| comradekingu | i think get the tablet | 00:00 |
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| jcbjoe | i don't like tablets i love phones | 00:01 |
| jcbjoe | i really want the phone | 00:01 |
| comradekingu | what are you looking for in a phone? | 00:01 |
| jcbjoe | the jolla phone .. i want it .. im running sailfish on the nexus4 and i love the os the mulitasking everything about it | 00:01 |
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| comradekingu | well jolla phone it is | 00:03 |
| comradekingu | isnt there a US frequency model? | 00:03 |
| comradekingu | I wish the US could adopt 800 1800 2100 2600 frequencies like the rest of the world | 00:04 |
| special | there is only one model of the jolla phone, and it doesn't work well on US bands | 00:05 |
| special | expect 2G only | 00:05 |
| comradekingu | Well you can always tether data to it | 00:06 |
| r0kk3rz | jcbjoe: you can always hang out to march and see whats announced at mwc | 00:06 |
| jcbjoe | special: but text and calls should be fine right ? | 00:06 |
| special | jcbjoe: yes, although signal may be slightly less reliable than it could otherwise be in some places/carriers | 00:07 |
| special | I haven't had trouble with 2G signals. | 00:07 |
| jcbjoe | special: are you in the US ? | 00:07 |
| special | I work for jolla and live in the US | 00:07 |
| jcbjoe | with a jolla phone ? | 00:08 |
| jcbjoe | of course right | 00:08 |
| special | there are two of them on my desk | 00:08 |
| jcbjoe | special: is data the only issue ? | 00:08 |
| jcbjoe | wow somebody in the us with a jolla | 00:08 |
| jcbjoe | this rocks | 00:08 |
| comradekingu | ok, i found a bug, you have quertz on norwegian keyboard by default | 00:08 |
| comradekingu | only when you enable danish, then swap to it and back to norwegian do you actually get a norwegian keyboard | 00:09 |
| jcbjoe | special: what do you use for data when your out and about or do you just wait for wifi ? | 00:09 |
| special | jcbjoe: I don't use those as daily phones, unfortunately | 00:09 |
| jcbjoe | oh | 00:09 |
| special | I know there have been a few people around here that use them in the US with tethering | 00:10 |
| jcbjoe | tethering to what though ? | 00:10 |
| comradekingu | via usb to a s2 running replicant or something | 00:11 |
| comradekingu | it does strike me as the tiniest bit silly though | 00:11 |
| special | I admire your conviction if you're willing to do it ;) | 00:12 |
| comradekingu | reverse-tethering is the new tethering | 00:12 |
| special | also, my tmobile SIM is misbehaving right now. I wonder why. | 00:13 |
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| comradekingu | russian keyboard seems to have been enabled | 00:16 |
| comradekingu | but they dont use qwertz, strange | 00:16 |
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| comradekingu | will my jolla account work for getting developer updates? | 00:26 |
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| special | comradekingu: the "enable developer updates" setting is for internal developer infrastructure | 00:27 |
| special | you shouldn't use it. | 00:27 |
| comradekingu | how am i supposed to get a terminal emulator running | 00:27 |
| comradekingu | i found none in the jolla repo | 00:28 |
| special | if you have developer mode enabled, isn't fingerterm installed automatically? | 00:28 |
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| comradekingu | lets see | 00:28 |
| comradekingu | nice, there we go | 00:29 |
| salyavin | If you set a password you can do devel-su and also be able to ssh to device | 00:29 |
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| salyavin | If you're interested in more experimental software you may also want to install https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos as additional software "store" | 00:31 |
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| M4rtinK | and once you have warehouse installed, you can install the modRana navigation system from it :) | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | and let me know how you like it :) | 00:33 |
| comradekingu | salyavin: what is the default root password | 00:33 |
| Oni^ | toor | 00:34 |
| jcbjoe | special: can you sell one of those jolla's :D | 00:34 |
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| special | no :p | 00:35 |
| uvatvmw | jcbjoe, special: I'm a Jolla user in the US... bought it when I went to India | 00:35 |
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| comradekingu | its not "toor" | 00:35 |
| salyavin | Not sure of default password or if it even has one | 00:35 |
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| salyavin | You should set a password | 00:36 |
| jcbjoe | uvatvmw: we need to form a us jolla users group | 00:36 |
| jcbjoe | uvatvmw: can i private message you ? | 00:36 |
| salyavin | where you enabled devel mode | 00:36 |
| Yaniel | comradekingu: there may not even be one | 00:36 |
| jcbjoe | uvatvmw: brb i got to go to store | 00:36 |
| uvatvmw | jcbjoe: I'm in. @PM: yes | 00:36 |
| Yaniel | use devel-su with the password you set in developer mode settings | 00:37 |
| s5pik3 | go to the developers settings -> remote connexion -> set a password or generate onr | 00:37 |
| s5pik3 | one* | 00:37 |
| Yaniel | works a bit like sudo | 00:37 |
| special | I think the tablet will help quite a bit for US sailfish users. | 00:37 |
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| Yaniel | salyavin: settings->developer mode->accept | 00:37 |
| Yaniel | *settings->system->... | 00:38 |
| Yaniel | and the password you set there is for the user nemo | 00:38 |
| salyavin | why'd you highlight me? | 00:38 |
| Yaniel | sorry, misread your previous message | 00:39 |
| salyavin | Should highlight comradekingu who needs to do it ;P | 00:39 |
| comradekingu | my bad | 00:39 |
| salyavin | why is modRana not allowed in jolla store M4rtinK? | 00:40 |
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| salyavin | doing some privaliged stuff? | 00:40 |
| M4rtinK | salyavin: it did not support Python applications until recently | 00:41 |
| salyavin | ah so same problem as gpodder | 00:41 |
| M4rtinK | salyavin: and AFAIK still does not accept QtPositioning usage | 00:41 |
| M4rtinK | even though I have been pressing on Jolla to do something about it on at least the last two community meetings :) | 00:42 |
| salyavin | Not sure how it should be done but there really needs to be some kind of permission system for Sailfish developed. This app has permission for positioning data etc. | 00:42 |
| M4rtinK | apparently **NO SUPPORT FOR LOCATION WHATSOEVER** for *more than a year* in the __official store__ is not an important issues :) | 00:43 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: you can use dbus *cough* | 00:43 |
| salyavin | yea it's long. I'll bet it7s because they don't know how they want to do permissions yet | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: and I can also just submit the Android version ;-) | 00:43 |
| salyavin | like how android mentions this app wants positionnig data or access to your porn or whatever | 00:44 |
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| M4rtinK | salyavin: AFAIK it is just API stability | 00:44 |
| special | it's mostly API stability at this point | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | and QtPositioning is stable since 5.2 | 00:44 |
| salyavin | ah OK | 00:44 |
| special | permissions will come, but I'll just break everything when that happens. | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | and I'm not using QtLocation | 00:44 |
| salyavin | permissions is not an easy thing to do | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | special: actually depending on how you implement it it might not :) | 00:44 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: I think "break everything" is one of his top goals for the task :p | 00:45 |
| special | ^. | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | eq. feeding false data, etc. | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | but it is always fun to break a distro, that's for sure :) | 00:45 |
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| special | heh, false data | 00:45 |
| salyavin | since they talk about privacy etc. they've gotta implement it somehow. | 00:46 |
| special | all users who disable positioning appear to be in the middle of the ocean. I will admit, that would be fun. | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | so hopefully in the next year we will see modRana in Harbor | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | yeh lat,lon == 0,0 and done :) | 00:46 |
| salyavin | cool. | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, if you see yourself in the middle of an ocean in a map application | 00:47 |
| special | expect some mails from me in the next few months about permissions and security.. | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | it most probably means that the default coordinates are 0 & 0 | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | so in the "middle" of the Atlantic ocean west of Africa :) | 00:47 |
| Aard | special: let's move the default coordinates a little bit to screw with M4rtinK | 00:47 |
| Yaniel | randomize them | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | actually for this reason I'm using coordinates of the city of Brno, Czech Republic as default location :) | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | much more useful :) | 00:48 |
| salyavin | maybe Jolla headquarters | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | yeah :) | 00:48 |
| Aard | do a travel profile of the user, and set initial coordinates as far as possible from any point he visited? | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | on a serious note the QtPositoning an interface already has API for checking if the data is valid, if a provider is available | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | so apps should be able to handle even an outright denial to provide location data | 00:49 |
| special | yeah. My part of it would be more along the lines of outright denial | 00:50 |
| special | to positioning data and everything else you might want :> | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | also the apps should be able to tell the user that it needs positioning enabled to work properly | 00:50 |
| salyavin | otherwise you get flashlights wanting to know where you are ;P | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, might be nice to set maximum positioning granularity per application | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | salyavin: eq Android :) | 00:51 |
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| salyavin | yea everyone just accepts anyway | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | the all or nothing permission system in Android is awful!! | 00:51 |
| special | I agree. | 00:52 |
| special | I want user control over granting and revoking permissions | 00:52 |
| Aard | special: if app does not have access to positioning, check map for a similar landscape/roads, and provide plausible location changes in that area matching the real movements :) | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | BB10 outright requires applications to be able to run even if permissions are not granted in (I think) any combination | 00:52 |
| tigeli | special: let's do UAC on sailfishos :D | 00:53 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: inertial navigation ? :) | 00:53 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: I've been actually wondering how doable inertial navigation would be with on modern smartphones | 00:54 |
| ln- | what if the user points the camera to the night sky, and sailfish computes the position based on constellations and stars | 00:54 |
| M4rtinK | you have compass, accelerator and usually also a gyroscope | 00:54 |
| M4rtinK | but I they are sensitive enough... | 00:54 |
| M4rtinK | would be nice for stuff like short tunnels | 00:55 |
| M4rtinK | or even some sort of indoor navigation | 00:55 |
| tigeli | why do you need to know the location.. the officials already know it :D | 00:55 |
| salyavin | I'm in a maze of twisty passages all alike, help me | 00:55 |
| salyavin | maybe DRM crap is one reason tigeli | 00:55 |
| salyavin | only licened for viewing in say england not say hong kong | 00:56 |
| tigeli | :D | 00:56 |
| special | salyavin: if you show me an app that uses GPS to unlock DRM content, I will personally implement a fake positioning data source. | 00:57 |
| salyavin | weather apps sometimes want it | 00:57 |
| tigeli | usually they do only geoip which is lousy solution too | 00:57 |
| tigeli | (not the weather apps) | 00:57 |
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| salyavin | I think some use IP not seen GPS yet special but that's easy to bypass as well | 00:57 |
| salyavin | Did that AP news app on N9 want gps? I think I remember that but I'm not sure | 00:58 |
| salyavin | if inside (country) it sucks if outside (country) it's a wonderful paradise | 00:59 |
| salyavin | or reverse for North Korea | 00:59 |
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| salyavin | twitter or gnusocial would be interesting to play with resolution. In other operating systems I see twitter often posts location. You may want everying to know you're in Helsinki but may not want them to know you're at a topless bar | 01:06 |
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| jcbjoe | no turning back now - Thank you, your order has been placed. - Jolla Sim Free Smartphone 16GB' by Jolla | 01:28 |
| salyavin | order a memory card too :P | 01:32 |
| salyavin | if your phone gets too full you can have upgrade issues as free space can be a little tricky on btrfs as well as balancing | 01:32 |
| salyavin | Out of curisity what do you like from the real jolla over your nexus, android compatability? | 01:33 |
| salyavin | TOH? | 01:33 |
| salyavin | by android compatability I mean alien dalvik | 01:33 |
| salyavin | It sure isn't data speed ;P | 01:36 |
| Yaniel | wlan speed? :P | 01:37 |
| tadzik | I'm a google hater, the choice is obvious :) | 01:37 |
| salyavin | I think jcbjoe is in US he said. | 01:38 |
| salyavin | there's always crackberry tadzik ;P | 01:38 |
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| tadzik | well, too late :) | 01:39 |
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| salyavin | looks like Jolla is attending MWC in March. Would be nice if they announced a new phone to come later in the year | 01:41 |
| tadzik | I wouldn't like that | 01:41 |
| salyavin | I would | 01:42 |
| tadzik | I still have internal sadness about buying the JP-1301 :P | 01:42 |
| tadzik | themost expensive phone I ever bought, also bein gthe only new phone Iever bought | 01:42 |
| salyavin | Not sure they can though with the tablet being worked on | 01:42 |
| tadzik | I also can't type, happy new year | 01:42 |
| salyavin | I think the N900 was fairly expensive | 01:43 |
| salyavin | oh you never bought a new phone interesting | 01:43 |
| tadzik | yeah, always something my family discarded, sort of | 01:43 |
| tadzik | a phone is fun for 2-3 weeks, then it becomes a clock and an alarm clock | 01:44 |
| salyavin | Did you ever use N900 and N9? | 01:44 |
| tadzik | I had 2 N900s | 01:44 |
| salyavin | that is more than an alarm clock, I hope you'd agree | 01:44 |
| tadzik | I liked IRCing in the subway | 01:44 |
| tadzik | and Wolfenstein 3d during my graphics classes | 01:44 |
| tadzik | it does have more capabilities, no doubt about that | 01:45 |
| tadzik | I just don't need it that much | 01:45 |
| tadzik | the only reason I go for "smartphonets" is that I got so used to having GPS and a map when I'm lost | 01:45 |
| salyavin | My first mobile phone was an N900 | 01:46 |
| salyavin | I had N810 on wi-fi SIP before that, think of mobile phone with worste coverage ever ;P | 01:46 |
| salyavin | and Sharp Zaurus for many years before that (various SL models) | 01:47 |
| tadzik | heh, the first one I had was 3210 | 01:47 |
| salyavin | more amused by mobile computer than phone | 01:47 |
| salyavin | now I'm married with offspring so need to be more reachable | 01:48 |
| tadzik | hah | 01:48 |
| salyavin | so my mobile computer since N900 has cell connection ;P | 01:49 |
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| temmi_moo | n900 is the best alarm clock ever | 09:48 |
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| temmi_moo | sleepanalyzer does the job and surprisingly no other like software does the job as well | 10:42 |
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| Stskeeps | curious: http://hajo.me/blog/2014/12/28/how-surround-sound-for-headphones-works/ | 10:51 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: did you mean the psychoacoustic effects or the math he explains later on? | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, both | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | pondering if it could somehow be exploited | 10:56 |
| temmi_moo | the gus soundcard in early pc gaming days had hardware support for some of that thing | 10:56 |
| tbr | the early approaches were mostly phase shift and "widening" the stereo signal | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | wonder if anybody ever did surround sound with bone conduction | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | they had a library for 3d audio and the sample playing engine supported timing biases so that a simple library could provide for the matrix math resulting in suitable timing biases for individual sounds | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | nobody at the time wanted to make a gus special game so everybody ended up using it in the sblaster emulation mode | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | sad | 10:58 |
| temmi_moo | the gus sample playing hw has 32-polyphony and supports multiplex dma streaming so... | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | http://i.imgur.com/V0ynTj6.webm | 11:00 |
| tbr | neat | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | it was a neat card | 11:00 |
| temmi_moo | sb and sb16 were gunky and annoying | 11:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | and later on with Aureal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A3D | 11:01 |
| temmi_moo | everybody wanted just sb* emulation so all the cool sound cards died | 11:02 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | anyone who plays pixl, “mr. clever” #15 is 402y old... so, he's definitely a survivor. invite at will. | 12:34 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | also if anyone can make on of those disease games based on openstreetmap, that would be awesome. | 12:35 |
| friese | disease games? like where you create your own virus and try to spread it across the globe and kill everyone? yeah, nice idea | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: makes me wonder if anybody did quake on top of openstreetmap | 12:37 |
| friese | maybe you can use flighttracker-data for real plane movements or sth. like that, make's that game a bit slower than simulations, but could be manageable i guess | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | stskeeps: a loooong time ago, someone make AR quake | 12:38 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | no way | 12:38 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | friese: not a bad idea | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/projects/arquake/ | 12:38 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | heh | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | would probably be worth updating with modern tech | 12:39 |
| r0kk3rz | as this was at least 10 years ago now... | 12:39 |
| friese | yeah | 12:39 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | friese: perhaps you can also use solar flare data | 12:39 |
| friese | anybody knows "arcade reality" for palm os? i think it came out about 2005-2006ish and you could shoot aliens in the real world - oh boy was that fun | 12:40 |
| friese | (and everybody looked strange at you cause you were shooting them with lasers ;) ) | 12:40 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | or a game where you create meteors from accross the galaxy and use gravity slungshots to destroy target planets | 12:41 |
| friese | you mean like... angry birds with planets instead of pigs? ;) | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | AL13N_jolla_: sounds a bit like planetary annihilation | 12:41 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | don't know that one. | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its a pc rts game | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda like supreme commander | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but you can go into space, and blow up planets | 12:43 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | not quite like that... just to pass the time... like we're all a planet accross the galaxy and you launch asteroids or meteors or comets with or without anything on board | 12:44 |
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| kimmoli | heh ARQuake, i was up to something then https://github.com/kimmoli/targetpractice | 12:45 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | it would be fun if you end up destroying yourself | 12:45 |
| friese | humm, reminds me of a popular browser game (at least here in germany) called ogame | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | AL13N_jolla_: sounds a bit like solar 2 | 12:45 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | i don't know much about these ganes | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | or Slingshot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slingshot_%28video_game%29 | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | it is quite addictive :) | 12:48 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | and if you end up shooting in the same star all the time it could become a black hole | 12:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: that myhalf i got off you has eeprom on it yeah? | 12:49 |
| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: um yes | 12:49 |
| kimmoli | iirc | 12:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i cant seem to get i2ctool to recognise it | 12:50 |
| kimmoli | 2 possible cases | 12:50 |
| kimmoli | if you run probe, does it show 0x50 green or yeloow or blue | 12:50 |
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| kimmoli | (blue = bingo through 50..57) | 12:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | yellow | 12:51 |
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| kimmoli | fu | 12:52 |
| kimmoli | power on? led is lit ? | 12:52 |
| r0kk3rz | yep | 12:52 |
| kimmoli | have you connected to anything through it? | 12:52 |
| kimmoli | measure levels in SCL/SDA , 3.3 and 1.8 pins | 12:53 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, i have a green on 50 | 12:53 |
| kimmoli | oo | 12:53 |
| kimmoli | now retry the EEPROM R/W | 12:53 |
| r0kk3rz | looks my attachment mechanism isnt quite attaching | 12:54 |
| r0kk3rz | does power pins, but needs more pressure on i2c pins | 12:54 |
| kimmoli | ok | 12:54 |
| r0kk3rz | and by attachment mechanism i mean rubber band | 12:55 |
| kimmoli | probe shows 50..57 in blue, if you press the cover-presence-micro-switch, as the tohd daemon takes the eeprom to sysfs | 12:55 |
| kimmoli | you need to use heavy-rubber band then.. | 12:55 |
| r0kk3rz | nah i just adjusted how its looping | 12:56 |
| r0kk3rz | obscures the screen a bit... but its a start | 12:56 |
| kimmoli | i didnt give you the clip? | 12:56 |
| r0kk3rz | nah | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | you didnt have one | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | i need to get up to the makerspace and print a few things out | 12:59 |
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| kimmoli | yes propably faster than send one | 13:00 |
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| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf/tree/master/stl | 13:01 |
| kimmoli | hmm.. i think i made some changes to that | 13:02 |
| r0kk3rz | well i have a full toh cover i want to print out and test | 13:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmms, kimmoli do you know of a way to override the NFC tag assignment? | 13:42 |
| r0kk3rz | like use a jolla NFC cover and get it to do something else? | 13:42 |
| kimmoli | what you mean? | 13:43 |
| kimmoli | like detecting the TOHID for your own purposes by your own daemon? | 13:43 |
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| kimmoli | TOHID is emitted over dbus when it is attached, you can trigger to it if you mean that | 13:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | eg get it to automatically load a custom ambiance | 13:45 |
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| AL13N | wouldn't it be easier to add a dbus handler for that? | 13:46 |
| kimmoli | you can ofc mess with ambiece sqlite database to change stuff tied to certain tohid | 13:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah so its all stored in the sqlite db | 13:47 |
| kimmoli | never tried that through | 13:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | we'll see what i can break | 13:48 |
| * kimmoli applies disclaimers to above suggestions | 13:50 | |
| Yaniel | well so basically you get an event with the toh id and can do what you want if you catch it | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | ? | 13:50 |
| kimmoli | by dbus yes | 13:51 |
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| kimmoli | i use this to record the stickers, place the NFC on the antenna, press microswitch | 13:51 |
| kimmoli | Just pasted a lot, see here http://pastebin.com/2qcXkusm | 13:51 |
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| kimmoli | but in real-life, i use eeprom / udev to start my stuff | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | might be easier to just override the image in the fs | 13:53 |
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| kimmoli | that is one way | 13:54 |
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| Yaniel | wut | 13:55 |
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| Yaniel | I just managed to launch rwo instances of jolla-settings | 13:55 |
| Yaniel | two* | 13:55 |
| kimmoli | ambienced should have some method to trigger services e.g. over dbus | 13:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: you didnt wait for the first one to load? | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | it had been open in the background for some time already | 13:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm interesting | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | aloe toh doesnt seem to be enabling aloe sounds | 14:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | oh, they arent in settings, only in ambiance settings in gallery | 14:08 |
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| Sail0r | yeah, that's normal and weird ^^ | 14:13 |
| r0kk3rz | a little weird, but also kinda makes sense | 14:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you dont have a fancy ambiance, then the settings menu sounds count | 14:15 |
| Sail0r | yeah, when I found that out first I opened a TJC thread because I thought it's a bug *g* | 14:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | i was thinking bug, then i saw something that said look into ambiance settings | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | not that it really matters, the aloe sounds are kinda shit anyway | 14:19 |
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| cityoflights2 | will we see anything new this year in FOSDEM by jolla team? | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | well, a lot of us will be there | 15:30 |
| cityoflights2 | last year I wanted to buy your phone there, but you had none for sale | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | but you also have to remember that fosdem is a tad non-commercial | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have a stand so | 15:31 |
| cityoflights2 | yet, at 2013 QT was selling their phones... | 15:32 |
| cityoflights2 | ya, its a shame you don't have a stand | 15:32 |
| cityoflights2 | and unless I am invited to your lunch, I wont know any of you guys | 15:32 |
| cityoflights2 | you even didn't wear jolla shirts... | 15:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, fairly sure i did at my talk | 15:33 |
| cityoflights2 | which talk did you give? | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/02/video-jolla-at-fosdem-2014/ | 15:33 |
| cityoflights2 | how to get invited to your dinner? | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's not organised yet but usually we organise it through together.* | 15:34 |
| cityoflights2 | I see, and may I come to listen? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | we had open participation last time around too :) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | so people showed up if they wanted | 15:34 |
| sec | I don't like my covers going black :/ | 15:35 |
| cityoflights2 | I took the bus with this guy that was at your dinner on the first night, and told me a bit of the issues that where discussed | 15:35 |
| cityoflights2 | oh, wait I was in that talk! | 15:38 |
| cityoflights2 | you gave the coupon | 15:38 |
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| sec | Is there a fix for the active covers going black? | 16:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | sec your app or apps in general? | 16:22 |
| sec | The Phone and the Messaging app | 16:23 |
| r0kk3rz | oh | 16:23 |
| sec | Also listed as bugs in the release notes | 16:23 |
| r0kk3rz | havent heard about that one | 16:23 |
| sec | I'll wait for Stskeeps to pop in | 16:24 |
| tbr | I think the party line says "wait for U11", which according to statements should be going into its first RC testing once testing is back from holidays | 16:28 |
| sec | Ah, lets hope it's released soon then | 16:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | right that should be the TMP007 breakboard library ported | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | now i need to wait for the actual board to turn up in the mail | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | thanks kimmoli, i borrowed some of your code from tohir | 16:56 |
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| kimmoli | 007? the single ir sensor? | 16:56 |
| kimmoli | iirc | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | i wanted something not too complicated to learn with | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | single ir temp sensor should be simple enough | 16:57 |
| kimmoli | http://www.ti.com/tool/tmp007evm < i have this somewhere | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i ordered the adafruit package | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-tmp007-sensor-breakout/overview | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | because im a noob | 16:59 |
| kimmoli | http://www.ti.com/tool/ldc1000evm this is also somewhere | 17:00 |
| locusf | merge window for u11 was yesterday | 17:00 |
| jcbjoe | whats that locusf ? | 17:01 |
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| locusf | jcbjoe: not entirely sure :) just saw it in my github feeds | 17:01 |
| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: this is also interesting, i have 2 evaboards, tested one, but not yet connected to jolla MGC3130 | 17:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | was also thinking of ordering one of these | 17:12 |
| r0kk3rz | https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13003 | 17:12 |
| r0kk3rz | and stealing yout toholed code | 17:12 |
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| kimmoli | >) | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | :P | 17:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think im finally beginning to understand this whole qsensorbackend business | 19:06 |
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| jcbjoe | i'm not i get my jolla next week probably | 19:21 |
| jcbjoe | :P | 19:21 |
| SQUelcher | I'm still using my E90 as main device until TOHKBD arrives ;) | 19:22 |
| WaRi0 | i have n8 | 19:22 |
| WaRi0 | now jphone | 19:22 |
| WaRi0 | and i w8 jolla2 | 19:22 |
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| cryorat | WaRi0, rumors says they will announce it this year | 19:27 |
| WaRi0 | yes we see | 19:27 |
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| cryorat | but they working on the tablets now | 19:27 |
| cryorat | and nobody want it to steal the show :) | 19:28 |
| cryorat | this year theyll announce it, next year we can actually buy it | 19:28 |
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| WaRi0 | im just w8 an update of warehouse and a working maze lock for up10 | 19:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | situations needs more options | 21:38 |
| r0kk3rz | needs to be more like tasker | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | so you can automate ALL of the things | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | but automating profile based on wifi location is cool though | 21:40 |
| r0kk3rz | would be even cooler if it was hooked into the ambiances thing | 21:40 |
| AL13N | situations is probably taking too much resources | 21:42 |
| AL13N | it should really be dbus handlers | 21:43 |
| AL13N | so it can be secured later | 21:43 |
| AL13N | i don't mind an interface for such things, but... | 21:43 |
| AL13N | plus license? | 21:43 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: is there some kind of talk of meeting planned during fosdem (like last year) | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N: yes, but cybette would be better for that than me | 21:53 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: oh, i meant talk or meeting | 21:53 |
| AL13N | cybette: ping, let us know if there's talks for jolla or mer or meetings for jolla or mer planned at FOSDEM? | 21:54 |
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| Stskeeps | talk.. well, check schedule if we got a talk in; meeting, friday beer event for sure :p | 22:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | brussels hey, any excuse to go and drink belgian beer i guess | 22:13 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I still need to convince myself to go, but regardless someone™ should start organizing a saturday dinner | 22:17 |
| tbr | and this time I'm strictly against la'morte subite | 22:18 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: i meant a REAL meeting like last time :-) | 22:26 |
| AL13N | tbr: haha, the dinner is more important :-) | 22:26 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | where can buy cigarette in Hel? | 22:27 |
| r0kk3rz | http://matrix.org/ | 22:30 |
| kimmoli | today at this hours, maybe easier to quit smoking | 22:30 |
| r0kk3rz | moar chat protocols | 22:30 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what this world needs, moar chat protocols | 22:31 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kimmoli: cant | 22:34 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kimmoli: where can buy? nearly finnish all mine bring from HK | 22:34 |
| kimmoli | find a bar that is open | 22:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i think aussiebar has a machine | 22:35 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | can buy in R-Kioski? | 22:37 |
| Ezko | they're not open | 22:37 |
| Ezko | where exactly are you? | 22:37 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | Hel | 22:38 |
| Ezko | where in helsinki | 22:38 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | central | 22:38 |
| Ezko | mechelininkadun abc | 22:38 |
| Ezko | a service station | 22:38 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | is a shop? | 22:39 |
| Ezko | it's a service station with a small shop | 22:39 |
| Ezko | let me see | 22:39 |
| kimmoli | gas station, 24H | 22:39 |
| Ezko | elielinaukio alepa | 22:39 |
| Ezko | are you in a hotel? | 22:39 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | Ezko: yes. Radisson Blu Plaza | 22:40 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kimmoli: i no car | 22:40 |
| Ezko | ok so elielinaukio is right on the other side of the railroad station | 22:40 |
| Ezko | but i'm pretty sure that some of the bars on the street the hotel is on sell them | 22:41 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | u mean go elielinaukio alepa can buy? | 22:41 |
| Ezko | and there might be a small deli shop if you go over vilhonkatu and then kaivokatu | 22:41 |
| Ezko | on mikonkatu, where the hotel is | 22:41 |
| Ezko | if it is still there they sell cigarettes | 22:42 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | complicated. the street name | 22:42 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | lol | 22:42 |
| Ezko | yes it is :P | 22:42 |
| r0kk3rz | go on a bar mission | 22:42 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | i can buy anywhere in Hk, like 7-eleven | 22:42 |
| r0kk3rz | theres heaps of bars in central helsinki | 22:42 |
| r0kk3rz | and i recon, the bartenders would know where to buy smokes from | 22:42 |
| Ezko | yeah like i said, you might find some in some of those | 22:43 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | bar have? ok. my opposite side have a bar | 22:43 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: fwiw, this one actually seems quite nice | 22:43 |
| tadzik | (matrix) | 22:43 |
| Ezko | on the street the hotel is on there are casino helsinki, public corner, baarikärpänen, on the rocks | 22:43 |
| Ezko | and then some more | 22:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: yeah initially i was skeptical | 22:43 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | have marlboro? | 22:43 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: but aside from the whole restful web thing, it looks ok | 22:43 |
| Ezko | they probably have one brand | 22:44 |
| tadzik | the only "too many chat protocols" that we have is "too many closed, corporate, centralized protocols" | 22:44 |
| Ezko | which is probably either marlboro or l&m | 22:44 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: my initial reaction was "why are they reimplementing xmpp" | 22:44 |
| Ezko | they're more expensive in bars but bars are easier to find :P | 22:45 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | how much | 22:45 |
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| Ezko | like 7+e compared to 5-6 | 22:45 |
| Ezko | maybe 8 or so | 22:45 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | ok | 22:45 |
| Ezko | all grocery stores and so on sell at the rate that it says on the pack, bars sell at a bit higher price | 22:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: but i dont see anything about other things like sending pictures, videos, sound clips, location info | 22:46 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | still hv 4 days in finland, i cant without it | 22:46 |
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| Ezko | TMavica_Jolla_: actually alepa at elielinaukio isn't open :P | 22:47 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | .. | 22:48 |
| Ezko | that abc is a couple of kilometers away | 22:48 |
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| Ezko | but if you can manage until morning all the stores will open | 22:48 |
| Ezko | or if you wanna go buy a pack from a bar | 22:49 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | i not buy now, i still hv last 1 pack | 22:49 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | just need buy in morning or afternoon | 22:49 |
| Ezko | ok, so all grocery stores and such sell cigarettes, you just gotta ask at the counter | 22:50 |
| Ezko | by eu law they're not allowed to show the packs | 22:50 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | what is grocery shop | 22:50 |
| Ezko | well close to you alepa, s-market on the other side of the railway station | 22:50 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: hmm, I seem to recall at least voicechat being a part of the original plan | 22:51 |
| Ezko | at the railway station there's r-kioski and some other places aswell | 22:51 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | ok. thx | 22:51 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: yeah it will do voip, and hopefully video chat | 22:51 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kioski can buy? | 22:51 |
| Ezko | oh and underground there's a k-market grocery store | 22:51 |
| Ezko | yeah | 22:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but for a true whatsapp killer, it needs more than just chat things | 22:51 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: http://matrix.org/beta/#/room/!cURbafjkfsMDVwdRDQ:matrix.org is probably a good place to ask around :) | 22:51 |
| Ezko | but again, you have to go to the counter and ask for what you want | 22:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 22:52 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kioski have, then is fine | 22:52 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | ok | 22:52 |
| tadzik | meh, to be a whatsapp killer it needs a shitload of marketing and a shiny android app | 22:52 |
| tadzik | I don't think that's a priority | 22:52 |
| r0kk3rz | shiny apps do help | 22:52 |
| r0kk3rz | marketing, not so required, people are starting to become weary of who's watching who | 22:52 |
| tadzik | thing is, it doesn't make much sense to try to apeal to a broad audiience before you nail down the spec and implementation details | 22:53 |
| cybette | AL13N: a couple of sailors have submitted devroom talks, but i don't think the results/schedule is out yet for all of them | 22:53 |
| cybette | AL13N: as for meeting/dinner, it'll probably be planned on TJC and we'll share info here :) | 22:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | tadzik: well its clearly early days, and open protocols are best to get right at the start | 23:03 |
| r0kk3rz | otherwise you end up stagnating like xmpp | 23:03 |
| r0kk3rz | well, get as right as you can anyway, who knows what the future of communication looks like in 10 years | 23:04 |
| WaRi0 | maybe make a pc suite for jolla ? | 23:04 |
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