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| Mikaela | when you put alarm clock to ring on the current minute, it says "0 minutes left", shouldn't it say "1 day left"? | 04:31 |
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| coderus | or at least 24 hours left | 04:32 |
| tiwake | sounds like a typical off-by-one error | 04:32 |
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| Teemu | programmers are funny in this | 05:30 |
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| Teemu | a nonprogrammer would tweet about it using the expression wrong on so many levels | 05:31 |
| Teemu | a programmer says either "oh, a typical X error" or "interesting, i've never seen this before" | 05:32 |
| tiwake | a programmer probably wouldent tweet | 05:34 |
| tiwake | XD | 05:34 |
| Teemu | "says" :) | 05:34 |
| tiwake | yeah | 05:34 |
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| tiwake | "talk about it on IRC, but too lazy to do anything about it" | 05:35 |
| Nicd- | *sigh* younited has stopped finding new pics again | 05:35 |
| Nicd- | hasn't found any since christmas | 05:35 |
| tiwake | you want some pictures? | 05:35 |
| Teemu | nonprogrammers make a huge fuzz of any software error and programmers make too little mess about things they see but don't want to work on personally | 05:35 |
| Nicd- | tiwake: it should find my own pics and autoupload them | 05:35 |
| Nicd- | dunno if it's younited or the android layer screwing up | 05:36 |
| tiwake | Nicd-: https://forums.inovaestudios.com/t/i-novae-engine-screenshot-thread/582 | 05:37 |
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| Nicd- | *ba-dum-psh* | 05:38 |
| tiwake | what? | 05:38 |
| tiwake | those are some fantastic pictures | 05:38 |
| tiwake | Teemu: I cant tell you how many microwaves have the off-by-one error... | 05:40 |
| tiwake | even to this day | 05:41 |
| tiwake | it does bother me a little XD | 05:41 |
| Teemu | microwaves also have annoying ux brainfarts more often than not | 05:43 |
| tiwake | ux? | 05:43 |
| Teemu | the ultimate microwave ux has already been designed: two knobs and a doorhandle | 05:44 |
| Teemu | a display unless the knobs have indicator prints | 05:44 |
| tiwake | oh, the user interface? | 05:44 |
| tiwake | I don't like knobs on my microwave... I cant turn it to 43 seconds... only 40 or 45 | 05:45 |
| tiwake | they assume I want to count by 5's | 05:45 |
| Teemu | that's a good example of a smallish brainfart | 05:45 |
| Teemu | larger issues with lumpy brain tissue result in things like menus and "oh lets make it weight based" | 05:47 |
| tiwake | one of these days, when I have flank tons of free time, I'm going to pull out the microcontroller and make my own thing | 05:47 |
| tiwake | for a microwave | 05:48 |
| tiwake | the older ones are kinda nice actually... select power level and turn the knob... no digital anything on it :P | 05:48 |
| Teemu | yes | 05:48 |
| Teemu | especially if they don't have any "open the door" -button but just a handle to grab the damn door open | 05:49 |
| Teemu | kimmoli: i've got the hardware so our play lunch date is on | 05:51 |
| kimmoli | Teemu: ah it was td | 05:53 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: hehe... http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/28006/why-do-microwave-oven-uis-fail | 05:55 |
| Teemu | that's what my calendar says, 1130 at the olarin wanha mestari | 05:55 |
| Teemu | i'm not sure if i asked if you already know the place or not | 05:56 |
| tiwake | Teemu: here we go http://i.stack.imgur.com/PKBVR.jpg | 05:57 |
| tiwake | I don't know why I'm continuing to look this stuff up | 05:57 |
| kimmoli | http://ux.stackexchange.com/a/29608 | 05:58 |
| tiwake | maybe because of years of microwaves subconsciously bothering me | 05:58 |
| kimmoli | this is exactly my microw. | 05:58 |
| Teemu | tiwake: nearly perfect | 05:59 |
| tiwake | Teemu: yeah, the door handle thing | 06:00 |
| tiwake | though that can be modified easier than the controller | 06:01 |
| tiwake | google says there are no open source microwave ovens | 06:02 |
| tiwake | I'd call it the KISS microwave oven | 06:03 |
| Nicd- | what I managed to do this weekend: https://blog.nytsoi.net/#!/2015/02/03/sailfish-pitot | 06:04 |
| Nicd- | hopefully can release it next weekend | 06:04 |
| tiwake | Nicd-: how about the mach setting? | 06:06 |
| Teemu | oh crap the snow | 06:06 |
| Nicd- | tiwake: I can add it but usually you're not going to go that fast :) | 06:06 |
| tiwake | OH RLLY | 06:06 |
| tiwake | :P | 06:07 |
| kimmoli | i made also speedometer, had also similar issues iirc | 06:08 |
| tiwake | mach, and a bunch of others would be awesome... feet/second miles/hour meters/second... etc. | 06:08 |
| kimmoli | jumping around, in 0.25 m/s steps | 06:09 |
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| Teemu | furlongs / fortnight | 06:09 |
| tiwake | heh | 06:09 |
| tiwake | I guess mach isnt really needed | 06:09 |
| Teemu | cables per lunar month | 06:10 |
| tiwake | its what ~200 meters/second? | 06:10 |
| tiwake | 1,100 feet/second | 06:10 |
| tiwake | no, 340 meters/second.. derp | 06:10 |
| Teemu | only ten times a nice motorway speed | 06:11 |
| Mikaela | I just said it here, because I was leaving. It probably belongs to together | 06:12 |
| Mikaela | and another thing is that my jolla decided to jump to bus WLAN, but that is understandable and not a bug | 06:12 |
| Mikaela | WLAN of another bus than that which I was going to use, but it jumped back to 4G after the bus left | 06:12 |
| Nicd- | kimmoli: is it available somewhere? I didn't find by searching | 06:12 |
| Nicd- | I found one that showed all GPS info but I just want the speed and want it big on the screen (it actually scales the font to be as big as can fit on screen) | 06:13 |
| Teemu | don't you want to see the satellite id list as well? :) | 06:14 |
| Nicd- | hehe | 06:14 |
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| Nicd- | I just want to see my speed when I'm cycling or driving (for example to measure the error in my car's speedometer) | 06:15 |
| kimmoli | Nicd-: propably not available | 06:16 |
| kimmoli | at least it was not in my github , just checked | 06:16 |
| kimmoli | but iirc the original resolution is 0.25 m/s, which gives these annoyig 4.5, 5.4... | 06:17 |
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| Nicd- | yeah | 06:17 |
| kimmoli | make a numberAnimation :) | 06:18 |
| Teemu | any ideas on why the navigator app freezes while i'm having an incoming phone call? | 06:19 |
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| inz | Teemu, because talking while driving is dangerous! (i.e. I have no idea) | 06:23 |
| Teemu | i've got headsfree in the car | 06:23 |
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| Mikaela | I opened thread about it and it seems to be having activity and this might be something that just I am experiencing for some reason https://together.jolla.com/question/79765/when-alarm-clock-is-enabled-on-current-minute-0-minutes-left-to-alarm/?comment=79771 | 07:18 |
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| Teemu | kimmoli: damn the driveway was full of snow | 08:14 |
| Teemu | i'll be hungry like two wolves | 08:14 |
| kimmoli | ;) | 08:15 |
| Teemu | do you know the place? | 08:19 |
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| kimmoli | kuitinmäki ostari | 08:29 |
| Teemu | joo siellä | 08:30 |
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| SQUelcher | Great, just great: The phone is back from repair and a screw came off directly, they have ruined the thread of the screw and glued it in a bit to hide the fault.. | 08:35 |
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| Stskeepz | SQUelcher: contact care if the device isn't as you expected | 08:35 |
| SQUelcher | Stskeepz: I did already | 08:35 |
| Stskeepz | good | 08:35 |
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| SQUelcher | Stskeepz: I guess it's not jollas fault, as optimaservice.fi carried out the repair, but it's not great for the reputation.. | 08:43 |
| Stskeepz | SQUelcher: i don't personally disagree | 08:43 |
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| Bysmyyr | heh | 08:46 |
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| coderus | is there a way to install certificate which can be used by aliendalvik apps? | 08:47 |
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| tbr | I think I once got the android settings appp running. But I don't remember if I was able to mess with credential storage. | 08:48 |
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| coderus | Stskeepz: did you received my email? | 08:52 |
| Stskeepz | coderus: i did | 08:52 |
| coderus | cool, already crashed ambienced? :D | 08:52 |
| Stskeepz | i would try but seems like my devel device decided to commit suicide first :) | 08:52 |
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| Mikaela | I think I understand your devel device | 08:54 |
| coderus | :D | 08:55 |
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| coderus | patch for adding more network modes: https://openrepos.net/content/coderusofono/patch-more-network-modes | 12:22 |
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| fennekki | network modes? | 12:32 |
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| anYc | "Patch for adding more network modes in settings: Any, 4G only, 4G + 3G, 3G only, 3G + 2G, 2G only" | 12:42 |
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| aard_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/79835/early-access-to-sailfishos-releases/ | 13:54 |
| tadzik | \o/ | 13:55 |
| fennekki | neat | 13:55 |
| coderus | aard_: i see no checkbox :( | 13:55 |
| aard_ | coderus: be patient. :) | 13:55 |
| coderus | aard_: releaseinf announce before commiting website, okay :| | 13:56 |
| coderus | releasing* | 13:56 |
| aard_ | coderus: we were betting what causes more questions, enabling the checkbox without having the together post there, or doing the together post without having the button enabled :p | 13:57 |
| coderus | you need some synchronization indeed | 13:58 |
| Scelt | aard_: sudo git pull :-D | 14:01 |
| Scelt | "never ever before have people F5'd the account page" | 14:02 |
| Bysmyyr | :D | 14:02 |
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| Scelt | and the checkbox is live | 14:02 |
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| coderus | aand it's here now :) | 14:05 |
| Plnt | aard_: wouldn't it be better to have the checkbox on the devices page? i have just one jolla phone so it doesn't matter for me but some people may have more devices and want to opt-in just for some of their devices - the "non-production" ones :) | 14:05 |
| coderus | Plnt: +1 | 14:05 |
| xfade_ | Plnt: that is a planned feature, but will take a longer time. | 14:05 |
| coderus | for now just create more accounts :) | 14:05 |
| Plnt | ah, cool. great feature anyway :). thanks | 14:05 |
| Scelt | okay, 2/3 down. Where's the 3/3 = the actualy early access update? | 14:06 |
| xfade_ | for now if you have more than one device, create a second account :) | 14:06 |
| aard_ | Plnt: we'll improve this based on feedback, but to get feedback to improve we need to start somewhere | 14:07 |
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| Bysmyyr | ofcourse you do not need to install that dev-update | 14:07 |
| Plnt | aard_: yeah sure. as i said - i don't need this. just an idea ;). looking forward for the next update arriving this way. | 14:08 |
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| Acce | any ideas why copying backup to sd could fail? df shows it's mounted and has 6,4GB free space | 14:14 |
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| xfade_ | Acce: >2GB file? | 14:15 |
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| Acce | hmm shouldn't be, since I'm not backing up the gallery | 14:15 |
| Acce | I doubt my messages and contacts etc take up so much | 14:16 |
| xfade_ | That would be quite a lot of messages yes ;) | 14:16 |
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| Acce | .vault is only 15M, isn't that the location of backups on phone memory? | 14:16 |
| coderus | aard_: i mean for u9 was 7 stable RC version. is this program for same thing? and i'm asking will we receive all of this RC as soon as it pushed to repos, or if there will be 10 RC we will receive only 1-2 of them? | 14:16 |
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| aard_ | coderus: the latter one. it's basically a warranty issue -- we need to be reasonably sure that your device does not become a care case by using those early access updates. it's best to start with a point we know is safe, and then slowly make more available | 14:19 |
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| TMavica | I want a test. lol | 14:23 |
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| gogeta | +1 | 14:25 |
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| pp | user friendliest would be having a tab in the developer mode settings? (that presumably sets some bit in the "are there any updates" -query | 14:47 |
| pp | (of course then you would presumably have to enable developer mode to get them) | 14:47 |
| coderus | pp: nooo | 14:50 |
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| aard_ | pp: we have the credentials option in developer mode settings for when we add really, really early rc access | 14:58 |
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| sledges | PSA: sailfishos community meeting at #mer-meeting | 15:00 |
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| Mikaela | when should I expect seeing those updates? I have ticked the checkbox | 15:39 |
| Scelt | :D | 15:39 |
| Scelt | now Aard should say: "we were betting what causes more questions, telling about early access without updates or updates without early access" | 15:40 |
| Aard | Mikaela: about one week before the next release :p | 15:40 |
| chem|st | Acce: do you have more than one mount active, eg more than one partition or btrfs subvolumes? | 15:41 |
| Mikaela | and the next release is "real soon now™" which is in calendar (ISO 8601 date)? | 15:41 |
| chem|st | Mikaela: it will be 500N-01-01 | 15:43 |
| Mikaela | hmm... | 15:43 |
| Aard | Mikaela: can't make promises, the latest glibc issue screwed with our release plans a bit as it requires big rebuilds. I'm hoping that we can make the opt-in variant available next week, but don't yell at me if it does not happen | 15:43 |
| Mikaela | I see | 15:43 |
| chem|st | Aard: I will yell at you either way ok? | 15:44 |
| Scelt | Aard: and I'll call you a stud | 15:45 |
| Scelt | or a badger. your choice | 15:46 |
| chem|st | :D | 15:47 |
| Aard | _honey_badger, please | 15:51 |
| Scelt | okay, honey | 15:51 |
| Scelt | ...badger | 15:52 |
| faenil | haha | 15:52 |
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| anandrkris | Hi Folks - One quick question - Can I delete individual entries in Transfers? | 15:53 |
| anandrkris | saw a post that it is possible but am unable to get the option... | 15:53 |
| anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/552/remove-individual-transfers/ | 15:53 |
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| anandrkris | ? | 15:57 |
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| nazanin | anandrkris: afaik, you can't delete the enteries one by one. it can be a feature request,though :) | 15:59 |
| anandrkris | maybe it's coming in Update 11 as i saw a response by bijjal in TJC that it's available | 16:00 |
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| anandrkris | nander: have shared the link above for existing feature request :) | 16:02 |
| anandrkris | oops.. it should have been nazanin ! | 16:03 |
| nazanin | :) yeah, saw that link | 16:03 |
| * anandrkris Note to self - Don't blindly press tabs! | 16:03 | |
| nazanin | anandrkris: will you also address to the post in TJC saying it's available? :) | 16:04 |
| anandrkris | am confused... | 16:04 |
| anandrkris | because someone saying it is working on U10 | 16:05 |
| Acce | chem|st: I haven't done any modifications to the default partitions, so I think I don't have any | 16:06 |
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| nazanin | anandrkris: afaik, there's no such feature as deleting the enteries one by one | 16:10 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: and if there are any posts in tjc which says there is/will be, please direct me to them | 16:10 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: if you update saying that it would help | 16:11 |
| anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/552/remove-individual-transfers/ | 16:11 |
| anandrkris | Click on More Comments :) | 16:11 |
| anandrkris | "The transfer UI now has an option to remove an individual entry via the long-press context menu." | 16:11 |
| anandrkris | Bijjal | 16:12 |
| nazanin | ah, I see | 16:12 |
| anandrkris | It was an answer earlier, now made as comment... | 16:12 |
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| nazanin | anandrkris: ah, while you're here | 16:15 |
| nazanin | 16:15 | |
| nazanin | @Aard - thanks for your quick response... Glad! Whilst I have your attention, it will be nice to see user feedback ack'ed in Harbor store for Jolla apps! I hardly have seen any responses there. You guys are diligent in TJC though :) | 16:15 |
| anandrkris | yes | 16:15 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: in what case haven't you get a response from Harbour QA? :) | 16:15 |
| Acce | Here's what the log says when trying to do the copy to SD, don't see anything there but maybe someone does: http://pastebin.com/4xDpjM74 | 16:15 |
| anandrkris | dont recall seeing any developer comments on Harbor store afaik | 16:16 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: for Jolla store apps? or for all the apps? | 16:17 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: I am referring to user comments in store | 16:17 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: Jolla made | 16:17 |
| anandrkris | take calculator for example | 16:17 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: I see your point :) we have developer-care(a formal way to contact us), IRC(less formal), TJC (for feature request and bug reporting)... so don't see enough reasons why comments need to be checked there as well :) | 16:18 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: i know..then disable :) | 16:18 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: but then what about others app? :) | 16:19 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: why should people waste their time giving feedback | 16:19 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: You obviosul | 16:19 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, thats basically ignoring the users :) | 16:19 |
| nazanin | we can't just disable comments for Jolla apps. the commeting part is used by other users to contact with the app developers (non jolla) | 16:19 |
| anandrkris | you obviously can differentiate between Jolla apps and others | 16:19 |
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| anandrkris | IIRC, There is even a section Jolla apps | 16:20 |
| M4rtinK | or you know, repply ? ;-) | 16:20 |
| anandrkris | someone should own the app in store IMO | 16:20 |
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| nazanin | M4rtinK: not really :) we're giving attention to users in much better ways. we check tjc, we have developer-care, we have irc... of course having someone who checks the comments there always is a benefit, but resources are limited for now :) | 16:20 |
| anandrkris | if i am looking after Calculator app | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | If the only feedback channel which is visiible to the normal user, isn't visible to developers, there's probably something gone wrong somewhere :) | 16:21 |
| anandrkris | i can be assigned to keep a tab there..it's not like you have 100's of comments | 16:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Haven't heard of developer-care before, though I once tried to use zendesk and couldn't figure it out, and gave up after an hour of tapping or so :-D | 16:22 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: no offense meant, but looking at no. of apps and no. of comments it is not an arduous task really | 16:22 |
| Price15x | why not merge TJC with comments in Jolla Store whole problem solved | 16:22 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: *nod* i see what you mean there. I'm just saying that would be an ideal way that everything,everywhere is checked... currently we are trying to cover as much as we can :) | 16:23 |
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| nazanin | Price15x: that can be an idea for example:) | 16:23 |
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| Price15x | yup even if the developer cant reply a super smart tech guy could share his inputs ;) | 16:24 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: agree...at least bugs can be ack'ed...also, just add a description saying feedback welcome on TJC! | 16:24 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: taking me (+ other store guys) for example, we simply try to help where ever we see some questions regarding the Store/apps | 16:24 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: yeah | 16:24 |
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| anandrkris | nazanin: am not saying QA should do... | 16:25 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: it's kinda QA related :) | 16:25 |
| anandrkris | ideally, each app should have an owner already? | 16:25 |
| nazanin | yup | 16:25 |
| anandrkris | whoever develops...fixes bugs...adds features | 16:25 |
| nazanin | you wanna give developers this much manual work? :P | 16:25 |
| anandrkris | they should have visibility of user feedback | 16:26 |
| nazanin | we have qa here to take care of the 'reporting bugs' bit | 16:26 |
| anandrkris | 10 apps and 40 comments for each app | 16:26 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: oh ok... | 16:26 |
| Price15x | well since most apps are opensource you dont need to depend on one developer, right? | 16:26 |
| anandrkris | just put a standard comment, we'll look into it | 16:26 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: Thanks for feedback, we will investiagte bla bla | 16:27 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: write a bot if it's easy... | 16:27 |
| anandrkris | anandrkris: Harbor is what is in the device...natural place to report...Not all know about TJC... | 16:28 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: yeah :P I'll redirect this request to see in what ways we can lessen the pain for both sides :) | 16:28 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/554907616787574784 | 16:28 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: lovely, thanks! sorry if I carried a bit harsh tone | 16:29 |
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| nazanin | anandrkris: yeah :) I was more talking about having a way to make it visible for our users that we check them as much as we can :) | 16:29 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: no problem, thanks for letting us know :) | 16:30 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: btw,a sidenote, Store is what you have on the device; Harbour is where the apps gets submitted for review :) | 16:30 |
| nazanin | https://harbour.jolla.com/ | 16:30 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: yeah...got it | 16:31 |
| M4rtinK | I'm afraid those two have already kinda blended together :) | 16:31 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: how 3rd party developers access harbour to view user feedback | 16:31 |
| anandrkris | i related in similar fashion...whoever publishes app... | 16:32 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: by logging in? | 16:32 |
| anandrkris | yeah... | 16:32 |
| anandrkris | am not sure how org is structured internally | 16:32 |
| nazanin | M4rtinK: well, maybe, when you say Harbour, I as a Harbour engineer think of this https://harbour.jolla.com/ ... when you say Store, I think of the Store app on the device :) | 16:33 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: i get the difference but users use it loosely :) | 16:33 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: even TJC is not helpful - https://together.jolla.com/question/21259/bug-cant-divide-by-previous-result-in-calculator/ | 16:33 |
| anandrkris | no response here as well :) | 16:33 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: I remember filing a bug for that already,though :P | 16:34 |
| anandrkris | almost a year...so i see this in TJC and post it in "Store" and wish it gets noticed there :P | 16:34 |
| anandrkris | Craving for <3 and care ;) | 16:34 |
| nazanin | anandrkris: it does get noticed... maybe having a better feedback way from our side makes the 'care' more noticable :) | 16:35 |
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| anandrkris | nazanin: He he..yeah...just kidding...i know we are under safe hands :D | 16:37 |
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| nazanin | ^_^ I'll discuss this with the crew about having more visible ways of giving feedback :) | 16:38 |
| * Aard wanted to answer to anandrkris on together that I forwarded the question to one of my minions, but I guess I don't need to do that now :) | 16:38 | |
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| * nazanin rolls eyes | 16:38 | |
| * Aard pats nazanin and offers a carrot | 16:38 | |
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| nazanin | Aard: http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110619011431/mlpfanart/images/b/bb/271_-_angry_animated_Rainbow_Dash.gif | 16:39 |
| * anandrkris Anand realized that Aard is a true manager :) | 16:39 | |
| Aard | nazanin: https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2013/10/6/442801__safe_rainbow+dash_scootaloo_cute_smile_eyes+closed_adorable_mouth+hold_dashabetes_carrot.png | 16:42 |
| nazanin | Aard: I didn't know you offer me a carrot like _this_ ? | 16:42 |
| Aard | nazanin: how did you expect me to? | 16:43 |
| nazanin | Aard: I'll tell you later | 16:43 |
| Aard | #w? | 16:43 |
| nazanin | Aard: I'm not sure yet, my mind is now taking me to far places :P | 16:44 |
| anandrkris | nazanin: Aard Haven't you heard of URL shorteners? :-P or descriptive URL's deliberate :) | 16:46 |
| Aard | anandrkris: I'd delegate shortening the URL, but nazanin won't do it, and nobody else is around :p | 16:47 |
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| anandrkris | Aard: ha ha | 16:47 |
| nazanin | ^_^ | 16:48 |
| anandrkris | And now am tempted to ask someone to write URL shortener app for Jolla :) | 16:48 |
| nazanin | way to go o/ | 16:48 |
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| coderus | why short url in irc? o_O | 17:01 |
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| M4rtinK | the BlackBerry devel channel used to have a bot posting shortened links | 17:06 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: IRCingvon Jolla and typing the link to PC ? :) | 17:06 |
| Price15x | Blackberry they used be number one once upon a time. | 17:07 |
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| Price15x | If BlackBerry launches a new phone with Sailfish and a physical keyboard man. The fans would be unstoppable | 17:08 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: why not connect to irc from pc? | 17:09 |
| SK_work | Price15x: they have BB10 for this | 17:10 |
| SK_work | and a lot of people do like BB10 a lot | 17:11 |
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| SK_work | (much more than Sailfish people I guess) | 17:11 |
| Price15x | BB10 is good but lacks simplicity. Instead of everyone splitting up meego it would make so much sense to merge develop and move forward | 17:13 |
| SK_work | Price15x: well, BB10 successfully attracting most meego users IMO | 17:13 |
| SK_work | as it is stable and looks a lot like meego | 17:14 |
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| M4rtinK | but it is very very closed | 17:34 |
| M4rtinK | you can't tweak the platform at all | 17:34 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: I know | 17:34 |
| SK_work | that's why I'm on sailfishos :) | 17:34 |
| M4rtinK | and it is almost completely proprietary | 17:35 |
| M4rtinK | but it is stable and robust, that's for sure | 17:35 |
| M4rtinK | yep :) | 17:35 |
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| SK_work | they have quite nice stuff, like hub, keyboard etc. | 17:36 |
| locusf | M4rtinK: hey, could we have a chat about your qml compatibility layer you are using in modrana, at some time when its ok for you? | 17:36 |
| SK_work | locusf: about this compat layer, I wonder how M4rtinK handles corner cases (pulley menus ?, components that don't exist etc.) | 17:37 |
| locusf | SK_work: yes I was also wondering about this | 17:37 |
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| locusf | SK_work: we could use header in our compat layer | 17:37 |
| SK_work | locusf: yeah | 17:38 |
| SK_work | while on SFOS they have thepulley menu | 17:38 |
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| locusf | yeah, though our is 10x more powerful as its freeform, faenil has really done excellent work on it | 17:39 |
| faenil | lol, too kind of you ;) | 17:40 |
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| SK_work | locusf: our menu is really really nice | 17:42 |
| SK_work | thanks faenil | 17:42 |
| SK_work | but our style is bad | 17:42 |
| SK_work | :P | 17:42 |
| locusf | I mean it, it has so much potential, now that I saw qwazix's presentation | 17:42 |
| SK_work | indeed | 17:42 |
| faenil | hehe | 17:43 |
| locusf | I never really looked at it that way | 17:43 |
| faenil | SK_work, the components gallery looks reeeeally bad, so black :) | 17:43 |
| locusf | and I have always used the three dots, so that why I didn't know qbout the pulldown :) | 17:43 |
| faenil | locusf, hehe, talking about discoverability :P | 17:44 |
| r0kk3rz | so since we can now sign up for dev preview updates | 17:44 |
| r0kk3rz | is there a u11 preview available? | 17:44 |
| Mikaela | r0kk3rz: not yet, 2015-02-03 17:43:32+0200 < *highlight> <Aard:#jollamobile> Mikaela: can't make promises, the latest glibc issue screwed with our release plans a bit as it requires big rebuilds. I'm hoping that we can make the opt-in variant available next week, but don't yell at me if it does not happen | 17:44 |
| r0kk3rz | ah, cool. thanks Mikaela | 17:45 |
| Mikaela | you're welcome | 17:45 |
| Mikaela | (I asked the same question with different words earlier :)) | 17:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | i figured someone would know | 17:45 |
| * Aard appreciates that my wisdom is passed on without me having to be involved :) | 17:46 | |
| r0kk3rz | another question, are the release notes going to be posted somewhere? so we know whats changed | 17:46 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: in the future we'll post the release notes with the opt-in release, with a note that it's currently early access, which will be removed once we push it to everyone | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | oh ok, still through tjc then | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought you might post them through the mailinglist or something different, since they're opt-in | 17:48 |
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| Aard | only thing is that we won't publish full details about fixed security issues unless already known until the release is rolled out to everybody | 17:48 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah fair enough | 17:49 |
| r0kk3rz | although from a test perspective it might be nice to have a list of alleged bug/security fixes | 17:50 |
| r0kk3rz | so the community can confirm/deny the fix | 17:50 |
| Aard | yes, I agree, and I'm not yet sure how to deal with it | 17:50 |
| Aard | one option I've been thinking about was to disclose those issues to developers after signing an nda, so they can specifically test their apps for that. but needs more thinking, and time | 17:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah theres a balance that needs to be struck | 17:53 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | seems I created a very hot discussed topic on tjc, my email inbox is getting littered :D | 18:50 |
| Nc_ | linky? :) | 18:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | erm, lol we thought that was intuitive :D | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | locusf | 18:52 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC__: yes? | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Nc_, https://together.jolla.com/question/79031/support-exfat-sdxc-in-jolla-tablet/ | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | locusf, we thought pulling the 3 dots is intuitive | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | back then when we brainstormed it | 18:53 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC__: I've always just tapped it, I guess I'm not intuitive :) | 18:53 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 18:53 |
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| kimmoli | Morpog_PC__: you have been spammed | 18:59 |
| ShadowJK | hm... | 18:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | kimmoli, you just posted the solution :D | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | how are you supposed to open email attachments | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | I tapped them and it downloaded, but didn't open | 19:00 |
| kimmoli | tap again? | 19:00 |
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| ShadowJK | nothing happens | 19:00 |
| ShadowJK | "Files" seems broken now, Cargo Dock doesn't seem to open files | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | though I did find the files eventually, hidden in Gallery, seems kinda cumbersome.. | 19:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | cargo dock works fine here | 19:01 |
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| ShadowJK | it just showed file details, and an "Accept" action for me? | 19:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Now how do I unqueue an attachment download | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | or, um, "make it go' | 19:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | Morpog_PC__: surely you created the thread to troll people anyway :P | 19:09 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | well, I don't care about exFAT, I just see it as advantage for mainstream users. I don't need it :D And yes it's fun to see the TMO and TJC people fight there about it | 19:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | would be interesting to see how many down and upvotes it got | 19:12 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i think its a bit of a shame they didnt add in exfat support | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC__ | +1 | 19:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | but the proper place for voicing such was in the original thread | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, the original thread was about exfat * an alternative open source way | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | + | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not * | 19:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i mean, it sucks that microsoft require payments for a standard, but thats not jollas fault | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | exactly | 19:14 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nobody screamed about activesync | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but its the same 'topic' really, of how to provide support for big sdcards | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | does really matter now anyway, decisions been made | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, but the bias is wrong if you decide against exfat in the end | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe it might cost jolla some tablet sales, maybe not | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC__ | if it never was open for discussion | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | who will know for sure | 19:16 |
| Morpog_PC__ | true | 19:16 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | lets just hope some tech "journalists" like engadget or the verge don't troll them in their tablet reviews | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | its not really trolling though | 19:17 |
| r0kk3rz | they're comparing it with other tablets out there, and not from a RMS perspective | 19:18 |
| fennekki | RMS perspective | 19:18 |
| fennekki | I can only think of Root Mean Square and rms | 19:18 |
| r0kk3rz | Richard M Stallmann | 19:19 |
| fennekki | ah yes rms | 19:19 |
| fennekki | but | 19:19 |
| fennekki | well, I guess | 19:19 |
| fennekki | rms might not be against this tablet | 19:19 |
| fennekki | not a lot | 19:19 |
| fennekki | but certainly a significant amount | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what i mean, big tech sites will be reviewing from a 'how easy is it to use" consumer type perspective | 19:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | not from an RMS "freedom comes first" perspective | 19:20 |
| fennekki | ah, right | 19:24 |
| * attah fetches pop-corn | 19:24 | |
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| keithzg | Ehhhh RMS is more practical than people often give him credit. | 20:20 |
| keithzg | He's even said that Steam coming to Linux is probably overall a good thing, even though he then made a point of encouraging people to try out Free games instead. | 20:22 |
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| fennekki | rms is almost never explicitly *wrong* | 21:07 |
| fennekki | he's just an ideologist and it irritates people | 21:07 |
| fennekki | like, hey, he said cell phone surveillance is a thing. Turns out it totally is | 21:08 |
| fennekki | I actually agree a lot on his views, especially the ones about how software patents are bullshit that's ruining everything | 21:08 |
| spider-mario | I’m glad software patents aren’t a thing here | 21:09 |
| sqozz | good evening everyone, does someone know if the "jolla-ambient" package is under open source so that i can compile it myself? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's not | 21:12 |
| sqozz | okay, thanks Stskeeps | 21:12 |
| sqozz | unfortunately the newest browserbuild depends on a newer version of this package | 21:13 |
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| falfa | keithzg: agreed | 21:24 |
| falfa | fennekki: yes | 21:24 |
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| HtheB | yo coderus, is it possible to make all those "external settings" for the patches inside Patchmanager? | 21:59 |
| HtheB | It will keep the Settings page more clean :) (dont know if that is achievable | 22:00 |
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| keithzg | fennekki: Yeah, RMS gets flack because people think his hardline exortations are impractical, but what he's actually saying is "here, logically, is why things are bad, here's what our goal should be, and here are the steps we should take towards that goal". | 22:23 |
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