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| pp__ | ages ago :-9 | 06:49 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | Good morning | 06:50 |
| tiwake | not morning yet | 06:50 |
| tiwake | give it another 2.1 hours | 06:51 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | Rovaniemi damn cold noe | 07:31 |
| TMavica_Jolla | now | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | welcome to finlad | 07:31 |
| pp__ | wtf! | 07:31 |
| TMavica_Jolla | stskeeps: where r u | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | poland | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | as i should be :P | 07:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | shxt | 07:32 |
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| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, morning! | 07:42 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, nice to be in Robaniemi just now... Is the sun up yet? :) | 07:43 |
| TMavica_Jolla | juiceme when we meet | 07:44 |
| TMavica_Jolla | no. sun not up | 07:44 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i dated coderus | 07:44 |
| TMavica_Jolla | let together | 07:44 |
| juiceme | yes, he in Rovaniemi too? Who else? | 07:44 |
| TMavica_Jolla | No. we will meet in Helsinki. where u ok? | 07:45 |
| TMavica_Jolla | after 27 | 07:45 |
| temmi_moo | :) | 07:46 |
| temmi_moo | yesterday was the shortest day of the year | 07:46 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, I'm in Helsinki now, and will be hee at least this week. After christmas some day I'll be going up half-way-north-of-finland to my parent's place | 07:46 |
| juiceme | so you will be here 27th. How many days? | 07:46 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i at there from 27 until 4 | 07:47 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i can go anywhere. lol | 07:47 |
| juiceme | good, then we'll have good time to meet. | 07:47 |
| TMavica_Jolla | how i can find u easily.. | 07:48 |
| juiceme | I live in Järvenpää, 40km nort of helsinki. just 30min by train. | 07:49 |
| kimmoli | according to fmi, sunrise 11:08, goes down 13:23 | 07:50 |
| kimmoli | in Rovaniemi | 07:50 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i never saw sun | 07:50 |
| juiceme | well it does actually rise up which is a wonder by itself. I'd think on the Arctic Circle it would not really rise at all on the shortest day, just as it does not set at all on the longest day. Apparently it is a bit asymmetric that way. | 07:51 |
| temmi_moo | oh oh oh oh | 07:52 |
| juiceme | I think we might have to define another Arctic-Arctic-Circle north of teh AC to have that no-sun-here effect | 07:52 |
| temmi_moo | debussy on the radio with unconventional violin arrangement <3 | 07:52 |
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| juiceme | debussy never had any conventional arangement :) | 07:53 |
| temmi_moo | ah i mean i've usually thought of him as piano composer | 07:53 |
| temmi_moo | also i've mostly heard arabesques on piano | 07:53 |
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| temmi_moo | my ears are tingling as this orchestral piece is pretty good | 07:54 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | i email u to find u when we in hel? | 07:56 |
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| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, sure :) | 07:57 |
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| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, What's your plans up in Rovaniemi? Have you been skiing, riding snowmobiles, riding reindeer sledge etc...? | 07:58 |
| TMavica_Jolla | will go Santa claus, arktilkum | 07:59 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i dont know skiiing.. | 07:59 |
| TMavica_Jolla | walk to arktikum is far? | 08:00 |
| juiceme | Yea, Arcticum si nice | 08:00 |
| juiceme | is is just outside the city by a lake | 08:00 |
| TMavica_Jolla | where i can see north light in rov | 08:00 |
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| juiceme | don't remember the distance though, but would be by walking range. | 08:01 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | use android here map. lol | 08:01 |
| juiceme | to see the nothern lights best you need to be outside city lights, and it needs cleas sky. | 08:02 |
| juiceme | I don't know it there are lots of clouds there now? | 08:02 |
| TMavica_Jolla | ok | 08:02 |
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| temmi_moo | cloudless sky is requirement and they do intensify at nighttime | 08:03 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, just checked from map, Arcticum is just half a km from the train station | 08:03 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i walk to there, bec i dont know where is bus stop | 08:04 |
| juiceme | :) | 08:05 |
| temmi_moo | walking is good | 08:06 |
| temmi_moo | i suppose you have wintery clothes | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | isn't google maps quite good on finnish public transport? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | albeit not sure about rovanem | 08:06 |
| temmi_moo | never tried google maps on transport | 08:06 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i saw have bus, but dont know when i need get down | 08:06 |
| TMavica_Jolla | try walk. | 08:07 |
| temmi_moo | walking rules in a small city as rovaniemi | 08:07 |
| TMavica_Jolla | but santa claus village seem far. cant be walk.. | 08:07 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i need wait coderus car. lol | 08:07 |
| temmi_moo | where were you from again, hk or somesuch other place? | 08:07 |
| TMavica_Jolla | I take 11 flight from hong kong to Hel | 08:08 |
| oh8gnz | yes that santa's villlage is a bit far from city center | 08:08 |
| TMavica_Jolla | then take 1 hours from hel to Rov | 08:08 |
| temmi_moo | and now you're walking in rovaniemi without getting too cold? | 08:09 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, Santa Claus village indeed it is some distance north of the city. But I am sure there are marked tourist buses that go there! | 08:09 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i still stay in hotel. lol | 08:09 |
| oh8gnz | it's about -10C here in Kajaani and this is half way from helsinki to rovaniemi.. ;) | 08:09 |
| juiceme | I hope you have warm clothes :) | 08:10 |
| TMavica_Jolla | juiceme: maybe there is bus from arktikum to there | 08:10 |
| juiceme | oh8gnz, gee I used to live in Kajaani at the turn of eighties/nineties :) | 08:10 |
| juiceme | pretty cold there too, usually :) | 08:10 |
| TMavica_Jolla | the girl look nice in finlanf | 08:11 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, possibly. Or at least I am sure they will know in the A how to get to Santa's | 08:11 |
| oh8gnz | juiceme: :D | 08:11 |
| oh8gnz | TMavica_Jolla: it seems that "Santa's Express" is transporting people to santa's village every hour from train station | 08:11 |
| oh8gnz | bus number 8 | 08:12 |
| TMavica_Jolla | oh8gnz: thanks! i try find it out | 08:12 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, on the wintertime everyone's clothed outside so that you cannot say whether they be male or female :) :) | 08:12 |
| oh8gnz | http://www.santaclausvillage.info/connections/ | 08:12 |
| oh8gnz | there's info | 08:12 |
| TMavica_Jolla | but if i want go at 24 or 25, seem no transport | 08:12 |
| TMavica_Jolla | juiceme: the girls is prettu | 08:13 |
| TMavica_Jolla | pretty | 08:13 |
| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla: ask the hotel reception about clothing stores just in case | 08:13 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. dunno but it's the most popular time for beeing in rovaniemi | 08:13 |
| temmi_moo | when walking to see places you might suddenly decide that you indeed would like some warm clothes | 08:13 |
| entil | it's only -9 | 08:13 |
| entil | according to google | 08:13 |
| temmi_moo | entil: TMavica_Jolla is from hong kong | 08:13 |
| entil | hah | 08:14 |
| oh8gnz | juiceme: it's all about clothing :D | 08:14 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i try wear shorts go | 08:14 |
| temmi_moo | so he does very likely not have anything we might call warm clothing :) | 08:14 |
| entil | oh, it's like 30C difference | 08:14 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i have warm clothes | 08:14 |
| TMavica_Jolla | hong kong is cold too noe, below 15C | 08:15 |
| entil | but most finns at least won't need to hide their gender at -9C because we're tempered in drives of snow | 08:15 |
| TMavica_Jolla | now | 08:15 |
| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla: +15 is what we call warm and have t-shirts | 08:15 |
| TMavica_Jolla | ... | 08:15 |
| entil | +15 is nice | 08:15 |
| entil | I wish it was +15 all year long | 08:15 |
| temmi_moo | +15 is the best | 08:15 |
| oh8gnz | entil: shorts at -9 and long johns at -25 ? | 08:16 |
| TMavica_Jolla | mostly is 15 now in hk | 08:16 |
| entil | oh8gnz: I haven't worn long johns since that one winter when I was 10 | 08:16 |
| temmi_moo | warmer than that makes it very hard to be physically active | 08:16 |
| temmi_moo | i'm wearing woollen long johns <3 | 08:16 |
| entil | I'd rather deal with jeans in -25C than wear long johns | 08:16 |
| entil | but that's a personal preference, ymmv | 08:16 |
| temmi_moo | i don't really understand not wearing long underpants | 08:16 |
| TMavica_Jolla | -25 i should not in rov | 08:16 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i in helsinki | 08:17 |
| entil | I found them discomfortable as a kid and I'm sure I would today | 08:17 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. haven't put long johns this winter, yet | 08:17 |
| oh8gnz | but have used them every winter | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | what is long john? | 08:17 |
| oh8gnz | long underwear | 08:17 |
| juiceme | Weell on the spring when/if it has been a very cold winter around -10 seems so warm after that when the sun finally starts to shine up, then people start going around in t-shirts... On the fall-side-of-year it is not like that, since not yet used to coldness.. | 08:17 |
| entil | like your underpants, but they go all the way down to your socks | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | crazy.. | 08:17 |
| temmi_moo | warm | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | very useful in cold winter | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:18 |
| temmi_moo | entil: i was a boy scout and not wearing long johns on a winter hike is really not an option | 08:18 |
| temmi_moo | also: cotton sucks balls | 08:18 |
| entil | temmi_moo: sure, this is all personal.. I never was a boy scout and at those weathers I avoid the outdoors | 08:19 |
| juiceme | entil, materials in clothing hav changed a bit since you were young, I guesss (unless you are really young) and nowdays there is really comfortable warm clothing available :) | 08:19 |
| TMavica_Jolla | I have a questions about prepaid sim of Saunalahti | 08:19 |
| entil | going out drinking and waiting half an hour for a taxi/bus is about the worst to endure | 08:19 |
| juiceme | :P | 08:19 |
| entil | juiceme: sure, there's 20+ years of evolution in material, but that's not relevant this winter unless hell freezes over | 08:20 |
| entil | like, plz, -1? | 08:20 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | it said umlimited, but i checked have 6 euro, now is 5.39 euro, so i need pay again after usedup?? | 08:20 |
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| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, I asked from elisa about the prepaids for you, and yes, they can be bought by foreigners easily. | 08:21 |
| TMavica_Jolla | so i need buy again..? | 08:21 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, if so, you should go and ask agin from a Saunalahti shop. | 08:21 |
| ln- | it can be recharged | 08:21 |
| TMavica_Jolla | the charge is according to data i used? | 08:22 |
| juiceme | Saunalahti is a brand of Elisa, you can find shops in Rovaniemi too | 08:22 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. | 08:22 |
| TMavica_Jolla | juiceme: i found it. just ask here | 08:22 |
| oh8gnz | if it's f.e. 10¤ unlimited | 08:22 |
| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla: https://www.varusteleka.fi/fi/product/mil-tec-valikerrasto-fleece-pyorealla-kauluksella-musta/27331 | 08:23 |
| oh8gnz | it shoudl be unlimited | 08:23 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, if they sold you unlimited, then it should be unlimited. | 08:23 |
| TMavica_Jolla | but why i checked it, it say 5.29 euro remainning | 08:23 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. it shouldn't be | 08:24 |
| oh8gnz | what package you have? | 08:24 |
| oh8gnz | do you remember the name? | 08:24 |
| TMavica_Jolla | 4.95 euro one | 08:24 |
| oh8gnz | mobile networking prepaid? | 08:24 |
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| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla: what i linked is something to wear between your regular underwear and normal clothes | 08:25 |
| TMavica_Jolla | http://t.co/FPdmKTisWR | 08:25 |
| TMavica_Jolla | this one | 08:26 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i paid 4.9 euro of that | 08:26 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, that one should be unlimited data but costs voicecalls and text. | 08:26 |
| juiceme | so have you used those? | 08:26 |
| TMavica_Jolla | o. maybe i used sms of that | 08:27 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i request from that sim tools | 08:27 |
| TMavica_Jolla | and they send me sms | 08:27 |
| juiceme | yes, SMS will eat your sado | 08:27 |
| TMavica_Jolla | thanks! | 08:27 |
| oh8gnz | hmm.. but sms to same operator shouldn't cost anything | 08:27 |
| oh8gnz | I mean | 08:28 |
| oh8gnz | if asking settings from saunalahti | 08:28 |
| oh8gnz | it shouldn't cost anything | 08:28 |
| oh8gnz | but to other customers.. ofcourse.. | 08:28 |
| TMavica_Jolla | lets see.. | 08:29 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | i go walk now | 08:32 |
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| oh8gnz | have fun! | 08:32 |
| TMavica_Jolla | Stskeeps: sorry for off topic here. lol | 08:32 |
| temmi_moo | yay walking | 08:32 |
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| temmi_moo | TMavica_Jolla: put this in your headphones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeVUnGQOIk for walking music | 08:34 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | i have many songs in my jolla | 08:35 |
| TMavica_Jolla | lol | 08:35 |
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| oh8gnz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaWPduHl_j8 <- how about this one | 08:38 |
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| TMavica_Jolla_ | arrived | 09:23 |
| temmi_moo | yeai | 09:23 |
| temmi_moo | nice walk? | 09:23 |
| TMavica_Jolla_ | i slip on floor. damn | 09:24 |
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| Wnt | coderus: Have you tried / updated your browser patches on update 10? | 09:26 |
| coderus | Wnt: no | 09:26 |
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| Tegu | there has been a bit booting discussion here lately, so I thought tht this might be somewhat related https://trmm.net/EFI (about macbooks and thunderbolts, though) | 09:37 |
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| Tegu | Update available! | 09:49 |
| Tegu | Whooop whoop! | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | again? :) | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | a bit risky to be fair | 09:50 |
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| Tegu | oki, not going to update then. as you say | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | also, i read that meerun crashes all the time with the latest update and the author doesn't seem to be responding :( | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | Tegu: up to you, just make a backup and be ready for the worst | 09:51 |
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| Tegu | ggabriel: I do have recent backups as I just took this to repair | 09:51 |
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| Tegu | but.. I woud not want to took it there again, so... | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | fair | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | just wait for others to update :) | 09:54 |
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| stephg | ning! | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | o/ stephg | 10:08 |
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| Tegu | fuu fuu, I had already hit download befre thinking, and now I cannot access the store. can I remove it? :P | 10:16 |
| Tegu | I mean, it says that I'd have to install it before I can access | 10:16 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: yes, you need to install it first. Otherwise apps will pull in some dependencies from the new update. | 10:17 |
| xfade_ | And that is a nice way to brick your device. | 10:17 |
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| Tegu | bricking is looming behind every corner :P | 10:21 |
| Jope | mmm bricking | 10:21 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: or someone from devcare here? just querying status update... | 10:32 |
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| coderus | Anybody already installed Powermenu on SailfishOS Update10 and Activated product in About page? | 11:00 |
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| Obi-Lan | powermenu? | 11:05 |
| Morpog_PC | Whats the benefit? :D | 11:05 |
| Morpog_PC | I saw it and wondered | 11:06 |
| Obi-Lan | wonder if bittorrent syncs arm version would work in jolla | 11:08 |
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| warfare | Obi-Lan: It would probably eat your battery for breakfast. | 11:14 |
| Obi-Lan | android version of it behaves nicely | 11:16 |
| Obi-Lan | but problem is syncing folders outside of jail | 11:16 |
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| mcfrisk | I'm getting confused over jolla release and update versioning. 1.1.1.27 is also update 10. Why not use monotonicly increasing version and update numbers? | 11:26 |
| Anz_ | did you install? are there any precautions to be taken before updating.. | 11:28 |
| Obi-Lan | I went from previous stable from july to this new one and so far haven't noticed any special | 11:29 |
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| Anz_ | Obi-Lan: 👍 | 11:31 |
| Obi-Lan | character lost in translation | 11:32 |
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| detlev_ | hello, | 11:37 |
| detlev_ | I'm having some trouble with a jolla | 11:37 |
| detlev_ | i had to make a full factory reset | 11:38 |
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| detlev_ | but I am now stuck on the factory version of sailfish | 11:38 |
| detlev_ | sometimes it will say that the download fails after 20 seconds | 11:39 |
| detlev_ | sometimes it will crash and then, all apps will crash too and the phone won't boot anymore | 11:39 |
| detlev_ | So I have to factory reset it again | 11:39 |
| detlev_ | I am completely stuck and I don't know what to do as this is my only phone and in these holiday times as a poor student, i really need it | 11:40 |
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| giucam | what os version is it running? | 11:42 |
| detlev_ | currently 1.0.2.5 (Maadajävri) | 11:44 |
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| giucam | do you have developer mode? | 11:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | wasn't there a version where you should skip enterinh jolla credentials at welcome screen to be able to use store later? | 11:50 |
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| detlev_ | No, when I activate developper mode, it reboots after some times and is stuck in a bootloop | 11:51 |
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| Obi-Lan | time to buy cheap dummy phone? :P | 11:55 |
| coderus | detlev_: do a factory reset using recovery | 11:55 |
| detlev_ | coderus: that's what I've been doing this morning, That's the 5th factory reset from recovery... | 11:58 |
| Obi-Lan | skip all the registration at 1st boot, let it load, boot again, register to store? | 11:59 |
| Obi-Lan | I did something like that when I got Jolla | 11:59 |
| detlev_ | coderus: now it simply won't boot, there is the vibration, Jolla is logo is shown, led is white for 1 sec, then, after 10 sec, switches off | 11:59 |
| detlev_ | Obi-Lan: I'll try that now | 11:59 |
| Waitee | any chance your battery is dead? | 11:59 |
| Waitee | wild guess :3 | 11:59 |
| detlev_ | Waitee: how can I check that ? | 12:00 |
| Waitee | umm | 12:01 |
| detlev_ | Waitee: it's been running on battery for 2 days before this happened | 12:01 |
| Waitee | oh, then it should be okay | 12:01 |
| gabriel9 | is there a way to change screen on jolla? | 12:02 |
| gabriel9 | i just get seccond burn :( | 12:02 |
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| Waitee | usually when li-ion batteries die they swell | 12:03 |
| coderus | detlev_: use coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/jolla-factory.tar.xz then :D | 12:03 |
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| detlev_ | coderus: does it contain a more recent version of sailfish ? | 12:05 |
| coderus | detlev_: it contains 1.0.8.19 | 12:06 |
| coderus | after dumping you will update to 1.1.1.27 | 12:07 |
| coderus | s/dumping/restoring | 12:07 |
| coderus | restore using dd=/sdcard/jolla-factory.img /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:07 |
| coderus | s-s | 12:07 |
| coderus | -s- | 12:07 |
| coderus | dd=/sdcard/jolla-factory.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:07 |
| coderus | ah | 12:08 |
| detlev_ | if=* ;) | 12:08 |
| coderus | what wrong with me :D | 12:08 |
| coderus | dd if=/sdcard/jolla-factory.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:08 |
| coderus | :D | 12:08 |
| coderus | in recovery shell | 12:08 |
| Morpog_PC | typo hell :D | 12:08 |
| detlev_ | well | 12:08 |
| detlev_ | coderus: i don't have a recovery shell :/ | 12:08 |
| coderus | detlev_: telnet and 4 ? | 12:08 |
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| detlev_ | coderus: no, I have Reset, Reboot or Exit | 12:09 |
| coderus | what? :D | 12:09 |
| detlev_ | Or is 4 hidden ? | 12:09 |
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| detlev_ | Obi-Lan: Still won't download the update by adding the jolla account after reboot | 12:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | detlev_, can you try via mobile network (disbale wlan) | 12:11 |
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| * tbr ponders why the f he just got a sailfish update spam mail from jolla in *FINNISH* | 12:12 | |
| Morpog_PC | did you set your language to finnish on jolla site maybe? | 12:13 |
| tbr | certainly not | 12:13 |
| Morpog_PC | my update mail is englich here | 12:13 |
| tbr | and previous mails were in english | 12:13 |
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| Obi-Lan | detlev_: ok, no ideas then | 12:13 |
| Obi-Lan | I've been using jolla just for two weeks now | 12:14 |
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| coderus | detlev_: well, try and tell | 12:19 |
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| ggabriel | anybody uses meerun here? :) | 12:22 |
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| detlev_ | Morpog_PC: not better in 3G | 12:24 |
| Obi-Lan | time to take family to christmas shopping -> | 12:25 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, nothing happens when I try to activate powermenu | 12:25 |
| temmi_moo | i got the update mail in finnish as well | 12:26 |
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| temmi_moo | damn you, leela | 12:26 |
| detlev_ | coderus: no option 4 in recovery, not even hidden | 12:26 |
| temmi_moo | i didn't indicate i wanted anything in finnish? | 12:26 |
| temmi_moo | not that it really matters, i just like my computers in english | 12:26 |
| Hartzi | tbr: well.. start learning finnish then ;) | 12:27 |
| detlev_ | coderus: it is jolla recevery 0.1 | 12:27 |
| temmi_moo | hyvä kieli tämä | 12:27 |
| Hartzi | ggabriel: sometimes | 12:28 |
| detlev_ | coderus: maybe through fastboot ? | 12:28 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, isn't recovery your kid? | 12:28 |
| Hartzi | ggabriel: why? | 12:28 |
| tbr | Hartzi: I am and could probably read the mail. It was about pointing out a configuration problem... | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: are you in update10? :) | 12:28 |
| Hartzi | ggabriel: yup | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: just wondering whether it still works | 12:28 |
| Hartzi | lets see | 12:28 |
| Hartzi | ggabriel: doedn't work :/ It loads pretty long and then dies. UI won't start. | 12:29 |
| Hartzi | doesn't* | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: ta | 12:30 |
| Hartzi | should I try start it from terminal? | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | author hasn't said anything in the last 2 months either, so i'm wondering whether this is the end of meerun | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: i'm sure you'll see some error more obviously from term, but not much that you can do | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | prolly related to diff qt version | 12:31 |
| Hartzi | yeah | 12:31 |
| Hartzi | ggabriel: have you tried to contact the dev? | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: somebody else did in tmo | 12:31 |
| Hartzi | okay | 12:31 |
| Hartzi | is it OSS or not? | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | nope, it's closed | 12:32 |
| coderus | detlev_: i never used fastboot | 12:32 |
| Hartzi | fu** | 12:32 |
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| Hartzi | hopefully the dev hasn't died :) | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | or given up | 12:32 |
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| Hartzi | ggabriel: https://openrepos.net/comment/5275#comment-5275 | 12:35 |
| Hartzi | okay he's alive | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | Hartzi: nice, thanks | 12:36 |
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| detlev_ | coderus: is there an image for the jolla recover 0.2 somewhere ? | 13:03 |
| detlev_ | (fastboot cannot upload files bigger than ~700MB apparently) | 13:05 |
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| SK_work | I like this blog.jolla.com | 13:32 |
| SK_work | really nice :) | 13:32 |
| meklu | that looks weird | 13:33 |
| Morpog_PC | should have been there from the beginning | 13:33 |
| meklu | at least on a 1366x768 | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | only took 3 years, guys | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
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| meklu | the posts (apart from the full-width update thing at the top) are about 50% of the screen width but with some padding on the left | 13:34 |
| meklu | so you have this awkward layout where almost two posts would fit side by side | 13:34 |
| meklu | but only one is shown | 13:34 |
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| meklu | https://i.imgur.com/seqNW7t.png | 13:37 |
| meklu | eesh. | 13:37 |
| Vilkz | How can I access the internal storage in recovery mode? | 13:37 |
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| meklu | not a fan of the headers in the posts either, you need to scroll down a whole page to get to the content itself :( | 13:38 |
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| j-doge | form over function | 13:39 |
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| detlev_ | coderus: it looks like 2 problems: impossible to download an update (reason unknown), activating developper mode soft-bricks the device | 13:41 |
| detlev_ | any other options ? | 13:41 |
| SK_work | Vilkz: you need some mounts | 13:41 |
| SK_work | one sec | 13:41 |
| SK_work | Vilkz: https://paste.kde.org/pbeqtxpja | 13:42 |
| SK_work | assuming you are in recovery shell | 13:42 |
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| Vilkz | SK_work: Thank you, it worked | 13:44 |
| narchie | nice update | 13:45 |
| narchie | every app launches for over 10sec | 13:45 |
| narchie | I bet the loading indicator was worth it :^) | 13:45 |
| Morpog_PC | narchie, have you just updated? | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | narchie: if you use android, it's expected | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | just give it more time | 13:46 |
| Morpog_PC | android apps will be updated in the background and tracker will be reindexed, give it an hour before judging it | 13:46 |
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| JvD_ | what a Jolla day | 14:01 |
| JvD_ | just received Jolla beanie and TOHOLED. Also I need to pick up second Jolla phone from post office | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | showing off? :) | 14:03 |
| JvD_ | the phone is a present for my father | 14:03 |
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| ggabriel | JvD_, i'm your father; fullfill your destiny | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | :) | 14:05 |
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| JvD_ | =) | 14:05 |
| kimmoli | JvD_: o/ | 14:06 |
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| detlev_ | coderus: Do you know where the update file is downloaded ? maybe I can fool it by downloading manually ? | 14:15 |
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| detlev_ | Status: device bootloader is locked, recovery version is 0.1 (no shell), cannot update (download problem), cannot use developper mode (apps crashes and system won't boot), cannot flash other firmware through fastboot (size too big and probably won't boot due to locked bootloader) | 14:33 |
| detlev_ | Is there any way out ? | 14:33 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: secure boot is generally fine for me, as long as we can either add an extra key or get our own stuff signed by your key | 14:46 |
| AL13N | nice technical post | 14:46 |
| AL13N | also, i didn't realize it would be a 2K resolution screen... how nice! | 14:47 |
| AL13N | also... nice, update 10! | 14:48 |
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| Nc_ | any reports of instability with the latest FW? Noticing my phone is rebooting randomly now | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: comment there if possible :) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: would you mind to comment on blog? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | er, nm | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | Nc_: talk to care | 15:07 |
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| Nc_ | Stskeeps, sure - just curious if others have same issue :) | 15:09 |
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| tbr | Nc_: random recommendation: clean battery contacts, both sides, gently but thoroughly | 15:12 |
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| detlev_ | So, last question, should I get a Nexus 5 or LG G3 ? (I really really don't plan on installing sailfish on it) | 15:15 |
| Nc_ | tbr, 'k, will try | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | detlev_: probably a question for another channel, i'd get neither :) | 15:16 |
| detlev_ | ggabriel: what would you buy for a family member ? :D | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | detlev_: a box of chocolates | 15:19 |
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| detlev_ | ggabriel: indeed, would make more friends with chocolates than with a Jolla | 15:23 |
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| detlev_ | anyway, I'll just try some more things and probably loose it later, that's sad, jolla had some great ideas | 15:26 |
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| ruskie | heh | 15:38 |
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| ruskie | my mom's jolla should be here tomorrow | 15:39 |
| ruskie | and my boss is showing interest in a jolla as well | 15:39 |
| reenzo | I've updated to Silfish 1.1.1.27. Now when I turn on the device the touch device is inactive (I cannot type in my PIN number). After one monute or so, it returns operative. Is it a known bug? It seems it waits for a timeout.... | 15:40 |
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| reenzo | I've updated to Sailfish 1.1.1.27. Now when I turn on my jolla the touch device is inactive (I cannot type in my PIN number). After one minute or so, it returns operative. Is it a known bug? It seems it waits for a timeout.... | 15:43 |
| ruskie | repeating won't help much | 15:44 |
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| reenzo | there were typos | 15:44 |
| raa700 | reenzo: try pushing power button twice to lock and reopen | 15:45 |
| tbr | 'returns operative'? | 15:45 |
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| reenzo | raa700, I am testing your suggestion... | 15:46 |
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| reenzo | it does not work... | 15:47 |
| reenzo | I am having the same behavior | 15:48 |
| reenzo | the screen blanks after the first click on the power button and the second seems useless | 15:49 |
| reenzo | if I click again I get the PIN dialogue back, but the touch screen is inactive (for a while) | 15:50 |
| reenzo | I could type my pin immediately before this latest system upgrade. | 15:50 |
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| reenzo | I am also trying to install Maps.... after scrolling to "Install", it stays in the "waiting" state going round and round for a while and then I get a notification saying "Problem with Installing" maps. Any hint? | 15:58 |
| SK_work | reenzo: I do wonder if your update was done correctly | 16:00 |
| SK_work | btrfs rebalance ? | 16:00 |
| ruskie | hmm just updated and no issue here | 16:00 |
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| reenzo | SK_work, I have got no errors during the update. | 16:02 |
| SK_work | reenzo: you might got silent errors | 16:02 |
| SK_work | :( | 16:02 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2014/12/tizen-samsung-z1-full-specifications-leaked-india-release-followed-china-korea/ | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | that looks really disappointing | 16:27 |
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| Waitee | all samsung phones look the same plastic :/ | 16:29 |
| raa700 | its just something to leverage google | 16:29 |
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| Tofe | ah, wifi in finnish buses... it's expensive, but at least they offer added value :) | 16:39 |
| Waitee | at least in vr trains i rather just share my phone 3g if i need wifi for my laptop | 16:40 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: I agree the tizen is not seducing, hardware-wise | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | after so much money poured into it | 16:43 |
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| Tofe | yes, I don't understand why they want absolutely to associate it with a low-end image | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, perhaps firefox is going worse than anticipated | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | +os | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | so there's room for something new | 16:48 |
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| Tofe | maybe | 16:48 |
| locusf | ah reenzo left | 16:49 |
| locusf | he has exactly the same issue as me | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | report 'em | 16:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | now after a day it seems the OOM is less aggressive | 16:50 |
| Morpog_PC | or is smart learning which apps I use regularily? | 16:51 |
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| Tofe | ah that's remembering me I wanted to report internet access failures from several android apps | 16:51 |
| Waitee | tried restarting android support? | 16:51 |
| Tofe | (well two) | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: tons of memory mgmt enhancements in the update... | 16:52 |
| Tofe | yup, even rebooting | 16:52 |
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| Tofe | Norwegian app is a good simple example | 16:52 |
| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, sure, but I had the update whole weekend and there the oom kicked sometimes quite agressively in | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | ummm | 16:53 |
| Morpog_PC | all in all it's qualcomms guiltiness, they eat our ram with their doomed modem | 16:54 |
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| Tofe | muuuust eaat raaaaam | 16:55 |
| Tofe | hum, sorry, back to normal | 16:55 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: the Samsung Z1 hardware might be a bit disapointing, but from an app developers point of view the Tizen platforn seems quite nice. Lots of content at https://developer.tizen.org/documentation/dev-guide/2.3.0 for example | 16:55 |
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| Wnt | loads of APIs: https://developer.tizen.org/dev-guide/2.3.0/org.tizen.mobile.native.appprogramming/html/basics_tizen_programming/native_app_api.htm | 16:58 |
| SK_work | Wnt: nice docs | 17:01 |
| SK_work | what jolla misses the most | 17:01 |
| ruskie | hmmm warehouse keeps giving me is not responding messages since the update... | 17:02 |
| SK_work | ruskie: iirc BasilSemuonov__ is on iot | 17:02 |
| SK_work | it | 17:02 |
| ruskie | ok | 17:03 |
| ruskie | won't worry to much | 17:03 |
| ruskie | it seems to finish whatever the operation it's doing eventually | 17:03 |
| Wnt | maybe it's better to use warehouse client for just enabling repositories and installing the applications via terminal | 17:04 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | since the update Ive noticed it takes longer for apps to start | 17:04 |
| Wnt | at least for me enabling repositories was ok, but installing anything makes tha application hang | 17:04 |
| coderus | if app have a lot of dependencies warehouse can stuck | 17:05 |
| ruskie | well I've managed to do 3 updates | 17:05 |
| ruskie | but it did freeze while reading comments | 17:05 |
| coderus | no idea about comments | 17:06 |
| coderus | never reading comments not for my apps) | 17:06 |
| ruskie | hehe | 17:06 |
| ruskie | as said not a big issue | 17:06 |
| ruskie | not like I check the stuff every day | 17:07 |
| ruskie | more like once every 14 days if I remember | 17:07 |
| ruskie | finally got an LTE microsim | 17:08 |
| ruskie | can't wait for my mom's jolla tomorrow so she gets to play with it as well | 17:08 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | coderus here? | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Wnt: that's true | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | at least it's good to see the money went for -something- good :P | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 17:23 |
| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 17:23 |
| Venemo | how're you? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, thank you | 17:24 |
| Venemo | awesome! | 17:24 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | How to get "static loading label back" when opening the app on homescreen, dont like the new busy loading circle animation? | 17:26 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: you will need a patch | 17:27 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: so I have to install patch manager? | 17:27 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: not only, you will need a patch that do not exists yet :D | 17:28 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | bummer, was hoping, editing some qml file would do the trick:D | 17:28 |
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| fennekki | hmm, anyone else having black screen after update 10? | 17:29 |
| fennekki | might just be a borked update, though | 17:30 |
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| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: editing QML files is also like patchmanager yeah | 17:31 |
| SK_work | but you can try just editing | 17:31 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: now all I need to know which file to edit:D | 17:32 |
| fennekki | anyone? I'm just wondering if this is common | 17:38 |
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| WaRiO | guys | 17:47 |
| WaRiO | i need help | 17:47 |
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| fennekki | on what | 17:47 |
| WaRiO | i make factory reset | 17:48 |
| WaRiO | on my device | 17:48 |
| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: here | 17:48 |
| WaRiO | coderus | 17:48 |
| WaRiO | im foufoutos from talk | 17:48 |
| WaRiO | i make factory reset back to 1.0.25 | 17:48 |
| coderus | i'mnot at home now | 17:48 |
| TMavica_Jolla | coderus: see tweet | 17:48 |
| coderus | so ask your questkon again :) | 17:49 |
| WaRiO | in settings the sailfish os update | 17:49 |
| WaRiO | deseapeare | 17:49 |
| coderus | question | 17:49 |
| WaRiO | disappeared | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | and | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | i try to update | 17:50 |
| fennekki | have you logged back into your jolla account | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | yes | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | setting-> sailfishos update | 17:50 |
| SK_work | WaRiO: what's the issue ? | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | disappeared | 17:50 |
| SK_work | WaRiO: yes, it is in about | 17:50 |
| WaRiO | i try to update and give me | 17:51 |
| WaRiO | problem with the store | 17:51 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: mind opeining a ticket in https://github.com/bundyo/sailfishos-patches-advanced ? | 17:51 |
| SK_work | thanks | 17:51 |
| SK_work | WaRiO: do you have dev mode ? | 17:51 |
| WaRiO | yes | 17:51 |
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| SK_work | WaRiO: ssu domain | 17:51 |
| SK_work | WaRiO: enter this in the terminal | 17:52 |
| WaRiO | bash-32.$ | 17:52 |
| SK_work | and give me the result | 17:52 |
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| coderus | WaRiO: reinstall jolla-settions-sailfishos packave | 17:52 |
| coderus | package* | 17:52 |
| fennekki | WaRiO: did you perchance factory reset due to a black screen after update? | 17:52 |
| WaRiO | i make factory reset with recovery mode | 17:53 |
| WaRiO | becase my phone crask | 17:53 |
| WaRiO | crash | 17:53 |
| WaRiO | device domain is currently : sales | 17:53 |
| WaRiO | SK_work | 17:54 |
| WaRiO | ? | 17:55 |
| WaRiO | coderus how i reinstall jolla-settions-sailfishos packave ? | 17:56 |
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| sobukus | May I get some help regarding my attempt to update my jolla phone? Just got it with some 1.0.1.x OS version ... update got downloaded, but the actual update won't happen. | 17:58 |
| fennekki | sobukus: do you have at least 2GiB of space? | 17:59 |
| WaRiO | SK_work | 17:59 |
| sobukus | I start it with the swipe-down ... after some time the screen goes black ... when I hit the power button to check what's going on, I'm back on the home screen and when getting the update app to the foreground, it's again waiting for me to start the update. | 17:59 |
| sobukus | fennekki: This is a fresh phone, unpacked today. Loads of free space. | 17:59 |
| sobukus | Does it wait for a minimal battery charge? It's 35 % now, wall-charger plugged in. | 18:00 |
| coderus | WaRiO: pkcon remove jolla-settings-sailfishos | 18:00 |
| coderus | pkcon install jolla-settings-sailfishos | 18:01 |
| sobukus | fennekki: Oh, damn, Never mind. I never actually activated the "Do install" menu item! | 18:01 |
| sobukus | I'm not yet accustomed to what kind of feedback I get from sailfish. | 18:02 |
| * sobukus got a white progress bar now | 18:02 | |
| coderus | agree | 18:02 |
| coderus | sailfish system dialogs are not silisa and doesnt fit in sailfish ux | 18:02 |
| coderus | silica* | 18:03 |
| WaRiO | coderus command failed this tool could not find the installer pack age:could not find jolla.settings.sailfisos | 18:03 |
| coderus | WaRiO: why dots? | 18:03 |
| WaRiO | no | 18:03 |
| WaRiO | i say - | 18:03 |
| WaRiO | wrong type irc | 18:04 |
| coderus | jolla-settiongs-sailfishos, not sailfisos | 18:04 |
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| coderus | have to go | 18:05 |
| coderus | will back in a hour | 18:05 |
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| WaRiO | the same msg | 18:05 |
| WaRiO | [20:01] <coderus> pkcon install jolla-settings-sailfishos | 18:05 |
| WaRiO | try this? | 18:06 |
| AL13N | damn, the sailfree is broken with the update | 18:06 |
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| WaRiO | fennekki | 18:08 |
| fennekki | ? | 18:08 |
| WaRiO | i press | 18:08 |
| WaRiO | [20:01] <coderus> pkcon install jolla-settings-sailfishos | 18:08 |
| fennekki | and? | 18:09 |
| WaRiO | and they give me procced with changes n/y | 18:09 |
| WaRiO | i press y | 18:09 |
| WaRiO | nothing happens | 18:09 |
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| WaRiO | now downloadg | 18:09 |
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| fennekki | ahah, I've probably got to recompile my kernel to even access recovery mode | 18:16 |
| fennekki | amusin | 18:16 |
| fennekki | g | 18:16 |
| WaRiO | they say installing packages im w8 any msg or i close term? | 18:16 |
| zumbi | -win 21 | 18:16 |
| zumbi | efail | 18:16 |
| WaRiO | zumbi thats for me? | 18:17 |
| zumbi | no, /me failed to type irc command :) | 18:17 |
| WaRiO | fennekki | 18:17 |
| WaRiO | :P | 18:17 |
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| WaRiO | help me i break my phone | 18:17 |
| fennekki | WaRiO: I'm currently trying to fix my own | 18:17 |
| fennekki | c: | 18:18 |
| fennekki | it's perfectly inoperable | 18:18 |
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| WaRiO | omg | 18:18 |
| WaRiO | now all apps settings terminal | 18:19 |
| WaRiO | loading and close | 18:19 |
| WaRiO | i cant believe it | 18:19 |
| WaRiO | plz guys help me | 18:19 |
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| WaRiO | ok reboot my phone logo screen | 18:22 |
| WaRiO | wtf | 18:22 |
| tbr | if you breakt it you get to keep both pieces. Do a factory reset. | 18:22 |
| WaRiO | i make 5 factory resets | 18:22 |
| WaRiO | and the same problems | 18:23 |
| fennekki | uh | 18:23 |
| tbr | WaRiO: what is your problem after factory reset? | 18:23 |
| WaRiO | sailfishos update | 18:23 |
| WaRiO | deseareeare | 18:24 |
| WaRiO | on settings | 18:24 |
| WaRiO | and i cant update | 18:24 |
| WaRiO | msg problem with store | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | do a factory reset, make sure to log in with your jolla account in the startup wizard, don't touch "developer updates" or any of the sorts, or developer mode | 18:25 |
| WaRiO | i cant fix it | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | and then go to updates and check for updates, download, install | 18:25 |
| WaRiO | Stskeeps | 18:25 |
| WaRiO | i go and give me | 18:25 |
| WaRiO | problem with store | 18:25 |
| fennekki | do you have internet connectivity | 18:26 |
| WaRiO | because settings->sailfishos update no more exist | 18:26 |
| WaRiO | i have this prob | 18:27 |
| WaRiO | https://together.jolla.com/question/72405/bug-settings-system-sailfish-os-updates-disappeared/ | 18:27 |
| WaRiO | but i cant go to devel | 18:27 |
| WaRiO | ask me password | 18:27 |
| WaRiO | and now my phone stack on logo jolla and reboots | 18:29 |
| WaRiO | fak this | 18:29 |
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| tbr | you need to accept help, if you don't we can't help you. | 18:31 |
| WaRiO | tell me what to do | 18:31 |
| WaRiO | nothing help me | 18:31 |
| Waitee | :D | 18:31 |
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| tbr | start doing what you are told. | 18:32 |
| WaRiO | now im going for recovery reset | 18:32 |
| WaRiO | 6 times | 18:32 |
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| tbr | o.O | 18:34 |
| Obi-Lan | why does factory reset recover oldest possible firmware instead of updated | 18:35 |
| Obi-Lan | just curious | 18:35 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well factory | 18:35 |
| tbr | Obi-Lan: it's a snapshot | 18:36 |
| tbr | Obi-Lan: are you familiar with BTRFS and snapshots? | 18:36 |
| Obi-Lan | something like vmwares snapshots? | 18:36 |
| Obi-Lan | or VSS? | 18:37 |
| tbr | a bit more complicated, but it will do for an analogy | 18:37 |
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| tbr | if you upgrade your device, the filesystem contains also your changes, so there is no way to create a new clean snapshot that would be 100% safe to go back to | 18:38 |
| Obi-Lan | ok | 18:39 |
| Obi-Lan | I think I understand the point | 18:39 |
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| Obi-Lan | does every update create new snapshot? | 18:47 |
| SK_work | Obi-Lan: sadly no :( | 18:47 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work earlier you said I should open a ticket on github, regarding opening app animation. How do I do it. I do have a github acc | 18:47 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: just go to the page I wrote, go to issues | 18:49 |
| SK_work | and write something here | 18:49 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: ok much obliged | 18:49 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: It's a task list for me | 18:49 |
| Obi-Lan | so nice feature but not fully utilized :P | 18:50 |
| SK_work | if you don't do it I will probably forget :) | 18:50 |
| fennekki | tbr: so THAT'S why they use btrfs? Curious! I never realised | 18:50 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: ty again for all the help:) | 18:50 |
| tbr | fennekki: yes, one of the driving reasons. instant factory reset. | 18:51 |
| fennekki | sweet | 18:51 |
| fennekki | anyway, that's what I'm going to do right about now | 18:51 |
| WaRi0 | ok i make my 6 factory reset | 18:52 |
| fennekki | gotta reboot first since I was a moron and didn't compile NDIS into my kernel | 18:52 |
| fennekki | haha | 18:52 |
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| tbr | Obi-Lan: if you want a more recent snapshot the only way is to have it reflashed by service (or a friendly sailor) | 18:52 |
| WaRi0 | of course sailfisos update on settings not even exist | 18:53 |
| fennekki | WaRi0: it's in about | 18:53 |
| fennekki | god fucking dammit | 18:53 |
| fennekki | wasn't this said like three times | 18:53 |
| WaRi0 | what? | 18:53 |
| WaRi0 | i need to fix this | 18:54 |
| WaRi0 | i try 7 hours | 18:54 |
| tbr | WaRi0: have you set up your jolla account yet? | 18:54 |
| WaRi0 | today | 18:54 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 18:54 |
| tbr | WaRi0: shut up and only answer questions. | 18:54 |
| tbr | WaRi0: is it connected to wifi? | 18:54 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 18:54 |
| Morpog_PC | WaRi0, can it be that you look for sailfish update on the wrong page? Older version of sailfish had it in the product informations as pulley menu item | 18:54 |
| tbr | good, now go to settings, system, about | 18:54 |
| WaRi0 | ok i put system update | 18:55 |
| WaRi0 | he goes me to system update menu | 18:55 |
| WaRi0 | ok ? | 18:56 |
| tbr | yes | 18:56 |
| WaRi0 | i press download | 18:56 |
| WaRi0 | and im sure the came with msg problem with store | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC | ? | 18:56 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 18:57 |
| WaRi0 | problem with store | 18:57 |
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| tbr | what else did you do after the factory reset? | 18:58 |
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| WaRi0 | nothing | 18:58 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | logged to your jolla account after reset? | 18:58 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | with your phone | 18:58 |
| WaRi0 | yes i log in | 18:58 |
| Obi-Lan | tbr: so " | 19:00 |
| Obi-Lan | btrfs subvolume snaphost" for cli does not work ? :P | 19:00 |
| Obi-Lan | snapshot | 19:00 |
| Morpog_PC | Obi-Lan, better use that: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-snapshot | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | but be careful | 19:02 |
| WaRi0 | maybe try new account ? | 19:03 |
| Morpog_PC | try another wifi | 19:03 |
| Morpog_PC | old sailfishos versions were picky with wifi routers | 19:03 |
| Obi-Lan | mm okay so quite experimental | 19:04 |
| Obi-Lan | I was just wondering why not make snapshot before upgrade | 19:04 |
| WaRi0 | i cant find other wifi in my house :P | 19:04 |
| Obi-Lan | and roll back to previous version instead of one from long time back | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | well you could do that with this tool | 19:05 |
| tbr | Obi-Lan: you'd possibly run out of flash space though | 19:05 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess if it would be stable enough, Jolla would already use it | 19:05 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: I do believe I have successfully open my first github ticket:D | 19:06 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | opened* | 19:06 |
| Obi-Lan | tbr: yes, space probably would be issue | 19:07 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: thanks | 19:07 |
| SK_work | :) | 19:07 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | SK_work: nah ty, Im officialy no longer a github virgin:D | 19:08 |
| WaRi0 | 2 different account | 19:09 |
| WaRi0 | prob with store | 19:10 |
| Obi-Lan | does the browser open any webpages? | 19:10 |
| SK_work | c0ck4m0u53: congrats | 19:10 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 19:10 |
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| WaRi0 | so whats next solution ?:P | 19:17 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: you do'nt have terminal ? | 19:18 |
| SK_work | do you ? | 19:18 |
| WaRi0 | if i open term after 15 min nothing app open | 19:18 |
| WaRi0 | and my phone stuck on logo boot screen | 19:19 |
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| SK_work | WaRi0: can you ssh ? | 19:19 |
| WaRi0 | what do you mean | 19:20 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: use developer mode to ssh inside your jolla | 19:20 |
| SK_work | as you have terminal, dev mode is on | 19:20 |
| WaRi0 | ok i open again the dev mode | 19:21 |
| WaRi0 | what i write on term? | 19:22 |
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| SK_work | WaRi0: no term | 19:23 |
| SK_work | can you connect your jolla on a computer via usb | 19:23 |
| SK_work | and setup SSH connection | 19:23 |
| SK_work | (see on tjc, there are tutorials on all OSes) | 19:23 |
| * sobukus sees that loading any .doc (old ebooks) crashes the documents app | 19:23 | |
| SK_work | hum :( | 19:24 |
| WaRi0 | i dont know how | 19:24 |
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| kimmoli | .doc = word ? | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | WaRi0: windows or linux? | 19:24 |
| WaRi0 | windows | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | putty installed? | 19:24 |
| WaRi0 | no | 19:25 |
| WaRi0 | w8 to download it | 19:25 |
| kimmoli | step1: install putty | 19:25 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: yes, some ancient ebooks ... just text | 19:25 |
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| kimmoli | your jolla in same wifi network as your pc? | 19:26 |
| Obi-Lan | putty: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html | 19:26 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 19:26 |
| WaRi0 | i download | 19:26 |
| WaRi0 | it | 19:26 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: know the ip of your jolla ? | 19:26 |
| WaRi0 | and yes is the same wifi | 19:26 |
| kimmoli | settings > developer mode | 19:26 |
| WaRi0 | no | 19:26 |
| SK_work | did you go to settings > developer mode and setup a password ? if not do this | 19:26 |
| * sobukus sees that xls (created with documents-to-go on Nokia E90, if remembering right) doesn't crash, but results in no usable display neither | 19:27 | |
| sobukus | kimmoli: I assume the M$ Office format support is experimental. | 19:27 |
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| WaRi0 | i set a pass on remote connection | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | sobukus: i havent tried with old versions of word docs | 19:27 |
| WaRi0 | and i press save | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | WaRi0: yes | 19:27 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: in the same window, you should see the wlan ip | 19:28 |
| WaRi0 | yes | 19:28 |
| SK_work | go to putty now | 19:28 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: Well, it's not the highest on my list of things that I want the phone to do, but eventually, it should have no issue with that. | 19:28 |
| * sobukus still figuring out how to work with this jolla thingie at all | 19:28 | |
| SK_work | enter in "host name or ip address" the ip address displayed in dev mode | 19:29 |
| SK_work | port is 22 (left untouch) | 19:29 |
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| SK_work | protocol is SSH (left untouch too) | 19:29 |
| WaRi0 | ok i set it | 19:29 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: username is nemo | 19:30 |
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| WaRi0 | where is the user name? | 19:31 |
| SK_work | hum | 19:31 |
| WaRi0 | i press opern? | 19:31 |
| SK_work | one sec | 19:31 |
| SK_work | having issues with putty at work | 19:31 |
| SK_work | try open | 19:32 |
| SK_work | it should prompt username | 19:32 |
| SK_work | here it doesn't work, don't know why | 19:32 |
| kimmoli | wake up jolla screen | 19:32 |
| WaRi0 | network error | 19:32 |
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| WaRi0 | i set ip adress on putty with my dev ip | 19:34 |
| WaRi0 | this was 192.168.1.3 | 19:34 |
| WaRi0 | ok? | 19:34 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: should work | 19:34 |
| SK_work | but maybe missing the username | 19:34 |
| SK_work | did you entered any username ? | 19:34 |
| WaRi0 | i press open and they said putty fatal error | 19:35 |
| WaRi0 | network error | 19:35 |
| SK_work | hum | 19:35 |
| kimmoli | your phone screen active? | 19:35 |
| SK_work | can you ping 192.168.1.3 ? | 19:35 |
| SK_work | on windows, click on the orb ("start"), go to search field and enter cmd | 19:35 |
| fennekki | q: has anyone ever decided it's a smart idea to mount /home and / in recovery mode and take backups via nc | 19:36 |
| SK_work | here, enter ping 192.168.1.3 | 19:36 |
| fennekki | because that's what I'm *doing* anyway | 19:36 |
| WaRi0 | yes i can ping | 19:36 |
| SK_work | weired | 19:37 |
| SK_work | ok | 19:37 |
| Obi-Lan | in putty try address nemo@192.168.1.3 | 19:37 |
| SK_work | yep | 19:37 |
| Obi-Lan | and check that protocol selected is ssh | 19:37 |
| WaRi0 | the same error | 19:38 |
| kimmoli | and you did enable remote ssh connection from settings>developermode | 19:38 |
| WaRi0 | yes and i set a pass | 19:39 |
| kimmoli | yes, it wasnt possible to add pwd oterhwise | 19:40 |
| SK_work | good night people, good luck WaRi0 | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | ah | 19:40 |
| SK_work | hope you got this sorted | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | first time you need to reboot | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | sshd is not started | 19:40 |
| WaRi0 | ty SK_work | 19:40 |
| WaRi0 | so kimmoli i rr my phone? | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | if rr == reboot then yes | 19:41 |
| SK_work | WaRi0: there is ALWAYS a way yout :) | 19:41 |
| SK_work | out | 19:41 |
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| WaRi0 | and thats it my phone cant open | 19:44 |
| WaRi0 | gg | 19:44 |
| WaRi0 | jolla logo and close | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | want this the case where you take battery out for 10 minutes? | 19:45 |
| kimmoli | *wasn't | 19:45 |
| WaRi0 | so i take battery | 19:45 |
| WaRi0 | away for 10 mins | 19:45 |
| WaRi0 | ok | 19:45 |
| kimmoli | see you in 10 minutes | 19:45 |
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| coderus | c0ck4m0u53: https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/sailfishos-patches-advanced/issues/12#issuecomment-67878494 | 19:49 |
| coderus | SK_work: ^ | 19:50 |
| fennekki | hey | 19:52 |
| fennekki | does anyone know where /home/nemo/android_storage *actually* lives? | 19:52 |
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| fennekki | 'cause it's not there when I mount the @home subvolume | 19:54 |
| fennekki | is there some way to list btrfs subvolumes | 19:54 |
| cb400f | isn't the android stuff somewhere under /data/ | 19:56 |
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| WaRi0 | still nothing fennekki | 20:00 |
| WaRi0 | dead phone again | 20:00 |
| WaRi0 | wtf with this sailfish | 20:00 |
| WaRi0 | i open dev mode and my phone dead after 10 mins | 20:01 |
| WaRi0 | 6 times | 20:01 |
| fennekki | cb400f: that's what I thought. I'll keep looking | 20:02 |
| cb400f | iirc /data/apps/ something | 20:03 |
| fennekki | ah, yes | 20:03 |
| fennekki | /data/media | 20:03 |
| fennekki | that's the one I want, app settings etc. are there | 20:03 |
| fennekki | it's the real location of /sdcard | 20:04 |
| fennekki | ...which, curiously enough, is symlinked to ~nemo/android_storage, which this dir is presumably bound to | 20:04 |
| kimmoli | WaRi0: do you need to use recovery usb console ? | 20:04 |
| WaRi0 | i use the recovery console 6 times | 20:05 |
| WaRi0 | my phone wake up | 20:05 |
| fennekki | WaRi0: you're doing something very, very wrong, I would presume | 20:05 |
| WaRi0 | i open dev mode | 20:05 |
| WaRi0 | and then my phone dead again | 20:05 |
| fennekki | ...don't open developer mode before updating, then? | 20:06 |
| WaRi0 | maybe i cant update? | 20:06 |
| fennekki | oh, right | 20:06 |
| WaRi0 | maybe i oper dev mode for ssh connection | 20:06 |
| fennekki | remember that you have to reboot to get the sshd running under your original OS version, most likelly | 20:06 |
| WaRi0 | yes i open dev mode i rebbot | 20:07 |
| WaRi0 | and dead phone | 20:07 |
| fennekki | dead, as in? | 20:07 |
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| WaRi0 | open jolla logo and then black sreen | 20:08 |
| fennekki | okay | 20:08 |
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| WaRi0 | can i sent my phone to jolla for fix ? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | you can always contact care | 20:09 |
| WaRi0 | i email them | 20:10 |
| WaRi0 | im w8 | 20:10 |
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| sobukus | I just had my first actual conversation with the jolla phone. With a humanm through the phone, I mean. | 20:14 |
| sobukus | And here's the question popping up: Is there a setting to end the call by pressing the power button? | 20:14 |
| sobukus | It is cumbersome to awaken the touchscreen and fumble for that. | 20:15 |
| * sobukus would ideally like to answer/reject calls using the volume buttons ... the actual working of a telephone deserves dedicated buttons. | 20:15 | |
| Obi-Lan | double tap and hang? though power button sounds better | 20:16 |
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| WaRi0 | Did you have openrepos repository enabled ? | 20:16 |
| WaRi0 | maybe this is a prob? | 20:16 |
| WaRi0 | but i make factory reset | 20:16 |
| sobukus | Obi-Lan: My point is that I'm in audio mode when talking ... so being able to just press the button and pocket the phone again without looking would be great. | 20:17 |
| sobukus | Sometimes you want to end a conversation _quickly_ ... | 20:17 |
| Obi-Lan | uh oh :P | 20:18 |
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| Obi-Lan | I think win phone just enabled screen to show hang button when you take it off ear | 20:18 |
| kimmoli | lift the phone from your ear, display should wake up, there is button "end call" (or something) | 20:18 |
| kimmoli | jolla does the same | 20:18 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: Yeah, I hate waiting for the screen to wake up and then having to fumble an on-screen button when my finger is right next to a viable hardware button all the time. | 20:19 |
| coderus | fennekki: read this: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 20:19 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: You might understand me better when considering that I only got a jolla because of TOHKBD;-) | 20:20 |
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| kimmoli | yes, i remember that .) | 20:20 |
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| Obi-Lan | while waiting tohkbd, is there swype for jolla? | 20:21 |
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| kimmoli | http://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/skeyer-on-ubuntu-touch-and-sailfish-os/ | 20:22 |
| Miski | silly question, but how can I see if my phone detects my sdcard? | 20:22 |
| sobukus | Gah! My eyes! | 20:22 |
| * sobukus just popped the snow white TOH back on and applied the ambience for it | 20:23 | |
| kimmoli | btw sobukus buttons are last-season anyway, you can end the call by swiping from top-down (close phone app) | 20:23 |
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| raa700 | sweeet | 20:23 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: but only after screen woke up, right? | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | yes | 20:24 |
| raa700 | though i like to keep phone app "running" | 20:24 |
| fennekki | coderus: that's not necessary - I just wanted to back up the files before factory reset ;) | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | ah, it closes the call-instance of it | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | actual app remains running | 20:24 |
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| fennekki | coderus: besides, I'm currently working from a framebuffer terminal on a thinkpad. cba to startx | 20:25 |
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| kimmoli | i have not experienced any long delays from proximity to displaywakeup during phone calls... (or do i?) | 20:25 |
| sobukus | Regarding apps running ... it's frightening how long it takes to start the phone app the first time ... I made a test call and it went "tuuut" at least two times before the jolla showed a reaction. | 20:25 |
| fennekki | tuuuuuut | 20:26 |
| fennekki | sobukus: do you mean you called the jolla? | 20:26 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: I'll have to do some test runs, calling myself from the wired phone | 20:26 |
| fennekki | because that *could* be network delay | 20:26 |
| sobukus | fennekki: yes | 20:26 |
| fennekki | unless you can confirm that it got the signal nigh-immediately | 20:26 |
| sobukus | fennekki: It was a lot qicker on the second call. | 20:26 |
| fennekki | sobukus: that could also have to do with network caching the path | 20:27 |
| fennekki | though | 20:27 |
| fennekki | if it was connected to the internet | 20:27 |
| fennekki | I can't see why this would be the case | 20:27 |
| sobukus | And concerning network delay, I though that is the time you wait until you year the "tuuuuut" | 20:27 |
| fennekki | oh, right | 20:27 |
| fennekki | could very well be | 20:27 |
| fennekki | I didn't htink of that | 20:27 |
| kimmoli | apps starting first time is like “You’re going to want to take off your clothes and touch each other. But if you do touch each other, you will get chlamydia… and die.” | 20:28 |
| tadzik | wat | 20:28 |
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| fennekki | oh, dang, I lost the eduroam thingie, should've backed up connman too | 20:29 |
| fennekki | well, I guess it's too late now | 20:29 |
| fennekki | unless there's backup snapshots somewhere? | 20:29 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: I must admit that generally, it feels slow when you start an app and the icon for it appears, the app a second later. | 20:30 |
| sobukus | Maybe that's intentional UI behaviour. | 20:30 |
| sobukus | But somehow the jolla with more than twice the processing power doesn't feel that snappy compared to my old Philips with Android 4.0.3 (yes, no update, never). | 20:31 |
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| phaeron | ok | 20:33 |
| phaeron | err sorry | 20:33 |
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| coderus | fennekki: if your filesystem works just clone home and root subvolumes, remove home and root subvolumes, clone factory-root to root, and factory-home to home subvolumes, boot, upgrade, mount old home and root subvolumes, copy data to current subvolumes, remove old subvolumes :) | 20:48 |
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| coderus | and make proper snapshot of your system for future or full dump of filesystem :) | 20:49 |
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| fennekki | coderus: I already factory-reset, though! And I have backups, so. | 20:50 |
| fennekki | this dang update doesn't seem to feel like downloading, though | 20:50 |
| fennekki | wonder what's up with that | 20:51 |
| coderus | remove jolla account and add it again, ssu domain sales, ssu re 1.1.1.27, version --dup | 20:51 |
| coderus | you running 1.0.2.5 or later or earlier? | 20:52 |
| fennekki | I'm running whatever they shipped with in like | 20:52 |
| fennekki | February | 20:52 |
| fennekki | lemme check | 20:52 |
| fennekki | 2.5 yeah | 20:53 |
| fennekki | should just ssu'ing fix it? | 20:53 |
| fennekki | ah, of course devmode takes ages to get enabled | 20:55 |
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| Tegu | how did you end up to that situation, btw? | 20:57 |
| coderus | fennekki: you can try just install terminal, not full devmode :) | 20:57 |
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| coderus | fennekki: ssu will update your release version, and version tool will upgrade your system manually. | 20:58 |
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| fennekki | coderus: well, I'm going to go devmode *anyway* eventually | 21:00 |
| fennekki | okay, so I thought | 21:00 |
| fennekki | I'll try that | 21:00 |
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| fennekki | eh, what, terminal doesn't open? do I have to reboot for that, too | 21:01 |
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| fennekki | ah, hey, maybe that app that hijacks the power button could be doing something sysupdate didn't like | 21:05 |
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| fennekki | on the matter of why it didn't work | 21:05 |
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| fennekki | ah, curious | 21:07 |
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| fennekki | looks like it's doing the same thing it did for WaRi0 | 21:07 |
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| fennekki | maybe I shouldn't enable devmode after resetting | 21:08 |
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| fennekki | but where could I install the terminal | 21:10 |
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| fennekki | coderus: how would I even install terminal without devmode | 21:16 |
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| Tegu | rpm? | 21:20 |
| Tegu | if there is one | 21:20 |
| fennekki | and I'd still need root access; root has no default password, so you need devel-su | 21:20 |
| fennekki | unless, of course, I wanna go to recovery mode and do this stuff from there | 21:21 |
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| Tegu | ohh well, inb4 "curiosity bricked a jolla".. that is, I am going to update now. wish the best and fear the worst. --> | 21:29 |
| fennekki | "and we never heard from him again" | 21:34 |
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| fennekki | confirming: factory reset and reboot does not result in black scren | 21:35 |
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| fennekki | enabled devmode: presumably, this *will* result in black screen | 21:39 |
| fennekki | hmm, no, now it's just not getting past the Jolla screen | 21:42 |
| fennekki | there we go | 21:42 |
| fennekki | let's see if it works | 21:42 |
| Tegu | arrived at Vaarainjärvi \o/ | 21:43 |
| fennekki | yyyup, black screen | 21:44 |
| fennekki | but! now I can test those recoverymode tricks | 21:44 |
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| fennekki | ..except that with this version of recovery, I can't access the shell. problematic. | 21:45 |
| fennekki | can I go to fastboot? | 21:47 |
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| fennekki | hmm | 21:57 |
| fennekki | apparently not? | 21:57 |
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| fennekki | I'd need to unlock the bootloader for this | 21:59 |
| fennekki | well, back to userland, I guess | 21:59 |
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| fennekki | I guess I should try devmode, then ssh | 22:09 |
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| fennekki | if it's the rebooting after devmode which kills the thing and I have no other way of accessing terminal | 22:09 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess you can acces terminal with shellex but dont know what you can do whit it | 22:14 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | with | 22:15 |
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| fennekki | shellex? | 22:17 |
| fennekki | ah, right | 22:17 |
| fennekki | I need a) a terminal b) developer mode | 22:18 |
| fennekki | and if developer mode is what breaks this thing... I can turn it off afterward | 22:18 |
| fennekki | like, my primary problem is... fingerterm won't launch | 22:19 |
| fennekki | I can enable developer mode, fingerterm just won't work | 22:19 |
| fennekki | and when I reboot, the phone dies | 22:20 |
| fennekki | I'll just try letting it sit there for | 22:21 |
| fennekki | hum | 22:21 |
| fennekki | maybe like, half an hour? and see if it starts working | 22:21 |
| fennekki | the update download, that is | 22:21 |
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| fennekki | goddamn this thing | 22:23 |
| Tegu | :\ | 22:24 |
| phaeron | fennekki: does ssh work when the screen is blank ? | 22:24 |
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| Tegu | unrelated: I had to install an android app from the jolla store before I could install an apk | 22:25 |
| Tegu | ofc I had the android support installed | 22:26 |
| coderus | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-search-text-page-browser updated for u10 | 22:28 |
| coderus | fennekki: settings - system - untrusted applications - enable | 22:29 |
| coderus | download and click on rpm - install it = profit | 22:29 |
| fennekki | phaeron: no | 22:29 |
| fennekki | it just flat-out doesn't continue booting after some point | 22:29 |
| fennekki | if this were a PC I'd try to get a dump of the system log | 22:29 |
| fennekki | but alas, after my first factory reset I lost the ability to access recovery shell | 22:30 |
| fennekki | so I can't use that | 22:30 |
| fennekki | really, I have two problems. The first one is that the phone doesn't seem to want to download the update | 22:30 |
| phaeron | how did you lose access ? you mean it doesn't work ? | 22:31 |
| fennekki | er | 22:31 |
| fennekki | the old recovery image doesn't have the option | 22:31 |
| fennekki | or | 22:31 |
| phaeron | ah | 22:31 |
| fennekki | recovery partition | 22:31 |
| fennekki | whatever | 22:31 |
| RavenholmDX | Just grabbed the latest update | 22:32 |
| RavenholmDX | pretty nice | 22:32 |
| RavenholmDX | seems alot smoother | 22:32 |
| fennekki | basically: if I could just get the update to download via the UI or get devmode working long enough to use ssu and version, I'd be good | 22:32 |
| fennekki | but devmode seems to invariably a) not work before a reboot and b) cause the same black screen ON reboot | 22:32 |
| phaeron | fennekki: when you factory reset, what version does it take you back to ? | 22:32 |
| RavenholmDX | SD write performance via USB seems alot faster | 22:32 |
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| fennekki | 2.5 | 22:33 |
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| RavenholmDX | getting ~13MB/s vs ~6MB/s previously | 22:33 |
| fennekki | phaeron: 1.0.2.5 | 22:33 |
| fennekki | which it shipped with | 22:33 |
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| fennekki | as far as I know | 22:33 |
| phaeron | fennekki: ok and did you try to update without enabling dev mode ? | 22:34 |
| phaeron | just create jolla account and update directly | 22:34 |
| fennekki | yes; it doesn't show an error, it just does that thing where it doesn't start downloading and instead gives a status indicator | 22:34 |
| fennekki | presumably, that means there's something updating | 22:34 |
| fennekki | but there shouldn't be, should there | 22:34 |
| fennekki | like: I'm at the system update screen | 22:34 |
| fennekki | and it's quite simply just not downloading | 22:34 |
| phaeron | and you judge that by the progress indicator of the picture dimming ? | 22:35 |
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| fennekki | I judge that by the progress indicator on the picture doing nothing, and there being the circular progress indicator overlaid on the entire view | 22:35 |
| phaeron | that doesn't sound like downloading. | 22:36 |
| fennekki | which indicates something is *blocking*, if I know anything about sailfish ui | 22:36 |
| phaeron | correct | 22:36 |
| fennekki | it could be that it's trying to do some invisible app updates in the background, or somethin | 22:36 |
| fennekki | but I can't see why that would happen | 22:36 |
| phaeron | no it doesn't do that | 22:36 |
| fennekki | okay, there we go | 22:37 |
| phaeron | fennekki: can you go to the jolla account and set update credentials | 22:37 |
| phaeron | go where ? :) | 22:37 |
| fennekki | 'kay I'll try | 22:37 |
| fennekki | I just rebooted and tried again | 22:37 |
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| fennekki | to see if my messing with the connection settings might've interrupted it | 22:37 |
| fennekki | no dice | 22:37 |
| fennekki | I'll try the account next | 22:37 |
| fennekki | credentials updated | 22:38 |
| fennekki | to the same they were | 22:38 |
| fennekki | store seems to be reinitialising itself | 22:38 |
| phaeron | can you browse apps in store ? (don't install anything) | 22:38 |
| fennekki | yes | 22:38 |
| fennekki | and it shows the system update indicator again | 22:39 |
| fennekki | System update -> download | 22:40 |
| fennekki | and nothing seems to be happening | 22:40 |
| fennekki | I wonder if something would if I changed to mobile connection | 22:40 |
| phaeron | circular ? | 22:40 |
| phaeron | I meant circular busy indicator ? | 22:40 |
| fennekki | the image progress bar is stuck | 22:40 |
| fennekki | and the busy indicator is there | 22:40 |
| phaeron | ok switch to 3G or to wlan | 22:41 |
| fennekki | if I only could access developer mode this problem wouldn't even *exist* | 22:41 |
| phaeron | depnding on what you are on ? | 22:41 |
| fennekki | I'm changing to mobile | 22:41 |
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| phaeron | fennekki: you might need to reboot if the update ui is stuck | 22:43 |
| fennekki | I have tried that as well | 22:43 |
| fennekki | it stopped trying a moment ago - I'll try to keep my eyes on the device to see what the error message is | 22:44 |
| fennekki | "Problem with store - Problem with upgrading" | 22:44 |
| fennekki | and then it stops trying | 22:45 |
| phaeron | fennekki: ok one sec | 22:45 |
| fennekki | I think I've seen this problem somewhere but Iunno wherew | 22:46 |
| phaeron | fennekki: just hold on please | 22:47 |
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| stoft | hi, anyone know how to see sailfishos version from recov. mode shell? | 23:17 |
| fennekki | uh | 23:17 |
| fennekki | why is this of importance | 23:17 |
| stoft | I'm doing either a factory reset/btrfs recovery after update to latest version and action depends on current version. | 23:18 |
| stoft | since I don't know the state of the update, whether it went well or not I'd like to see what it thinks it is. | 23:18 |
| fennekki | well, since you can access the recovery shell, it's newer than 1.0.2.5 | 23:18 |
| fennekki | that's for certain | 23:18 |
| fennekki | durr | 23:18 |
| stoft | oh, that I know :) | 23:18 |
| fennekki | but hm | 23:18 |
| fennekki | anyway... why not just boot normally? Or were you having issues with that exactly | 23:19 |
| stoft | exactly that. after update I get the Jolla logo and then a blank screen | 23:19 |
| fennekki | ah, well, we're in the same boat | 23:19 |
| fennekki | don't reset yet | 23:19 |
| fennekki | you'll lose access to recovery shell and that might be useful | 23:20 |
| fennekki | I mean, unless you've got a factory version newer than 1.0.2.5 | 23:20 |
| stoft | how do you mean? the device was at 1.0.8.x before I attempted update. shouldn't it be at that or more? | 23:21 |
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| stoft | or will a factory reset set it back to 1.0.2? | 23:21 |
| fennekki | the device will be at the version it shipped with | 23:21 |
| fennekki | when you reset | 23:21 |
| fennekki | if 1.0.8.x has recovery shell, then you obviously won't lose tha | 23:22 |
| fennekki | t | 23:22 |
| fennekki | I just kinda assumed you'd have an older jolla, for some reason | 23:22 |
| phaeron | it factory resets back to the version it was shipped with | 23:22 |
| stoft | ah, so reset will set it back to shipped version? in that case I'll revert to 1.0.2 or similar | 23:22 |
| stoft | I'll == it | 23:22 |
| fennekki | yeah | 23:23 |
| stoft | which means a btrfs recovery may be preferred to start with... | 23:23 |
| stoft | doh | 23:23 |
| phaeron | are you sure it is a btrfs issue | 23:23 |
| stoft | no | 23:23 |
| phaeron | did you have developer mode enabled before attempting the update ? | 23:23 |
| stoft | yes | 23:24 |
| phaeron | Can you check if ssh works when the device boots to a blank screen | 23:24 |
| stoft | one moment | 23:24 |
| stoft | yes, ssh works | 23:26 |
| stoft | and when I login using ssh I get: SailfishOS 1.0.8.21 (Tahkalampi) (armv7hl) | 23:27 |
| stoft | so update didn't go so well it seems | 23:27 |
| stoft | which according to instructions also means I probably can't do a btrfs recovery: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202208763#3 | 23:28 |
| stoft | any idea if I can do an update using pkcon or similar? | 23:29 |
| stoft | oh wait, ssu release now returns: Device release is currently: 1.1.1.27 | 23:30 |
| aard_ | stoft: ssu release is 1.1.1.27 while version returns 1.0.8.21? | 23:31 |
| stoft | aard_, ssu release is 1.1.1.27 but when logging in using ssh it displays 1.0.8.21 in the greeting | 23:31 |
| aard_ | yes, incomplete update. you could try version --dup, given the store token is up2date | 23:32 |
| stoft | version --dup? | 23:32 |
| stoft | nm | 23:32 |
| stoft | running | 23:32 |
| stoft | what exactly does "version" do? | 23:34 |
| phaeron | stoft: if you use openrepos better disable that first | 23:35 |
| stoft | phaeron, thnx, will do | 23:35 |
| aard_ | version just shows the current os-version. version --dup is an rnd tool for updating the device we kept around in case it's useful to have | 23:35 |
| fennekki | I wonder if I should try enabling devmode and blackscreening this thing just to see if the ssh might actually work... though I'd have to somehow get the device to connect, via usb, in developer mode, to this laptop. | 23:38 |
| fennekki | the actual factory reset is so quick I'd hardly lose anything there even if this failed | 23:38 |
| phaeron | fennekki: ssh won't work if dev mode is not enabled | 23:39 |
| phaeron | and you can't enable dev mode without breaking stuff :) | 23:39 |
| fennekki | yeah, that's it exactly | 23:39 |
| stoft | aard_, ty. I'll let it run while I run an errand or two. | 23:39 |
| phaeron | since you are on 1.0.2.5 | 23:39 |
| phaeron | stoft: is in a bit better situation | 23:39 |
| fennekki | I think I recall having problems with devmode back when I just ran 1.0.2.5 anyway | 23:39 |
| fennekki | because I've had to factory-reset this device at least once before | 23:40 |
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| stoft | any idea what this repo is? https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/ it's listed as a user repo and not a global repo, but looks semi-official | 23:43 |
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| aard_ | stoft: example repository for developers using obs home project on mer community obs, to make start using that on the device easy | 23:46 |
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| stoft | aard_, ty | 23:57 |
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