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| keithzg | Pshhh, someone on Google+ just asked if there's an RSS feed for the new Jolla blog. Do kids these days not know how to read HTML headers? ;) | 02:45 |
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| keithzg | I remember back in my day my browser had a button that'd automatically pop up to allow me to add any feeds announced to my RSS reader. Man, Konqueror. I miss that browser. Glad that it birthed what powers most of the browsers out there nowadays, but sad that it kindof died of neglect itself. | 02:46 |
| tiwake | RSS does make things easier | 02:47 |
| * keithzg (I mean, I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek here, the less snarky "back in my day" would be me remember browsing in lynx and such too; these things change so, so quickly) | 02:47 | |
| tiwake | (on the consumer side) | 02:47 |
| keithzg | Yeah, RSS is really nice. I can't imagine consuming news without it. | 02:47 |
| keithzg | Looking forward to ocNews on a Jolla Tablet :D | 02:48 |
| tiwake | I just have 50+ tabs open and never close them :P | 02:48 |
| keithzg | Heh, well I do that too, it's just that I *got* those tabs from clicking on links in RSS ;) | 02:48 |
| keithzg | And then it's all synchronized, so my tablet knows what my phone knows what my browser knows, in terms of what I've already read or not. | 02:49 |
| tiwake | donno, I don't RSS :P | 02:50 |
| tiwake | then again I don't really read any 'news; | 02:53 |
| tiwake | I read an overview of the latest linux kernel changes... | 02:54 |
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| tiwake | reading about ARM servers now | 02:55 |
| tiwake | I really want AMD's A1100 :P | 02:58 |
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| tiwake | dont like x86 and family assembly that I'll just switch to ARM so I know its not running x86 code... lol | 02:59 |
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| tiwake | also, the A1100 has two 10gigbit ethernet ports | 03:01 |
| tiwake | eeeee | 03:01 |
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| tiwake | http://www.anandtech.com/show/8776/arm-challinging-intel-in-the-server-market-an-overview | 03:15 |
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| salyavin | keithzg https://blog.jolla.com/feed/ | 04:39 |
| salyavin | found that myself earlier, they even have redirects from /rss when adding to my tt-rss instance. | 04:40 |
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| coderus | MazeLock patch updated to v0.0.2: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 09:04 |
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| meklu | looks cool | 09:10 |
| tadzik | oh, nice! | 09:12 |
| tadzik | no "may eat your cat and brick your device" warning? Is it safe enough, or it is just assumed as a default? :) | 09:13 |
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| temmi_foo | tiwake: what? that's cool | 09:17 |
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| coderus | tadzik: the only bug with sim pin was fixed in 0.0.2 | 09:29 |
| tadzik | known bug :) | 09:29 |
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| tadzik | the reason I'm worried is because if something goes to hell I'll have no way to even ssh to my device | 09:30 |
| temmi_foo | is it a known bug that i cannot connect to wlans now that my sim card is temporarily on hold by telco? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | temmi_foo: that shouldn't happen | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: | 09:31 |
| temmi_foo | i'm running tähkälampi and now cannot connect to wlans | 09:31 |
| temmi_foo | in home huawei b593s and in hacklab some ubiquiti stations | 09:32 |
| coderus | time to opt-in | 09:32 |
| coderus | tadzik: nothing i know of | 09:33 |
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| tadzik | oh, new music player app, cool | 09:39 |
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| Teme | oh the what now | 09:40 |
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| ruskie | hmm wonder what are the chances that if I order a jolla tomorrow I'll get it before the holidays... | 09:41 |
| tadzik | better order today :) | 09:42 |
| joonahoi | the chances are pretty slim though | 09:42 |
| joonahoi | the postal service is totally overloaded with xmas packages | 09:42 |
| ruskie | can't no money until tomorrow hehe | 09:43 |
| Scelt | ruskie: where from? in Finland they say that if you order no later than tomorrow you'll propably get the package before christmas | 09:44 |
| ruskie | gave mom my jolla yesterday to play with and she likes it | 09:44 |
| ruskie | well it'll be currier here | 09:44 |
| Scelt | but that's of course domestic shipments | 09:44 |
| ruskie | not mail | 09:44 |
| zutto | took 3 business days to ship jolla in finland few weeks ago inside finland | 09:44 |
| ruskie | gonna be fedex here | 09:45 |
| Teme | tadzik: what was that about new music player app? | 09:45 |
| ruskie | so 2-4 days from dispatch | 09:45 |
| zutto | yep | 09:45 |
| zutto | processing time was 4 business days tho | 09:45 |
| ruskie | will see how my luck is | 09:46 |
| zutto | but i ordered it when they first announced the discount to 250 | 09:46 |
| zutto | so there might have been traffic at that time | 09:46 |
| tadzik | Teme: it's on openrepos | 09:47 |
| tadzik | Dedalus, +-2 levenshteins | 09:47 |
| tadzik | if it had "predictable shuffle" I'd switch to it right away | 09:48 |
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| coderus | tadzik: quasar mx have predictable shuffle | 09:48 |
| tadzik | so does stock :) | 09:49 |
| tadzik | and stock never fucked up my albumarts, granted, because it's not able to download new ones | 09:49 |
| Teme | tadzik: ok thanks | 09:51 |
| tadzik | I learned to quite like stock, even if the UI is a bit lacking, and apart from this "sometimes off-by-one" when removing things from a playlist | 09:51 |
| Teme | stock is decent, a minor nuisance is not being able to see long songnames | 09:51 |
| Teme | or rather the part of them that doesn't fit on the screen | 09:52 |
| Teme | it could "float scroll" in the bottom but i'm too lazy to TJC it :P | 09:52 |
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| j-doge | Teme: so what exacly do these long song names do? And what do you think they should do? And have they ever done something they're not doing anymore? | 09:56 |
| j-doge | (I haven't really used Media that much myself) | 09:57 |
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| Teme | assume a long song or album name, let's use here 'Boards of Canada - Music Has the Right To Children' as an example | 10:04 |
| Teme | nowhere on the UI is it now possible to see what it reads after "..Right To" because it gets cropped out | 10:05 |
| Teme | what it could do: scroll horizontally very slowly like some media players on PC (Winamp at least) do | 10:05 |
| Teme | so when it's scrolled to the right edge, you see "..of Canada - Music Has the Right To Children" | 10:06 |
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| Teme | i'd make a TJC but it would need a screenshot and a demo of the scrolling behaviour | 10:06 |
| Teme | and it's not _that_ big of a deal :) | 10:08 |
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| tigeli | temmi_foo: hmm.. that shounds weird | 10:19 |
| tigeli | sounds | 10:19 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: how is your sim on hold? | 10:20 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: I'm just wondering because I can ssh to my device with and without having any sims on it | 10:20 |
| tigeli | over wlan | 10:20 |
| temmi_foo | sim is on hold because i've managed to pay only some bills of all of the sent ones | 10:21 |
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| temmi_foo | for some reason i'm having trouble using the service design on how to get bills sent to my bank account | 10:22 |
| tigeli | ok.. I might have dna sim which does not have any prepaid balance left | 10:22 |
| temmi_foo | try that and see if it affects wlan | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | temmi_foo: how does it manifest in your ui? no signal, or data won't enable? | 10:22 |
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| tigeli | temmi_foo: I'm quite certian it does not have any effect on it but I can try | 10:24 |
| jake9xx | 'sup sailors | 10:24 |
| SK_work | hi jake9xx ! | 10:24 |
| jake9xx | Hey SK_work , long time no C (or C++ either) | 10:25 |
| SK_work | :) | 10:25 |
| temmi_foo | it doesn't find any wlan it doesn't already know about and doesn't connect to any preconfigured one | 10:25 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: you have nothing to do? and have finished the gta? | 10:25 |
| temmi_foo | also entering any secret wlan info is impossible as it just hangs in the search dialog | 10:26 |
| jake9xx | tigeli: I've got some sort of office ebola, staying home and watching the ceiling | 10:26 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: haha, I don't have ebola but something similar :D | 10:27 |
| jake9xx | tigeli: I cannot play gta when kids are awake, for obvivous reasons | 10:27 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=9afa1864-3a43-455a-f47a-2e090761c3a0 | 10:27 |
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| jake9xx | ur hand? | 10:28 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: I did try on our latest u10 rc and it connects fine on wlan | 10:28 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: yeah | 10:28 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: it got "fixed" on early october.. | 10:28 |
| temmi_foo | i got tähkälampi | 10:29 |
| jake9xx | tigeli: fcuk man. http://cdn.meme.li/i/hlsd3.jpg | 10:29 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: that's 1.0.8.19 right? | 10:29 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: :D | 10:29 |
| SK_work | tigeli: tf | 10:29 |
| SK_work | wtf | 10:29 |
| tigeli | jake9xx: but it's getting better now.. I can already use it rather well, 4 weeks in a cast, 2 weeks in short plastic splint.. 3 months no heavy lifting | 10:30 |
| temmi_foo | 1.0.8.21 | 10:30 |
| jake9xx | tigeli: <3 | 10:30 |
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| jake9xx | but I had something to say here. have you guys looked at node.js running on jolla already? | 10:32 |
| jake9xx | and when talking about javascript performance, IL2CPP might be interesting project | 10:33 |
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| jake9xx | Stskeeps: ^ | 10:33 |
| * Stskeeps bookmarks | 10:34 | |
| jake9xx | we're working on that quite actively, mainly to get C# -> C++ pipeline working but we also study js->c#->c++ conversion | 10:35 |
| jake9xx | kinda having a moc of javascript, but with lotsa perf | 10:36 |
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| temmi_foo | is this using llvm or some other modular compiler toolchain? | 10:37 |
| SK_work | I2LCPP ? | 10:37 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: I did some small nodejs experment on Jolla | 10:37 |
| SK_work | nothing impressive, but did some stuff | 10:38 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: just curious of the overhead of node.js based server app vs. qprocess stuff | 10:38 |
| SK_work | the nodejs toolchain don't fit well with Mer OBS and that's a major bummer btw | 10:38 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: what would you compare ? | 10:38 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: are the problems there still if you remove the sim-card? | 10:39 |
| jake9xx | speed,ram, response times etc | 10:39 |
| SK_work | but what would you execute via qprocess ? | 10:39 |
| SK_work | what is the test case ? serving a basic webpage ? more dynamic content etc ? | 10:39 |
| SK_work | not easy to compare IMO | 10:39 |
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| temmi_foo | i'd not test serving at all but test something like hash computations | 10:42 |
| temmi_foo | from file to file or from stdin to stdout or something | 10:42 |
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| temmi_foo | testing | 10:45 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: true. two aspects here 1)booming interest of node.js currently 2)in client-server approach server implementation might be easier to do with node than qt | 10:45 |
| temmi_foo | now i selected connect to internet and it asked me would i want to join a hidden network | 10:45 |
| temmi_foo | i'm entering the credentials | 10:45 |
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| SK_work | jake9xx: agreed | 10:45 |
| SK_work | as I'm not really familiar with nodejs, I'm having issue starting nodejs based apps deployment | 10:46 |
| SK_work | as npm is not nice to be run on-device | 10:46 |
| stephg | npm is the spawn of the devil | 10:46 |
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| temmi_foo | every language has to have its own package management | 10:46 |
| temmi_foo | never mind whatever package managers already present on the system, We Know Better(TM) than your os vendor | 10:47 |
| temmi_foo | i think perl started this with cpan | 10:47 |
| SK_work | stephg: npm is nice enough to hide the 7-8 layers of dependencies a basic node project needs | 10:48 |
| temmi_foo | now i cannot select a hidden network to try again entering the network name and wpa psk | 10:48 |
| stephg | SK_work: well it depends what the deps are I suppose | 10:48 |
| stephg | did you get the mail btw? | 10:48 |
| SK_work | stephg: yep | 10:48 |
| stephg | cool | 10:48 |
| SK_work | sadly cannot do anything as I don't have the spec files :( | 10:48 |
| stephg | they're in the attached tarball | 10:49 |
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| jake9xx | stephg: npm is not the evil. people who don't obey deps are evil. | 10:49 |
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| jake9xx | and you can get away with nvm but it's not well documented (like most of the node magic in general) | 10:50 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: tested with a sim which has no subscription anymore.. and works too | 10:50 |
| SK_work | stephg: are they, I didn't checked | 10:50 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: nvm ? | 10:50 |
| temmi_foo | tigeli: 1.0.8.21 or 1.0.10.xyz? | 10:51 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: I will flash 1.0.8.21 to one of my devices and try agian | 10:51 |
| stephg | yup | 10:51 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: u10 | 10:51 |
| jake9xx | node version manager, https://github.com/creationix/nvm | 10:51 |
| temmi_foo | sysadmins love this | 10:52 |
| SK_work | looks nice | 10:52 |
| temmi_foo | to use a node application you instal the nodejs package from os vendors package repos and everything else from roughly 23 different repos and tools | 10:52 |
| SK_work | temmi_foo: or provides deps yuorself ? | 10:52 |
| temmi_foo | the node app devs naturally don't want to do that since they already provide a package for their own favourite node package deployment tool | 10:53 |
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| SK_work | stephg: I only have the .list files i tarball | 10:54 |
| SK_work | no spec | 10:54 |
| temmi_foo | which more often than not seems to be not npm but something else | 10:54 |
| jake9xx | temmi_foo: well, our releasing goes so that in testing we build a docker container which is then tested. once it's good to go it goes to production. Production won't be pulling anything w/o testing | 10:54 |
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| chem|st | I give up... people are discussing if a missing partition is the cause of read-only on a sdcard formated to btrfs | 10:55 |
| jake9xx | temmi_foo: the hazard is if you depend on some package which includes a wildcard for a version of it's deps | 10:55 |
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| temmi_foo | i'm thinking of releasing elli software in a container with preconfigured toolchain | 10:55 |
| stephg | SK_work: edfccfd4a108dd02054414e9ed568e3e sources.tar.bz2 | 10:56 |
| stephg | has I have 495 spec files in that | 10:56 |
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| SK_work | stephg: one sec | 10:56 |
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| * pp_ just put npm update in his rpm spec file and made npm a buildrequires :-) | 10:57 | |
| temmi_foo | anyhow tigeli now after rebooting it says no networks found | 10:57 |
| temmi_foo | my local wlan is secret and i think i typoed when entering credentials | 10:57 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: it's hidden network? | 10:57 |
| temmi_foo | it is | 10:58 |
| tigeli | (and yes, i hate all the bugs which consist a hidden network) :D | 10:58 |
| SK_work | stephg: hum | 10:58 |
| temmi_foo | after removing the sim and rebooting jolla, it asked me if i wanted to join a hidden network and asked the credentials | 10:58 |
| SK_work | I will try again, maybe 7zip is not happy | 10:58 |
| SK_work | stephg: ok, got it, extracting works, but viewing in 7zip do'nt | 10:59 |
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| SK_work | thanks for this, will be immensely useful | 10:59 |
| stephg | no probs | 10:59 |
| stephg | and the instructions to make the whole source tree should work as well should you need to | 11:00 |
| stephg | e.g. to keep it up to date | 11:00 |
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| tigeli | temmi_foo: tested with 1.0.8.19 and wlan works | 11:01 |
| SK_work | stephg: mind writing it at the end of the wiki ? :) | 11:01 |
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| SK_work | or even better | 11:02 |
| temmi_foo | might be that i'm running a hidden wlan | 11:02 |
| SK_work | can you write a shell script and push it in some repo ? | 11:02 |
| SK_work | and then, link to the wiki page ? | 11:02 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: it probably is.. and I know that there are some issues on scanning/searching hidden networks | 11:02 |
| stephg | it needs cleaning up but I could do that | 11:02 |
| stephg | (I also need to understand jq properly, having to use sed in there is ugly) | 11:02 |
| temmi_foo | tigeli: lets just say i'll eventually reconfigure my wlans and get the sim working too | 11:03 |
| chem|st | hmm oneplus without invitation today... | 11:03 |
| chem|st | can we have sailfish for it please? | 11:03 |
| chem|st | ;) | 11:03 |
| stephg | chem|st: vgrade was working on it | 11:04 |
| stephg | but there's a gpu blocker iirc | 11:04 |
| tigeli | temmi_foo: yeah, fundamentally hidden wlans are broken as they are not broadcasting the essid but then their clients are shouting out loud with active scans "are you there essid_name?" | 11:05 |
| tigeli | but that's another issue | 11:06 |
| temmi_foo | i'm disliking wifi nearly as much as bluetooth | 11:07 |
| zutto | temmi_foo: what about bluetooth-wifi :P? | 11:09 |
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| temmi_foo | if i could, i would use just ethernet everywhere | 11:10 |
| temmi_foo | it is not without mistakes but after multiport bridges became the standard way of operation, it works pretty nicely | 11:11 |
| temmi_foo | multiport bridges is just a fancy way of saying store and forward switches | 11:11 |
| jake9xx | bbl | 11:11 |
| inz | Running around with a cable reel on your back is not fun, got a taste of that during the military service ;) | 11:11 |
| temmi_foo | inz - .. - .- .-. .. --- -. .-. .. - .- .-. .. | 11:12 |
| Waitee | whaat | 11:13 |
| Waitee | inz: that was the best stuff i had in military :D | 11:13 |
| temmi_foo | i'm a morse code operator | 11:13 |
| temmi_foo | basically my wartime duty would have been to be the last group in place after yhtymä leaves a location to call an enemy air strike or something | 11:14 |
| meklu | hmm, wonder what I'll get to enjoy | 11:14 |
| temmi_foo | any manual morse transmission needs minutes and happens on a band that is heard everywhere this side of ural | 11:15 |
| meklu | my service will begin on the 5th D: | 11:15 |
| Waitee | huoltokomppania best | 11:15 |
| Teme | #jollamobile_inttijutut :D | 11:15 |
| Waitee | :--D | 11:15 |
| temmi_foo | also with a nice scanning network it can be pinpointed to accuracy of a few km | 11:15 |
| temmi_foo | anyhow the off roading part is nice | 11:16 |
| meklu | so you can get mortared all nice and smooth? | 11:16 |
| meklu | sounds like fun | 11:16 |
| temmi_foo | yes | 11:16 |
| temmi_foo | that's me | 11:16 |
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| Waitee | well if you use frequency hopping, your radio can be pinpointed by a few hundred meters | 11:17 |
| temmi_foo | you get to drive around someone elses ground property in someone elses off road vehicle and the official instructor is mostly yelling to keep the pedal to the metal | 11:17 |
| zutto | even less than that Waitee | 11:17 |
| Waitee | well assuming you send max 3 second bursts | 11:18 |
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| tigeli | Waitee: but the radio is never next to you or you are doing something wrong :) | 11:20 |
| temmi_foo | hf cw is just outdated, that's all | 11:20 |
| Waitee | tigeli: true | 11:21 |
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| coderus | MazeLock patch updated to 0.0.3: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 13:00 |
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| SK_work | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS#OSS_packages updated with mer packages (ATM) | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-team-day-zero-bootstrapping/ | 13:38 |
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| coderus | just tried skype on jolla and video works fine :) | 13:41 |
| meklu | the android version, right? | 13:42 |
| coderus | sure | 13:43 |
| coderus | just it was reported many times about skype not working at all, not working calls, video. | 13:43 |
| coderus | i just tried it myself and everything works fine | 13:43 |
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| locusf | SK_work: stephg: good job :) | 13:46 |
| Waitee | a couple versions ago skype couldnt connect | 13:46 |
| Waitee | at least on my device | 13:46 |
| j-doge | skype has had its share of troubles, but afaik it should just work(tm) at the moment | 13:48 |
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| Waitee | well i messed something and skype won't update | 13:51 |
| Waitee | but i guess its not skypes fault | 13:51 |
| Waitee | and it works fine apart from that | 13:51 |
| SK_work | locusf: got the full list with repos from mer / nemo packages and nemo | 13:52 |
| SK_work | problem: not all packages were found | 13:53 |
| SK_work | stephg: I think you missed some repos from nemomobile on github ? | 13:54 |
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| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: nice blog post | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | thank | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | s | 14:19 |
| Scelt | +1 | 14:19 |
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| xehbit | oh damn, i love this jolla phone! received it 2 days ago. but how about security. is it safe to store private keys on it? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, i am not that afraid since i have a locked bootloader and to unlock it you need a lock code; and a lock code on boot.. but i would suggest your own evaluation | 14:44 |
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| xehbit | I like to use the Jolla phone for work, instead of my Android M7 phone | 14:46 |
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| Nicd- | xehbit: if you use a lock code it is pretty secure | 14:47 |
| xehbit | I even set the USB mode default to charche only mode | 14:47 |
| xehbit | charge | 14:47 |
| Nicd- | since you cannot read data off it without that code (only if you have ssh login enabled or if you rip away the memory chips I think) | 14:47 |
| xehbit | So it should be fine i guess, the only this is; all apps can read data from other apps unlike android has a unix user for each app while sailfish uses a single user 'nemo' for all apps | 14:48 |
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| Nicd- | yes, all apps currently have user permissions | 14:49 |
| xehbit | What i dont get is; there is a dalvik runmod, how about android apps. Can they reach the data from the nemo user as well ? | 14:49 |
| xehbit | Or is the dalvik runmode running in a sandbox thing ? | 14:49 |
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| Sailor11736 | Oåcp | 14:53 |
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| coderus | xehbit: android can read nemo files with no problems | 14:53 |
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| stephg | SK_work: what's missing? | 15:04 |
| stephg | (it's possible) | 15:05 |
| SK_work | check the list | 15:05 |
| SK_work | stuff like packagekit | 15:05 |
| SK_work | connman | 15:05 |
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| stephg | weird | 15:08 |
| chem|st | xehbit: I think you need to unlock it to be able to read anything from it with USB | 15:08 |
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| xehbit | And what about booting the jolla in recovery, the storage is still protected ? | 15:08 |
| coderus | xehbit: you can't access it without entering lock code | 15:09 |
| xehbit | Still waiting for a feature to password protect the phone instead using a pin. | 15:09 |
| xehbit | ah, thanks for the intel chem|st and coderus :) | 15:09 |
| chem|st | xehbit: that is what most of us are waiting for | 15:09 |
| j-doge | alphanumerical lock code? | 15:09 |
| stephg | SK_work: so connman comes from mer-core by the looks | 15:10 |
| SK_work | stephg: nope, it comes from nemomobile | 15:10 |
| xehbit | Is there a way to contribute on the Sailfish OS ? | 15:10 |
| coderus | alphanumeric will be available in next release | 15:10 |
| stephg | but it's not there | 15:10 |
| xehbit | alphanumeric ? | 15:10 |
| stephg | show me a github url that it's in as I can't see one :) | 15:10 |
| coderus | xehbit: on mer/nemo components yes, on sailfish/silica no | 15:10 |
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| coderus | xehbit: alphanumeric | 15:11 |
| chem|st | xehbit: you can work on many parts... depends on what you are familiar with or want to contribute too | 15:11 |
| stephg | there's a libconnman-qt (which generates libconnman-qt and -qt5 rpms) but no connman | 15:11 |
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| chem|st | xehbit: some people would love to have thevault (backup tool) be more feature rich and have it export passwordprotected to home and not only sdcard | 15:12 |
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| xehbit | ah, i see | 15:13 |
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| chem|st | the browser does render some pages wrong... | 15:14 |
| chem|st | starting with about:* | 15:14 |
| coderus | chem|st: about: pages are mozilla engine own pages | 15:16 |
| coderus | what problem with render? | 15:16 |
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| coderus | if you can't control it and change somwthing it's different | 15:16 |
| chem|st | coderus: I can neither change something nor can I get to an apply button nor anything else as the page renders at a size so you only see 13% of it | 15:17 |
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| chem|st | coderus: there is a whole set of pages on tjc that does wierd stuff or are broken | 15:19 |
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| tiwake | temmi_foo: what is cool? | 16:04 |
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| xehbit | what what is cool ? | 16:12 |
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| TMavica | how cold Finland now? | 16:20 |
| Waitee | depends how north you go | 16:20 |
| Waitee | turku it's -1 | 16:20 |
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| Shinryuu | near Oulu it's pretty much the same | 16:24 |
| coderus | cool | 16:25 |
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| tiwake | xehbit: donno... I'm guessing the anandtech article I linked a while ago, but I dont really remember and my scrollback does not go quite that far | 16:25 |
| coderus | what is forecast for new year holidays? | 16:25 |
| misterux | hello there | 16:26 |
| chem|st | coderus: a meteorologist that believes more than 3 days of forecast should retire (do them say) | 16:27 |
| TMavica | coderus: how is ur plan | 16:28 |
| tiwake | woot | 16:32 |
| tiwake | I dont have to go in to work today | 16:32 |
| TemeV | 15 day forecast for Helsinki: http://www.foreca.fi/Finland/Helsinki/15vrk | 16:33 |
| TemeV | first highest temperature, then lowest and amount of rain | 16:33 |
| TemeV | but in general, "it could be anything" | 16:33 |
| japa-fi | Is there a browser to jolla that is similar to the opera I had in my N900. Mainly I want to have zoom which will rewrap the text. | 16:34 |
| the_mgt | there is opera via android | 16:34 |
| japa-fi | That is to say: with jolla's default browser, when I zoom, the text size increases, but I have to scrolle left and right to be able to read one line of text. Such a PITA. | 16:34 |
| japa-fi | With opera in N900, it increased the font size (and images etc) and rewrapped the layout so that all text was shown in dislpay area, no scrollling left-right.. | 16:35 |
| japa-fi | (Note to all browser coders here: Kickass functionality) | 16:35 |
| TemeV | how's the battery consumption with Android opera? Android Firefox atleast makes the phone burn and eats the battery | 16:35 |
| TemeV | I guess I could try it myself also | 16:36 |
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| Tomin | I've been wondring why for example Firefox doesn't do that, but apparently it is patented by HTC: https://together.jolla.com/question/2245/reflow-text-in-browser/ | 16:39 |
| japa-fi | frigging software patents.. | 16:40 |
| TemeV | if there is a patent on that, it's not valid outside us | 16:40 |
| raa700_ | opera for android has that option | 16:41 |
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| Tomin | yes, but there are still people that has to care about those patents. I don't know if Jolla has to | 16:42 |
| japa-fi | I looked at opera for android and it seemed to be a privacy hell.. | 16:42 |
| TemeV | japa-fi: why? | 16:42 |
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| japa-fi | I think it required access for my locaction and other stuff.. | 16:43 |
| raa700_ | some websites ask for location | 16:43 |
| raa700_ | for localized weather and other bs | 16:44 |
| TemeV | japa-fi: I just installed opera, I didn't see it requiring anything that browser wouldn't need | 16:44 |
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| japa-fi | Phone identity? | 16:45 |
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| TemeV | hmm... I guess I missed that one. I didn't look too carefull to be honest | 16:46 |
| the_mgt | on a mobile browser, access to location is nice. you grant the general right to do that, but most of the time you get to decide which page actually gets the access to the location | 16:46 |
| raa700_ | you probably can spoof that with aliendalvik? | 16:46 |
| japa-fi | perhaps I'll try installing and strip some of the rights away and see if it works. | 16:46 |
| misterux | just a quick question folks.... have any of you ever applied for a job at Jolla, and is it normal that it takes quite some time to get an answer? | 16:47 |
| the_mgt | the whole reflow thing can't be too complicated, imho. you "just" need to resize the container so it does not leak outside the viewport | 16:47 |
| japa-fi | some apps (don't recall which) ask for totally unrelated accesses. (location seems to be their favorite). For example shazam (or what ever the tune identifier). Didn't work without location permissions. | 16:47 |
| the_mgt | operas zooming has always been nice, on the desktop too | 16:48 |
| raa700_ | till 12.x at least | 16:48 |
| TemeV | japa-fi: yeah, some apps need really peculiar rights | 16:48 |
| japa-fi | Soundcloud: location data, your contacts, call log | 16:49 |
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| japa-fi | Guess it's hip to share things with your location information.. | 16:49 |
| japa-fi | And to look trough my contacts to suggest someone to share to. | 16:50 |
| japa-fi | And even those that you've called but don't have in your contact database. | 16:50 |
| japa-fi | Just that I'm such a tinfoil hat... | 16:50 |
| TemeV | opera address bar seems to be broken | 16:50 |
| TemeV | I can | 16:50 |
| the_mgt | contact database means: you can share something with somebody from your contacts, i guess | 16:50 |
| coderus | TMavica: i will be in Helsinki 29 Dec - 04 Jan, then go to north, 08 Dec my last day in Finland | 16:50 |
| japa-fi | Which reminds me: There is no gpg for jolla :( | 16:50 |
| TemeV | I can't type anything there | 16:50 |
| the_mgt | but most of these rights "frighten" me, too, when installing apks | 16:51 |
| japa-fi | Also bit frightened for native apps as they don't even mention the rights. | 16:51 |
| the_mgt | then again, we have totally no clue and permission system for jolla apps :( | 16:51 |
| the_mgt | even worse for the warehouse stuff | 16:52 |
| japa-fi | Also had issues trying to locate SIP client, many of the candidates seemed to want every right imaginable | 16:52 |
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| coderus | Help me testing LauncherGrid Advanced + FolderIcons combined patch: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1452535#post1452535 | 17:03 |
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| japa-fi | coderus, Wasn't even aware of this software. The right ambience switcher looks something I've been missing | 17:08 |
| coderus | japa-fi: what you mean? | 17:09 |
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| japa-fi | The slide from left to right to get the settings... | 17:09 |
| japa-fi | as in the demo vide | 17:09 |
| coderus | japa-fi: ah, i'm using settings in notifications view | 17:09 |
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| coderus | the best place imho | 17:09 |
| coderus | inside ambiance it hard to reach also | 17:09 |
| japa-fi | I get currently nothing when I slide from right to left | 17:10 |
| coderus | but notifications view you can peak anywhere :) | 17:10 |
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| japa-fi | Do I need patchmanager to enable that feature? | 17:11 |
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| coderus | japa-fi: i dont understand well what you want, but just read patchmanager topic to find something useful and check openrepos.net, there are also some patches available | 17:13 |
| japa-fi | coderus, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=885dbd801640033b566c5ab35b7c3009&t=92935 the video by @fravaccaro at 4 second from the start, the functionality what is shown on video | 17:15 |
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| coderus | give me link to video | 17:16 |
| japa-fi | http://distilleryvesper2-10.ak.instagram.com/b3305c20c0f911e389080002c9e093e6_101.mp4 | 17:16 |
| SK_work | right ambience switcher with "control center" | 17:17 |
| SK_work | the API changed a lot | 17:17 |
| SK_work | so I developed the partnerspace manaer thing | 17:17 |
| SK_work | not working totally so no advertisement about it | 17:17 |
| coderus | for settings best place is notifications imho | 17:19 |
| coderus | there is control center in notifications patch | 17:20 |
| coderus | should work well | 17:20 |
| SK_work | coderus: I don't totally agree | 17:20 |
| SK_work | as it "wastes space" | 17:20 |
| SK_work | so both options are here :) | 17:20 |
| coderus | SK_work: wastes space? | 17:22 |
| coderus | if you have a lot of notifications - yes | 17:22 |
| SK_work | coderus: I mean, I can have like 5-6 rows of notifs | 17:22 |
| SK_work | and my switches is a huge block | 17:22 |
| SK_work | so I prefer having them separated | 17:22 |
| chem|st | japa-fi: why is up down different from left right? I hate it when browsers keep things to screen size | 17:22 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: because it adds left/right to up/down, adding a whole new dimension of madness | 17:27 |
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| the_mgt | if you write on a piece of paper, you usually stop on the page border, start next line, until you reach the bottom of the page. only then do you start to use the other side of the paper | 17:28 |
| tiwake | I want to try getting into writing software a little again... cant wait for the tablet to do so with | 17:29 |
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| jcbjoe_ | helllo my nexus phone is going to be a jolla phone .. i live in the United States .. i heared there will be no LTE but there will be 3g is this correct or am i missing something ? | 17:37 |
| jcbjoe_ | s/nexus/next/ | 17:38 |
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| coderus | SK_work: reasonable, but for me the most important is to reach settings from any place | 17:38 |
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| tbr | jcbjoe_: you mean a real jolla? not sailfish on a nexus? | 17:38 |
| SK_work | coderus: I don't need settings from *everywhere* | 17:38 |
| SK_work | IMO settings without an app is enough | 17:38 |
| SK_work | of course, IMO = subjective | 17:38 |
| SK_work | best to have options | 17:38 |
| tbr | jcbjoe_: I don't think anything beyond plain GSM/GPRS/EDGE will work in the US | 17:39 |
| jcbjoe_ | tbr: a reall jolla phone | 17:39 |
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| jcbjoe_ | tbr: http://i.imgur.com/6u33qAj.png | 17:43 |
| jcbjoe_ | tbr: its safe url its about the phone | 17:43 |
| jcbjoe_ | is it accurate ? | 17:43 |
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| tbr | jcbjoe_: that looks like one of those gsm-arena pages, I don't trust them | 17:43 |
| jcbjoe_ | oh .. a couple of people said that | 17:44 |
| tbr | jcbjoe_: from what I've heard people in the US got 2G (so GSM), but not 3G and not LTE | 17:44 |
| tbr | there are small parts of canada where apparently LTE will work on rogers | 17:44 |
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| jcbjoe_ | tbr: the way i use my phone now might as well be the same .. i'm on t-mobile and i only have 1 gig of data so basically i juse use text and phone calls .. when i do use data i shut it off really quick to avoid being charged anything and just wait till i get to a wifi location | 17:46 |
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| ryukafalz | I use t-mobile as well, but I have 5 GB of data so I just don't worry about it | 17:52 |
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| ryukafalz | and for $30 too | 17:52 |
| tiwake | a jolla phone here in USA would be nice, data or not | 17:54 |
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| ryukafalz | I'm happy with my Nexus 4, but the lack of certain features is annoying at times, heh | 17:56 |
| jcbjoe_ | ryukafalz: true | 17:56 |
| ryukafalz | most notable bluetooth :< | 17:57 |
| jcbjoe_ | ryukafalz: does your nexus4 lock / device lock ? i can't get mine to work .. am i doing something wrong ? | 17:58 |
| ryukafalz | jcbjoe_: Ah yeah, that also doesn't work | 17:58 |
| ryukafalz | I haven't looked into why that is in detail though | 17:59 |
| jcbjoe_ | oh ok thought it was me i was like .. am i holding it wrong lol | 17:59 |
| ryukafalz | it's not an iPhone, you can't hold it wrong ;) | 17:59 |
| sledges | jcbjoe_: ryukafalz: try `pkcon install jolla-devicelock-encsfa` as devel-su | 17:59 |
| * ryukafalz pokes at it | 17:59 | |
| sledges | (feedback in #sailfishos-porters, not a place here, soz for OT;P) | 17:59 |
| jcbjoe_ | ok thanks sledges | 17:59 |
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| tiwake | bigger hammer is required to fix cellphones | 18:11 |
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| inte | hello, im trying to install an apk but i always get a parsing error | 18:31 |
| inte | is there a way to somehow exermine further whats going on? | 18:32 |
| coderus | inte: try to open your apk with archiver on pc | 18:32 |
| inte | ⚠ | 18:32 |
| inte | coderus : ok which archiver? | 18:33 |
| coderus | any | 18:33 |
| coderus | apk is zip archive | 18:33 |
| inte | so i could try it on the terminal on my jolla as well? | 18:34 |
| coderus | sure | 18:34 |
| coderus | try unzip file.apk | 18:34 |
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| inte | done | 18:35 |
| inte | and...? | 18:36 |
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| coderus | now show error you getting when installing apk | 18:38 |
| coderus | and show unzip output | 18:38 |
| inte | i dont quite get it | 18:40 |
| inte | no error when unzipping? | 18:40 |
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| misterux | Hi folks. Have any of you ever applied for a job at Jolla,? Is it normal that it takes quite some time (e.g. that long) to get an answer? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it takes quite long | 18:43 |
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| misterux | any experiences Stskeeps ? its been about 3,5 weeks now. I havent got a cancellation yet, but neither any feedback ;) | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, admittedly i've never applied with jolla, i just had a talk with marc dillon before jolla even existed... :P | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | so i can't say i have experience as such | 18:45 |
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| misterux | ah, nice :) so guess i will just have to wait. Ah well ... | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | what did you apply for? | 18:45 |
| misterux | thanks anyway | 18:45 |
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| misterux | applyed as a software tester. i recently completed my usabilty degreee so it would naturally be a dream to be able to start at jolla | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 18:49 |
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| beidl | misterux: same "problem" here :) | 19:08 |
| beidl | oh he's gone | 19:08 |
| tiwake | heh | 19:08 |
| inte | coderus i dont quite get it | 19:09 |
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| Tegu | my jolla has returned \o/ | 19:39 |
| Tegu | vibration working now and no green stuck pixels | 19:39 |
| tiwake | woo | 19:39 |
| beidl | \o/ | 19:39 |
| tiwake | wish I had one that I could get fixed... lol | 19:40 |
| Tegu | actually this is a new one. it even has the screen protector | 19:41 |
| Tegu | but TOH is he same. battery is probably old, I guess.. not sure | 19:42 |
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| Tegu | now I disabled the fingerterm vibration just to be sure :P | 19:44 |
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| temmi_foo | tiwake: i forgot | 19:47 |
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| tiwake | temmi_foo: I forget what I asked you about | 19:48 |
| tiwake | or w/e | 19:48 |
| tiwake | lol | 19:49 |
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| temmi_foo | :D | 19:54 |
| temmi_foo | i went to fix one of my saabs with a friend | 19:55 |
| temmi_foo | no chatting from under the car | 19:55 |
| Ezko | are you infected with saabism? | 19:56 |
| inte | i thought saab is going for electric cars now | 19:57 |
| inte | at least i read they gonna be resurrected by a chinese company with focus on alternative energy | 19:58 |
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| temmi_foo | Ezko: yes, we had a 900 when i was a kid | 20:17 |
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| temmi_foo | we had pretty poor cars at first but then my dads startups started to turn good and he bought a brand new talbot horizon | 20:19 |
| temmi_foo | soon he could upgrade to a saab 900, also new | 20:19 |
| temmi_foo | we had couple of those | 20:19 |
| temmi_foo | you might have read papers his teknopress published | 20:20 |
| temmi_foo | Prosessori, Mikrobitti, C=, Pelit, Tietokone, Hifi | 20:20 |
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| Obi-Lan | smoke in horizon | 20:21 |
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| mado | Hello everyone ... | 20:53 |
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| mado | I'd like to ask you ... I'm currently trying to access my parents home wlan with the Jolla phone ... unfortunately though while i'm entering the password I'm getting thrown out and asked to enter the password again ... (even though I've got a full strength signal here) ... Can you tell me what I can do to prevent this? | 20:55 |
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| mado | Hello to the people who aarived here in the mean-time ... I'd like to ask you too ... I'm currently trying to access my parents home wlan with the Jolla phone ... unfortunately though while i'm entering the password I'm getting thrown out and asked to enter the password again ... (even though I've got a full strength signal here) ... Can you tell me what I can do to prevent this? or what the problem can be? ... I mean ... I'm typing the password | 21:07 |
| mado | as fast as I can | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there a button for forgetting the network if you tap-and-hold? | 21:08 |
| phlixi | first of all, please make sure, you are super sure and dounblechecked, that you really do not misstyped the password. | 21:09 |
| phlixi | for example, type into to something else first, and copy it, to paste it into the connect dialog | 21:09 |
| phaeron | mado: is mobile data turned on ? | 21:10 |
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| mado | phlixi, i don't know yet how to copy and paste :D ... ... also ... phaeron i'm not sure what you mean ... i went to settings activated WLAN there and then it asked me to connect to a WLAN in the area ... i picked my parents' wlan and I'm getting asked for the password | 21:11 |
| mado | how do you copy and paste something, phlixi ? ... that could buy me some time ;) | 21:12 |
| phlixi | you can mark editable text, then it should be copied by having it marked | 21:12 |
| phlixi | if you have no apps installed at all so far, you can use for example the "edit name" within a contact | 21:13 |
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| phlixi | ...you can even send the password as a contact via bluetooth from another phone (thats what i did when used the jolla the very first time... | 21:13 |
| bjorn | Unfortunately you can't copy out of an e-mail, but you can copy from the quoted text if you go to send a reply. | 21:13 |
| phlixi | ...sinnce my passwords look like this we8N5X4HBwLKotyQ86Z8zmKUgwNCtBzknMSG3RcW ... and i do not like to type those ;-) | 21:14 |
| mado | well ... my family's passwords look like that as well :D | 21:14 |
| mado | aaand i haven't installed or set anything yet ... i got this phone today (if you were here a few more days ago) I was here before reporting a screen-issue | 21:15 |
| phlixi | from a secutrity standpoint it would be pretty silly to email the password (well, given some paranoiy levels... :-) ) | 21:15 |
| mado | :) | 21:15 |
| mado | also ... i still need to get a new sim card (I will try and get one by the end of this week) but i thought i could at least install some updates and maybe some apps so far :) | 21:16 |
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| Obi-Lan | I think I had similar problems with store login | 21:18 |
| mado | am trying to mark the password now ... | 21:18 |
| Obi-Lan | it kicked out while typing password | 21:18 |
| mado | but so far i cannot mark the word ;) | 21:18 |
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| mado | and regarding the sending the password from another phone method ... that won't be possible ... i am the only one in my family who has a smartphone | 21:19 |
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| Obi-Lan | think it went away after reboot | 21:19 |
| Obi-Lan | the firmware which came with phone was bit unstable | 21:19 |
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| mado | will the firmware get updated then as well when I finally can connect to the internet? | 21:20 |
| phlixi | mado: howto for copy&paste wlan password to a "naked" phone: https://together.jolla.com/question/14165/howto-copy-paste-wlan-settings/?answer=14586#post-id-14586 | 21:21 |
| Obi-Lan | you need to activate jolla account | 21:22 |
| phlixi | ...if you do not have any other phone to send it as a contact, you might want to use a laptop with bluetoth ;-) | 21:22 |
| Obi-Lan | then you can upgrade sailfish | 21:22 |
| temmi_foo | oh btw | 21:22 |
| phlixi | otherwise i can not think of a way without typing it | 21:22 |
| mornfall | what about WPS? doesn't that work? | 21:23 |
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| temmi_foo | if i surf on the jolla and hit "share", what happens? where is what exactly shared? | 21:23 |
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| mado | can't i copy-paste the password when i type it into a text message? | 21:23 |
| phlixi | temmi_foo: press it, you will be asked | 21:23 |
| mornfall | mado: it'd probably work, yes | 21:24 |
| mado | ok ... then let me try this first :) | 21:24 |
| mornfall | mado: anywhere you can select text, you can type it and copy it | 21:24 |
| phlixi | mado: sure, that was my first suggestion ;-) | 21:24 |
| phlixi | [2014-12-17 22:12:53] <phlixi> you can mark editable text, then it should be copied by having it marked | 21:24 |
| mado | phlixi, ... am still trying to find out though how to actually mark, copy and paste a text :) | 21:24 |
| mornfall | mado: yes, well, it is a bit tricky :) | 21:24 |
| mornfall | I still can't do it reliably after almost a year ;P | 21:25 |
| phlixi | once it is copied, you get the little symbol above the keyboard | 21:25 |
| phlixi | tapping the symbol should paste the text | 21:25 |
| mado | wait phlixi ... you have to go back a few steps :) | 21:25 |
| mado | i have not even marked the text yet | 21:25 |
| Obi-Lan | it should be pretty much same as android | 21:25 |
| mado | and mornfall ... glad i'm not the only having some problem there :) | 21:25 |
| phlixi | tap hold and move? :) | 21:25 |
| mado | Obi-Lan, ... i have never had a modern mobile phone before | 21:26 |
| phlixi | mado: [2014-12-17 22:13:14] <phlixi> if you have no apps installed at all so far, you can use for example the "edit name" within a contact | 21:26 |
| mado | sooo ... i don't have any Android experience ... or iOS or whatever else is out there | 21:26 |
| Obi-Lan | you can go type sms, type the passwd, press the text and hold it | 21:26 |
| mado | before the Jolla i had a pretty old Samsung that lasted for about four years | 21:26 |
| Obi-Lan | it should be copied | 21:26 |
| mado | thanks phlixi ;) | 21:26 |
| mado | and thanks Obi-Lan ... | 21:26 |
| mado | lemme try :) | 21:27 |
| * phlixi is wondering whether it might be easier to setup an WLAN hotspot, SSH into the device, and put the WLAN password that why into the phone | 21:30 | |
| phlixi | a wait, there was no wlan sharing in the firmware one year ago | 21:30 |
| ryukafalz | phlixi: are you trying to log in via USB? | 21:30 |
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| ryukafalz | oh, never mind, saw the link above | 21:31 |
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| phlixi | ryukafalz: no i am trying to think of other ways than https://together.jolla.com/question/14165/howto-copy-paste-wlan-settings/?answer=14586#post-id-14586 withot typing the password (in a half decent secure way and without a SIM) | 21:31 |
| mado | yay ... i managed to mark the text now | 21:31 |
| phlixi | ....and without bluetooth | 21:31 |
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| ryukafalz | hmm... I'm not too familiar with connman but with networkmanager you could copy the config file | 21:32 |
| mado | yay ... now i'm connected :) | 21:32 |
| phlixi | mado: then there should be the copied text displayed in the soft-keyboard and the "paste" symbol besides | 21:32 |
| phlixi | great ;-) | 21:32 |
| mado | and now ... updates :) | 21:33 |
| mado | (as i was told that i have to make sure to do them regularly as well) | 21:33 |
| Obi-Lan | yes, before anything else | 21:33 |
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| Obi-Lan | though latest stable public release is still from july | 21:33 |
| mado | do i have to select any sources there or something? ... so that i only get things labled as stable or close to stable? | 21:34 |
| Yaniel | no | 21:34 |
| phlixi | mado: you get only stable updates as long as you do not "opt-in" into the other stuff | 21:35 |
| mado | what do you mean, phlixi ? | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | by default you only get stable updates | 21:36 |
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| mado | ok :) ... thanks Yaniel :) | 21:36 |
| Obi-Lan | "opt-in" means sending mail to jolla customer support | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | but there are some unstable updates that you can get by sending an opt-in email | 21:36 |
| mado | oh ... in other words ... when i specifically ask for something i will get something labled as something other than "stable" ? | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | yep | 21:37 |
| mado | ok ... understood | 21:38 |
| phlixi | mado: more details about the opt in: https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/ | 21:38 |
| Obi-Lan | zzz | 21:38 |
| mado | Obi-Lan, is this your way of saying "Good night" ? ;) | 21:39 |
| mado | thanks phlixi | 21:39 |
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| phlixi | mado: no problem ;-) by the way, TJC (together.jolla.com) has a lot of useful info ;-) | 21:40 |
| mado | phlixi, ... if you've got more links ... feel free to post 'em ... i'll try and collect 'em all ;D | 21:40 |
| phlixi | and by saying that, without looking there *g* where is the phone book stored? | 21:40 |
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| mado | pardon? | 21:41 |
| mado | the phone book? ... as in ... the contacts? | 21:41 |
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| phlixi | yes, but nevermind, already found it, https://together.jolla.com/question/58416/fixing-the-contacts-db/ | 21:43 |
| mado | if that is what you mean then i'd say ... i don't know WHERE they can be found but i know that later when i get my new sim card i just need to use the "pick up phone"-symbol and then use this drop-menu from the top | 21:43 |
| mado | also ... i just read that the updates are to be found in the store | 21:44 |
| phlixi | sure, to manually edit the phonebook, i would like to script something where i need to read and write the phonebook without typing something ;-) | 21:44 |
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| mado | err ... how would that work? ... voice-command? | 21:45 |
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| phlixi | with python scripts to automatically ex- and import contatcs... | 21:47 |
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| mado | hmmm ... but where then do you get them from? ... and is this one of the things that e.g. other people will get to use too? | 21:52 |
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| mado | i mean ... i read that people can program apps and such stuff and improve the phone | 21:52 |
| phlixi | not sure, i do not plan some fancy apps, just some scripts to handle my data | 21:55 |
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| mado | well ... just saying that other people can profit from various things too ... maybe what you plan there is something other people would love too :) | 21:56 |
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| mado | also ... i told my dad that the connection works now and he asked me ... and now you (since i don't know) ... is it possible to use the phone or some free app for navigation? | 21:57 |
| mado | as in ... telling the phone where we are and where we'd like to go or drive ... or e.g. letting the phone find out itself where "we" are | 21:58 |
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| mado | also ... here's another question by my dad ... is it possible to quickly record a phone call with this phone? (especially if someone calls and decides to harrass or insult me or someone else using the phone?) | 22:00 |
| daitheflu | mado: I saw something about recording a phone call | 22:01 |
| daitheflu | mado: just let me check | 22:01 |
| ryukafalz | https://openrepos.net/content/dpurgin/call-recorder | 22:01 |
| mado | oh? ... certainly ... daitheflu :) | 22:01 |
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| phlixi | never thought about recording phone calls, actually i think (at least here in germany) it is iligal (of course not when you ask) when you get harrased, simply quit the call^^ | 22:01 |
| daitheflu | mado: https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/ | 22:02 |
| mado | sure phlixi ... i'd do that too ... but you know ... some people can be slimy ... they're nice at first but then insult you or something :) ... it's a "just in case"-question :) | 22:02 |
| ryukafalz | depends on where you live - where I am it's legal to record a conversation as long as at least one party consents | 22:03 |
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| mado | :) | 22:03 |
| mado | thanks ryukafalz and daitheflu for those two links ... | 22:03 |
| daitheflu | mado: for navigation, I don't know :/ | 22:03 |
| mado | that's ok ... but you had an answer to one of the questions ... that counts :D | 22:04 |
| daitheflu | mado: and about knowing where you are, activate the GPS, and the maps app should locate you | 22:04 |
| ryukafalz | re: navigation, there's modrana, though I haven't used it myself | 22:04 |
| ryukafalz | http://modrana.org/trac | 22:04 |
| mado | also ... can you tell me please ... i haven't changed anything in the settings but the phone doesn't vibrate any more when hovering over some menu point | 22:04 |
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| mado | and sorry ... yet again i need to bother you with something probably silly / easy ... the phone just downloaded and installed an update, rebooted and everything's black ... i double-tapped it as in "wake up" and it's back ... now when i go back to the store-app i can't find any message telling me something about further updates ... does this mean i only had to install one update? | 22:08 |
| mado | (apparently i'm using the OS version 1.0.8.21 now) | 22:09 |
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| ryukafalz | mado: That's the latest normal release, so yes | 22:16 |
| phlixi | mado: 1.0.8.21 is currrent version. for system update you can go to the settings app => system => sailfish os updates | 22:16 |
| mado | ok ... and what about the vibration-feature? | 22:17 |
| mado | also ... it's nice to see that installing the updates wasn't / isn't all too dificult | 22:17 |
| mado | typo-correction: difficult | 22:17 |
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| mado | and before i forget ... is there a store-tutorial too? | 22:18 |
| phlixi | future updates will announce themselves automatically to you as a normal alert, like an sms... | 22:18 |
| mado | nice! | 22:19 |
| phlixi | regarding the vibrations within the pulley menue, no idea, maybe its configurable (scheck settings) or maybe it has to do with the updates you just did, and will comeback after reboot etc... no idea... | 22:19 |
| mado | well the thing is phlixi ... those vibrations stopped some time before i tried to connect to the WLAN the first time | 22:20 |
| mado | but no worries ... i will look around :) | 22:20 |
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| mado | also ... it's interesting to see that the update changed the tutorial completely :D | 22:23 |
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| phlixi | salyavin: https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish/issues/9 :-) | 22:23 |
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| mado | phlixi, ? ... one more question please ... | 22:29 |
| mado | Jolla customer support told me that you can find out what data an app needs from you ... (similar to facebook, so it said) ... but where can i find this info? | 22:29 |
| phlixi | first rule on irc, dont ask to ask, just ask (then wait, if someone knows, someone will answer...) :-) | 22:29 |
| phlixi | i am not sure what info you are looking about | 22:30 |
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| mado | well ... before you install i was told that somewhere it says the app needs your contact list, or needs to know when you were born, etc | 22:31 |
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| phlixi | android & ios have such feature, that they show you before installing an app what permissions this app needs, for example access to GPS location or phonebook. then you can decide whether to install this app or not. i do not know of a similar sailfish os feature yet. | 22:35 |
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| Tegu | I did not even remember that name, birthday etc are asked during the first start until today. but it was skippable so I just skipped | 22:36 |
| mado | ok ... so Sailfish OS apps don't tell you yet ... ok ... and where can i find this information at an Android app? | 22:36 |
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| mado | Tegu, i entered the information ... because i was told it'd be better in case the Saiflish app asks for your age | 22:37 |
| mado | and how do i know this information is truthful, phlixi ? | 22:37 |
| mado | i mean ... the app-description can lie can't it? | 22:37 |
| Tegu | do they ask it? o_O did not even know. nyhow, I would just fill in garbage like always | 22:38 |
| mado | not meant rude but according to the contract that's a bad thing to do, Tegu | 22:39 |
| phlixi | i as well can not rember entering such info (i think the device does not need it). however, if this is only about what you entered on setup of the phone, then maybe there is a similar feature and i just never installed an app that needed that info | 22:39 |
| Tegu | meh | 22:39 |
| phlixi | regarding the android feature: the app needs to ask the system for permission to access e.g. gps. if it tries to use gps without asking before functionalit should (*) not be given. that why it canot lie to you before install. | 22:40 |
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| phlixi | (*) however, there might be bugs which apps could circumevent to gain acces to not asked resources, so you never really now until you look into the source of the app (and no "jon doe" does that) | 22:41 |
| mado | okaaay ... i guess it's safer then to use apps from trusted sources and open source apps ... but how do i know that an app is open source, something good and nothing harmful? | 22:42 |
| phlixi | when do you know whom to trust? | 22:43 |
| phlixi | :-) | 22:43 |
| mado | i guess that is another question - yes :) | 22:43 |
| phlixi | (no difference if code or people) | 22:43 |
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| phlixi | i think its one of the most if not the most important "pro" about jolla/sailfish, it is pretty open (compared to other systems) | 22:45 |
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| mado | yes ... i guess that's one reason why i got this phone :D ... but like i said ... the thing is ... i've never had such a modern mobile phone yet ... and i'd like to install and try various apps (within reason of course) and remove them when i don't like them or need them any more | 22:48 |
| salyavin | phlixi awesome! Thanks for the heads up I am in desperate need of that feature so that's great news | 22:48 |
| phlixi | i remembered the desperation when github pinged me about the update ;-) | 22:49 |
| mado | phlixi, does this mean you're one of the developers? | 22:49 |
| phlixi | technically i wrote exactly one line of gpodder ;-) but i would not count that as developer of gpodder :-) | 22:50 |
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| mado | well ... since i didn't know what this is all about i had to ask :) | 22:51 |
| mado | buut ... i see now you know how to write code :) ... | 22:51 |
| phlixi | gpodder is a podcast client, to subscribe, download and play, well, podcasts | 22:51 |
| mado | i for one still have to learn about that :) | 22:51 |
| salyavin | even 1 line of code assuming it is usable is helpful phlixi | 22:52 |
| mado | podcasts ... those are these small or large things like newspapers, right? ... best example i can think of right now ... like church sermons ... at least every Sunday a new one? ;) | 22:52 |
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| salyavin | gpodder 4 (unlike 2 and 3) had no play que mado which is troublesome particularly when driving and also biking when you want to go to the next one. | 22:53 |
| phlixi | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast :-) | 22:53 |
| mado | ha ha phlixi :D | 22:53 |
| mado | aaand salyavin ... i see | 22:54 |
| mado | it's odd that something like that would be missing | 22:54 |
| salyavin | well he did a complete rewrite but yea a year in missing that feature is strange. | 22:54 |
| phlixi | ...all those wikipedia articles are getting far to loooong... sometimes i remeber the "apple, its a fruit" articles :-) | 22:54 |
| mado | oi :p | 22:55 |
| salyavin | Less important would be gpodder.net support so you can sync between devices | 22:55 |
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| mado | well ... i've never had anything to do with podcasts so far ... | 22:55 |
| salyavin | OK. I've done them since the late 90s before that term existed | 22:56 |
| mado | what was it called back then? :) | 22:56 |
| salyavin | Often called things like internet radio shows | 22:56 |
| mado | : ) | 22:56 |
| salyavin | ipod helped popularize them and a lot more got made. | 22:57 |
| salyavin | and then they got called podcasts. | 22:57 |
| mado | :) | 22:58 |
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| mado | thanks for the explanation salyavin :) | 22:58 |
| phlixi | podcast-ception, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:En-Podcasting-article.ogg :D | 22:58 |
| mado | tell you what y'all ... i begin to like this place even more now ... you really get a lot of information here :) | 22:58 |
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| mado | this last link didn't work for me :) | 23:00 |
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| mado | but i take it, it is for salyavin :) | 23:00 |
| mado | brb | 23:01 |
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