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| Struppi222 | btrfs is a supported filesystem for jolla, right? | 00:42 |
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| tiwake | seems so | 00:42 |
| Struppi222 | why does happen then, that if i format my external SD with btrfs, jolla doesnt mount it on start :P | 00:43 |
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| salyavin | It will but you need to modify a file. | 01:04 |
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| Shinryuu | fstab entries? | 01:17 |
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| salyavin | mount-sd.sh | 02:06 |
| salyavin | https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/blob/master/scripts/mount-sd.sh | 02:06 |
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| salyavin | that one in git might work as is. Otherwise read discussions ilke https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92490 | 02:08 |
| salyavin | of course make a copy of your current mount-sd.sh before any modifications or replacements | 02:11 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 08:29 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 08:29 |
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| Andy80 | I've installed and activated the Coderus patch to get the quick settings menu in the notification menu... but even if I've activated the patch it doesn't show... what do I have to do to see it? | 08:30 |
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| gogeta | Andy80, i think you need to select reload servicies | 08:42 |
| gogeta | from main page | 08:42 |
| Andy80 | I've upgraded to 0.0.7 and now I've one more line in patch settings | 08:45 |
| Andy80 | but if I try to start it, it says: fail to install patch | 08:45 |
| Andy80 | but now at least the switches are visible | 08:46 |
| TMavica_Jolla | coderus: here? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: what the devil is that game | 08:47 |
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| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: here | 09:03 |
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| Sidde | god jul! | 09:20 |
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| ivanplatzek | Happy Christmas to you all! | 09:35 |
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| Miski | ooh, I can ssh into my irssi on my phone \o/ | 09:37 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, well, it's a mix of tamagotchi and, well, deers which you can give names :D | 09:38 |
| Morpog_PC | btw my locusf deer and coderus deer "made" another deer which I called sledges :D | 09:38 |
| Miski | Does anyone have any suggestions for a good password manager for Jolla? | 09:38 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: :) | 09:38 |
| friese | Morpog_PC: they can make babies? sweeeet! mine always die though - damn hungry these moose | 09:38 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to feed them properly | 09:39 |
| Morpog_PC | older deers get more wise and need less food btw | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: you're reaally bored | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:39 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: the screenshot looks liked a racing game, where you was beating coderus but out-raced by Stskeeps | 09:39 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm on vacation :) | 09:39 |
| SK_work | the guy who coded this is quite good | 09:39 |
| friese | well, you could race your moose, i've got one that walks faster than the others :) | 09:40 |
| Morpog_PC | SK_work, nah, you need to install it, it awesome, there even is a deer running around on the cover | 09:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | yeah, those deers got different characters | 09:40 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: I installed it | 09:41 |
| SK_work | it is cute | 09:41 |
| Morpog_PC | most creative game I seen on sailfishos yet :D | 09:42 |
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| friese | i don't know, i quite like heebo and tappr - though chro.mono also isn't bad | 09:42 |
| Morpog_PC | I haven't said those other games are bad :) | 09:43 |
| Morpog_PC | I quite like that there are lots of games lately for sailfishos | 09:43 |
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| friese | yeah, and most have simple, minimalist graphics (and smooth thanks to qtquick ;) ), quite like those | 09:44 |
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| tadzik | heh, I woke up to my jolla slowly blinking red and refusing to boot up | 09:55 |
| tadzik | turns out it was connected overnight to the not-always-on usb port, and the blinking meant "you won't believe how empty my battery is" | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | still refusing to? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:55 |
| tadzik | it now shows 1% charge | 09:55 |
| Nightmare__ | Has anyone experienced a strange bug when settings app ist functioning fine except for the sounds page (not opening)? | 09:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | works here Nightmare__ | 10:03 |
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| SK_work | Nightmare__: devel-su --privileged | 10:08 |
| SK_work | then jolla-settings | 10:09 |
| SK_work | and look at output from qml | 10:09 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | i just missed the volume slider bar | 10:10 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: after installing my last patch - yes :) | 10:20 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: i'd like to look at jolla-settings log from terminal also | 10:20 |
| coderus | SK_work: i received weird screenshot from TMavica: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5dkcr9lljahtx3/20141224120458.jpg?dl=0 | 10:21 |
| coderus | look at this | 10:21 |
| coderus | qml file cropped | 10:21 |
| coderus | patchmanager bug? | 10:22 |
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| SK_work | coderus: ask him for logs in /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt.log | 10:26 |
| SK_work | quite weired | 10:26 |
| SK_work | can tMavica and Nightmare__ disable the patch for slider fix | 10:27 |
| SK_work | ? | 10:27 |
| coderus | SK_work: yes | 10:27 |
| coderus | SK_work: well, it seems fingerterm/cat bug, same output on clean device: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lyzluta3idijsx7/20141224122210.jpg?dl=0 | 10:28 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i havent enable slider fix in patchmanager | 10:31 |
| SK_work | coderus: :D | 10:31 |
| SK_work | weired | 10:31 |
| SK_work | where do you miss the volume slider ? | 10:31 |
| TMavica_Jolla | in event view | 10:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | just have brigjtness | 10:33 |
| SK_work | TMavica_Jolla: known issue | 10:34 |
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| coderus | SK_work: it's another patch ;) | 10:37 |
| SK_work | coderus: how do you put the settings component ? | 10:38 |
| SK_work | don't you use Jolla ones ? | 10:38 |
| SK_work | the fact is that you cannot use some components inside lipsick managed windows | 10:38 |
| SK_work | managed qml pages | 10:38 |
| SK_work | and I don't know why | 10:38 |
| coderus | SK_work: what you talking about? | 10:41 |
| SK_work | coderus: any patch putting the sound slider inside lipstick | 10:41 |
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| coderus | SK_work: it's working for me | 10:53 |
| coderus | and i have no idea wh it's not working on your phones :D | 10:53 |
| SK_work | coderus: weired | 10:53 |
| SK_work | maybe it has been a long time | 10:53 |
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| coderus | SK_work: http://i.imgur.com/f1fAzFE.png | 10:54 |
| Nightmare__ | Error from terminal: type VolumeSlider unaviable | 10:54 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: cat /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml | 10:55 |
| SK_work | coderus: thanks | 10:55 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: and send screenshot please | 10:55 |
| SK_work | Nightmare__: the only error ? | 10:55 |
| SK_work | isn't there more ? | 10:55 |
| Nightmare__ | ProfileControl is not a type | 10:55 |
| Nightmare__ | thats all | 10:55 |
| SK_work | isn't there something under VolumeSlider unavailable ? | 10:56 |
| SK_work | line number error ? | 10:56 |
| Nightmare__ | o ne moment, i'll try it over ssh and post it | 10:56 |
| SK_work | Nightmare__: please, thank you | 10:56 |
| SK_work | Nightmare__: did you enabled slider fix patch ? | 10:56 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: do you able to edit /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml file if i give you instructions? | 10:57 |
| SK_work | coderus: he can repair it easily via a zypper in -f jolla-settings I guess | 10:58 |
| SK_work | or jolla-settings-something | 10:58 |
| coderus | SK_work: sure | 10:58 |
| coderus | SK_work: i want to make it working :) | 10:58 |
| Nightmare__ | http://pastebin.com/1fCWRbWL | 10:59 |
| SK_work | coderus: :) | 10:59 |
| Nightmare__ | coderus: sure | 10:59 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: show full file first | 10:59 |
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| SK_work | profile control | 11:00 |
| SK_work | weired | 11:00 |
| coderus | SK_work: easy | 11:00 |
| SK_work | coderus: ha ? | 11:00 |
| SK_work | ok | 11:00 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: devel-su; nano /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/sounds/VolumeSlider.qml | 11:01 |
| Nightmare__ | have to install nano | 11:01 |
| coderus | pkcon install nano | 11:02 |
| Nightmare__ | http://pastebin.com/FGmxCkuh | 11:02 |
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| Nightmare__ | i can restore the backup from patchmanager | 11:03 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: replace ProfileControl { with Profile { | 11:03 |
| Nightmare__ | works | 11:06 |
| Nightmare__ | but it's in english instead of german :D | 11:06 |
| Nightmare__ | all fine | 11:06 |
| coderus | cool | 11:06 |
| Nightmare__ | thx | 11:06 |
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| coderus | eventsview missing settings translations obviously | 11:07 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: thanks, will release update soon | 11:07 |
| Nightmare__ | that translation bug was only when started over shh, starte with ui it's ok | 11:07 |
| Nightmare__ | started | 11:07 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: i mean | 11:08 |
| coderus | in eventsview | 11:08 |
| coderus | volume slider | 11:08 |
| coderus | translation ok? | 11:08 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 11:09 |
| coderus | cool then :) | 11:10 |
| Nightmare__ | btw whats "maximum lis rows"? sliders? | 11:11 |
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| Nightmare__ | list | 11:11 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: now change back to ProfileClient | 11:12 |
| coderus | unapply patch | 11:12 |
| coderus | and update to 0.0.9: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 11:12 |
| Nightmare__ | thx for that eventsview patch, it't great with the settings | 11:12 |
| coderus | apply new patch and check volume slider | 11:12 |
| Nightmare__ | ok | 11:12 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: there is two group of favs in settings: grid with buttons, and list with sliders | 11:13 |
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| Nightmare__ | i see | 11:13 |
| coderus | so you can choose how many items rows to display in eventsview | 11:13 |
| coderus | you can show only brightness slider | 11:13 |
| coderus | or both brightness and volume | 11:13 |
| coderus | or nothing | 11:13 |
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| coderus | SK_work: look at my eventsview patch | 11:16 |
| Nightmare__ | works just fine, as i can see | 11:16 |
| coderus | i fixed transfers window and volume slider | 11:16 |
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| coderus | using changed FavoritesZone component, not system, with customization features :) | 11:17 |
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| Nightmare__ | btw mobiledata switch is greyed out in eventsview, but not in settings | 11:18 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: yep | 11:19 |
| coderus | but | 11:19 |
| coderus | hm | 11:19 |
| coderus | i didn't published fix for that in my patch? | 11:20 |
| coderus | hm, wait 0.0.10 then :D | 11:20 |
| Nightmare__ | :D | 11:20 |
| SK_work | coderus: hehe :) | 11:20 |
| Nightmare__ | it's not that importent for me :D | 11:20 |
| SK_work | I thik that I will merge this one and get rid of the old hack | 11:21 |
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| coderus | can you show me original /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/mobilenetworking/DataConnection.qml file? | 11:22 |
| coderus | i missed to make diff | 11:22 |
| coderus | i thought i did that :O | 11:22 |
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| coderus | nobody? :D | 11:28 |
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| kimmoli | XMAS CONTEST ! WIN FREE TOHOLED IN 1 MINUTE | 11:31 |
| kimmoli | FASTEST ANSWER (WHO HAS NO TOHOLED ALREADY) WINS | 11:31 |
| coderus | ok | 11:31 |
| teve | coderus: http://www.puuppa.org/~teve/DataConnection.qml | 11:31 |
| anonfriese | yay :) | 11:31 |
| coderus | kimmoli: :D | 11:32 |
| anonfriese | damn... | 11:32 |
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| anonfriese | i should not have written that smiley ;) | 11:32 |
| coderus | whoooooo... who is always online IRC? :D | 11:32 |
| kimmoli | coderus is excluded (i count you have one already (soonTM)) | 11:32 |
| coderus | :D | 11:32 |
| coderus | D: | 11:32 |
| anonfriese | :) | 11:32 |
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| coderus_is_exclu | okay... | 11:32 |
| gexc | LOL | 11:33 |
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| coderus_excluded | ok | 11:33 |
| kimmoli | QUESTION COMES HERE | 11:33 |
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| anonfriese | coderus_excluded: /nick not_coderus ;) | 11:33 |
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| coderus_no_hurry | :D | 11:35 |
| kimmoli | Which The OtherHalf is mentioned in FINNISH lyrics of Rudolph the reindeer (Petteri Punakuono) ? | 11:35 |
| coderus_no_hurry | omg :D | 11:35 |
| anonfriese | uuh, hard one :) | 11:35 |
| anonfriese | damn, if only i knew finnish ;) | 11:35 |
| coderus_no_hurry | red nose? :D | 11:36 |
| anonfriese | wild guess: toholed? ;) | 11:36 |
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| kimmoli | coderus_no_hurry: discualified | 11:36 |
| coderus_no_hurry | :D | 11:36 |
| kimmoli | ok. no correct answers. | 11:36 |
| kimmoli | game over | 11:36 |
| iotRF | lighthouse? | 11:37 |
| anonfriese | so, what was it? | 11:37 |
| kimmoli | next irc channel | 11:37 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | probably lumikki(snow white) | 11:40 |
| kimmoli | HarhaanJohtaja: correct answer, too late :( | 11:41 |
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| anonfriese | if only my translator were faster... | 11:43 |
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| anonfriese | but hey, i learned a new word - slow but steady ;) | 11:43 |
| coderus | teve: thanks | 11:44 |
| Morpog_PC | my deer horde is growing :) http://abload.de/img/201412241245550msw0.png | 11:47 |
| anonfriese | nice - how'd you get the christmas hats? | 11:49 |
| Morpog_PC | they appeared auto, I dunno :) | 11:49 |
| the_mgt | what is that? | 11:50 |
| Morpog_PC | Pixl | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | can you continue where you left off in the game? | 11:50 |
| Morpog_PC | check Jolla store | 11:50 |
| Morpog_PC | yes Nicd- | 11:50 |
| the_mgt | will do, thanks | 11:50 |
| the_mgt | anybody here using the pebble app? does smoku's 0.13 release include the stuff jarvis pedro did? (what they are talking about in the tmo thread) | 11:51 |
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| anonfriese | damn, my moose are all in one corner and the fast one are eating all the food, so the slow one gets nothing :( | 11:52 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: check v0.0.10 https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 11:53 |
| coderus | mobile switch should be fixed :) | 11:53 |
| coderus | SK_work: ^ | 11:54 |
| Nightmare__ | coderus: great work | 12:01 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: working? | 12:01 |
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| Nightmare__ | yes | 12:02 |
| coderus | cool :) | 12:02 |
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| coderus | SailfishOS Eventsview controls patch updated to v0.0.10. Fixed mobile networking switch! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 12:12 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus: i edited your patch to have 6 switches in 1 row, i like it mor to have smaller icons | 12:17 |
| Nightmare__ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h2ivx1dcyr3sdl/20141224131533%5B1%5D.png?dl=0 | 12:18 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: ok, i can make it editable also :D | 12:19 |
| Nightmare__ | that would be even cooler :D | 12:20 |
| Nightmare__ | all i did was edit all your "4" to 6 and add a scale:0.66 to delegate item | 12:21 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: finally started using the patch yesterday, thanks a lot! :) | 12:25 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: is scale necessary? | 12:31 |
| coderus | it looks so small with scale | 12:31 |
| Nightmare__ | without scale it was cut | 12:32 |
| Nightmare__ | you're more into qml than i, so just try :D | 12:33 |
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| Nightmare__ | with scale it looks like on the screenshot i posted above | 12:35 |
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| coderus | Nightmare__: well ,you did it wrong then | 12:39 |
| coderus | its not cut for me with no scale | 12:39 |
| Nightmare__ | quite possible | 12:40 |
| Nightmare__ | maybe i forget some size settings to change or similiar | 12:40 |
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| SK_work | coderus: nice :) | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: this is terrible: http://maverisk.wordpress.com/2014/12/23/golden-oldie-pic-of-the-day-14/ , but somehow relevant to the tmo thread | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | of course we all know that within that shiny exterior, the car is made up of cow feces, but.. | 13:06 |
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| M4rtinK | well, as long as both get the Job done :) | 13:12 |
| M4rtinK | for the record I have a couple servers in vegetable crates - provides superior cooling, modularity, scalability, mobility & maintenance access :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:15 |
| M4rtinK | and no need for a nasty closed hardware case :) | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | download speeds never cease to amaze me.. | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i'm 5 meters from my wifi; and it gets much faster speed to download than the computer -and- server that's sitting on LAN with my router | 13:15 |
| coderus | LTE wifi? | 13:16 |
| coderus | :D | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | no, boring 54mbps wifi | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | I guess those new fancy N+ stuff can do that | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | weird | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | I get like ~2MBs | 13:16 |
| M4rtinK | on g wifi (Asus 500gp V1) | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | even when really close | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: dodgy switch | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | ? | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ggabriel: i'm pondering dodgy point i'm downloading from | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | since it is fast in other circumstances | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | ah, so internet speed problem then | 13:19 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps hi | 13:27 |
| SK_work | you tweeted about security vs hackability to call for discussion, but I would like to have more information about what's done now, and the UEFI thing | 13:28 |
| SK_work | for example, what prevents Jolla / us to provide the recovery feature found on phone on the Jolla tablet ? | 13:29 |
| SK_work | in the recovery that is password protected, you can lock / unlock device, so that you can have it safe or not | 13:29 |
| tbr | SK_work: my take on what you mention is, that the other is a custom boot loader on ARM, while this is a intel EDK2 based UEFI+firmware+x | 13:30 |
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| tbr | so things are not directly portable, might as well spend some time discussing if it's the right thing and figure out how things will work as the underlying mechanics are a bit different | 13:30 |
| SK_work | tbr: I guess so, but I don't know what uefi allows us to do or not | 13:30 |
| ender| | isn't UEFI almost an OS on it's own? | 13:31 |
| tbr | it's fairly powerful, yes | 13:31 |
| tbr | IIRC the EDK2 is open source (with some blobs) | 13:32 |
| tbr | if you want to look at things, follow down the minnowboard-max rabbit hole | 13:32 |
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| tbr | one could of course toss it out for coreboot, but I think that might be a bit too far just now. ;) | 13:32 |
| ggabriel | isn't uefi just uefi? :) i.e., it'll load some file somewhere in a specific way etc etc | 13:32 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to [insert here the custom arm bootloaders that are out there] | 13:33 |
| SK_work | I don't know coreboot either | 13:33 |
| tbr | ggabriel: yes, but it can also be modified, just like the arm loaders | 13:33 |
| ender| | uefi lets you run programs compiled for it | 13:33 |
| SK_work | but it looks like uefi is pretty rigid | 13:33 |
| ender| | i used firmware updaters that ran straight from the uefi shell | 13:33 |
| gogeta | giucam, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-recorder so now we can record ui ? | 13:34 |
| tbr | in addition to the UEFI shell there is also the firmware (you could call it BIOS) | 13:34 |
| SK_work | if uefi can be customized to have strict mode (only signed kernels from Jolla are enabled) and relaxed mode (any kernel is allowed) this could be nice | 13:34 |
| SK_work | both safe and secure, you select what you want | 13:34 |
| giucam | gogeta: kinda. that's only an example client | 13:34 |
| giucam | wihch dumps bmps | 13:34 |
| ender| | also, uefi includes a VM that lets you run programs compiled for that VM to run on any architecture | 13:34 |
| SK_work | wait what ? | 13:34 |
| SK_work | vm ? | 13:34 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: +1, it could be similar to the current lock/unlock bootloader of the jolla | 13:34 |
| tbr | SK_work: yes, that's part of the whole EFI keys and security story, the question is how to do /that/ properly | 13:35 |
| ender| | they call it something else, but it's basically a vm - kind of like jvm | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: basically that you can just railroad in a custom os of your own by flipping a few switches in uefi settings | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | which is nice of course | 13:35 |
| ender| | this allows you to have an UEFI ROM on an expansion card, and it'll work regardless of architecture | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | but not nice when your company emails are easily exposed, or easily tricked into delivering the unlock code.. | 13:36 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: there is no security at this level ? | 13:38 |
| SK_work | having lock code here was nice on the Jolla | 13:38 |
| SK_work | a bit like "unlock = wipe data" on android, it protects userdata | 13:38 |
| SK_work | we could add a number of trials before having the device to reset to facto image | 13:39 |
| ender| | eg. the pretty old LSI 106Xe controllers have x86 and EBC ROMs available, and if you flash an EBC rom, it'll run on x86 and x64 machines (and IA64 and Arm if you find an Arm machine that allows for expansion cards) | 13:39 |
| ender| | (EBC = EFI Bytecode) | 13:39 |
| aard_ | ender|: iirc they had place for 3 different images, and you could flash one or more of them. the additional bit was basically just an initialization routine for the main card firmware and linking to the machines firmware | 13:41 |
| ender| | yes, main firmware, BIOS ROM and UEFI ROM | 13:42 |
| aard_ | + openboot | 13:42 |
| aard_ | main firmware was the big part, bios/uefi/openboot just smallish initializers | 13:43 |
| * aard_ had several of those cards, in the hp-branding variant which was pretty cheap to get, but only came with x86 firmware. by flashing a few bytes of openboot glue they'd become bootable on sparc machines | 13:44 | |
| dunp | Stskeeps, http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/tesla-model-s-ethernet-network-explored-possible-jailbreak-in-the-future | 13:44 |
| aard_ | just dropped them half a year ago since they can't handle drives bigger than about 2.3TB | 13:44 |
| tadzik | damn this Moose game is funny | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | SK_work: adding a lock code to enter uefi settings would be nice | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | but i can't figure out how to do it when flashing yet | 13:47 |
| tadzik | now where's its sourcecode | 13:47 |
| tadzik | ah, found it | 13:47 |
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| ender| | certain HP laptops ask for a code to be entered when you disable secureboot (and those that have a touchscreen, let you enter it through the touchscreen) | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | would indeed like touch interface | 13:48 |
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| ender| | i've got a cheap Prestigio x86 tablet here, it has a fairly normal AMI UEFI firmware (which I haven't figured out yet how to enter without keyboard, or without using Reboot to UEFI in Windows), but once you're in, it responds to touch (even if it's really hard to actually hit what you want with your finger, because the settings are crammed together too much) | 13:51 |
| ender| | (HP tablets let you get in UEFI setup by holding down the volume down button during POST) | 13:51 |
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| Stskeeps | ender|: yeah, that's basically it (volume button doing POST) | 13:56 |
| ender| | not on this Prestigio | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | of course you might argue that a laptop is just as likely to be stolen.. | 13:57 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: what about a key on the micro SD card ? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK | just make it check the card for the key and only proceed if it is valid | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | well, my laptop has [almost] full hd encryption... if you steal it, feel free to install win7 and use it | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | but at least you don't get access to my data | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK | could be a predetermined GUID & something like key.txt in the root of the partition | 14:02 |
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| M4rtinK | and make it output the key only after typing in the unlock code | 14:03 |
| ender| | password-protected HDs are fun - with some models it's impossible to use the disk without knowing the password, which is a bit of a problem when the user forgets it | 14:03 |
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| M4rtinK | like this no one can easily get the "uefi unlock" key without knowing the device lock key | 14:04 |
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| ggabriel | ender|: pfff, users, who needs them ;-) | 14:04 |
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| ender| | it's even worse when the user dies | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK | ender|: I don't thin anyone seriously uses the (unverifiable) built-in hdd encryption, but LUKS & co | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK | *think | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | i use luks fwiw, but in my case data >> value of laptop | 14:05 |
| ender| | M4rtinK: i've seen quite a few corporate laptops with HDD password | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | and it isn't straightforward to do the same thing on a mobile device | 14:05 |
| ender| | i personally use loop-aes on linux and truecrypt on windows | 14:05 |
| M4rtinK | ggabriel: well, other than the need for an onscreen keyboard I should be more or less the same | 14:06 |
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| ggabriel | M4rtinK: in the case of the tablet, it seems so; in the case of the jolla, i wouldn't know | 14:06 |
| M4rtinK | sure, much easier on a device with AES acceleration & UEFI | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | oh, true, almost forgot about perf implications | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | on heavy IO I notice that 1/4 of one core is doing cryptic stuff | 14:07 |
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| SK_work | M4rtinK: about key on SD, you need to generate the key | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: sure | 14:09 |
| SK_work | or is this a key to be able to login to the uefi ? | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: that's the idea | 14:09 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: and what if the thief steals the device with sd card in ? | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | so you generate the key only if dev mode on etc etc | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: then you are stupid :) | 14:09 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: meh | 14:09 |
| SK_work | password is good too | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | you shoot the thief in the back while he runs away? | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: equvalent of taping your OTP token to your laptop | 14:10 |
| SK_work | but 2 factor auth with sd + pw could be nice | 14:10 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: true | 14:10 |
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| ggabriel | i think vkb is key at this stage | 14:10 |
| M4rtinK | I see 3 ways of getting the key: shipping it with the Jolla (can get lost), having an online service (might get shutdown/be inaccessible) or generating it locally after inputting device lock code | 14:11 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: locally would be nice imo | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | how about allowing only signed images to boot? | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | and users/devs get a way to sign their images? | 14:11 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: I guess that's the idea | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | ggabriel: that should be possible out of the box | 14:12 |
| SK_work | the problem is to prevent *anybody* to do this | 14:12 |
| SK_work | otherwise, security is affected | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | secure boot has this basically built in, you add your own keys and BAM, it works | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | i guess the signature would be unique per device and not global | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: no lock code -> no uefi code -> can't install mallware to get lock code -> can't get uefi code | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | sooo, then 1. dev mode on; 2. generate key; 3. you save the key somewhere safe; 4. use the key to sign images for that device only | 14:13 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: ? | 14:13 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: yeah | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | but if you lose the key, you're done | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | that sounds reasonable to me | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | ggabriel: what I mean is basically a password to enter the UEFI menu | 14:14 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: regenerate the key ? | 14:14 |
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| ggabriel | ok, i'm unsure what you do in the uefi menu | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | then in the menu you can import trusted signing keys or turn of secure boot, etc. | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | what you _can_ do, rather | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | ummm | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | you can access uefi from sailfish surely, right? | 14:14 |
| * ggabriel thinking about not allowing access to the uefi menu | 14:15 | |
| M4rtinK | having a per device signing key would be rather limiting | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | altho with a vkb it'd be easy to protect | 14:15 |
| M4rtinK | think about the Nemo project and other alternative distros | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | true | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | you need to know how to sign your image | 14:15 |
| M4rtinK | they need to have an easy guide (how to disable secure boot/add your key) | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | ok, got it, maybe not the best idea | 14:15 |
| M4rtinK | so it needs to be both secure & still doable to moderately technical users | 14:16 |
| M4rtinK | in my opinion | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | then i'd lock/unlock uefi from within sailfish | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | so if you want a period in which you want to load whatever image, you just open it up | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | sailfish won't let you change uefi without lock code | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | and then it's up to you to lock uefi when you go out on a sat night and get super drunk | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | uefi won't load anything that isn't signed and so on | 14:17 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's basically the idea | 14:20 |
| M4rtinK | you will probably want to have it locked by default | 14:20 |
| M4rtinK | so that Sailfish/Jolla is not trashed in the media as being unsecure by default | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | yup | 14:21 |
| M4rtinK | but you should be able to securely disable it when you want to | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | so the key is how well sailfish can access uefi on that device | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | then the bootloader is your oyster | 14:21 |
| M4rtinK | so that Sailfish/Jolla is not trashed in other media for being more closed than even Windows 8 tablets :) | 14:21 |
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| M4rtinK | ggabriel: well if OEMs can put animated blinking stars in the UEFI menu background, then I think this should be trivial in comparison :) | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | dunno, never played with uefi; or rather, played as little as possible as it's very frustrating :P | 14:23 |
| M4rtinK | on of the boards I have has full mouse support in the menu and can even update firmware over the internet if you want to | 14:23 |
| M4rtinK | so I would say that the environment is probably much less limited than the BIOS one and more full featured and more easily customizable | 14:23 |
| M4rtinK | at least hopefully :) | 14:24 |
| ender| | ASRock boards have a remote control option in their UEFI if you call them for help :) | 14:24 |
| M4rtinK | and of course this: http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/09/24/0720238/boot-to-zork | 14:25 |
| M4rtinK | of course, that outside the menu proper, but still kinda relevant :) | 14:25 |
| ender| | i've also seen some MSI boards that have a webbrowser integrated | 14:25 |
| dunp | ssh to uefi or linux kernel direct :) | 14:26 |
| ender| | you can compile the linux kernel as UEFI application | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can instruct to boot into uefi settings from linux side indeed | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | or switch boot order, etc | 14:27 |
| dunp | http://kroah.com/log/blog/2013/09/02/booting-a-self-signed-linux-kernel/ | 14:27 |
| ender| | yeah, there's an interface to the firmware accessible from the OS | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://linux.die.net/man/8/efibootmgr | 14:27 |
| ender| | you can also screw up the UEFI boot manager to not let you enter the UEFI setup :) | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 14:31 |
| dunp | dm-crypt and UEFI secure boot.. and disable "ms certification" :) | 14:33 |
| coderus | hm, really android google chrome now working on jolla :) | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | ender|: how? | 14:34 |
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| ender| | UEFI setup is one of the bootmgr entries, and you can overwrite/remove it | 14:35 |
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| coderus | Eventsview patch v0.0.11 released. Added settings to choose icons columns count. https://openrepos.net/content/coderu...ettings-applet | 14:38 |
| dunp | 404 | 14:38 |
| kimmoli | i consider installing when it reaches 2.0.0 | 14:39 |
| tadzik | the ... looks suspiscious :) | 14:40 |
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| Andy80 | I'm not able to uninstall/disable this patch https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 14:57 |
| Andy80 | I disable it, it disappears... then I go in settings again and it's still there | 14:57 |
| Andy80 | I also tried to uninstall it | 14:58 |
| tadzik | I have the same with mazelock | 14:58 |
| Andy80 | when I click on it, the patch manager says it's been uninstalled... and it's correct... but then why it's sti;; there? | 14:58 |
| SK_work | I think I know this bug ... | 14:58 |
| SK_work | yes | 14:58 |
| SK_work | it has a failure to be uninstalled | 14:58 |
| tadzik | I remember once solving it for some other patch by removing files from the FS | 14:58 |
| SK_work | https://trello.com/b/U3QcWitB/sk-s-kanban-board | 14:58 |
| SK_work | ^ in my task list | 14:58 |
| SK_work | because it picks the wrong path to perform uninstall operation | 14:59 |
| Andy80 | should I remove it manually? | 14:59 |
| Andy80 | I just wanted to upgrade it,.. but if I don't disable it first, it doesn't let me uninstall it... | 15:00 |
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| SK_work | Andy80: reinstall the same version | 15:01 |
| SK_work | remove and uninstall | 15:01 |
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| Andy80 | SK_work: uninstalling from Warehouse doesn't remove it from the settings | 15:23 |
| Andy80 | now in Warehouse I see the new version 0.0.11 but I can't install it | 15:23 |
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| BasilSemuonov__ | Andy80, re-open application page | 15:26 |
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| Andy80 | which application? settings or wharehouse? | 15:26 |
| Andy80 | in wharehouse I get Transaction error/1135_ecbcbabc | 15:27 |
| BasilSemuonov__ | Andy80, in warehuose. Error description shows you the cause of error | 15:29 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | the eventview, the internet connection show grey but inside setting is not | 15:39 |
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| Yaniel | eventview as in lockscreen? | 15:44 |
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| coderus | SailfishOS Eventsview controls patch updated to v0.0.12. Fixed Sailfish bugs and added one more option. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet | 15:52 |
| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: latest should fix that. restart lipstick. | 15:53 |
| TMavica_Jolla | ok | 15:53 |
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| Andy80 | BasilSemuonov__: I try again... but I don't know how to fix the error... | 16:24 |
| Andy80 | BasilSemuonov__: it says: internal-error, Installation aborted by user. | 16:25 |
| Andy80 | that is not true... I don't abort anything | 16:25 |
| Andy80 | so I'm stuck in a loop... I can't disable, I can't uninstall, I can't reinstall | 16:26 |
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| falfa | oh, sounds like my life. | 16:38 |
| TMavica_Jolla | merry chritmas | 16:38 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | o still not yet here. lol | 16:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | TMavica_Jolla: not yet, is for my friends in australia | 16:51 |
| TMavica_Jolla | Hong kong too | 16:51 |
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| Andy80 | BasilSemuonov__: any idea how I can unlock this situation? Maybe I've to manually delete the patch... but I don't know how | 16:53 |
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| tiwake | anyone try to polish off scratches from the glass surface of the phone? | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: the glass is already quite thin | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | polishing it will make it thinner | 17:40 |
| tiwake | what is the thickness anyway? | 17:41 |
| tbr | if it's coated, that will go ugly | 17:41 |
| tiwake | and yeah, it would remove the coating, if any | 17:41 |
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| tiwake | most of the time the coating is an anti-glare and/or letting light pass through the glass better with less reflected light | 17:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | i didnt think smartphones were usually coated | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | the glass is usually thin enough to not refract too much light | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | and constant rubbing of the screen would polish most coatings off anyway | 17:56 |
| tiwake | donno... I would think the coating would wear off anyway with how much it gets handled | 17:56 |
| tiwake | yeah | 17:56 |
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| Waitee | merry christmas :) | 18:22 |
| Waitee | any idea how to load apps to pebble from my jolla? | 18:22 |
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| urs | Yay, my jolla arrived just in time for christmas! | 20:29 |
| urs | Is this channel an OK place to ask the newbie questions you can expect from somebody who just unpacked his phone? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | sure, this is community channel | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | first things first: upgrade your phone as soon as possible and re-run tutorial | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| urs | ah, excellent idea | 20:32 |
| urs | upgraded right away, but haven't re-done the tutorial | 20:32 |
| tango_ | can anybody, confirm that the latest android version of simon tatham puzzles collection is extremely unstable in the jolla? apk available for download from here https://chris.boyle.name/projects/android-puzzles/ | 20:33 |
| tango_ | (of course a ntive port would be so much better... there used to be one for the N900) | 20:34 |
| SQUelcher | ursurs! | 20:37 |
| urs | hey SQU :) | 20:37 |
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| SQUelcher | i've learned the jolla gestures in no time, but i guess now i can't use another smartphone anymore ;) | 20:40 |
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| urs | If I want a plain black wallpaper... do I need to upload a 1x1px black image to turn it into an ambience? | 20:41 |
| coderus | urs: try and tell us :) | 20:44 |
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| kimmoli | THE most usefull app uploaded to Harbour QA... wait for it, or install from mer-obs | 21:11 |
| aard_ | hey SQUelcher | 21:14 |
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| mdxth | kimmoli, tell us more? | 21:15 |
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| kimmoli | mdxth: just play sherlock and find it... | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | "usefull" - in Ninja category | 21:18 |
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| mdxth | kimmoli, just watching new sherlock... so will be easy task :) | 21:19 |
| urs | ok, a 1x1px black png file doesn't seem to work as an ambience. In fact, it doesn't even show up in the gallery. | 21:19 |
| mdxth | urs, install paint and create black image :) | 21:19 |
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| urs | I just created that with gimp. | 21:19 |
| SQUelcher | hi aard | 21:20 |
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| aard_ | SQUelcher: thanks for contributing to my salary :) | 21:21 |
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| SQUelcher | aard_: you're welcome ;) | 21:22 |
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| urs | Also, a properly-sized (540x1600) png doesn't show up properly in the gallery. | 21:34 |
| coderus | urs: problems with your gallery | 21:36 |
| coderus | not with your images :) | 21:36 |
| urs | so, uhm... what do I do? All I want is a black background. | 21:38 |
| urs | Also, when I say "create ambience", nothing happens. | 21:39 |
| urs | Are there any special constraints as to what images the gallery app can display? | 21:42 |
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| coderus | gallery displays everything you put in pictures folder | 21:43 |
| urs | I know. But it doesn't seem to be able to display the png files I put there | 21:47 |
| urs | including one example ambience (from http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/how-to-make-ambiance-wallpapers-for-sailfish-bonus/) | 21:47 |
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| raa700 | i made a bit bigger all black image and it worked fine, but that was a update or 8 ago | 22:01 |
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| SQUelcher | urs: 1x1 black png is working here | 22:06 |
| r0kk3rz | theres mostly black high contrast ones that are pretty good | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | just enough colour so you can pick the menu colours easily | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | http://www.allboutn9.info/2014/06/tourmaline-high-contrast-ambiances.html | 22:11 |
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| urs | The gallery thing doesn't display any images I copy into the pictures folder for me. It just says "Oops, cannot display thumbnail" | 22:24 |
| urs | but permissions of the files are identical to the images created by the camera. | 22:24 |
| urs | It also seems to be unable to delete them. | 22:24 |
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| urs | Ah, if I put the pictures into my homedir and *don't* move them into pictures, then it works. | 22:31 |
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| urs | And with that, the 1x1px black png works nicely. | 22:33 |
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