 12:47 |
| Kabouik | application* | 12:47 |
| Wnt | then use "pkcon install <pakcage name>" on the commandline to actually install the packages | 12:47 |
| Wnt | at least on my device the app only froze when I tried installing something using it | 12:47 |
| Wnt | in adding repositories it did succeed | 12:47 |
| Kabouik | It's for the updates in mine, and I tried many times. But the apps are already installed and the repos added, since I just want to update the apps | 12:48 |
| Miski | Nicd-: if you figure it out let me know, I can't seem to find it either. Nor a support email address to contact. | 12:48 |
| Nicd- | haha, apparently it's impossible to delete your account | 12:48 |
| Nicd- | the previous process used to be "PM a moderator on the forums" but now there seems to be none | 12:48 |
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| Wnt | Kabouik: you can also use pkcon or zypper to update the list of available packages and perform the upgrades too | 12:50 |
| Nicd- | Miski: "If you want to end your freemium subscription, we recommend that you just stop using the service, and download all your content from your younited account." | 12:50 |
| Kabouik | How would you use it? Will it update apps from the official store too? | 12:50 |
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| zmo | hi! | 12:51 |
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| Kabouik | If I use the commandline to avoid the freeze issue I have in Warehouse, then I don't want to update every Openrepos app one by one (plus I can't see which ones are upgradable in the Warehouse because it freezes), so this has to be automatic like a sudo apt-get update/upgrade | 12:52 |
| Wnt | Kabouik: I think zypper is a better interface to the package management sytem (better than pkcon), so i'd install that first: "devel-su" and then "pkcon install zypper" | 12:53 |
| Kabouik | I have it already but I admit I don't quite know how it differs from pkcon | 12:53 |
| zmo | when I try to connect my jolla phone to the jolla account in order to get updates and access to the jolla store, I cannot login, telling me to check date/time settings. I'm running Sailfish/OS v1.0.18.19. | 12:53 |
| zmo | is it a known issue? | 12:53 |
| Miski | Nicd-: yeah, found that as well | 12:53 |
| zmo | I checked the date/time settings, and if I set them to automatic, I get set up on the Helsinki timezone, so I set it up manually to my time within 2secs of my ntpdate up-to-date computer. | 12:54 |
| Wnt | Kabouik: then you can use "zypper" command to get basic usage | 12:54 |
| zmo | before going to support, I'd like to know if it's a known thing, whether I can get more details on the error looking at the log to check if I did something wrong or if I can fix it easily :-) | 12:55 |
| Wnt | things that are interesting to your use case are "zypper refresh" - Refresh all repositories. and "zypper list-updates" | 12:55 |
| pavi | Guess its offtopic but I lost my case at Fosdem where do I get cheap jolla cases ? Any recommended one ? | 12:55 |
| Kabouik | Wnt, so refresh will check wheter there are updates, list-updates will show me which updates are available, and is there a command for updating all at once? | 12:56 |
| tbr | Nicd-: IANAL, but it should be easy enough to construct something based on EU data protection laws that will make them delete most of your data | 12:56 |
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| Wnt | Kabouik: "zypper update" - Update installed packages with newer versions. but first make sure you really want to install all the updates | 12:57 |
| Kabouik | Yeah sure, thanks Wnt | 12:57 |
| Kabouik | I'll try that, hope it won't freeze as the Warehouse does | 12:57 |
| Wnt | Kabouik: some openrepo repositories can for example offer a new version of some build in libraries or Jolla's official applications | 12:57 |
| * tbr used that successfully in the past against spammers where the company could be identified | 12:57 | |
| Wnt | which you might not want to install | 12:57 |
| coderus | Wnt: why zypper better than pkcon for regular user? :) | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | tbr: yeah, I could make a complaint to the Data Protection Ombudsman but I'm probably too lazy for that | 12:58 |
| Kabouik | Anyway I always found the Warehouse update process was cumbersome, with every update triggering this timer before actually processing, and no 'update all' | 12:58 |
| tbr | *nod* | 12:58 |
| tadzik | Kabouik: fwiw, it's only warehouse UI that freezes, it actually does stuff in the background | 12:58 |
| Wnt | coderus: i'm not sure if there is a "list updates" equivalent on pkcon | 12:58 |
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| Wnt | and I think one should always review the packages that are going to be updated | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | That is what I thought tadzik so I tried several times and let the Jolla work, but when I relaunched Warehouse later, the first update was still there and still "available", not "done" | 12:59 |
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| Wnt | to avoid situations like some users had with bash upgrade that was coming from openrepos | 12:59 |
| tadzik | ah, I see | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | By the way, while I update these apps, another question: since several weeks, my Email application do not sync anymore (with Gmail). At all. Nor does my calendar (with Google Agenda). I double checked all accounts, sync is still set to "automatic". Plus I didn't change anything. Is that a known problem with the last Sailfish version? | 13:01 |
| coderus | Wnt: pkcon get-updates ? | 13:01 |
| coderus | pkcon get-update-detail package | 13:02 |
| Kabouik | coderus why do you think pkcon is better? Naive question, I asked the same about zypper to Wnt | 13:02 |
| coderus | Kabouik: pkcon using native cache and package management. zypper using it's own and it breaks pkcon, pkcon breaks zypper cache :) | 13:03 |
| fennekki | maybe just because it's already installed | 13:03 |
| Wnt | coderus: or maybe it was the --dry-run that is missing from pkcon | 13:03 |
| Wnt | coderus: "zypper install --dry-run <pakage>" | 13:03 |
| fennekki | packagekit is essentially a wrapper for other package managers | 13:04 |
| Kabouik | Ok, so they are basically quite similar as long as zypper is already installed (and it is, in my case) | 13:04 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: its already installed after you executed pkcon install zypper? :D | 13:04 |
| coderus | Wnt: why using dry-run? | 13:04 |
| Kabouik | Yes coderus, probably :] | 13:04 |
| tbr | Kabouik: check in the account settings if you need to re-auth | 13:05 |
| Miski | Nicd-: I found an email address to contact with regards to refunds ( younited-feedback@f-secure.com ) from https://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Refund/m-p/57323/highlight/true#M1148 . I guess I'll email them and see what happens | 13:05 |
| Kabouik | Can zypper install local .rpm too, like pkcon install-local? | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | Miski: tell me how it goes :) | 13:05 |
| tbr | Kabouik: google likes to deauth you for the weirdest reasons like appearing on a different network than usual, having several devices on different networks, etc | 13:05 |
| Kabouik | No I don't tbr. Actually if I launch Email app and do "Update all", it works. But the automatic sync never triggers | 13:05 |
| Miski | Nicd-: Sure, though I'm not getting my hopes up :) | 13:05 |
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| tbr | Kabouik: ah, ok. still check the account screen, just in case. | 13:06 |
| AL13N_work | wrt the oxydation, i found a pretty good low-tech solution | 13:06 |
| coderus | Kabouik: zypper install file.rpm | 13:07 |
| Kabouik | Ok coderus | 13:07 |
| Kabouik | Thanks | 13:07 |
| Teemu | what are you oxydizing AL13N_work ? | 13:07 |
| AL13N_work | i had been at the point where calls or using flash could cause reboot if i was running below 40% battery, and then below 70% battery... | 13:07 |
| Kabouik | Zypper is still refreshing tbr, I'll check the account screen again after that | 13:07 |
| AL13N_work | so i opened up the jolla, and got the battery out, but only just, where the pins are still touching the metal... | 13:07 |
| Teemu | ah | 13:08 |
| AL13N_work | then rotate slightly | 13:08 |
| AL13N_work | a few times | 13:08 |
| Teemu | good old wipe the contacts thing | 13:08 |
| AL13N_work | then also slightly moving a bit left-right | 13:08 |
| coderus | Kabouik: can you do ls -lh /var/log/zypper.log /var/log/zypp/history please and show results here? :) | 13:08 |
| AL13N_work | now i'm on 30% and still doing calls and camera flash without reboot | 13:08 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: yes, you can also just reinsert the battery 10 times. it's not super effective but helps for a while | 13:09 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 13:09 |
| AL13N_work | but the rotating slightly helps | 13:09 |
| tbr | yes | 13:09 |
| Kabouik | Sure I can coderus. Why do you think there is any problem? Because of Warehouse freezing? | 13:09 |
| AL13N_work | the pins itself clean the oxydation | 13:09 |
| coderus | Kabouik: no, i'm just curious :) | 13:09 |
| Kabouik | About what? :o | 13:09 |
| AL13N_work | too bad it oxydizes in the first place | 13:09 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: will see after seeing your results | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | Sounds like you're a doctor asking me to takfe off my bra without telling me why. :O | 13:10 |
| AL13N_work | O_o | 13:10 |
| coderus | Kabouik: sounds like you don't know what ls command does :D | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | :D | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | [root@Jolla nemo]# ls -lh /var/log/zypper.log /var/log/zypp/history | 13:11 |
| Kabouik | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 844K Feb 4 11:33 /var/log/zypp/history | 13:11 |
| Kabouik | -rw-r----- 1 root root 22M Feb 4 14:07 /var/log/zypper.log | 13:11 |
| AL13N_work | 22M | 13:11 |
| coderus | almost 1MB of history and 22MB of log. keep using zypper bro! :D | 13:11 |
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| coderus | thats why you should use pkcon instead of zypper :) | 13:12 |
| Kabouik | And pkcon can deal with openrepos too? I didn't know that actually. And actually, I didn't use zypper except when following a guide on TMO when it was explicitly required | 13:13 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: what is the guide? give me a link! | 13:13 |
| coderus | disabling repos before upgrade? :D | 13:13 |
| tbr | ah yes, random ph0rumz guides :D | 13:13 |
| Kabouik | Nothing in mind, just I know that there were some threads suggesting zypper to install stuff | 13:14 |
| coderus | Kabouik: somebody just fear using right tools | 13:14 |
| coderus | deal with repos using ssu tool, deal with packages using pkcon tool | 13:15 |
| coderus | you don't need using zypper directly in sailfish | 13:16 |
| Kabouik | I admit I'm not a wizzard with command lines, as you already understood. :p When I saw there were (at least) two commands for installing stuff, pkcon and zypper, and seeing that Zypper was mostly used to install things I saw on TMO, I thought pkcon couldn't deal with openrepos. I was wrong of course, but I had no reason to think Zypper was bad | 13:16 |
| coderus | Kabouik: openrepos is site. what are you talking about? :D | 13:16 |
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| Kabouik | I always thought there were official repos and community repos (Openrepos), and that pkcon could only deal with official. It was probably silly, but that was the best thing I found to explain why people were recommanding zypper for their packages instead of pkcon | 13:17 |
| coderus | :D | 13:18 |
| coderus | the only i can tell - you was wrong :D | 13:18 |
| Teemu | not all who write howto manuals know what they are writing about | 13:18 |
| Kabouik | Short story long: with my limited knowledge, I had no reason to think zypper was "evil" when experienced and famous people recommended using it on TMO to install their packages :p | 13:18 |
| coderus | and the author of articles was wrong also :D | 13:18 |
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| Kabouik | So what's the point of zypper? | 13:19 |
| coderus | Kabouik: zypper is "legacy" tool | 13:19 |
| coderus | as sailfishos is rpm-based, many oldschool peoples like zypper more | 13:19 |
| Teemu | this is why i have kept using freebsd instead of yourfavouritelinuxdistro as the gnu folks tend to not write any documents and "see the info" "man pages are deprecated" and keep referring to a howto some non-knowledgeable wrote ten years ago | 13:19 |
| Kabouik | tbr: confirmation no re-auth needed in Accounts | 13:19 |
| coderus | it's okay for desktop, but may break sailfishos cache of packages | 13:19 |
| tbr | ok | 13:19 |
| Kabouik | Ok, so let's move on to pkcon and refresh the cache. I see nothing about "refresh" or "update" in pkcon --help. What is the command line? Will it remove my 22MB zypper cache? | 13:21 |
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| Kabouik | get-updates I guess | 13:23 |
| coderus | pkcon refresh | 13:23 |
| coderus | Kabouik: rm /var/log/zypper.log | 13:24 |
| coderus | and yeah, pkcon lack of proper --help somewhy :O | 13:27 |
| coderus | i'm just using bash4 and bash-completion for pkcon :) | 13:28 |
| Kabouik | pkcon can be used as nemo as opposed to zypper, right? I guess that's a good thing, from a security standpoint | 13:29 |
| coderus | Kabouik: http://www.justmanpage.com/man/pkcon.1 | 13:29 |
| coderus | Kabouik: no it can't. just warehouse hacked security polices :D | 13:30 |
| tbr | /o\ | 13:30 |
| coderus | Kabouik: nemo requires privileged shell originally. | 13:30 |
| coderus | devel-su -p | 13:30 |
| coderus | but warehouse installs permissive policies for packagekit :D | 13:30 |
| Kabouik | So are you saying I should pkcon refresh/update as root? :o | 13:30 |
| coderus | Kabouik: no | 13:31 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 13:31 |
| coderus | devel-su -p is privileged shell, not root | 13:31 |
| coderus | tbr: yeah... | 13:32 |
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| Kabouik | coderus, [nemo@Jolla ~]$ devel-su -p | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Password: | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Enjoy your privileges. | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | cat: /proc/2085/environ: Permission denied | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | NOTICE: Env value ignored | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ | 13:38 |
| Kabouik | Sorry, I should probably have put it on pastebin | 13:39 |
| coderus | Kabouik: yes, everything okay | 13:39 |
| Yaniel | it does not give you a new shell | 13:39 |
| coderus | but as i said since you have warehouse installed you can just use pkcon without devel-su | 13:39 |
| Kabouik | Ok, so let's do that and then pkcon stuff. | 13:39 |
| coderus | Yaniel: it does | 13:39 |
| Yaniel | huh? | 13:40 |
| coderus | a privileged shell | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | okay, news to me | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | then again I've only tried to use it the sudo way | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | However coderus, despite Warehouse being installed, I got this at the end of the "pkcon refresh" (without devel-su -up) process: | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | I guess it's totally unrelated, just an issue with some repos | 13:41 |
| coderus | Kabouik: ssu fl says what? | 13:41 |
| Kabouik | Device flavour is currently: release | 13:41 |
| coderus | and ssu domain? | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | Device domain is currently: sales | 13:44 |
| coderus | okay. and with devel-su pkcon refresh doesnt say anout auth? | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | Let's try | 13:45 |
| coderus | about* | 13:45 |
| coderus | and paste ssu lr to pastebin | 13:46 |
| Kabouik | Still "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)", the error was even displayed much earlier than on my previous trial without devel-su (still 0% in the process, while the previous attempt got to 96 or 100% before showing the error) | 13:46 |
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| Kabouik | The list is quite long, you're warned. http://hastebin.com/debuqeqino.avrasm | 13:47 |
| locusf | lol | 13:48 |
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| coderus | Kabouik: everything looks ok | 13:50 |
| coderus | Kabouik: try | 13:50 |
| coderus | ssu fl sales | 13:50 |
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| coderus | ssu domain sales | 13:50 |
| coderus | ssu re 1.1.1.27 | 13:50 |
| coderus | pkcon refresh | 13:50 |
| Kabouik | as nemo? | 13:50 |
| coderus | yep | 13:50 |
| Kabouik | Well, without privilege shell I mean | 13:50 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 13:50 |
| Kabouik | Still the same auth error | 13:51 |
| coderus | well, then remove jolla account and add it again | 13:52 |
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| Kabouik | Refreshing software list | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | Fatal error: Cannot write file '/var/tmp/AP_0xOF3Z1o/repodata/repomd.xml'. | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | D: | 13:54 |
| coderus | are you running out of space? :D | 13:55 |
| coderus | btrfs fi show | 13:56 |
| coderus | as root | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | http://hastebin.com/lehujapawu.vbs | 13:56 |
| coderus | its very full :O | 13:57 |
| Kabouik | It seems to D: | 13:57 |
| coderus | you need a sdcard indeed | 13:57 |
| Kabouik | I have one | 13:57 |
| coderus | thats why you having random problems | 13:57 |
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| Kabouik | But probably not being used by the system | 13:57 |
| coderus | btrfs balance start / | 13:57 |
| coderus | as root | 13:57 |
| coderus | and wait | 13:57 |
| coderus | write btrfs fi show result after operation complete | 13:58 |
| Kabouik | ok | 13:58 |
| coderus | and buy sdcard! | 13:58 |
| Kabouik | I have one! | 13:58 |
| Kabouik | 64 GB... But I guess it's only used for storage at the moment | 13:58 |
| Kabouik | Not for the system | 13:58 |
| coderus | i mean just copy your camera pictures to sdcard :D | 14:00 |
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| Kabouik | Isn't there a way to do that automatically, by the way? With a link from /nemo/Pictures to /media/blablah/Pictures, or I don't know? | 14:02 |
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| coderus | if you using ext4/btrfs on your card yes | 14:06 |
| coderus | just do it | 14:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | everyone do balancies ? | 14:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Funny | 14:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWK7QLvuI-I | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: I wrote a how to for using it for android userdata on together | 14:29 |
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| chem|st | in case you have lots of android stuff too | 14:30 |
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| Kabouik | Well coderus, [root@Jolla nemo]# btrfs balance start / | 14:49 |
| Kabouik | ERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device | 14:49 |
| Kabouik | There may be more info in syslog - try dmesg | tail | 14:49 |
| Kabouik | D: | 14:49 |
| Kabouik | chem|st I don't think I had lots of Android data initially, but probably the Here maps I've downloaded for offline use have changed the situation | 14:50 |
| Bysmyyr | Kabouik: did you read the tjc page? | 14:50 |
| Kabouik | Depends which one :] | 14:51 |
| Bysmyyr | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 14:51 |
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| Kabouik | Thanks, will read it later (people in my office currently) | 14:53 |
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| coderus | say them: hey, do you know SailfishOS and Jolla Phone? | 15:06 |
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| Kabouik | Can anyone tell me how I should proceed to move my Jolla pictures default folder to the SD card, as well as Android data (Here maps)? I don't see that in the TJC page, and I would need to do it BEFORE the btrfs balance to free up some space. | 15:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Kabouik, i did the same thing today | 16:01 |
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| Kabouik | Great, so you can help me dr_gogeta86! :D | 16:03 |
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| coderus | best one: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 16:06 |
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| Kabouik | Nothing simpler with just some sort of symlink? I don't really want to format my SD card (I can't backup right now, not enough space on my laptop at work). Plus just moving the Jolla pictures defaut save location to /media/blablah/sdcard would free significant space | 16:20 |
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| till_ | Kabouik i've done a mount -o bind for the here maps folder, works most of the time | 16:37 |
| Kabouik | That's Chinese for me. Could you elaborate? :P | 16:38 |
| till_ | one sec | 16:38 |
| till_ | i've created a folder on my sd card and copied all the contents from /home/nemo/android_storage/Android/data/com.here.app.maps to this folder | 16:39 |
| till_ | and then i mounted it via mount -o bind /media/sdcard/2d814eb3-215a-461c-a5b7-1f44b6e7145c/com.here.app.maps/ /home/nemo/android_storage/Android/data/com.here.app.maps/ | 16:40 |
| till_ | before starting here | 16:41 |
| till_ | (/media/sdcard/2d814eb3-215a-461c-a5b7-1f44b6e7145c/com.here.app.maps/ is the path to the folder on the sd card) | 16:41 |
| Kabouik | And it mounts automatically at each reboot then? | 16:41 |
| till_ | i've modified a .service file for that | 16:41 |
| till_ | works sometimes, the other times i have to "start" the mount service manually | 16:42 |
| Kabouik | Ah :/ | 16:42 |
| till_ | i'll post it somewhere, one sec | 16:42 |
| Kabouik | I'd like something that works all the time, since, as you can see, I'm not a wizzard. So if sometimes it doesn't work, I won't be able to improvize the command to manually mount it :/ | 16:43 |
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| till_ | http://pastebin.com/u5dwstMy | 16:44 |
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| till_ | i guess you just have to tweak it a little bit, i havn't found time for fixing that | 16:44 |
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| till_ | maybe it has a wrong dependency or whatever, basically you just have to execute the "ExecStart" line after the sdcard got mounted | 16:45 |
| till_ | you are welcome to post that on tjc and ask someone with more systemd knowledge to fix the file :p | 16:47 |
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| HtheB | yo coderus, how are you? | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: ehrm yes offline maps is the reason why I was looking for using the sdcard in the first place | 16:51 |
| Kabouik | Maybe I'll start with moving the pictures with the Baptx's post here till_ :D https://together.jolla.com/question/17691/camera-cant-store-pictures-to-sd-card/ | 16:51 |
| Kabouik | Sounds simpler for me :p | 16:51 |
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| Kabouik | Because I don't see myself being capable of tweaking the .service :P | 16:52 |
| till_ | :) I hope this features are soon added to sailfish | 16:53 |
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| HtheB | while we are waiting for all kinds of updates | 16:55 |
| HtheB | you should listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDKsV6AW1HM | 16:55 |
| HtheB | <3 | 16:55 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: if symlinking is your choice | 16:55 |
| chem|st | there is no need for tweaking service files, the sdcard guide is pretty much copy paste | 16:56 |
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| chem|st | till_: for you too, formatting the sd to btrfs with subvolumes and creating a service with systemd is not that a big deal | 16:58 |
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| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/40802 | 17:00 |
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| Kabouik | I think my SD card is already in ext4, would I need to format it into btrfs chem|st? Then I can't do it currently, not enough space to backup the content on my laptop. | 17:03 |
| Kabouik | But all in all, all I want is move Here maps to the SD card (and possibly all Android data) as well as Jolla pictures, to free up some space on internal memory and run btrfs balance | 17:04 |
| coderus | Kabouik: to sharing space with android you need btrfs | 17:04 |
| coderus | to link Pictures you just ln | 17:04 |
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| Kabouik | All right, then I'll try to follow the TJC 40802 post that chem|st has posted once I get home | 17:05 |
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| coderus | hey, i posted same link one hour before :D | 17:05 |
| coderus | you could already do that :D | 17:05 |
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| Teemu | coderus: i was just going to asky why on earth would anyone want to format something as btrfs | 17:06 |
| Kabouik | The issue with ln and pictures is apparently that the gallery then shows duplicates, hence the need for hidden folders on the SD card (I only quickly browsed the link I posted above, explaining that procedure) | 17:06 |
| coderus | Teemu: cool stuff | 17:06 |
| coderus | subvolumes, snapshots | 17:06 |
| Kabouik | I know you posted it before coderus, I replied at the time :p | 17:06 |
| coderus | Kabouik: yep, just link to /media/sdcard/12345/.pictures | 17:07 |
| Teemu | coderus: also experimental quality :) | 17:07 |
| coderus | Teemu: not at last kernels | 17:07 |
| coderus | in jolla unfortunately old kernel | 17:07 |
| coderus | hope they backporting fixes | 17:07 |
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| Teemu | am not really interested in how cool it is in other systems than jolla | 17:08 |
| coderus | i never had problems with btrfs on my phone | 17:08 |
| Teemu | good though that it's getting more stable | 17:08 |
| Teemu | i'm wondering a bit on why not use zfs as it is already available as open source but i didn't decide on this | 17:09 |
| Teemu | :) | 17:09 |
| coderus | ah | 17:10 |
| coderus | and btrfs because qualcomm partitions | 17:10 |
| Teemu | that was the reason to start developing btrfs in the first place? | 17:11 |
| coderus | afaik | 17:13 |
| lainwir3d | I just formatted my workstation with btrfs | 17:14 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 17:14 |
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| coderus | kernel > 3.8? | 17:18 |
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| HtheB | coderus: i have some problems using the network patch | 17:36 |
| HtheB | somehow, it doesnt save the settings when choosing 3G+4G | 17:36 |
| HtheB | it turns into "any". And then I can't receive any phone calls anymore | 17:36 |
| HtheB | (before you're going to ask me: yes, 3G signal just works fine, so it should fall back to 3G when receiving a call then right?) | 17:37 |
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| coderus | HtheB: reported on openrepos | 17:46 |
| coderus | but i can't reproduce it | 17:46 |
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| HtheB | what OS version do yuou have? :D | 17:47 |
| HtheB | seems like everyone has the same problems, but you dont xD | 17:47 |
| coderus | check you using last patch version and ofono version 1.14git74-1.17.2 | 17:47 |
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| HtheB | aaand my phone suddenly shut down | 17:48 |
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| coderus | HtheB: start jolla-settings in terminal/ssh and drop me your log | 17:50 |
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| coderus | HtheB: i tested on 2 jollas and everything works flawlessly | 17:54 |
| HtheB | coderus: ah, I just notice that a newer version is available | 17:57 |
| HtheB | i looked earlier today, but then there was no update :p | 17:58 |
| HtheB | I will see how the newer version works | 17:58 |
| HtheB | but do you have any issues with the Mobile Data toggle in the eventsview? | 17:58 |
| coderus | HtheB: no i never havent it | 18:00 |
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| HtheB | thats also weird :p because everyone else has it lol | 18:01 |
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| coderus | :D | 18:06 |
| coderus | what the bug? | 18:06 |
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| HtheB | coderus: yeah :D | 18:16 |
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| coderus | HtheB: "Heah, The Bug"? | 18:50 |
| coderus | Yeah* | 18:50 |
| HtheB | ? | 18:50 |
| HtheB | I was talking about the "mobile data" switch bug in the Eventsview | 18:51 |
| HtheB | that bug :p everyone has it | 18:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus is missing out | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | because he hasnt got the bug | 18:51 |
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| HtheB | r0kk3rz: but how come!? everyone else has it >.< | 18:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure coderus' jollas are far from typical sailfish installs | 18:56 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 18:56 |
| HtheB | I also encountered some battery status bug for a couple days now | 18:56 |
| HtheB | it shows 4%, then when I plug in the charger, it says 50% .... :/ | 18:57 |
| HtheB | SUPER FAST CHARGING! | 18:57 |
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| Teemu | 100500A or more | 18:57 |
| Teemu | make a youtube video on that, tag it with free energy, watch as folio hat people run to buy jolla devices that support free energy | 18:57 |
| chem|st | -.- | 18:58 |
| HtheB | i already took a video, uploading already :p http://youtu.be/nLXcVzE2LE8 | 18:58 |
| HtheB | Teemu: what exactly could be the problem of the battery bug? | 18:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | cut it with a video of someone looking up a jolla to a tesla supercharger | 19:01 |
| r0kk3rz | hilarity will ensue | 19:01 |
| r0kk3rz | *hooking | 19:01 |
| HtheB | :D | 19:01 |
| Teemu | HtheB: battery level is often measured from voltage, which does not represent the charge level very well | 19:01 |
| Teemu | you'd have to count the energy put in the battery and got out of the battery in order to keep count of what really happens | 19:02 |
| Teemu | i'm supposing jolla doesn't do it that way | 19:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | there was an item in their iteration planning that they are going to swap out upower with something else | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz | because upower is shit | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps puts upower on fire | 19:03 | |
| HtheB | :D | 19:04 |
| Teemu | what's upower? | 19:04 |
| HtheB | Teemu: I donno, but it seems like no one likes it :D | 19:04 |
| Teemu | part of systemd perhaps? | 19:04 |
| coderus | HtheB: what is the bug? | 19:05 |
| coderus | what wrong with mobile data? | 19:06 |
| HtheB | coderus: button doesn't do anything | 19:06 |
| r0kk3rz | upower monitors the battery | 19:06 |
| HtheB | sometimes, when mobile data is actually on, it shows "off" on the event viewer toggle | 19:06 |
| HtheB | when you try to press it, nothing happens. doesnt change the toggle | 19:06 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: seems like upower is drunk | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | and i assume its part of the chain into whats shown on the lockscreen | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | you can get more info from it with 'upower -d' in terminal | 19:07 |
| r0kk3rz | you might see some funny numbers | 19:07 |
| coderus | HtheB: can you make some modifications to /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/mobilenetworking/DataConnection.qml to get debug log? | 19:07 |
| coderus | HtheB: or it's better to install debug patch package version? | 19:08 |
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| HtheB | coderus: whatever you think its better :) | 19:12 |
| HtheB | i can make mods, or i can install debug package | 19:13 |
| coderus | HtheB: so, did you opened that file? | 19:13 |
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| HtheB | yes, with nano | 19:14 |
| coderus | line 51 after var list = ... | 19:15 |
| coderus | add: | 19:15 |
| coderus | console.log("service path: " + list[root.index]) | 19:15 |
| coderus | console.log("default context: " + subscriberIdentity.value) | 19:15 |
| coderus | and start jolla-terminal in terminal | 19:15 |
| coderus | jolla-settings* | 19:15 |
| Teemu | HtheB: i'm not sure this is about software at all... if jolla's battery management ic does not count energy as energy but just measures the voltage, nothing in software can be done about it | 19:21 |
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| Teemu | there are some heuristics that can _most_of_the_time_ map the abstraction to work but it leaks in fringe cases | 19:21 |
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| HtheB | coderus: sorry, had a phone call | 19:27 |
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| HtheB | coderus: ok | 19:34 |
| HtheB | done :) | 19:34 |
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| coderus | HtheB: so, log? | 19:37 |
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| HtheB | coderus: www.htheb.com/log.txt | 19:40 |
| coderus | values are same, so it should work okay from eventsview :) | 19:41 |
| HtheB | but it's not :( | 19:42 |
| coderus | now revert changes back :D | 19:42 |
| HtheB | hang on | 19:42 |
| HtheB | let me show you :D | 19:42 |
| * HtheB reverts stuff back before showing to you | 19:42 | |
| coderus | it gives me nothing | 19:42 |
| coderus | can you setup reverse ssh tunnel to jolla? | 19:42 |
| HtheB | reverse ssh? | 19:43 |
| HtheB | i do know ssh, but never heard of reverse ssh before | 19:43 |
| HtheB | let me try it :) | 19:44 |
| coderus | i just need to access your jolla ssh over internet | 19:45 |
| coderus | you need to open some port on router and setup reverse ssh tunnel on pc using that port and map it to jolla ip:port | 19:45 |
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| HtheB | coderus: got teamviewer? | 19:45 |
| coderus | and i can acces syour pc:reverseip | 19:46 |
| HtheB | hmm let me see | 19:46 |
| coderus | okay :D | 19:46 |
| coderus | teamviewer | 19:46 |
| coderus | pm me id:pass | 19:46 |
| HtheB | Teemu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXcVzE2LE8 | 19:46 |
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| fennekki | Oh, right, this reminds me, is there still any timeline for OTR in the native XMPP support | 19:51 |
| HtheB | Super fast charging ftw | 19:52 |
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| BaggersIO | Hey, this is my first IRC message, sent from my new Jolla :D | 21:16 |
| Teemu | success! | 21:16 |
| BaggersIO | Yay | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 21:16 |
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| Mikaela | :) | 21:18 |
| Mikaela | which client? or ssh somewhere? | 21:18 |
| Mikaela | or native or android? | 21:18 |
| BaggersIO | native | 21:19 |
| Yaniel | irc for sailfish? aka communi | 21:20 |
| Mikaela | I don't think there are others than communi :) | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | didn't someone compile irssi | 21:21 |
| Yaniel | weechat might build too | 21:21 |
| BaggersIO | yep, it's called irc for sailfish os :) | 21:21 |
| Mikaela | the only thing I have compiled is tmux and I don't think I have need for others | 21:21 |
| Yaniel | mosh | 21:22 |
| Mikaela | I think it was in repos | 21:23 |
| BaggersIO | okay, time to sleep :) Will explore my new jolla tomorrow. cheers guys :D | 21:24 |
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| Mikaela | same, | 21:24 |
| Mikaela | good night | 21:24 |
| Mikaela | 2015-02-04T23:24:49+0200 | 21:24 |
| BaggersIO | hyvää yötä saksasta kaikille ;) | 21:25 |
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| Tegu | BaggersIO: #jollasuomi for that :p | 21:27 |
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| BaggersIO | xD | 21:27 |
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