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| artemma | People tell that at least one of my apps (Night Silence) doesn't work on latest OS and I am not into finding time for fixing it :/ | 13:54 |
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| artemma | Would be good if i could mark in Harbour which OS version the app is for | 13:54 |
| artemma | or maybe it could be even auto-suggested based on some testing and/or user complains? | 13:54 |
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| kimmoli | artemma: harbour has now such system, for marking supported os versions | 14:10 |
| artemma | oh, that's cool! lemme try.. | 14:10 |
| artemma | hmm, can't see how to edit it.. | 14:11 |
| artemma | or maybe it's for new submissions only | 14:11 |
| artemma | though how would a new submission know that it's incompatible with the future OS version? | 14:12 |
| kimmoli | afaik it shows the selection when you update binary | 14:12 |
| artemma | hmm, if I upload app now (update 10 times), how would I know if it can run of the future update 11? | 14:13 |
| artemma | on* the future update 11? | 14:13 |
| Peper | well it surely will only show compatible w/ u10 and you have to change it manually | 14:15 |
| Peper | At least that's what I'm thinking | 14:15 |
| kimmoli | you can choose compatibility with u11 already, or leave from/to unselected to allow all version | 14:17 |
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| artemma | how could I possibly know if it's compatible with the future or not? | 14:21 |
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| kimmoli | just make your educated guess ? | 14:22 |
| kimmoli | or; just allow it. if it doesn't work when update comes out, limit the version, make a fix, and allow version again ? | 14:24 |
| kimmoli | afaik, this doesn't have affect on already installed apps, only new installs (affects app visibility in store) | 14:25 |
| kimmoli | (if my afaik is wrong, someone correct me ... ) | 14:26 |
| * artemma thinks it would be more useful to edit such metadata for existing apps. You know, when I notice it doesn't work for update 11, I disable it for update 11 | 14:33 | |
| artemma | or possibly even app store moderator could notice it and disable (that's how Apple is doing) | 14:33 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: that's not a good idea, like any Apple appstore related thing :) | 15:03 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: why? | 15:05 |
| artemma | I mean you don't hate good ideas just because they come from Apple, right? | 15:05 |
| M4rtinK | last thing we need is some third party without real knowledge disabling apps left and right | 15:06 |
| M4rtinK | also, does not Jolla limit the Harbor dependencies so much as no nearly make Harbor apps useless to prevent stuff like this happening ? | 15:07 |
| M4rtinK | *from happening | 15:07 |
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| M4rtinK | so your issue it can't happen and we don't need to worry about this :) | 15:07 |
| artemma | oh, interesting point of view | 15:07 |
| * artemma would actually love to have somebody else clean out apps I cannot use | 15:08 | |
| artemma | dependency tracking is first step only (useful though) | 15:08 |
| M4rtinK | well I would be ok if the maintainer/author is contacted first about it | 15:08 |
| artemma | e.g. gconf lib might still "work", but keys changed so app doesn't do what it promises anymore (I guess that's what happened to Night Silence in update 10) | 15:09 |
| M4rtinK | and there is enough time before the notification and app being removed | 15:09 |
| M4rtinK | that's how it works in Linux distros and I'm fine with it | 15:09 |
| M4rtinK | what I don't want is some moderator removing apps at random without consulting the authors and giving them time to react | 15:10 |
| artemma | sounds good to me | 15:10 |
| * artemma anyway doesn't expect jolla moderators to have much time for testing | 15:11 | |
| artemma | most important would be for app submitter to be able to change compatible versions list after app is in-store already | 15:11 |
| artemma | and maybe to have different build for different OS versions | 15:11 |
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| artemma | if Harbour can help with automated hints (e.g. "Users seem to think your app doesn't work in update 11") that'd be useful, though secondary | 15:12 |
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| TheRandomDude | How dust/waterproof is the jolla, and how robust is it? My previous device was suitable for breaking walls, but now it died. | 15:57 |
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| ortylp | TheRandomDude: my devices need to survive multiple flights on to concrete surfaces from about 1.2m hight. The cover and edges are already ruined, but the screen has no scratches and the device works | 15:59 |
| Trezker | Mine has dropped twice, only from chair height but still... not a mark on it. | 16:01 |
| TemeV | it has detachable back cover so it isn't very waterproof | 16:01 |
| Trezker | damn clothesmakers can't make pockets that can keep stuff inside | 16:01 |
| TemeV | but my Jolla got pretty damn wet once, and it seems it didn't bother | 16:02 |
| TemeV | I'd say Jolla is quite mediocre on robustness. Nothing special but not bad | 16:05 |
| japa-fi | I've been trying to figure out the xmpp support on jolla. I came to conlusion that without creating account and addinng contacts on some other device you are out of luck. Ie with jolla you can't start from scratch and add new xmpp contact or send messages to previously unknown xmpp contacts. Am I correct? | 16:06 |
| ninnnu | Trezker: Damn smartphone-owners who want unfashionable and ugly large pockets. ;P | 16:07 |
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| cryorat | TheRandomDude, so you need a Mjölnir TOH | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | WhatsApp is locking out users for 24 hours who use WhatsApp Plus to access the service. The company claims they brought in the temporary ban to make users aware that they are not using the correct version and their privacy could be comprised using the unofficial WhatsApp Plus. "Starting today, we are taking aggressive action against unauthorized apps and alerting the people who use them." | 17:17 |
| Nicd- | wish there was a tox client already :/ | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | of all the excuses.. | 17:18 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: this is the one companies always pick | 17:24 |
| mornfall | even DRM exists to protect you, in case you didn't know | 17:24 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: btw. is that a copy-paste? because it should read compromised not comprised | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | it is | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | slashdot | 17:26 |
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| Nc_ | Stskeeps, thinking we need to pummel WhatsApp with requests for an official Sailfish release ... (not that I use WhatsApp, but, hey) | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | wrong tree to bark up against | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:29 |
| * Nc_ just likes barking | 17:30 | |
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| Nc_ | On a completely unrelated note - have anyone looked at IFTTT support for Jolla? | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't it a closed app? | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | i like the concept though | 17:32 |
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| NC__ | Stskeeps, was that in reply to my question, or...? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:35 |
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| NC__ | not sure what you mean "closed app" - they don't appear to have a public API, instead leaning on the APIs of those they interface to | 17:36 |
| NC__ | but since they have Android+iPhone, I'm thinking they must have some kind of API | 17:36 |
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| * NC__ shrugs - mostly a brainfart/curiousity, since I don't have the skills to write it myself :) | 17:39 | |
| Mikaela | "closed app" = not FOSS (free open source software) | 17:40 |
| Mikaela | or at least I guess that is what is being meant | 17:40 |
| Mikaela | s/guess/think/ | 17:40 |
| NC__ | :) | 17:40 |
| NC__ | since it would mostly just be used as a service, not too bothered | 17:40 |
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| Mikaela | I am missing Pushover more, but since I broke my znc a little it's not so important | 17:43 |
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| mornfall | things like ifttt are mostly glue | 17:44 |
| mornfall | for each service you can query it needs a bit of code to make that possible, which is specific to that service | 17:45 |
| mornfall | in this case it probably also comes with a natural-alike query language (remember sql) :P | 17:46 |
| NC__ | glue is good | 17:47 |
| mornfall | but could be javascript or python or anything, in principle | 17:47 |
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| mornfall | NC__: glue is bad, because it regularly unsticks :P | 17:47 |
| mornfall | (every time the upstream service changes their interfaces) | 17:47 |
| NC__ | Glue is good - interface changes bad :p | 17:47 |
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