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| M4rtinK | lachs0r: well, they need something cross platform | 00:18 |
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| M4rtinK | lachs0r: and unfortunately virtual Box is about the only cross platform virtualization solution out there | 00:18 |
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| M4rtinK | there are of course superior alternatives (libvirt/KVM) but they are not cross platform | 00:19 |
| lachs0r | but libvirt supports virtualbox and any other VM software worth mentioning | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | well yeah, that would be an alternative | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | running it through libvirt | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I only have really experience with running libvirt with KVM | 00:21 |
| lachs0r | I mean, libvirt works on windows and os x these days, doesn’t it? I’m not sure | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | no idea | 00:21 |
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| coderus | anybody know how to replace skb_copy_datagram_iovec with skb_copy_datagram_iter? | 00:28 |
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| iekku | kimmoli, let's see what i can do | 06:34 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: gm. ok. | 06:38 |
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| pp_ | coderus: google switch to skb_copy_datagram_iter and you find patches ;) https://www.marc.info/?l=git-commits-head&m=141833871803951&w=2 | 07:01 |
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| Nc_ | hmm.. phone is back from Jolla Care, and seems less functional than before I sent it there. This is going in the wrong direction. | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 09:33 |
| Nc_ | typing in PIN code to enable phone does nothing now :( | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | report to care | 09:33 |
| Nc_ | yeah - first going to go over every sq.mm. of the SIM connectors for oxidation and similar | 09:34 |
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| Nc_ | Wuhu - sliding SIM card in-and-out 20 times did the trick :) - Now to get twitter to work as well | 09:39 |
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| CaptainRant | Are there replacement batteries to buy? | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | no. there were some for a very limited time | 11:05 |
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| CaptainRant | Which killer feature does jolla provide over a rooted android other than the great OS? | 11:08 |
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| CaptainRant | I must order a phone today since my real one broke | 11:09 |
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| Nicd- | other than the OS, not much. hardware wise it's pretty mediocre. there's the TOHKBD2 project though if you like physical keyboards | 11:12 |
| Mikaela | if I understood correctly, Sailfish is also (unofficially(?) available to some Android phones too. | 11:13 |
| CaptainRant | Is jollas hardware open source? | 11:13 |
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| Tegu | nope | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | there's practically no such thing has open source hardware when it comes to mobile phones. | 11:17 |
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| CaptainRant | Hopefully in 10 years, when 3D printing and etching gets cheap enough | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://blog.jolla.com/hacknplay-23-january-2014/ | 11:18 |
| ln- | jolla's hardware is open source if you consider the 3D model of the back cover to be "source". | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | the back cover is just a tiny part | 11:21 |
| ln- | yes, but since he mentioned 3D printing... | 11:22 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: 2014? | 11:29 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: I love your hacknplay posts. Have you seen this thing: https://www.thalmic.com/en/myo/ | 11:31 |
| the_mgt | It is like the hellonod on steroids | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: isn't it on there? | 11:31 |
| the_mgt | haha, it is, did scroll down enough | 11:32 |
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| the_mgt | just saw the video of the Adonit Jot, does that mean sailfishos already has bt LE? | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, not exactly | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | bt le is a bigger suite | 11:36 |
| the_mgt | ah, probably from javispredros repo | 11:36 |
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| CaptainRant | Any news on the jolla 2? | 12:15 |
| politie | was it ever announced? | 12:15 |
| CaptainRant | Afaik it is planned to hit the store by 2015 | 12:16 |
| politie | oh | 12:16 |
| ln- | i think you know more than the rest of us then | 12:16 |
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| CaptainRant | I was refering to http://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/jolla-2-being-designed-more-mwc14-sneak-peeks-info-from-tomi-pienimaki/ | 12:17 |
| CaptainRant | but the post is already a year old, so | 12:17 |
| the_mgt | https://blog.jolla.com/from-2014-to-2015/ this is more recent and it hints at a new phone, yes | 12:18 |
| CaptainRant | If its gonna hit the store this year i won't by the first jolla. | 12:18 |
| the_mgt | And, of course, we would not be a device and software company if we did not have new devices on our roadmap. | 12:19 |
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| ln- | the_mgt: it doesn't say the new device is a phone. | 12:19 |
| the_mgt | on the internet, it means "jolla to deliver new iphone killer in 2015" | 12:22 |
| cvp_ | a Jolla Phone 1 Plus version would be nice. Same designe, less brezle, more cpu/gpu, and BETTER Kamera! :P | 12:22 |
| politie | jolla modular phone | 12:22 |
| politie | pfew | 12:22 |
| the_mgt | camera must be better than iphone, and if it is not 12k ubar retina, i am not going to buy it | 12:23 |
| CaptainRant | 8k is enough | 12:23 |
| CaptainRant | its just not suited well for filming | 12:23 |
| flux | I somehow doubt Jolla is ever going to have superior hardware (compared to the competition) in any sense :/ | 12:23 |
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| flux | or alternatively the device is going to cost too much to make sales. | 12:24 |
| politie | get in touch with the chineze | 12:24 |
| cvp_ | 5k,8k,12k...1000k, dosnt matter... the quality is bad. 5-8k is enough | 12:24 |
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| flux | yeah I think the camera's issue isn't the number of pixels, it's the picture quality. | 12:24 |
| flux | so, I guess it comes down to the lense | 12:25 |
| cvp_ | the old SonyEricsson K850i do same or better photos than jolla, and it haves 3,2mp :P | 12:25 |
| CaptainRant | The camera is the only thing of the hardware that i dislike. The rest is more than enough. I don't intend to do GPU folding on my mobile. | 12:25 |
| politie | most likely comes down to the sensor behind the lens | 12:25 |
| the_mgt | camera does decent enough pictures for me, and I aimed at display resolution with 12k (instead of only 4k)... | 12:27 |
| CaptainRant | Pictures, yes. But not videos. | 12:27 |
| the_mgt | maybe, only did a few videos in daylight, they were ok | 12:27 |
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| cvp_ | yeah....ok.... but sometime i dont want a "ok" Photo/Video. Sometimes i want better quality than a "ok" :P but dont want take a second hardware to take the pictures | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | for what it's worth, this was filmed on my jolla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2y_8AgLFbs (loud audio) | 12:29 |
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| flux | and this was taken with jolla as well. it's so blue.. https://modeemi.fi/~flux/shapeoko/shapeoko2.jpg - though I think some fixes have been made since that picture was taken. | 12:32 |
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| Nicd- | here everything from the keyboard onwards were taken with my jolla: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/5951600878348798689 | 12:33 |
| flux | jolla takes ok pictures when there's light and the lense isn't smudged | 12:34 |
| flux | sadly the light portion of the equation isn't usually satisfied indoors | 12:35 |
| Mikaela | I have took two photos with Jolla of our dog. I am not sure if this link works https://www.facebook.com/mikaelahmsuomalainen/media_set?set=a.767360876692061.1073741837.100002544672061&type=1 | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | yeah, it really struggles with noise and motion blur | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | Mikaela: "content currently unavailable" | 12:36 |
| Mikaela | I will probably put them elsewhere then | 12:36 |
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| Nicd- | this one I took just now in our office, you can see the noise even though this area is lit pretty well (for indoors): http://i.imgur.com/1egE6BV.jpg | 12:37 |
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| Mikaela | https://imgur.com/UbvMY5e,8ZsIRhy | 12:38 |
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| flux | well, that's pretty bad. I have some lens repair solution though waiting for ToHKBD to solve the issue of the lense getting smudged :). | 12:43 |
| cvp_ | hmm , very bad picture... i dont know why but i read MacBook Pro on the picture, i think its the very very bad quality why i see this :P | 12:43 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | is dead jim | 12:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-( | 12:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I let jphone to charge | 12:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | dripped from 10% to dead | 12:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've got also battery with 82% of capacity | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | cvp_: you read correctly ;) | 12:57 |
| CaptainRant | do i need to be logged-in, in order to update? | 12:59 |
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| Nicd- | CaptainRant: you need to create a jolla account to update afaik | 13:03 |
| CaptainRant | Why so? | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | don't ask me | 13:04 |
| TemeV | CaptainRant: so that Jolla can tell NSA which OS version you are using :) | 13:05 |
| CaptainRant | Not that im against it, i just want to know how they decided this. | 13:05 |
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| TemeV | https://together.jolla.com/question/77783/why-do-i-need-an-account-to-access-jolla-store/ | 13:06 |
| CaptainRant | thanks | 13:06 |
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| cvp_ | Nicd-, :P | 13:20 |
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| flux | nice, it took two days for jolla to have the aloe-toh arrive :) | 15:23 |
| lainwir3d | I received my lime toh yesterday :) | 15:24 |
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| * Mikaela is waiting for her pink to come, probably early next week | 15:25 | |
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| temmi_moo | pink? | 15:27 |
| Mikaela | +toh | 15:27 |
| temmi_moo | i knew of orange | 15:28 |
| falfa | i want orange | 15:28 |
| Sail0r | pink toh is in store since a few weeks | 15:29 |
| temmi_moo | orange == bestest | 15:29 |
| Mikaela | http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-the-other-half/the-other-half-nadeshiko-pink.html | 15:29 |
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| temmi_moo | i know someone with the nick nadeshiko | 15:31 |
| temmi_moo | what does that mean? | 15:31 |
| Mikaela | I tried to google, but it didn't make any sense to me | 15:32 |
| Mikaela | and now I don't remember what google said | 15:32 |
| Mikaela | something feminine releated to China or Japan and also some TV show | 15:32 |
| temmi_moo | would kind of make sense | 15:32 |
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| TMavica | nadeshiko is Japan | 15:38 |
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| coderus | pp_: yeah, fixed vmware this way :) | 15:51 |
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| Mikaela | TMavica: but what does it mean? | 15:53 |
| lachs0r | re jolla camera: part of the problem with its poor quality is that the denoiser sucks | 15:57 |
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| lachs0r | would be better to just disable that | 15:57 |
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| TMavica | no meaning, just a name of a Japan Cartoon Character, she always wear pink dress | 15:57 |
| Mikaela | I see | 15:59 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_nadeshiko | 16:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is also referred to classical japanese beauty woman | 16:19 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, but at_mode actually works ? | 16:37 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: It should. But since I have no clue what is needed on the other end who knows. | 16:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, My goal is to simulate an usb gadget usbserial | 16:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | even better pl2303 | 16:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I'm asking too much ? | 16:40 |
| phdeswer | acm would then rather be the thing you want afaik | 16:40 |
| tbr | g_serial | 16:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is supported on msm SoCs | 16:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | = | 16:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 16:41 |
| phdeswer | tbr: in theory that should work too. | 16:41 |
| phdeswer | at is for modem commands afaik | 16:41 |
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| phdeswer | acm | 16:41 |
| tbr | dr_gogeta86: which direction are you talking about anyway and for what? | 16:41 |
| phdeswer | is some kind of serial thing. | 16:41 |
| phdeswer | Also for modems afaik. | 16:42 |
| phdeswer | tbr: afaik serial from phone to pc | 16:43 |
| RavenholmDX | that new Blackberry Passport is a weird ass phone | 16:43 |
| tbr | well, g_serial then (or a multiplex of such) | 16:43 |
| tbr | IIRC the multiplex mode is something like g_android | 16:44 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | tbr, to explain it better | 16:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i wanna | 16:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | plug the usb cable to my phone | 16:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and i wanna see it like a serial adapter | 16:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not usb host | 16:48 |
| tbr | cd /sys/module/g_android/parameters/ # and screw around with the parameters | 16:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm doing this right now | 16:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | manually and using usmoded | 16:49 |
| tbr | for proper you'd do this through usb-moded | 16:49 |
| phdeswer | tbr: usb_moded actually has pre-configured configs for that | 16:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, i've modified android_at a bit | 16:49 |
| tbr | phdeswer: I didn't remember if it had one for serial mode | 16:49 |
| phdeswer | Just not sure which setting exactly will give the desired result | 16:49 |
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| phdeswer | tbr: https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded/tree/master/config/dyn-modes | 16:50 |
| phdeswer | Each ini is for some special config | 16:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Last question | 16:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, you think is achivable ? | 16:51 |
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| phdeswer | Well if the android gadget does something like that yes | 16:51 |
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| tbr | if I'd be looking for serial mode I'd use the android_acm file though. | 16:52 |
| tbr | as that's the simple, just a serial device mode | 16:52 |
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| phdeswer | Which is what I just suggested :D | 16:52 |
| tbr | :) | 16:53 |
| tbr | surprise | 16:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | diag is the more closest example | 16:53 |
| tbr | diag enables a crapton of modes | 16:54 |
| phdeswer | yeah it is pretty much catch all | 16:54 |
| tbr | dr_gogeta86: you asked for _just_ a serial device. that's what android_acm.ini does, not diag, not at. | 16:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not works for me | 16:54 |
| tbr | you need to be _far_ more specific than "doesn't work" | 16:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not expose a serial port | 16:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | inside | 16:55 |
| phdeswer | pc or phone side? | 16:55 |
| phdeswer | dmesg (pc side) when you plug it in? | 16:56 |
| phdeswer | And well even if it has a serial on the pc, there might be the need to have something active on the phone end to communicate with. | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i can use screen | 16:57 |
| tbr | IIUC it should expose /dev/ttyGS* | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or agetty | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | if ACM | 16:57 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i think ACM0 | 16:58 |
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| phdeswer | ACM0 or ttyACM0 should show up yes. | 16:58 |
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| tbr | dr_gogeta86: no, on the device that runs g_serial (or g_android in serial mode) it is /dev/ttyGS* | 16:58 |
| phdeswer | And that probably needs a getty() tied to it | 16:58 |
| tbr | on the PC or whatever that connects to that device it will show up as /dev/ACM*, yes | 16:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sure | 16:59 |
| phdeswer | if you want a serial console | 16:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | cat /proc/tty/drivers | 16:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | no GS* bounded to char devices | 16:59 |
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| phdeswer | full output? | 17:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://pastebin.com/wQLrQuw5 | 17:01 |
| tbr | maybe that changed then. last time I played with g_serial it was /dev/ttyGS - but that was probably still on a 2.6 series OMAP3 kernel | 17:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | on omap i know for sure it works | 17:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | as seen on beaglebone | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: there are 3 android tty's there | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | usbserial /dev/ttyUSB 188 0-253 serial | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | acm /dev/ttyACM 166 0-31 serial | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | msm_serial_hsl /dev/ttyHSL 245 0-2 serial | 17:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hsl is for basebend | 17:03 |
| phdeswer | Oh no, 4 smd_tty_driver /dev/smd 251 0-36 serial | 17:03 |
| tbr | if in doubt, use the source luke | 17:04 |
| tbr | also dmesg might tell you | 17:04 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, arent used for gps stuff ? | 17:04 |
| phdeswer | nope | 17:04 |
| dr_gogeta86 | smd_tty_driver | 17:04 |
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| phdeswer | it is one of these android transports on serial, no idea what it is for though | 17:05 |
| phdeswer | I would check the first two there | 17:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phdeswer, if i say the real reason I'm doing this .... you punch me on first occasion | 17:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i wanna trick my car to think is talking to an iPod | 17:06 |
| phdeswer | Ok, does it need serial for that? | 17:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | yep | 17:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the protocol is serial | 17:06 |
| tbr | that's far more involved than that | 17:06 |
| phdeswer | Well that does not mean it exposes a serial port... | 17:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the VAG adapter for ipod | 17:07 |
| phdeswer | And serial would be too slow to pipe music data through | 17:07 |
| tbr | do you have a protocol definition? | 17:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is just a pl2303 unbranded | 17:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | plus a 3.5 jack | 17:07 |
| tbr | ah, so it's vendor specific | 17:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/apps/iap/iap-core.c | 17:07 |
| tbr | emulating a pl2303 is a whole different ballpark | 17:08 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i know pl2303 driver is used as model for common usbserial | 17:08 |
| dr_gogeta86 | worth a try btw | 17:08 |
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| tbr | dr_gogeta86: if you have a BBB, prototype it on that and make it work there. much easier. | 17:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | BBB as breadboard ? | 17:09 |
| tbr | BeagleBone Black | 17:10 |
| tbr | you mentioned it, so I guessed you have one | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I can't use it for tinkering | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is the NAGIOS display | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | better to buy anotherone | 17:10 |
| tbr | yes | 17:11 |
| tbr | it's much easier to prototype this on a much more forgiving hardware like the BBB | 17:11 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | but need to run on my phone :-D | 17:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btw for who is interestd | 17:11 |
| tbr | yes, once you have it demonstrated working on the BBB it needs to be ported | 17:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | same protocol is used also for minis and bmw | 17:12 |
| tbr | but it's a million times easier to do it on a BBB first | 17:12 |
| tbr | if you try it on the Jolla, you're in for a pile of problems that are completely unrelated and will just make your work really hard. that's something you want to avoid at the beginning. | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle - ESP8266 is also an interesting companion device for any phone. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | A $3ish wifi microcontroller, that has GPIO, can interrupt at 100khz, and do stuff over SPI GPIO during that interrupt, with ~80K of RAM - and do all the above while still talking over wifi | 17:28 |
| temmi_moo | does it have a separate core for running the network stack? | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI - no. | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | But it seems to have enough hardware units to do the low-level lifting that if you leave it enough CPU free - it manages just fine | 17:29 |
| temmi_moo | ah okay | 17:30 |
| temmi_moo | do they come with some scheduler or do you just drop your favourite embedded os in there? | 17:30 |
| temmi_moo | riot-os being a pretty cool example of a small embedded os | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It comes with enough stuff that you can't use your own OS. | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - a lot of the required functions are in ROM | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | it's basically userspace - setup a 100khz RTC interrupt if you want to do that. | 17:31 |
| temmi_moo | ah okay | 17:32 |
| temmi_moo | so do they have some scheduler? | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how the details work - but yes I assume it must - in order to function at all. | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | From the users perspective, there is an 'application' you load to do whatever you want. | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | #esp8266 also | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But it can answer 'how do I do serial/I2C/... from my phone with no IO' | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ^tablet | 17:34 |
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| Mikaela | that is interesting fake looking quit message | 17:43 |
| fennekki | I didn't see anything so it probably was a quit message | 17:43 |
| fennekki | how can a quit message look fake, though | 17:44 |
| tbr | fennekki: server vs client set | 17:44 |
| tbr | someone I know uses "Connection reset by queer" (he's gay and likes to joke) | 17:44 |
| Mikaela | when client sets the quit message, server prefixes it with "Quitt:" | 17:45 |
| Mikaela | 2015-01-23 19:42:26+0200 <-- SpeedEvil (~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) | 17:45 |
| Mikaela | the real ping timeout would be "Ping timeout 120 seconds" or something | 17:45 |
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| fennekki | Humm | 17:46 |
| fennekki | I don't actually know what the Freenode ping timeout message is | 17:46 |
| fennekki | but yes, user-initiated quits have the Quit | 17:46 |
| Mikaela | it seems to wary grepping logs from this channel. and one is "Ping timeout: 276 seconds" so that is how the real ping timeouts look like here | 17:47 |
| Mikaela | 240 seems to be around the lowest and highest around 276 | 17:48 |
| fennekki | odd | 17:49 |
| fennekki | or maybe different servers just have different timeouts | 17:50 |
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| Mikaela | If I read https://github.com/atheme/charybdis/blob/master/doc/ircd.conf.example#L113 correctly, ping timeout is 2 minutes for normal users, 5 minutes for opers and 5 minuts for server. freenode's ircd-seven is based on charybdis, but I cannot find their example config | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | ^and yes. | 17:57 |
| Mikaela | it's too visible so I couldn't find it. it's simpy eample.conf | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to find out why quassel is doing that. | 17:57 |
| Mikaela | it has the same numbers anyway https://github.com/freenode/ircd-seven/blob/master/doc/example.conf#L107 | 17:58 |
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| gogeta | tbr, | 19:25 |
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| gogeta | my car support also mtp | 19:25 |
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| gogeta | but doesn't work | 20:07 |
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| gogeta | for phdeswer http://pastebin.com/5VEXAfHG | 20:13 |
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| phdeswer | :( | 20:18 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: Will need to read the source to find what has failed there | 20:18 |
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