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Stskeepsgood morning and merry $INSERT_HOLIDAY_OF_TODAY_IF_ANY08:01
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tbrStskeeps: merry easter and happy new gear08:02
chronizDoes anyone still have a factory image of jolla-sailfish-1.0.8.21.img left or link08:03
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Stskeepstbr: i think i'm forbidden to receive more gadgets until i clear out my cupboard..08:04
tbr;)08:04
tbrchroniz: no such thing in public.08:05
Stskeepsnot after piratebay was shut down, no08:05
Stskeeps:P08:05
tbrheh08:05
Stskeepsi wonder how many would pay for a 'get a device that's easily reflashable'08:05
Stskeepsand switched over to ext4 instead08:06
tbrStskeeps: with that binary garbage partition mandated by android, we might be getting closer though?08:06
chronizDang, guess I'm without Jolla for good during the next 2 - 3 weeks08:06
chronizThanks anyway08:07
tbrchroniz: what are you trying to do?08:07
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chroniztbr, trying to fix fs for 1.1.1.27. Phone is now bricked for good, recovery mode's factory reset stops instantly after trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p28.08:11
chronizDidn't have the phone for a long time, so I can't use snapshots either08:11
tbrchroniz: then all you need is a btrfs image of that partition08:11
tbr(a factory image would likely contain much more)08:12
chronizttbr; right then. Been looking for that too, but my search for it has so far been useless08:14
tbrchroniz: I think there were a couple of people who went through this in the past. Best approach would be to track those down. The channel logs might help you with that too.08:14
chroniztbr: Thanks, I'll take a look. Were it not the holidays, I'd send this to repairs08:16
Stskeepstbr: perhaps08:17
Stskeepstbr: i'm thinking fedex to pick up device/send it back, reflash at jolla to a saner image with ext4/factory image for that device on the emmc08:18
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Morpog_PCStskeeps, i would pay for it08:21
tbrStskeeps: yes, that's the official option08:22
tbrStskeeps: ah, sorry08:22
tbrStskeeps: not awake and confused it with chroniz' problem...08:22
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tbrStskeeps: OTOH it's not that hard to create something that can be reflashed even on current devices08:25
Stskeepshrm, i guess you could strictly speaking generate it08:26
tbrI'm thinking: dump recovery partition (for good measure, to have a known good recovery that can be fastboot flashed); dump other partitions right after a factory reset using recovery08:28
tbrto recover: make sure you have a sane recovery, boot into it; replay the partitions you dumped; … ; profit!08:29
tbrI remember us casually talking about such stuff08:30
tbrIIRC someone even wanted to prep some scripts for that purpose, was it niel?08:30
tbrobvioulsy the resulting dumps are not legally distributable, but I think that wouldn't stop someone to put up a torrent. ;-)08:31
tbrand now FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! traceroute -m 120 xmas.futile.net08:32
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gogetatbr, Stskeeps merry xmass09:17
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chem|stHappy Easter!10:09
chem|stI see a mousepointer in the msg app when I peek^^10:10
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kimmolieaster-egg ?10:12
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chem|stkimmoli: desktop-sailfish?10:12
kimmolinah, just messaging app cover is f'up10:13
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Stskeepschem|st: you know, that may be clue to that bug10:18
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chem|stStskeeps: easter?10:18
Stskeepsno, cursor10:18
chem|stor desktop-sailfish? aard_ ?10:18
chem|stStskeeps: ah my sis has a black cover - that bug?10:19
chem|stor blanking cover10:19
Stskeepsyes10:19
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Stskeepsi see it in devel browser too10:20
kimmolimostly i see the messaging app through the cover10:20
chem|stat some point I thought that the qt implementation of touchpointer will blow up in your face but I did not think that far10:21
r0kk3rzhyvaa joulua10:21
gogeta_also dialer is affected ... especially when is always on10:21
Stskeepsgiucam: ^10:21
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YanielI get black cover in messages if I open it,then lock the screen by pressing the power button11:24
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giucamYaniel: you mean if you lock it really fast?11:47
giucamlike, before the window comes up?11:47
Yanielno11:48
Yanielopen messages11:48
Yanieldo whatever normally11:48
Yanieland lock the screen via power button without pushing messages in the background first11:48
Yanielunlock and the messages app cover is black11:49
giucamcan't reproduce11:49
Yanielhappens very reliably here11:51
giucamare you killing jolla-messages between retries?11:51
r0kk3rzhttp://www.theverge.com/2014/12/23/7440079/fx0-firefox-os-smartphone-specs-release-date-photos11:51
giucamyou don't close messages by closing the window11:51
Yanielalso opening messages from the cover and swiping it back does not update the cover, it stays black11:51
r0kk3rzweird looking phone11:51
HarhaanJohtajai have black cover since the alst update11:52
HarhaanJohtajain messages app11:52
Yanielokay, pkilled jolla-messages and the black cover is gone11:52
giucamonce you get it once you always get it, the problem is getting it once reliably11:53
r0kk3rzwonder if firefoxos is using libhybris11:55
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Yaniellikely11:58
r0kk3rzyeah thats what im thinking11:59
r0kk3rzwe'll see how popular this fx0 thing is in japan11:59
r0kk3rzthey probably wont sell it anywhere else12:00
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cryoratr0kk3rz, I had a firefox OS phone before my jolla12:08
r0kk3rzyeah?12:08
cryoratit didnt felt good :/ it wasnt mature enogh12:08
r0kk3rzi thought most of them were dirt cheap phones that could barely run the OS12:08
cryoratyou are right12:09
r0kk3rzbut i was more thinking that the fx0 could be a good target for a sailfish port12:09
r0kk3rznot sure how easy it is to swap out libhybris based OS's12:09
r0kk3rzstskeeps would know12:09
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cryoratpersonally i dont think it would be a goot idea12:10
cryorati dont understand the technical side but the HW would be small for the sailfish12:11
cryoratmaybe the really high end ones could run it, but im not sure12:11
r0kk3rzthats my point, the one i linked to is fairly comparable to the jolla spec wise12:12
r0kk3rzwouldnt bother doing it with some of those cheap phones12:13
r0kk3rznope its considerably better12:14
r0kk3rzquadcore 1.2ghz and 1.5gb of ram12:14
r0kk3rzsailfish would scream along12:14
cryoratfx0 would be an interesting attempt but i dont know if its worth porting12:18
cryoratalmost same spec, almost same price12:18
r0kk3rzyeah but jolla isnt selling phones in japan12:19
r0kk3rzbut sailfish doesnt appear to have japanese language support12:19
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* Yaniel is still waiting for that official IME12:23
r0kk3rzlooks like there is a community effort12:24
r0kk3rzwhich is something at least12:24
r0kk3rzjolla do need to make it easy to contribute to the main os in this regard i think12:25
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tbrYaniel: did they promise one?12:30
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StskeepsIME?12:31
Stskeepsah, input method12:31
tbrinput method?12:31
tbrr0kk3rz: maliit is open source12:31
Stskeepssorry, holiday mode..12:31
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r0kk3rztbr: yeah but it might be nice to have a github or such where 'official' translations and inputs are kept12:32
tbrr0kk3rz: os localization is a separate project12:33
tbrr0kk3rz: they seem to make very slow progress on that for some reason12:33
r0kk3rzso instead of having to dig around on TMO and openrepos, alternative languages are available through some standard method12:33
r0kk3rzof course there would be a fair amount of work involved in ensuring the quality of some of these things12:34
tbralso it looks like: "maliit-plugin-jp" is already a thing, so someone™ would just need to make it work on sailfish12:34
tbrr0kk3rz: as much as I'd like to see *official* support from jolla for such things, I've come to believe that no such thing can be reasonably expected.12:35
tbrr0kk3rz: simply as these guys are completely overpowered by staying afloat and doing a minimum viable software product12:35
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r0kk3rzyeah understood, but i see that as an opportunity to leverage the community more12:36
tbrI know I sound like a b0rken record, but *chum*12:37
r0kk3rzbut likely i am too optimistic about what contributions would actually result12:37
tbrfor that we have a promise of support and once we have things in shape, I'm ready to go into jolla-hq and beat them into supporting us, but before that we have homework to do as community.12:37
r0kk3rztbr: make a hit-list/roadmap somewhere12:38
r0kk3rzwhat needs to be done?12:38
tbrr0kk3rz: right now knee deep in a windows installer (don't ask), but after that, yes, let me write a reminder12:39
tbralthough the christmas ham might happen before that12:39
r0kk3rzhah, its christmas day, doesnt need to happen immediately :P12:39
r0kk3rzbut at some point, some kind of direction that people can follow would be great12:40
tbrif it doesn't happen now then it's going to be soon™ forever12:40
tbrother people were supposed to write that, but meh...12:40
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coderusEventsview patch v0.0.14 released. Fixed vertical layout of buttons. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-eventsview-controls-settings-applet Let it be LAST update please :)12:44
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r0kk3rzhmmm, mint or arch13:18
r0kk3rzits always annoying trying to pick a distro13:18
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M4rtinKFedora :)13:19
r0kk3rzdont think ive ever really used fedora before13:19
just4infohey there, quick question: after i restarted the phone my whole music collection is unsorted, what would be the best way to work arround that bug?13:19
r0kk3rzi would normally use debian13:20
r0kk3rzbut this is really just to do some OBS stuff, which i would imagine isnt terribly easy from windows13:20
r0kk3rzif even possible13:20
M4rtinKI'm using it where possible and really like it :)13:20
just4infoyes, fedora is nice :)13:21
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: running OBS or just using osc ?13:21
r0kk3rzosc i think13:21
r0kk3rzi dont really know what im doing yet13:21
r0kk3rzbut doing some rpm packaging and getting builds done on merobs is the idea13:22
r0kk3rzmight stick it in vbox rather than dualboot13:22
M4rtinKyeah, I'm doing that too13:23
M4rtinKand it is all CLI only13:23
M4rtinKso about any headless VM or server somewhere will do13:24
r0kk3rzyeah thats a point, just run up a headless centos vm13:24
ursmmh, anybody got a proper terminfo description of the fingerterm?13:25
ursthe "xterm" that it reports itself to be doesn't quite seem to match.13:25
ursI get leftover characters when switching windows in irssi for example.13:25
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tbrr0kk3rz: preferably chose a distro that is supported by upstream OSC13:30
r0kk3rzso, suse then?13:31
tbrr0kk3rz: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Tools/osc13:32
tbrsee right hand side13:32
r0kk3rzah, thanks13:32
tbrworks OK on debian, but I have also a opensuse vm and a fedora vm as I'm sometimes not only using the "osc build" environments but fooling around with the distros themselves13:33
M4rtinKI'm using osc just fin one Fedora :)13:33
tbrobviously that's unrelated to Mer/Sailfish, but related to me packaging things for those distros13:33
M4rtinK*fine13:34
tbrM4rtinK: I recently wanted to use "osc build" and it barfed at me on the debian package, had to install from the above repository13:34
M4rtinKIIRC there is an OBs repo for osc, so even if not available from main distro repos, it should still be available for about any distro :)13:34
tbrfor everything else it was working fine13:34
tbrM4rtinK: that's what I pointed to...13:35
M4rtinKoh, right :)13:35
M4rtinKwell, haven't used osc build13:35
M4rtinKI guess that could be distro specific ?13:35
tbrI have no idea how close to upstream the FC osc is. it might work fine.13:35
M4rtinKI remember using it on Ubuntu with the MeeGo COBS13:35
M4rtinKand it worked IIRC13:36
tbrit worked fine after installing the upstream package13:36
M4rtinKback then13:36
M4rtinKupstream osc ?13:36
tbrback then you had to also install a upstream OSC. I'm pretty sure I remember something13:36
tbrthe one from that repository above13:36
M4rtinKyeah, could be outdated13:36
tbrbut osc build is teh awesumz13:37
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tbrit slurps up a bunch of packages and creates a local fully working build environment to fool around with13:37
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tbrno SDK necessary, no distro necessary, etc13:38
* tbr is packaging stuff for multiple distros on OBS, it helps13:38
M4rtinKwell I just leave the build farm do it for me :)13:39
M4rtinKbut could be nice for faster turnaround :)13:39
M4rtinKthat reminds me, I managed to build PyPy for Sailfish a while ago:13:40
M4rtinKhttps://build.merproject.org/package/binaries/home:MartinK:sailfish/pypy?repository=sailfish_latest_armv7hl13:40
M4rtinKand it even works! :)13:41
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r0kk3rzi suppose i can package up i2ctool, since i know that builds and works fine on sailfish13:57
r0kk3rzto learn how this whole obs thing works13:57
M4rtinKpackage all the things! :)13:57
tbrcheck if you can steal some packaging from suse or fedora and modify that13:58
r0kk3rzyeah true13:58
M4rtinKosc can even do cross instance package copy13:59
M4rtinKfrom OpenSUSE OBS to the Mer one for example :)13:59
tbryeah, I love that feature, I quite frequently copypac across13:59
M4rtinKme too :)13:59
M4rtinKbut I've recently started using the Fedora packaging14:00
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r0kk3rzorly?14:00
M4rtinKwhile I don't yet have a representative sample14:00
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M4rtinKthe Fedora packaging still looks less messy than the OpenSUSE one14:00
r0kk3rzseems like there are both suse and fedora packages available14:00
M4rtinKI guess no wonder considering the Fedora packaging guidelines wiki pages is like 16 km long :)14:01
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M4rtinKalso OpenSUSE seems to have some out of tree Python distutils patch (!!), preventing many OpenSUSE packages from building on Sailfish OS14:02
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intehello14:05
intemerry christmas14:05
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M4rtinKmerry xmas! :)14:07
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eyea_UKHello15:18
eyea_UKJolla )0!1@ joy15:19
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aard_M4rtinK: I had quite a lot of "dude, WTF are you doing there" with fedora packages over the last few years. though usually very low in the stack15:25
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eyea_UKJolla )01!@ joy15:44
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M4rtinKaard_: well, some spec files are just plain crazy :)16:05
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M4rtinKaard_: but I don't think this is Fedora specific, or even RPM specific :)16:05
M4rtinKsome software might be just a bit too special16:05
M4rtinKor you need backward compatibility16:05
Waiteeanyone have ideas how to push apps to pebble without an android phone? :316:06
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M4rtinKor using undocumented features (the RPM.org documentation is pretty outdated for example)16:06
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aard_M4rtinK: well, it's a rather complete documentation of rpm at the late 90th :)16:07
M4rtinKwell, it still covers about 95% of what you need16:08
M4rtinKbut some fundamental stuff like %exclude is just plain missing :)16:08
aard_it's not enough documentation to build software reading rpms without using rpmlib16:10
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Waiteedoes alien dalvik support bluetooth yet?16:12
aard_no16:13
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fluxand judging from tjc, it sadly doesn't appear to be a very popular feature for people to wish17:11
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aard_also it's a bit tricky to do, but on our todo list17:11
ursHmm, I'm not sure I understand the function of the lock screen yet. It doesn't show any notifications, it allows no interaction, all it does is show a pretty picture.17:16
M4rtinKall that Bluez 4/5 & Bluedroid madness :)17:16
ursAnd it only seems to be good for moving away from it. Why is it there?17:16
fluxurs, well, I suppose its main function is to stop accidental input17:17
ursFair enough... but why is it there when you slide up from the main screen? It's not like there's any reason ever to go there on purpose.17:17
fluxthe new update allows to bypass it when clicking power button twice in succession17:17
M4rtinKcheck out: https://openrepos.net/content/mihlit/calendarbience :)17:18
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fluxurs, well, you can use it for locking the device, or checking the time and battery17:18
M4rtinKshows clanedar events on the Lock Screen :)17:18
ursM4rtinK: ah. Does that actually just continuously rewrite the ambience image?17:18
M4rtinKurs: I think it does17:19
M4rtinKwell not continuously, only if needed IIRC17:19
ursneat idea actually.17:19
M4rtinKyeah :)17:19
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fluxmaybe the widget idea is too used in other phones that it's not enough unlike for jolla ;)17:20
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ursM4rtinK: these kinds of hacks are why I both hate and love sailfish. :)17:26
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ursWhat's the correct $TERM value to use with fingerterm? Because the default "xterm" doesn't really seem to match the terminal capabilities.17:36
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Sailor10353hello18:20
Yanielhi18:20
Sailor10353warehouse crush with last.update18:21
Sailor10353we w8 an update?18:21
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temmi_mooman with a seven shooter18:21
Lucky_luke618:22
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temmi_mooin nearly all the albums there is one extra bullet18:23
Yanielhe actually says in one that it is a special made gun18:24
Yaniels/special/custom/18:24
temmi_mooindeed18:25
temmi_mooand in some albums the seventh bullet is used to catch the bad guy expecting to win as "now luke emptied his gun"18:26
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neothefoxHey guys18:27
neothefoxI have two question for you. First - any attempts on Reddit client yet? And second18:28
Yanielnot aware of any18:28
neothefoxI cant get SDK to compile - it looks for /home/src1/18:28
Yanielfix your project paths?18:28
neothefoxI just created it18:28
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neothefoxand any new projects are all beahve this way, even one imported from git18:29
YanielI still suspect some of your path settings are wrong18:30
neothefoxYaniel, where to look? I've been all over .pro file.18:30
HarhaanJohtajahttps://openrepos.net/content/dicksonleong/quickddit-sailfishos ?18:30
neothefoxHarhaanJohtaja, ok, so this option is off for me18:31
neothefoxHarhaanJohtaja, at leas I have a reason to enable openrepos now :D18:32
neothefoxit still says code 126 even when I try to deploy on Jolla18:36
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coderusneothefox: what is your host os?18:39
neothefoxcoderus: mint 17.118:40
coderusinstall sdk in chroot then18:41
coderusit's easier to maintain than vm18:41
coderushttps://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/18:41
neothefoxcoderus: I've been thinking about this, oh well. Thank you, I'll be right back18:45
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Lucky_lukeany option about warehouse freezes,18:46
Yanielwait18:48
coderusLucky_luke: only one - wait for app update18:48
Lucky_lukeok ty pal18:48
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neothefoxok, updating to the new SDK solved the problem with no chroot19:37
coderuschroot is still better :)19:37
ShadowJKthis new update is killing fingerterm regulary :/19:38
ShadowJKhm, dmesg claims 45M was freed by killkng fingerterm19:40
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ShadowJKow, i tried check email and everything was killed, including irc :)20:00
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coderusShadowJK: https://together.jolla.com/question/73432/discussion-oom-killer-fine-tuning-overcommit_ratio-value/20:04
ShadowJKis this same as memnotify deciding to kilm stuff because cache is below a threshold?20:05
ShadowJKovercommit_ratio 9020:12
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ShadowJKthis time i lost onscreeb keyboard too :)20:12
ShadowJK.. a bunch of tracker processes, signond20:14
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ShadowJK[84185.744409] lowmemorykiller: Killing 'maliit-server' (20656), adj 0,20:21
ShadowJKto free 41620kB on behalf of 'kswapd0' (49) because20:21
ShadowJKcache 7472kB is below limit 16384kB for oom_score_adj 020:21
ShadowJKI'm not entirely convinced overcommit_ratio maked any difference here, it claims to look at cache?20:22
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ShadowJKhttps://together.jolla.com/question/72895/low-level-memory-killer-strange-behaviour/20:26
ShadowJKthis loons line same thing :)20:26
ShadowJKlooks*20:26
ShadowJKBefore update, i could check email by adding a bigger swap file on microsd, to accomodate the extra ram use from checking email20:28
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* SpeedEvil has swapped over NBD before.21:19
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sledgeshttp://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/2pmg7q/a_christmas_message_from_my_lawyer/21:28
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salyavinThanks for that together link coderus, the too agressive app killing is starting to really get on my nerves.21:53
salyavinAlso thank you coderus for the Harmattan flasher mirror21:53
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coderusIs there some *official* page about Sailfish / Nemomobile / Mer relationships? We're tired to explain this again and again for every newcomers :(22:14
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coderussalyavin: ok :)22:14
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ShadowJKon another note, didn't sailfish upgrade emails use to be english :/23:38
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Bawalso where does sailfishos create random copies of files uploaded to the device23:43
Yanielhuh?23:44
Bawali've uploaded some episodes of a tv-series to the device, they keep on filling the memory even after i've deleted the actual files23:44
Nicd-how do you reckon that?23:45
Bawalwell23:45
Yanielbtrfs metadata explosion maybe?23:46
Bawaljust a minute ago i had 3gb free space, i tried to upload two episodes and the transfer hung up in between23:46
Bawalnow i have 500mb free, the other episode doesn't even show in the folder and the first one i deleted because i wasn't sure if it was transferred correctly23:46
Bawalso i reckon 3gb of space just vanished while the files still do not seem to appear23:47
Nicd-how do you check for space?23:48
Yanieland for files23:48
Bawalcurrently in windows via usb23:48
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