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| comradekingu | Got jolaphoner, turned on, wont let me update without an account, why? | 04:02 |
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| comradekingu | is it the same account i made to order one in the webshop? | 04:08 |
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| comradekingu | "Although we had to summon the privateers of the dark seas (who some call lawyers) to help us draft these Terms of Service, we have done our best to keep them in control and make sure these terms reflect what we see as our guiding principles:" | 04:22 |
| comradekingu | The "them" part seemed strange to me | 04:23 |
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| tbr | comradekingu: yes you need an account, no it's not the shop account. | 05:41 |
| comradekingu | I would have prefered to be able to use the shop account, and also if the eula and license texts could have been broken down to topics | 05:42 |
| comradekingu | "are you under 13" click to expand, then the details for that and so on | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | file a together.* topic | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | in practice the jolla account ties a lot of things together, shop was sadly never integrateable | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | also handles if you want early updates, etc | 05:43 |
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| comradekingu | Stskeeps: i would prefer if no account was needed, also to have a anonymous account | 05:45 |
| comradekingu | Im pretty sure most of the terms were covered in the initial agreement i read through and accepted | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | comradekingu: the jolla account stuff on device is for various reasons to contact some repositories with 3rd party hw adaptation bits, from what i recall, so it's more of a technical constraint.. we don't have a unique key in each device so | 05:53 |
| comradekingu | you mean the mpeg-la stuff? I dont even want it | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | no, even modem stuff | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | mpeg-la is already on device | 05:55 |
| comradekingu | yes but the license | 05:56 |
| comradekingu | btw, change the "lawyers in control" with "help us keep our bearing" | 05:56 |
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| comradekingu | maybe its bearings | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | you should meet our lawyers.. they do CC-licensed NDAs | 05:57 |
| comradekingu | i dont even | 05:58 |
| comradekingu | im just ready to go to bed, been awake for waaay too long, firing on maybe 2 cylinders atm | 05:58 |
| comradekingu | goodnight and good luck | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | goodnight | 05:59 |
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| urs | anybody know, what the correct $TERM value for fingerterm is? the standard "xterm" value leads to plenty of terminal fuckups for me | 10:37 |
| urs | or does it need a custom terminfo entry? | 10:38 |
| ln- | i've never noticed any fuckups, nor have i heard anyone else complain about such... maybe your trouble is caused by something else than fingerterm. | 10:39 |
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| tbr | urs: did you zoom? I see various weird size related corruption at times | 10:44 |
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| urs | tbr: I... think not (actually, I haven't even figured out how to zoom, maybe I did so on accident) | 10:46 |
| urs | Ah... but even with different font sizes, same thing. | 10:47 |
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| urs | Of course, it coud be anywhere betwwen fingerterm, mosh, screen and irssi | 10:47 |
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| tbr | *nod* | 10:48 |
| tbr | I've seen some corruption, hard to say if the same :) | 10:48 |
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| TemeV | urs: I've also had some trouble with mosh and fingerterm | 10:58 |
| TemeV | iirc blank characters got fuckd up | 10:58 |
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| TemeV | e.g. when changing window in irssi, characters from the previous window stayed visible on the places where is blank in the new window | 10:59 |
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| tbr | I'll need to look at fingerterm anyway to add TOHKBD support | 11:05 |
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| tbr | maybe I'll find something, although a bit unlikely | 11:05 |
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| fennekki | fingerterm probably doesn't implement a clear that mosh uses | 11:30 |
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| urs | I tried forcing $TERM to ansi too, didn't seem to help | 11:30 |
| temmi_moo | mosh has troubles when there are several sessions with different sizes | 11:31 |
| fennekki | is it xterm by default | 11:31 |
| temmi_moo | some of the sessions can be dead and hung | 11:31 |
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| urs | ah well, I'll try consecutively ripping out features from the terminfo description until I find a mworks | 11:31 |
| fennekki | pheh | 11:31 |
| urs | err, a minimal one that works | 11:31 |
| Yaniel | I should take a look at fingerterm someday | 11:32 |
| urs | back 7 years ago I did the same for zaTelnet on Windows Mobile, and that served me well | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | getting annoyed at it breaking on full-width chars | 11:32 |
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| Tegu | and freezing sometimes when clicking menu buttons | 11:45 |
| Yaniel | and keys getting stuck | 11:46 |
| Tegu | at least opening links and new windows | 11:46 |
| Tegu | that has started to happen to me nly latelyllllllllllllllllllllllylllllllllllllllllll | 11:46 |
| Tegu | like now | 11:46 |
| Yaniel | yeeeeeeah | 11:47 |
| Yaniel | for me it started with u9 | 11:47 |
| Tegu | didn't update to u9 so only after u10 | 11:47 |
| Yaniel | u10 improved the situation a baaaaaaaaaaaaaiaaaat | 11:47 |
| Tegu | or not :D | 11:48 |
| Yaniel | with u9 I had to slow down a lot while typing because of it | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | lol, happened to me yesterday | 11:48 |
| Yaniel | now I can mostly type at normal speed again | 11:48 |
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| urs | Ah, when using irssi in screen in mosh, fingerterm prints to its stderr: [D] Terminal::ansiSequence:931 - unhandled ansi sequence 'X' (20) "" | 14:05 |
| urs | which, according to xterm's terminfo, is "ech", erase characters. | 14:05 |
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| tbr | urs: file a ticket or send pull requests - https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm :) | 14:08 |
| urs | yep, scrolling through the source right now. | 14:09 |
| urs | First of all, I'm going to test if a simplified terminfo helps. | 14:09 |
| Waitee | anyone using pebbled? | 14:10 |
| Waitee | how do i upload apps to my pebble? :D which folder do i put the .pbw files? :S | 14:10 |
| urs | ok, http://urs.nerd2nerd.org/fingerterm.ti actually helps | 14:12 |
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| cityoflights2 | does sailos use pulse audio? | 15:04 |
| Nightmare__ | https://twitter.com/SituationsApp/status/550303252760518656 | 15:05 |
| Morpog_PC | omg omg omg :D | 15:05 |
| Morpog_PC | nice | 15:06 |
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| Nightmare__ | :) | 15:07 |
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| Yaniel | cityoflights2: sailfishos uses pulseaudio yes | 15:40 |
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| Hartzi | Nightmare__: what is that app? | 15:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | Hartzi: it seems like a tasker type app | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | you can program it to do things to your phone depending on triggers | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | like turn on wifi, put on silent mode, open apps .etc | 15:49 |
| Hartzi | okay | 15:49 |
| Hartzi | sounds nice | 15:49 |
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| Tegu | is there a way to disable passsord saving dialogs? | 15:50 |
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| Tegu | in the browser,that is | 15:51 |
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| Nightmare__ | Hartzi: it was a app on symbian3, meego and android to change your current profile and do tasks depending on some triggers like time, location etc. | 16:06 |
| Nightmare__ | http://www.pastillilabs.com/situations | 16:07 |
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| Nightmare__ | had it on my n8, it was really great | 16:08 |
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| * RST38h moos | 17:30 | |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | happy new year in a few hours | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Yeep | 17:30 |
| RST38h | -3:30 and counting | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | how's life treating you? | 17:31 |
| RST38h | variably | 17:31 |
| * RST38h is in Moscow for NY celebrations | 17:31 | |
| Stskeeps | nod | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Are you still in .PL? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | have a son, too | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Ah, congrats =) Any time being left after parental duties? =) | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | not that much | 17:33 |
| RST38h | wink | 17:33 |
| * RST38h seriously considering introducing kids to the "not playing a game unless you have programmed it yourself" | 17:33 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | give a raspberry pi, tell them they can play if they can get it working themselves. :P | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Kids are not stupid, they won't play with a piece of PCB =) | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | or alternatively: https://medium.com/message/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3 | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz | make them the greatest gamers ever by raising them on oldschool games | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm happy with what Duplo enables me to do | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | Ah, you can stick a lot of arduinos into that Duplo! | 17:37 |
| RST38h | r0kk3rz: I am afraid they can't quite figure the difference between good graphics and good gameplay nowadays though | 17:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | agreed, in fact from a gameplay perspective, most of the best modern games have bad graphics | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Also attention spans are waaaay down, even for college graduates. | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | and deliberately so | 17:39 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | Anyone got 2nd TOHLED selling in Finland? | 17:39 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | 2nd hand | 17:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | its probably about time kimmoli did another run of toholeds | 17:57 |
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| kimmoli | i'm taking orders... | 17:58 |
| kimmoli | just that i cant deliver by 4th jan | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | surely you can post one to HK | 18:00 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | I dont want wait | 18:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | lol | 18:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | second hand is ok | 18:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | lol | 18:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | sure, if you can find one | 18:02 |
| temmi_moo | TOHOLED must have tens of watts | 18:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | not as many watts as LETOH | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | also, toholed has a prox sensor, so its off when its in your pocket | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | can somebody explain to me why people use tablets to take photos with? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | because they like to look retarded? | 18:06 |
| temmi_moo | Stskeeps: it looks so cool in selfies to have a gigantic thing in your hands | 18:06 |
| * RST38h looks up TOHOLED, moos involuntarily | 18:06 | |
| RST38h | Second display for Jollaphone? =) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | temmi_moo: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/16/6256729/airvr-attach-your-ipad-directly-to-your-face | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | or better yet | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Isn't iPad designed for rectal application though? | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/27/5850136/fleshlight-launchpad-sex-toy-penetrative-ipad | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Oh, yes, THAT is what I meant | 18:09 |
| temmi_moo | i'm reading that TOHO LED | 18:09 |
| r0kk3rz | TOH OLED, not TOHO LED | 18:09 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | if someone want sell 2nd tohled, contact me in twitter. lol | 18:09 |
| temmi_moo | i know, doesn't matter, i'm still reading it that way | 18:10 |
| temmi_moo | kimmoli: when could i expect delivery of a keybored toh if i ordered it? | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, im not a big fan of the whole TOH prefix or suffix | 18:11 |
| kimmoli | meh, it is TOHOLED | 18:11 |
| temmi_moo | i almost kind of like it, but TOHO is such a strong concept for me | 18:11 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | TOHOLED | 18:11 |
| temmi_moo | http://cdn2.berner.eu/cdn22/h9b/hc9/8967435419678.jpg <- a toho | 18:12 |
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| kimmoli | yes, toho... | 18:13 |
| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla_: so, when it was minus two thousand degrees kelvin just days ago, did you need long underpants or possibly down filled clothes? | 18:13 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | sure. I wear 6 clothes and 3 pants(included underwear) | 18:15 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | kimmoli: any method? | 18:15 |
| temmi_moo | personally i like wool a lot since its warmness dynamic is pretty good | 18:16 |
| temmi_moo | it's possible to dress in a huge lot of wool and tolerate being inside in warmth | 18:16 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | just wear and keep warm, include groves | 18:19 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | but Roviemi is not too cold now | 18:20 |
| temmi_moo | it's warm everywhere | 18:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | hk is the tropics though temmi_moo | 18:46 |
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| temmi_moo | sure is | 18:47 |
| temmi_moo | this is why i told mavica that concept of "warm clothes" mean a bit different thing in finland | 18:47 |
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| mornfall | temmi_moo: wet wool doesn't work very well though, so you need to protect it from moisture | 18:50 |
| temmi_moo | huh? | 18:50 |
| temmi_moo | wool performs wet better than most other textiles do | 18:50 |
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| temmi_moo | cotton is among the very worst in any layer | 18:51 |
| temmi_moo | personally i prefer wool over others but usually have the undermost layer in some modern technical cloth as they don't tickle like most wool does | 18:52 |
| mornfall | it's hard to outperform synthetics these days | 18:52 |
| temmi_moo | well yes and no | 18:52 |
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| temmi_moo | i'm living and outdoorsing in environments where open fire is commonly present, which means i'm quite wary of technical textiles | 18:53 |
| mornfall | (although it isn't entirely cheap, so value per unit of currency may work out in favour of wool) | 18:53 |
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| temmi_moo | wool is very longlasting | 18:54 |
| mornfall | tell that to my sweaters :-P | 18:54 |
| temmi_moo | i've never seen woollen sweater, all i've seen are cotton | 18:56 |
| mornfall | grandmother-knit woolen sweater is almost the norm isn't it? | 18:56 |
| temmi_moo | ahhh i was thinking of something that might be called a college sweater | 18:57 |
| temmi_moo | anyhoo granny-knit wool is the best | 18:59 |
| mornfall | but anyway, traditional textiles are all nice and cozy but in adverse weather, I'd go with mostly-synthetic (polartec, goretex)... I'm not very hardcore for suffering in cold rain or snow... :P | 19:02 |
| mornfall | also, weight is a huge factor when backpacking | 19:02 |
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| temmi_moo | the membranes are not that useful in truly cold | 19:05 |
| temmi_moo | letting sweat out is more useful | 19:05 |
| temmi_moo | so it's more like technical fleeces versus wool | 19:05 |
| mornfall | sure... I don't normally go backpacking when it's freezing though | 19:05 |
| temmi_moo | both are good | 19:05 |
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| mornfall | so rain is a concern (cold rain more so) | 19:05 |
| temmi_moo | getting wet is a bad thing | 19:07 |
| temmi_moo | when outdoorsing in wet weather there's the problem that part of the moisture comes from you and that's more or less okay if the cold and warm wetness don't mix | 19:08 |
| temmi_moo | anyway in rain the humidity is 100% so membranes don't breathe any more than a plastic bag | 19:09 |
| mornfall | although last time we plowed through 3/4 metres of snow, we were pretty glad for waterproof gear... snow melting on your clothes can be a bitch too | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | i need to see finnish cold one of these days | 19:10 |
| temmi_moo | getting wet in snow is what could happen today | 19:10 |
| r0kk3rz | 35C doesnt really count | 19:10 |
| temmi_moo | there's snow and weather is just a bit over zero | 19:10 |
| temmi_moo | all of the snow is wet so you don't need to even let it melt, just plowing in it will wet your pants | 19:11 |
| mornfall | it's -4 here, give or take | 19:11 |
| temmi_moo | where's that? | 19:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | although 5C in helsinki was a bit chilly for an australian :P | 19:11 |
| mornfall | .cz | 19:11 |
| mornfall | last week's projection for this week was almost -15 at night, but that's probably not really happening | 19:12 |
| mornfall | -10 is the lowest in sight, I guess one can live with that :) | 19:12 |
| temmi_moo | :) | 19:13 |
| * mornfall goes back to assembling a 4k-piece puzzle :-) | 19:14 | |
| kimmoli | weather is like bride, white, cold and slippery? | 19:15 |
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| temmi_moo | my bride looks greenish at the moment | 19:15 |
| * kimmoli hides && makes preparations for night | 19:16 | |
| kimmoli | HNY2015 ! | 19:16 |
| temmi_moo | wife is opening a bottle of zacapa rum and pouring | 19:17 |
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| temmi_moo | <3 | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | -20C yesterday | 20:01 |
| RST38h | but warmer today - only -6C right now | 20:02 |
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| oozbooz | kimmoli, "...weather is like bride, white, cold and slippery?" white and cold .. sure, but slippery? um.. | 21:12 |
| oozbooz | HNY 2015 | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | happy new year, finland | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | <futurama>Happy new year!</futurama> | 22:02 |
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| pdanek | Happy new year! | 22:04 |
| Aard | happy arbitrary calendar unit rollover! | 22:04 |
| salyavin | I'm waiting for the next significant UNIX epoch | 22:08 |
| tbr | <futurama>Weeellcome to the woorrrld of tomorrrrow!</futurama> | 22:16 |
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| comradekingu | Where can i correct the norwegian translation? | 22:26 |
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| comradekingu | 1.1.1.27 update should read "samt redigere enkeltforekomster av en tilbakevendende hendelse" not "samt redigere enkelthendelser av en tilbakevendende hendelse" | 22:27 |
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| Aard | comradekingu: in the update text? or in some application? | 22:37 |
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| comradekingu | Aard: in the "wait while we are updating" splashscreen | 22:45 |
| Aard | comradekingu: the one where the device mostly shuts down, and just shows progress bar? | 22:46 |
| comradekingu | yes, except there isnt a progress bar | 22:46 |
| comradekingu | new device, log into store, get os update | 22:46 |
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| comradekingu | if "pull down to install" was accompanied by an arrow downwards ↓ it would be easier for newcomers to grasp what to do | 22:47 |
| comradekingu | with a little - entry above the arrow | 22:48 |
| Aard | comradekingu: you should have learned that part from the startupwizard, though :p | 22:48 |
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| Aard | comradekingu: I filed a bug for our localization team to check your comment | 22:48 |
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| comradekingu | Thats not what im asking, im asking where to correct it myself. Those people dont know what they are doing | 22:49 |
| comradekingu | Now that its downloaded there is a progress bar for the install, before there was just a spinning cube with no indication of progress | 22:49 |
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| Aard | comradekingu: you can't. is more of the norwegian translation broken? | 22:50 |
| comradekingu | its bad all over the place | 22:50 |
| comradekingu | i wouldnt call it broken, it just doesnt appear to be written by a norseman | 22:50 |
| comradekingu | With a good translation you never notice that the device was anything but local, with this you become aware that it wasnt norwegian to begin with | 22:51 |
| Aard | comradekingu: norwegian is one of the few nationalities we don't have in the company (not counting spouses), though the translations were mostly done by an external company | 22:52 |
| comradekingu | Ill do your translations for free | 22:52 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | Happy new year Helsinki | 22:52 |
| Nc_ | now 8 minutes away from the Future part of "Back to the Future 2" ... fuck, somewhere I went and got old | 22:53 |
| Aard | comradekingu: can you query me with an email address? I'll forward it to our l10n head, it'll be up to him to figure out how to get it fixed best | 22:54 |
| pdanek | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | 22:58 |
| pdanek | happy new year | 22:58 |
| pdanek | 2 min earlier | 22:58 |
| pdanek | cuz I go out | 22:58 |
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| jcbjoe | Happy New Year My finnish Brothers and Sisters!! | 23:03 |
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| comradekingu | Godt nyttår | 23:09 |
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| comradekingu | help, i think i set my keyboard to qwertz layout, how to get qwerty? | 23:21 |
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| salyavin | Maybe settings system textinput | 23:25 |
| salyavin | Hope they take you up on free translation | 23:27 |
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| comradekingu | are you also from Norway? | 23:28 |
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| comradekingu | my spacebar says CS i cant hold it to change language | 23:44 |
| comradekingu | stuck on qwertz with no æøå | 23:44 |
| salyavin | No I am not but I think that's great you would help. My phone is actually running an unofficial Japanese translation. | 23:47 |
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| comradekingu | :) | 23:48 |
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| jcbjoe | guys i'm running sailfish os on my nexus 4 and its cool but i really want my jolla .. the only issue is i'm in the USA and if i get it for $329 i will only have 2g data speeds .. what do you guys think ? | 23:59 |
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