| pdanek | isn't it just LED? why is it so hot? | 00:00 |
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| keithzg | (You'd think UPS's would solve it, but then the UPS's fry...) | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | and then update all the machines and tell them to switch to the update | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | while (at least) the previous update "commit" is still available | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | it is kinda like git actually :) | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | you just checkout the commit you are interested in and reboot :) | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: maybe some voltage convertors overheating ? | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: or just the high power led itself ? bigger led lights use to have cooling fins... | 00:02 |
| keithzg | M4rtinK: Ah, so it's not merely atomic updates, it's also versioned/snapshotted updates. | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | keithzg: yep, you can update but also go back | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | suppose you find an issue during rollback to production -> just switch back to the known good configuration | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | I think there might be my half serious suggestion somewhere on together to use this mechanism for Jolla updates :) | 00:04 |
| HtheB_afk | quick question: does the Other half works on another phone or only on the first connected device? | 00:04 |
| HtheB_afk | (I remember some stuff about "the first OH" thats why I ask this) | 00:04 |
| HtheB_afk | the OH covers | 00:06 |
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| politie | hey how long do you guys go with the battery on the jolla phone? more than 15 hours on normal useage? | 09:28 |
| theriel | hullos! my gf has a jolla and was asking me for some help in fixing her google syncing issues, thought i might have some success here since together.jolla.com is giving quite a few conflicting results. The comments suggest that the functionality isn't there yet for upwards syncing, but Martijn said it was fixed in a software update? | 09:28 |
| theriel | wanted to see what the current situation is with that | 09:28 |
| urs | politie: I only charge it every second day, and then it's normally at around 30% | 09:28 |
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| urs | politie: put of course it depends on what "normal useage" is for you. :) | 09:29 |
| politie | oh thats pretty nice | 09:29 |
| the_mgt | politie: up to 3-4 days with a few shorter phonecalls and medium email usage and occassional browsing. wifi, gps, and bluetooth always on | 09:30 |
| politie | ah normal useage is just some whatsapp and ocasionally some gaming | 09:30 |
| the_mgt | gaming drains the battery faster, depending on the game | 09:31 |
| j-doge | politie: on my primary jolla I have to charge it daily, since I drain 70-80% of its battery even though I don't use it for work, on my secondary "hang-around" phone I need to charge it every 3-4 days if I don't use it for work stuff | 09:31 |
| politie | save to say nightly charge is enough | 09:31 |
| politie | ? | 09:31 |
| the_mgt | yep | 09:31 |
| j-doge | so I guess you could gather from here that it varies wildly :P | 09:32 |
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| politie | yea | 09:32 |
| politie | though all over 1 day | 09:32 |
| politie | wake hours atleast | 09:32 |
| the_mgt | you might need to charge more than once a day if you power game and browse the web for some hours, i guess. or watch a movie, whatever | 09:33 |
| politie | yea | 09:33 |
| the_mgt | my ipad lasts about a week when I use it, it lasts an afternoon when my son uses it... | 09:33 |
| politie | but gaming is only like 5-10 minutes | 09:33 |
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| politie | thanks for the info guys | 09:35 |
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| theriel | any ideas about syncing? Anyone have a working google calendar? :D | 09:37 |
| theriel | happy to hear workarounds or suggestions on that | 09:37 |
| tadzik | I do | 09:37 |
| theriel | tadzik: does it work also if you add an event on the jolla? | 09:37 |
| tadzik | it Just Works for me | 09:37 |
| tadzik | theriel: not sure, I never do that | 09:37 |
| tadzik | can check | 09:37 |
| theriel | oh, yeah, can you test? | 09:37 |
| theriel | that's the issue we're having | 09:37 |
| tadzik | yeah, just worked | 09:38 |
| tadzik | chose the google account instead of Calendar: Personal and it just showed up on calendar.google.com | 09:39 |
| tadzik | deleted it there and it disappeared from the phone too | 09:39 |
| theriel | crap, just tested again to make sure she wasn't doing a personal event instead of google.. but nope, made an event "test" and it doesn't show up on google, only here. | 09:44 |
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| theriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/23754/google-calendar-synchronization/ having the same issue as the very last comment | 09:45 |
| theriel | so now the question is why is it working for you but not me? what are you doing differently? :D | 09:46 |
| the_mgt | tried removing and readding the account? | 09:47 |
| theriel | yeah a bunch of times | 09:47 |
| theriel | had some syncing issues earlier also with downloading, that got fixed with removing and readding | 09:47 |
| the_mgt | I'd try a different google account on the same phone... I do not use any google accounts, though | 09:48 |
| theriel | a friend of mine mentioned there are some jolla developers here? | 09:50 |
| theriel | i'm figuring that they could at least clear things up as to what the current state is with caldev support | 09:51 |
| theriel | if it's a matter of "have patience, it'll be fixed soon" I can do that :) but I also worked as a software tester for some years a while back so I might be able to help out if they need some more detailed info as to why it's not working. | 09:51 |
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| j-doge | theriel: have you tried adding the google account as a General CaldAV/CardDAV account? I know adding extra accounts to the phone is a pain, but at least it gives more control over the calendars of the account (and apparently also has stuff like "Finnish holidays" for me) | 09:59 |
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| the_mgt | theriel: http://dpaste.com/32JK7A3 that's some hint I was given for debugging an email issue, I have no clue wether the logs cover caldav, too | 10:00 |
| the_mgt | but you might try anywway. remember disabling them again, they are quite verbose | 10:00 |
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| HtheB | does the Other half covers of Jolla works on another phone or only on the first connected phone? | 10:40 |
| HtheB | I remember some stuff about "the first OH" thats why I ask this | 10:40 |
| j-doge | HtheB: they work on all phones, there was a time when the ambiences were tied to phones but that's not the case anymore | 10:42 |
| HtheB | thanks j-doge | 10:43 |
| HtheB | just received the VIP box | 10:43 |
| HtheB | it's not mine :p but I wanted to try out the new other halfs xD | 10:44 |
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| Yaniel | they at least were tied to jolla accounts | 10:51 |
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| Yaniel | not sure if any more since people complained about it a l8t | 10:52 |
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| cybette | HtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/8153/answered-bug-unable-to-download-ambience-2nd-hand/?answer=47633#post-id-47633 | 10:55 |
| TMavica | LOL. my post | 10:57 |
| HtheB | cybette: I think I missed that before, I only remembered the commotion :p | 10:57 |
| cybette | TMavica: :) | 10:58 |
| HtheB | I wish I could keep the lime OH :p | 10:59 |
| HtheB | cybette | 11:00 |
| flux | so, I didn't get the aloe-ToH on the campaign last year though the code was used. is care@jolla the right place to contact? | 11:00 |
| HtheB | flux: yes, I didn't get mine aswell, but they still sent it later on after contacting them | 11:00 |
| flux | htheb, ok, thanks | 11:00 |
| cybette | flux: yes - https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new | 11:00 |
| cybette | HtheB: buy a lime one for yourself? :) | 11:01 |
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| lainwir3d | I hope I'll receive mine soon <3 | 11:03 |
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| HtheB | cybette: i can haz money? | 11:06 |
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| TMavica | still waiting the 2 new toh | 11:10 |
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| HtheB | TMavica: will you use the gay pink colour? :p | 11:13 |
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| HtheB | cybette | 11:33 |
| HtheB | Any idea why the Other Half ringtones doesn't appear in the ringtone list? | 11:33 |
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| HtheB | aaaand we have bad news -_- | 11:40 |
| HtheB | the pink OH doesn't work | 11:40 |
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| juiceme | HtheB, how so ? | 11:44 |
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| HtheB | says Other half doesn't work | 11:45 |
| HtheB | i just read the following on the FAQ of jolla.com | 11:45 |
| HtheB | In some cases The Other Half isn't recognized by the Jolla Store, and Jolla must configure it to get it working. Please submit a ticket to Jolla Service and Support. | 11:45 |
| HtheB | -_- | 11:45 |
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| dirkvl | HtheB: the NFC id is not linked i guess | 11:50 |
| dirkvl | you should be able to scan that somehow | 11:50 |
| dirkvl | if you submit that id to jolla support it should be easy job for them | 11:51 |
| HtheB | dirkvl: yeah I just did | 11:51 |
| dirkvl | a ok | 11:51 |
| HtheB | not that I will use the pink cover though :p | 11:51 |
| dirkvl | not that confident with your manliness? | 11:52 |
| HtheB | but it's nice to have some more official Jolla ringtones and ambiances | 11:52 |
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| HtheB | oh I'm confident, but pink isn't my color you see .... :D | 11:52 |
| HtheB | I rather have black :p | 11:53 |
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| HtheB | dafuq? | 11:59 |
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| Mikaela | I would like pink, but the place I bought my Jolla didn't have pink so I got red | 12:00 |
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| HtheB | Mikaela: pink is just released | 12:01 |
| Mikaela | I know, but I got my jolla two days ago | 12:01 |
| HtheB | ah | 12:01 |
| Mikaela | maybe I will get one later | 12:01 |
| HtheB | :D | 12:01 |
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| HtheB | does someone know where the ambiance ringtones are stored? | 12:02 |
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| HtheB | and also where the official Jolla tune is located at | 12:02 |
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| Mikaela | Insmat protection cover seems to be ran out of their storage | 12:03 |
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| Mikaela | and no reserving option visible | 12:04 |
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| HtheB | Mikaela: im looking for one as well :( | 12:06 |
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| Mikaela | HtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/65796/shoppre-order-possibility-as-alternative-of-other-half-and-accesoires-out-of-stock/ | 12:07 |
| Mikaela | the support page had link to together.jolla.com and I wrote something there and it said that | 12:08 |
| * Mikaela votes | 12:08 | |
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| HtheB | does someone know where the ambiance ringtones are stored? and also where the official Jolla tune is located at? | 12:12 |
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| tbr | Mikaela: thanks for your message, we'll be looking into that. | 12:15 |
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| TMavica | anyone already receive yellow and pink toh? | 13:17 |
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| cybette | HtheB: TOH ringtones are for those who have paid for / access to TOHs, so and goes with the ambience. so it doesn't show up when you are assigning ringtones to another ambience (is that what you're asking?) | 13:45 |
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| faenil | cybette, shouldn't you have free control over the ringtones of the other half you've bought? | 13:46 |
| dirkvl | faenil: small letters of your purchase agreement | 13:47 |
| dirkvl | DRM | 13:47 |
| dirkvl | or something similar | 13:47 |
| faenil | ok, so you can only use those ringtones if you have *that* other half on | 13:47 |
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| cybette | yes, thanks dirkvl :) | 13:48 |
| faenil | srsly :/ | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | why doesn't gallery allow editing other than jpg files? | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | seems like a silly limitation to me | 13:48 |
| coderus | faenil: why you even asking it? just do something to show all ringtones. you know. :D | 13:49 |
| faenil | coderus, haha :) I'm thinking about the avg user | 13:50 |
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| coderus | but yeah, even if all ringtones will be visible it can't violate DRM | 13:51 |
| cybette | Mikaela: we do keep a list of people looking for insmat/lastu cases to inform when the products are back in stock (no guarantees if and when). if you want you can dm me your email address and i'll add you | 13:55 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: ping | 14:14 |
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| sledges | sebsebseb: pong | 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: did you just email me? | 14:15 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: yes | 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: I remember chattng about the LUG yeah | 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't remember giving you my email address? | 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I may have though | 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: and that's fine to email :) | 14:16 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: the internetz is the power ;) you vanished from IRC 2 days ago, and the meetup day is nearing in, so i took measures ;) | 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | I just don't rmeember giivng the address out | 14:16 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: lug mailing list | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok :) | 14:17 |
| sledges | i've subscribed | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | you looked at the archeive or something? | 14:17 |
| sledges | yes | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think I emailed it that recenty either | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: and yes it's on this Saturday :) | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | I'll send out | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | a email about it soon in fact to the list | 14:17 |
| sledges | oh good timing then :) | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | saying we are going to have a suprise guest in it or something :d | 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | as in you | 14:18 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: turn up for like 2pm or 2:30pm | 14:18 |
| sledges | and BrainDamaged :D | 14:18 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: oops ^ | 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: is coming to? | 14:18 |
| sledges | he hasn't confirmed yet, but last availability was yes | 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: bus is a bit of a pain fr me | 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | so I get there for like 2:30pm or maybe even 3pm usually now u | 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | h | 14:19 |
| sledges | no worries, we'll mingle | 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I woudn't suggest anyone new turns up until 2pm by the earliest anyway since when people are likely to be there | 14:19 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: yep 2pm is a good time to turn up there | 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | should have other people there then | 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | and people leae about 4pm/5pm maybe even about 6pm if loads of good stuff is going on | 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: bring loads of JOlla stuff etc :) | 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | and anything else Linux geeks may find interseting :) | 14:20 |
| sledges | heh, an OpenMoko:))) | 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | if you got free stuff to give away you can do that yep, if you got stuff to just show, yep do that | 14:21 |
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| DrainBamaged | You called my name? | 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: sledges did | 14:21 |
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| DrainBamaged | Troublemaker that he is! | 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: lowever level at the back when entering the pub, on the left by the plugs, or near there if not | 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but will say in email to :) | 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: are you coming to the Bristol LUG this Saturday? :) | 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly you may be according to sledges | 14:23 |
| DrainBamaged | What's LUG? | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | Linux User Group | 14:23 |
| DrainBamaged | Linux User Group? | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | yes | 14:23 |
| DrainBamaged | Aha, good guess | 14:23 |
| DrainBamaged | Am I allowed, I use Windows on my PC | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | yep of course | 14:23 |
| DrainBamaged | Where and time? | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: and if you got Jolla stuff bring that along to show and give away maybe if some | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | JOlla is LInux :) | 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: oh your not on the LUG list? | 14:24 |
| DrainBamaged | I have a Jolla and some TOHs en route to me | 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | where about's in Bristol are you? | 14:24 |
| DrainBamaged | Knowle | 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | so it's the watherspoons pub | 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | in temple quay | 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | near Temple Meads train station | 14:24 |
| DrainBamaged | Oh, by the funny bridge thing? | 14:24 |
| DrainBamaged | I can walk there :D | 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | in an office block | 14:25 |
| sledges | Knight's Templar | 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | offcie blocks, where well yes there's a pub to | 14:25 |
| DrainBamaged | Yes, there was a Gromit there | 14:25 |
| Scelt | DrainBamaged: but can you walk back? that's another thing... | 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | Scelt: DrainBamaged ok two suprise guests that's good :) | 14:25 |
| DrainBamaged | Stumble ;) | 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | whoops for sledges | 14:25 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: DrainBamaged turn up at 2pm by earliest | 14:25 |
| DrainBamaged | All right, that's easy | 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | people start turning up around then | 14:26 |
| DrainBamaged | Okai :D | 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: oh you live near that pub? I see | 14:26 |
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| DrainBamaged | Yes, near enough | 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | bring JOlla stuff along, and well any tech stuff really, that Linux geeks may find intersitng, that should do it :) | 14:26 |
| DrainBamaged | Twenty minute walk tops | 14:26 |
| DrainBamaged | Shall I bring a massive Cisco router too? :P | 14:27 |
| * sebsebseb right has more of a rason to sort out his Jolla phone properly before then | 14:27 | |
| * DrainBamaged chuckles | 14:27 | |
| sebsebseb | or at least as a wirelss device | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | getting my giffgafff sim cards soon | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye EE | 14:27 |
| DrainBamaged | I've just moved to EE for the 4G in Bristol | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | I am moving to giffgaff since a girl :d | 14:27 |
| DrainBamaged | And because O2 were trying my patience | 14:27 |
| sledges | we'll sort your phone out in situ :)) | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but also since it's cheaper | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | and seems ok for what I will get | 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | in what's that situ ? | 14:28 |
| DrainBamaged | Sort it out? | 14:28 |
| sledges | on site | 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | nah I should be all upgraded by then anyway | 14:28 |
| DrainBamaged | Gawd.. I'm upgrading a PC in work with a GFX card (Win 8.1) and it says 'Installing update 3 of 1' | 14:28 |
| sledges | friend uses three.co.uk for 4G, no complaints, better then broadband :D | 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | just going to do another factory restore for fun using the OS :d not the reovery thing this time | 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | then start prepraing it properly | 14:28 |
| sledges | spins tens of gigs every month on his PC, all tethered through his phone | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really need 4G | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | at home I have wireless | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | and when out and about, I don't really use Internet much anyway or at all really so | 14:29 |
| DrainBamaged | I don't 'need' 4G either, but I like to keep current | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | seems Giffgaff/O2 have no 4G coverage in this area though | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but EE yes | 14:29 |
| DrainBamaged | Where are you to? | 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | near Bristol | 14:30 |
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| DrainBamaged | That's lots of places :P | 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: are you coming to FOSDEM? | 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | or is that just sledges and me etc | 14:30 |
| DrainBamaged | What is FOSDEM? | 14:30 |
| sledges | will be hard to decypher that one ;) | 14:30 |
| sledges | but try :)) | 14:31 |
| DrainBamaged | For old savages do 'ee make | 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: heh he yeah good point :d | 14:31 |
| * DrainBamaged just made that up | 14:31 | |
| sebsebseb | sledges: I was just going to type it, but guesing came can be fun :D DrainBamaged take a guess, it's ok if your wrong or only get partly :) | 14:31 |
| leinir | Free Open Source Developers' European Meeting - big annual conference in Belgium :) | 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh leinir ruined it nevermind :D | 14:31 |
| leinir | sorry ;) | 14:31 |
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| DrainBamaged | A sorry with a wink isn't meant at all | 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | leinir: np | 14:31 |
| sledges | hope no hungarians here, as fosdem means something nasty there | 14:32 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:32 |
| leinir | DrainBamaged: so, sorry not sorry ;) | 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: Thursday should be meeting someone from Bristol to in Brussels :) | 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: well not sure if it's going to actsaully hapepn yet but should be | 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | with lke two other people to | 14:32 |
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| sebsebseb | go for a meal smoe where in evening :) | 14:32 |
| DrainBamaged | leinir: Yup | 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: ,bbut Friday weren't we going to meet up again? | 14:32 |
| DrainBamaged | Nur, I won't be going to Belgium, saving my pennies to move | 14:32 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: we are arriving friday night | 14:33 |
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| sebsebseb | who is we? | 14:33 |
| sledges | uk sailors | 14:33 |
| * sebsebseb is a bit short on money at the moment, but will be ok, since someone actaully owes me quite a bit at the moment, and I can get my money back :) | 14:33 | |
| sledges | then its the beer event, and sailfish community lunch is saturday - have you seen that planning on tjc? | 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh a lunch on Saturday? | 14:34 |
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| sledges | dinner | 14:34 |
| sledges | sorry | 14:34 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:34 |
| DrainBamaged | See you Saturday fellas, I better get back to looking like I'm earning my living ;) | 14:34 |
| DrainBamaged | Thanks for the invitation, look forward to it | 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: yeah Magiea dinner or JOlla dinner I guess this year :) | 14:34 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: same here!! | 14:34 |
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| sebsebseb | DrainBamaged: yep so turn up at 2pm by earliest and | 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah | 14:34 |
| sledges | sebsebseb: there will be community round table before dinner | 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Mageia has it's AGM on Saturday to some time | 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | last year didn't even end up going to it though, since they lost time at stand, and no one came back to say it was on etc | 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | so some of us missed it as a result | 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | I guess solved the who would help out still at the stand if anyone issue though :d | 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: is DrainBamaged jolla stuff to? | 14:39 |
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| * sebsebseb thinks how he can get ome excitemtn going maybbe on LUG list, since suprise gust/s :) | 14:39 | |
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| Mikaela | ok, case and pink toh ordered | 14:46 |
| Mikaela | both have free shipping :) | 14:46 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: no need to email back saying your coing | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: about to send the email | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | that's more to see out of other people who is coming :d | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | or may be | 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | only some actsaully reply back saying they are coming | 14:52 |
| sledges | ok | 14:53 |
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| sledges | thanks for invitation! | 14:54 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: yes your welcome :) | 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: it's informal you can waer geek cothes :d | 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | if you want | 14:56 |
| sledges | lol sure | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | :D | 14:57 |
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| sledges | im working from home, how more informal can this get? i'll just remember to put the pants on;)) | 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | 14:58 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: yep email sent, now I wait for replies :d | 15:13 |
| sledges | email received:) | 15:13 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: right you better turn up to it now I guess, heh heh | 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | :D | 15:18 |
| sledges | im all set ;p | 15:19 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: willl get like 10 at most | 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: maybe a few more with the mention of a suprise guest :d | 15:22 |
| sledges | no pb | 15:22 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: heh at one stage I was thinking about emailng hte LUG about Jolla | 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I didn't do that I kept it hush | 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | I guess some from it already know about Jola | 15:26 |
| sledges | you're the boss;) | 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess I wantd to be like, hey look I got this interesting device... | 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | I am the boss? | 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: nice Jolla meeting | 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | that's going to be good :) | 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | what you mean I am the boss? | 15:27 |
| sledges | it's a figure speech | 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah | 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | a saying | 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I am not superir though :d | 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | far from it | 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | no was looking up the saying agian nevermind | 15:29 |
| sledges | thanks again for organising, will be a good saturday | 15:30 |
| * sebsebseb waits for his Jolla tablet :d, oh May is coming up now :d | 15:30 | |
| sebsebseb | well no one really organise as such, the date's are set, but yeah I know what you mean :) | 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | and whoever bothers sends out the email I just did, seems it's me mostly now though | 15:31 |
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| sebsebseb | and yeah no problem, should be a god intereting one :) | 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | good above typo | 15:32 |
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| sebsebseb | sledges: so FOSDEM | 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | when were you coming on FRiday | 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | in the afternoon? | 15:34 |
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| sledges | after 4pm | 15:36 |
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| sebsebseb | yeah I guss we'l meet up again then or possibbly | 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | not sure quite what I am doing n FRiday night | 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | there's the beer event yes, but there's also toher things going on depending on what group et | 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | c | 15:37 |
| sledges | we'll be in delirium all night;) | 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: you? | 15:39 |
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| sebsebseb | yes I think I am going to be at beer event | 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | hmm I don't remember how to walk it and back from my hotel though, did that with someone last year, so I know it can be done | 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | yes staying in one a bit outside the centre | 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | a cheap one | 15:40 |
| sledges | jolla has offline maps ;) | 15:40 |
| sledges | just need to preload them | 15:41 |
| sledges | by browsing brussels | 15:41 |
| * sebsebseb sucks at map reading | 15:41 | |
| sebsebseb | sledges: I guess no excues I have to have my phone sorted out properly enough and upgraded by Saturday, heh heh, or you'll killl me on the spot heh heh | 15:41 |
| sledges | wat's de problem? | 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | and then some of the guys where who told me to upgrade will be thinking like after hearing the story well we told him to upgrade to latest! | 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | sledges: no nothing I just haven't yet | 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | I did a factory restore before | 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got new giffgaff sim to try son and bring number over to. yay I can soon start using it as a real phone :) | 15:43 |
| sebsebseb | as for the problem, already done that, currupted the shipped install, hence the restore thing | 15:43 |
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| HtheB | dirkvl_: ben je daar? | 15:54 |
| dirkvl_ | ja | 15:57 |
| dirkvl_ | *yes i am here | 15:57 |
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| HtheB | pm | 15:58 |
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| HtheB | anyone else has an idea? | 16:46 |
| HtheB | TMavica: yeah, the VIP box arrived :p | 16:47 |
| HtheB | does someone know where the ambiance ringtones are stored? and also where the official Jolla tune is located at? still hunting for those cached files.... | 16:48 |
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| TMavica | good | 16:55 |
| TMavica | usr/share/ambience ? | 16:56 |
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| * HtheB checks | 17:01 | |
| HtheB | TMavica: thanks! The MP3 files are indeed located over there | 17:02 |
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| TMavica | u got both toh? | 17:02 |
| HtheB | yeah | 17:02 |
| HtheB | but pink was "broken" | 17:03 |
| HtheB | doesn't work at the moment | 17:03 |
| HtheB | made a ticket, but they ahven't replied yet | 17:03 |
| temmi_moo | pink is the new black? | 17:03 |
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| HtheB | temmi_moo: i wont use it though... :p | 17:03 |
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| locusf | I hope my edit went through | 17:22 |
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| Sail0r | https://plus.google.com/u/0/+MounibAlRifai/posts/99mmV7RA7ne | 17:24 |
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| HtheB | ? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | if you call things *whatsapp* you are just asking for trouble | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | trademark law 101 | 17:30 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: That's why we have Whatsup :p | 17:37 |
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| sledges | just find a reason to cleanse: they started with mitakuuluu, now whatsapp+, facebook pulling plug on xmpp, ... | 17:45 |
| Sail0r | lol | 17:45 |
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| Sail0r | they speak about approved third parties all the time | 17:45 |
| Sail0r | I think there is no approved third party until now? | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | NSA | 17:46 |
| fennekki | ha | 17:47 |
| Sail0r | it's not third party it's integrated ;) | 17:47 |
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| temmi_moo | whatsthat chat | 17:51 |
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| * tbr is with Stskeeps on that one, don't infringe on trademarks, that just makes it easy for the other side to off you | 17:52 | |
| temmi_moo | yup | 17:52 |
| temmi_moo | that kind of applies even in open source | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | it always applies | 17:53 |
| tbr | mitakuulu did it right, no mentions of the thing beyond some minimal "let's you talk to whatsapp™ people" | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:53 |
| tbr | that died for other reasons | 17:53 |
| sledges | not talking about the reasons | 17:54 |
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| Yaniel | anyway, avg joe don't care, avg joe now mad | 17:54 |
| temmi_moo | i'm quite unsure about my just-like-star-trek as a temporary name | 17:55 |
| temmi_moo | i'm hoping it is taken as homage | 17:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | well for whatsapp its a QC and security issue | 18:01 |
| r0kk3rz | since they work on a whole trusted client model of security | 18:01 |
| temmi_moo | aww security | 18:02 |
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| temmi_moo | i'd need to form an opinion soon on how an icn network could provie secure X and should it provide what secure exactly and if, why, if not, why | 18:03 |
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| tbr | if you trust the client software, you're screwed | 18:04 |
| temmi_moo | indeed | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | agreed, its a bad method of security | 18:04 |
| temmi_moo | someone will replace it with their own | 18:04 |
| rigo | yes, that's why the apps should run in a sandbox that the user can control, e.g. switch off all internet for the app on demand | 18:05 |
| temmi_moo | it might be the user or it might be a polish hacker replacing the software of some other users phone | 18:05 |
| fennekki | tbr: there are actually some methods of dealing certain matters securely without trusting *any* party, designed for peer-to-peer solutions but IIRC they require the majority to have the same idea of what's right | 18:05 |
| coderus | sledges: not exactly | 18:05 |
| coderus | it's very long war | 18:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | well it would be an easier war if there was a suitable alternative that i can push people towards | 18:06 |
| coderus | first was OpenWhatsapp. read: http://openwhatsapp.org/blog/2013/03/24/dear-blackberry/ | 18:06 |
| coderus | Then was first mass DMCA github takedown: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014-02-12-WhatsApp.md | 18:07 |
| Yaniel | fennekki: well that is pretty much what tox is about | 18:07 |
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| Yaniel | not trusting anyone | 18:07 |
| sledges | yes, remember all those | 18:07 |
| sledges | username:phone_number password:imei - will never forget this whatsapp "security" auth | 18:08 |
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| coderus | Whatsapp are smart guys. They using whatsapp logo binary data in registratin request generation algorytm | 18:08 |
| sledges | there were webpages where you could snatch friend's incoming messages if you knew their imei | 18:08 |
| coderus | because of that many projects was removed. whatsapp logo - trademark | 18:09 |
| coderus | sledges: yeah :D | 18:09 |
| sledges | or in iphone case - MAC iirc | 18:09 |
| coderus | right | 18:09 |
| coderus | now all projects using base64 or hexify whatsapp logo :D | 18:10 |
| fennekki | Yaniel: I suppose. Also, you could think of the bitcoin network as an example, too, as long as no single party has over 50% of the processing power behind it (and one pool almost has, so that's kind of a moot point) | 18:10 |
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| coderus | whatsapp is ok about that for now... | 18:10 |
| fennekki | coderus: you could just encrypt it, too | 18:10 |
| coderus | fennekki: sure | 18:10 |
| fennekki | choose two patterns to XOR that give the specific data | 18:11 |
| fennekki | then programmatically generate those two | 18:11 |
| coderus | base64 is okay for now ;) | 18:11 |
| fennekki | neither is the whatsapp logo in any representation but it just so happens that they are it XOR'd :D | 18:11 |
| * tbr just wouldn't use the trademark (logo/name) | 18:11 | |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like a dumb game though, spending your time reverse engineering the ever changing whatsapp protocol | 18:11 |
| rigo | just as a suggestion if you want to have secure messaging: https://threema.ch/en/ | 18:12 |
| rigo | could be a good default deal between jolla and them IMHO | 18:12 |
| dunp | nice command to erase.. openssl enc -aes-256-ctr -pass pass:"$(dd if=/dev/urandom bs=128 count=1 2>/dev/null | base64)" -nosalt < /dev/zero | pv -pterb -s $(blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdX) > /dev/sdX | 18:12 |
| dunp | 112MiB/s | 18:12 |
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| coderus | rigo: it's all was discussed long time ago | 18:13 |
| coderus | there are so many alternatives | 18:13 |
| coderus | and so less developers who want to spend time on it | 18:13 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: just do your own work what you like to do | 18:14 |
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| coderus | and let other to do their work | 18:14 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: of course, anyone can work on anything they like | 18:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not the worlds arbiter of everything-that-is-worthwhile | 18:16 |
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| Miski | Can I somehow debug why an mp3 isn't playing on my Jolla? | 18:16 |
| Miski | some log I can check, possibly? | 18:17 |
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| tbr | Miski: start by checking journal | 18:22 |
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| Miski | no, not really anything there | 18:30 |
| anonfriese | hei guys, who else got an e-mail from jolla with a tablet survey? | 18:31 |
| Miski | "resource_request: acquire 5" and "resource_request: release 5" from ohmd | 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | anonfriese: i did | 18:31 |
| coderus | anonfriese: everybody who baked, i think? | 18:32 |
| anonfriese | ah okay | 18:32 |
| anonfriese | just asking because thunderbird thought it was phishing, so safe to open then i guess... | 18:32 |
| coderus | my thunderbird is crazy also | 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | anonfriese: oh yeah I had a THunderbird wanring to I Think | 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | anonfriese: no Jolla are malicious crackers blackhat cyber crimianls really espeically sledges :d | 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | so no not safe to open :d | 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | 18:33 |
| coderus | jolla should check phishing patterns | 18:33 |
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| anonfriese | well, maybe i could understand gmail or apple mail going crazy, but thunderbird? | 18:33 |
| coderus | just email match some patterns | 18:34 |
| Miski | tbr: Thanks for the help, but I'm giving up. Not worth it for a new sms sound :) | 18:36 |
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| rigo | coderus: :( | 18:47 |
| rigo | I talk to people and they don't care... | 18:47 |
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| Ram-Z | where can I find an .rpm for the sailfish browser? | 18:50 |
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| fennekki | why is this important | 18:59 |
| fennekki | and for an actual answer, can you fetch it using a package manager, perhaps | 18:59 |
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| Ram-Z | meh... someone uploaded a sailfish-browser-nightly to warehouse and something went wrong during install | 19:01 |
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| fennekki | well | 19:01 |
| Ram-Z | now I don't have the browser anymore | 19:01 |
| fennekki | pkcon install sailfish-browser | 19:01 |
| fennekki | perhaps? | 19:01 |
| fennekki | if that's what the package is called | 19:01 |
| Ram-Z | oh, pkcon is a full fledget pkgmanager | 19:03 |
| Ram-Z | sweet | 19:03 |
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| Ram-Z | it doesn't have any kind of useable help | 19:06 |
| Ram-Z | any other commands than install? | 19:06 |
| Ram-Z | also: Fatal error: nothing provides jolla-ambient >= 0.4.18 needed by sailfish-browser-1.2.1-1.armv7hl | 19:06 |
| ahjolinna | u can install zypper | 19:06 |
| ahjolinna | pkcon install zypper | 19:07 |
| ahjolinna | and use zypper instead | 19:07 |
| ahjolinna | Ram-Z:^ | 19:07 |
| fennekki | Ram-Z: pkcon is, uh, pkcon is kinda perverse | 19:08 |
| fennekki | it wraps other package management systems | 19:08 |
| Ram-Z | somethings really wrong though if jolla-ambient is not installed :/ | 19:08 |
| Ram-Z | fennekki: ok, I'll just install zypper and try with that | 19:08 |
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| Ram-Z | ah... sailfish-browser-settings version was too new, so the browser could not be reinstalled | 19:16 |
| Ram-Z | zypper fixed it | 19:16 |
| Ram-Z | fennekki, ahjolinna thx | 19:17 |
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| chem|st | does anyone have a crazyflie or is interested in one (both valid as if you got one I'd like to be interested if you got the CR hooked up to a Jolla and if not if you'd be interested in doing that) | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | thoughts on the HoloLens stuff? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: what's that? | 19:18 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: a flying developer board -> bitcraze.se | 19:19 |
| * Stskeeps looks.. | 19:19 | |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: hololens stuff? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: yeah.. well, microsoft just introduced something quite interesting | 19:20 |
| chem|st | you mean MS hololens? | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:20 |
| chem|st | wrong formfactor, I'd be interested in something like Nokia glasses with corrective glasses | 19:22 |
| kimmoli | chem|st: crazyflie would be nice to test, but my pile it too high already | 19:22 |
| chem|st | that thing is huge | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | for capability it's doing quite well | 19:23 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: yeah we already talked, I bought it and do not hae time to really look into it... | 19:23 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that for sure, but the size... | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | untethered, too | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | which is just scar | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | y | 19:26 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: submission to harbour complete for toholed, tomorrow shipping tohiri and new letoh to TRE | 19:32 |
| kimmoli | iekku: then fixing ambience and submitting them too | 19:32 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: untethered? do you mean that it's a system of its own or that it's not connected to MS? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | as in it's not connected to a phone, pc or tablet | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | ie it's own connectivity | 19:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | is this going to be another cool thing that microsoft shows off a prototype | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | and we start seeing it in tv shows | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but never actually has a product you can buy | 20:09 |
| fennekki | possibly | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | like the original ms surface (the big table) | 20:09 |
| fennekki | I really hope it's legit though | 20:09 |
| fennekki | well presumably the original ms surface just was something nobody in their right minds would buy | 20:09 |
| fennekki | who'd want such a huge single-purpose fixture | 20:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | fennekki: you mean like a table? | 20:16 |
| fennekki | I just mean it wasn't a very convenient device | 20:17 |
| fennekki | huge touch screens mean most of the space is going to go to waste | 20:17 |
| fennekki | I guess if you used it as a literal table | 20:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats kinda what i was getting at | 20:17 |
| r0kk3rz | people still use desktop computers, they're largely fixed single use devices | 20:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | if the form factor was also suitable for an office desk (expensive office desk) | 20:18 |
| r0kk3rz | or a smart coffee table | 20:18 |
| fennekki | if I could get like | 20:19 |
| fennekki | a thing I could put on my desk or whatever (or a thin slab with legs I guess) that might be neat | 20:19 |
| fennekki | but I can't think of any use for it | 20:19 |
| fennekki | I guess there *might* be some reason to use a massive touchscreen device but you can get tablet PCs and whatnot already | 20:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | built in screen + wacom for sketching | 20:20 |
| Mikaela | Does anyone have experience with ebook readers on Jolla? What would you recommend? Google Play Books doesn't seem to work (I opened thread to together.jolla.com earlier) and FBReader opens the book, but it seems to get some weird graphics issue when page is turned or screen orientation changes or something | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | hook it together with a desktop computer screen for two handed gestures | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | also use it for surround screen gaming | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | if you cant think of a use you arent thinking hard enough :P | 20:22 |
| fennekki | okay, well, maybe that was badly worded | 20:22 |
| fennekki | I can't see myself gaining any practical advantage apart from bragging rights from one | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | possibly, and such a thing would likely be a considerable sum of money | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | i still think it would have enough coolness factor that people would buy it | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps one of the issues with it is now solved | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. large enough high res screens | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | but i suppose a 4k tv screen would be sufficient | 20:25 |
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| Mikaela | apparently I would have found multiple answers if I had googled and it seems that there is one FBReader for Jolla and requests for others | 20:35 |
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| onurati | hey! I need a new camera and ALS/proximity sensor replacement for my Jolla. Any ideas where to get those from? | 21:14 |
| kimmoli | digikey, if you want to solder it yourself | 21:16 |
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| onurati | kimmoli: Alright. What about the camera? | 21:19 |
| kimmoli | no idea | 21:19 |
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| pdanek | Hey, Do you guys know when battery indication issues will be finally resolved? | 21:34 |
| fennekki | battery indication issues? | 21:34 |
| pdanek | I have for example 60% battery, start audio/video Skype call via 3G (Skype app) and after a while, my battery level drops to 0-2% and phone shuts down in a moment. | 21:35 |
| pdanek | Then I have to start kit and battery is fine again, 50-60% | 21:35 |
| pdanek | Skype again and battery drops after a whilke | 21:35 |
| tbr | pdanek: clean battery contacts | 21:35 |
| pdanek | no | 21:36 |
| pdanek | not related | 21:36 |
| pdanek | It's related to some android apps | 21:36 |
| fennekki | for me cleaning contacts fixed that | 21:36 |
| pdanek | like here maps | 21:36 |
| pdanek | or skype | 21:36 |
| tbr | quite likely related | 21:36 |
| tbr | nah | 21:36 |
| tbr | symptom | 21:36 |
| tbr | those apps make the device draw a lot of power | 21:36 |
| pdanek | I see | 21:36 |
| fennekki | since the whole battery issue only happens with high power draw | 21:36 |
| tbr | this means that the battery is loaded | 21:36 |
| pdanek | ok I will try | 21:37 |
| fennekki | this is the same problem the paper/electric tape trick aims to fix | 21:37 |
| pdanek | else care.jolla, because it's unusable for calling | 21:37 |
| pdanek | ok | 21:37 |
| tbr | if there is a high contact impedance → voltage drop → power management thinks battery is empty | 21:37 |
| pdanek | anyway my loud speaker is dead for few weeks | 21:37 |
| tbr | pdanek: care will nowadays apparently also tell you to clean them | 21:37 |
| pdanek | yes, I mean only if cleaning won't help | 21:37 |
| pdanek | but I need to send my Jolla back anyway, because of loud speaker | 21:38 |
| pdanek | it's just dead | 21:38 |
| pdanek | before it started working again but now it's dead permanently | 21:38 |
| pdanek | I wake up by vibration alarm every morning, with a phone on my pillow :D | 21:38 |
| tbr | heh | 21:39 |
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| keithzg | My own schedule is luckily flexible enough that I don't actually set alarms anymore (I just wake up whenever I'm rested, or my flatmates are loudly swearing about challenges in Smash Bros), but I quasi-fondly remember relying on "Evil Alarm" for the N900 back in the day. | 22:07 |
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| keithzg | Perhaps the only alarm that could reliably get me to wake up, heh. | 22:08 |
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| HtheB | meow | 22:57 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | HtheB: hey | 22:57 |
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| HtheB | TMavica_Jolla_: did you slept good? :p | 22:57 |
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