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| japa-fi | "Some SIP support is in telepathy I think" <--- where can I find telepathy? | 05:54 |
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| salyavin | https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/ | 07:16 |
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| Warnaud | you'll need to reboot after installing the programs above :D :D | 07:21 |
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| salyavin | while you're at it you may want to vote on it japa-fi | 07:32 |
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| tbr | should prod jolla about it, the community has done what they could, the rest is probably deep in some proprietary jolla code with no sources available | 07:39 |
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| tbr | fuck fuckity fuck FUCK FUCK | 07:49 |
| Jope | well now | 07:49 |
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| Stskeeps | O_o | 07:52 |
| suosaaski | It doesn't hurt anybody. | 07:52 |
| salyavin | Phone spontaneously combust? | 07:53 |
| stephg | blurgh morning | 07:55 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:57 |
| suosaaski | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVK49nVlSx8#t=9m | 07:58 |
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| tbr | I'm most sorry, for the unrelated outburst and would like to apologize. I lost my contenance there for a second. | 08:11 |
| * chem|st pads tbr | 08:11 | |
| chem|st | we all have our 5 minutes! | 08:11 |
| * stephg offers chocolate, it's too early for b33r | 08:11 | |
| stephg | yup | 08:11 |
| pp_ | beer is ok after lunch | 08:12 |
| pp_ | and lunch can be a cookie at 6am! | 08:12 |
| chem|st | stephg: it is never to early for b33r *plopp* | 08:12 |
| tbr | I'm not sure right now if it there is an option of "too early for beer" | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | beer sounds good around now, then going back under a duvet.. | 08:12 |
| stephg | "it's 5 o'clock somewhere' right? | 08:12 |
| chem|st | void input critical kernel failure | 08:13 |
| tbr | infreakingdeed | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 08:18 |
| Venemo | hey | 08:18 |
| Venemo | what's up? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | not much. blogging. | 08:18 |
| Venemo | link? :) | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | soon(TM) | 08:20 |
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| Teme2 | a user #elsewhere received a message from care@ that stated in finnish "OS-päivityksen suhteen näyttää siltä, että virallinen päivitys 1.1.1.xx tulisi jakeluun ennen joulua. Kävisikö sinulle, että odotat sitä?" - which loosely translated is "officisal OS update 1.1.1.x will be shipped before Christmas, would you wait for that?" | 08:27 |
| Teme2 | soooooo | 08:27 |
| ilpianista | \o/ | 08:28 |
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| salyavin | Last I knew was this https://twitter.com/zzste/status/544425126947979264 | 08:29 |
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| salyavin | Finally this #sailfishos #update10 RC starts to look really good. Hurry up #Santa #nopromisesyet | 08:30 |
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| meklu | Teme2: more along the lines of "it *looks like* it'll ship before christmas" | 08:36 |
| meklu | ;) | 08:36 |
| meklu | nothing definite | 08:37 |
| Teme2 | it's implied that it will come since they offer it as as option :P | 08:38 |
| Teme2 | i mean if IIRC there was a post on TJC that claimed if it wasn't shipped last week, it would not be shipped before christmas | 08:38 |
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| SK_work | coderus: it is impossible: snapping is by design | 08:39 |
| SK_work | :( | 08:39 |
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| Teme2 | because releasing right before christmas is probably not such a good idea | 08:39 |
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| salyavin | Writing good software cannot be set to dates, if you make hard dates your users will beta or worse alpha test for you which too many companies do. | 08:40 |
| salyavin | Well Teme2 gotta give people something to do over their christmas break ;P | 08:40 |
| Teme2 | :D | 08:40 |
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| pp_ | if it's better than u9 (probably is), opt-in soonish and then for the masses (unless something major) just before xmas | 08:44 |
| pp_ | would be fine with me :-) | 08:44 |
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| yells | brick your dev just before xmas ;) | 08:44 |
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| chem|st | meklu: how about an opt-in today... so we can find you some bugs you never even thought about | 09:55 |
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| chem|st | UX suffered from all not-opt-in releases so far | 09:56 |
| temmi_hoo | how's the ux in uitukka compared to tähkälampi? | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: meklu is not a sailor :p | 09:57 |
| meklu | I am a no-one! :D | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | temmi_hoo: isn't it Tahkalampi? | 09:57 |
| chem|st | meklu: ah I thought you are the right hand of cybette, sorry | 09:57 |
| meklu | the translation was just somewhat inaccurate | 09:57 |
| chem|st | temmi_hoo: what versions are that? | 09:58 |
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| chem|st | if you mean release to opt-in, I thought they improved oom issues but what I see are no oom issues, it is just software not being stable | 09:59 |
| chem|st | most of them are jolla core applications failing when tapped on homescreen | 09:59 |
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| chem|st | leave some open, return to your phone after a while and tap eg gallery and it just disappears, memory was fine on all cases I checked so either the oom issue is related to being unable to drop cached pages or there is no memory issue behind that part | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | I don't have that | 10:02 |
| chem|st | and I am not talking having 15 apps running, I am talking having settings,phone,msg,gallery open | 10:02 |
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| Wnt | about the memory topic, have you tried zram on your devices? https://openrepos.net/content/eugenio/zramcfg-configure-zram | 10:05 |
| Wnt | I started using it when Jolla released the kernel sources for update 9 and the device feels much more responsive after enabling that | 10:05 |
| Nicd- | I read zram is going to be in the next update | 10:06 |
| Wnt | yes, it is | 10:06 |
| Wnt | but why wait for the update when you can have it already? :) | 10:06 |
| Tegu | yay, progress on repair! or actually replacement instead of repairing. maybe it won't take the two weeks that they said :) (so it will be ready before th eholidays) | 10:07 |
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| coderus | SK_work: aha i see dummy pages design :D | 10:30 |
| SK_work | coderus: yeah | 10:30 |
| coderus | SK_work: i ccan disable snapping at all, but then lockscreen and switcher acts ugly :D | 10:30 |
| SK_work | yeah | 10:30 |
| SK_work | I would say that we need a nice Qt component that doesn't exists yet | 10:30 |
| SK_work | a "variable height" paging component | 10:30 |
| SK_work | coderus: ever used a Windows phone ? | 10:31 |
| coderus | the only idea is replace Launcher GridView with Flickable + Grid + Repeater | 10:31 |
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| coderus | SK_work: my mother using Lumia 625 | 10:31 |
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| SK_work | coderus: in contacts, you have the favorite page | 10:31 |
| SK_work | that can be scrolled horizontally | 10:31 |
| SK_work | before going to next page | 10:31 |
| coderus | yes | 10:31 |
| SK_work | I would like this vertically | 10:32 |
| SK_work | for both the app grid on jolla, and multitask grid | 10:32 |
| meklu | whuh | 10:34 |
| meklu | that seems somewhat weird | 10:34 |
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| * meklu hasn't used WP, can't be quite sure what exactly you mean | 10:34 | |
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| meklu | I'd just like the ambiance shortcut to be replaced with something sensible like a favourite applications -thing | 10:35 |
| coderus | meklu: check patchmanager - partnerspacemanager | 10:39 |
| coderus | https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/partnerspacemanager | 10:40 |
| meklu | seems somewhat silly | 10:42 |
| meklu | since that only affects one side of the screen | 10:42 |
| meklu | the fact that there's functionality there without it is somewhat... questionable | 10:42 |
| SK_work | meklu: want partnerspace in both ambience trays ? | 10:42 |
| SK_work | meklu: open a bug on the repo | 10:43 |
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| chem|st | meklu: sfos2 has the ambiences in the swipe-down gesture, so the space frees up | 11:17 |
| meklu | yup | 11:17 |
| meklu | interested to see what they'll come up with for the sides | 11:18 |
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| Obi-Lan | yay jolla finally arrived | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | wo | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | o | 11:35 |
| urs | btw, what's the current approximate shipping time? | 11:36 |
| meklu | nice | 11:36 |
| urs | (I ordered last week... when can I expect it?) | 11:36 |
| Obi-Lan | I ordered mine at 1.12. and it arrived today | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | not bad compared to the 3-4 weeks of last year :) | 11:37 |
| Obi-Lan | kind of shock after android and wp | 11:37 |
| urs | ok, so there's still hope it might reach me before xmas | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | ah btw Happy Birthday, I think today was the day most Jolla phones came to life | 11:45 |
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| Obi-Lan | how is the aptoid store organized | 11:45 |
| chem|st | Obi-Lan: isn't it "you organize" | 11:46 |
| Obi-Lan | I mean when i search for software and it finds from "other stores" | 11:46 |
| chem|st | never used it as I do not use much else than f-droid | 11:46 |
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| pp_ | I got mine on the 8th last year | 11:47 |
| pp_ | Out of warranty ;_; | 11:47 |
| Obi-Lan | and then theres some substores or something like that | 11:48 |
| chem|st | pp_: ? dec 8th most devices were not even shipped... | 11:48 |
| pp_ | I did the first one preorder but didn't make it to the party :-) | 11:48 |
| pp_ | probably should have | 11:49 |
| chem|st | pp_: ah so top450 then | 11:49 |
| chem|st | pp_: EU has 2 years, the "limited" warranty is actually 6month and jolla was nice to have it 1 year but manufacturing faults are still valid until next year | 11:51 |
| Obi-Lan | or is there easy way to sneak .apk:s from google store without installing it | 11:51 |
| tbr | sure there are apk downloaders | 11:52 |
| tbr | ask the search engine of your least distrust | 11:52 |
| chem|st | Obi-Lan: there are online downloaders, but if you do not trust google why trust another 3rd party website to not inject downloads | 11:52 |
| pp_ | yep, it can be nasty after the official one (not that I expect any faults, got the battery holder fix and no problems with sim holder, so should be fine) | 11:53 |
| Obi-Lan | I mean download from offical store | 11:53 |
| Obi-Lan | without installing it to phone | 11:53 |
| chem|st | Obi-Lan: nope there is no "direct" download | 11:53 |
| Obi-Lan | ok | 11:53 |
| chem|st | that is why there are 3rd party websites... | 11:53 |
| Obi-Lan | bleeh wasn't smart enough to look from software vendors page | 11:55 |
| Obi-Lan | and there is direct link for apk | 11:55 |
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| Obi-Lan | have to say that need to install email client is something unlike :) | 12:03 |
| Obi-Lan | not in the dislike way | 12:05 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | update 10 is released as opt-in! yeah! | 13:31 |
| tbr | booyah? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | are you trying to give us a heartattack? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:31 |
| * Morpog_Jolla giggles madly 😁😉😊 | 13:31 | |
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| j-doge | that's yet another day the update is postponed | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | that qualifies for AT LEAST a week | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:32 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | muahaha ☺ | 13:32 |
| tbr | bad Morpog_Jolla, very bad Morpog_Jolla! go sit in the corner | 13:32 |
| Morpog_Jolla | at least everyone is awake again in here | 13:33 |
| * tbr meanwhile ponders if he should bother to join the community meeting, it sort of collides with me going somewhere... | 13:33 | |
| * Stskeeps is not attending either today | 13:34 | |
| tbr | I guess that also means no updates on any of the jolla APs from last meeting | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | #action Jolla to clarify their open source statements and put them together on jolla.com i can say i'm actively working on ; as well as #action jolla to look into webmink's remarks about http://jolla.com/sailfish-eula/ and https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | been taking a lot of my time recently and as also has been seen, we've clarified things in the indiegogo campaign etc to make it not seem like we're abusing the word open source | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | but that work isn't done yet | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having hourly panic attacks about going on holiday thursday afternoon | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:37 |
| tbr | mhm, good to hear that despite jolla being a small company someone finds the time to work on those non-profit-contributing items | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and not just me | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | always a pain in the ass to do things near xmas.. | 13:39 |
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| * tbr hates x-mas this year | 13:42 | |
| SK_work | tbr: why ? | 13:42 |
| * SK_work hates christmas | 13:42 | |
| SK_work | not just this year in particular | 13:42 |
| tbr | SK_work: not in the mood at all and all this pseudo-cheerful is even more annoying that way | 13:42 |
| SK_work | I see | 13:43 |
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| tbr | anYc: 30 years old, good vintage | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | anYc: i went 15 days of xmas without hearing that | 13:44 |
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| tbr | the second half of 2014 I could have lived without experiencing it, at all, completely. | 13:44 |
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| anYc | ^^ | 13:48 |
| mornfall | Morpog_Jolla: what? :P | 13:50 |
| Obi-Lan | hmm so nokia pulled off that here drive beta apk | 13:50 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | mornfall: it was a mean joke | 13:55 |
| mornfall | Morpog_Jolla: yeah, I could tell that from Stskeeps's heart attack... :P | 13:57 |
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| Mirv | Obi-Lan: probably because it went to google play store with the real version so why keep the beta download (other than the minority like us that would like .apk) | 14:06 |
| Obi-Lan | yeah | 14:17 |
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| chem|st | Mirv: we would like to have the sfos version updated! | 14:32 |
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| stephg_j | hi is thr meeting in 25 minutes? | 14:36 |
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| meklu | apparently that is the case, stephg_j | 14:37 |
| stephg_j | thx meklu | 14:37 |
| Mirv | chem|st: sfos native version, of course :) | 14:38 |
| Mirv | no-one wants those pesky .apk:s | 14:38 |
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| VDVsx | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/544867340706676736 | 14:56 |
| SK_work | better | 14:56 |
| SK_work | blog.jolla.com | 14:56 |
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| coderus | haha https://blog.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/welcome_image_etusivu.jpeg | 15:34 |
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| SK_work | coderus: why ? | 15:37 |
| SK_work | you can see iekku fishing IIRC | 15:37 |
| Tegu | does not load for me :( | 15:37 |
| coderus | I UNDERSTAND | 15:37 |
| coderus | oops caps :) | 15:37 |
| coderus | i understand | 15:37 |
| coderus | just this image is so strange :D | 15:38 |
| iekku | we have some kind of zoo inside jolla | 15:38 |
| Hartzi | :D | 15:39 |
| coderus | can we get fullres non-cropped image? :) | 15:39 |
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| iekku | coderus, :D | 15:41 |
| coderus | whynot? | 15:41 |
| Tegu | haha, now it loaded. awesome :D | 15:42 |
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| coderus | yeah, blog.jolla.com is a bit slow somewhy :( | 15:50 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: any news? | 15:52 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: not really .. we're busy with u10 :) | 15:53 |
| chem|st | ok | 15:53 |
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| petantik | u10! must be all hands on deck. so to speak. | 16:09 |
| Scelt | updateupdateupdate? | 16:09 |
| Scelt | MUSHROOM? | 16:09 |
| stephg | Soon(tm) | 16:10 |
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| Scelt | /hilight -mode=heart_attack *u10* | 16:12 |
| petantik | better than u2. | 16:13 |
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| M4rtinK | Release candidates for the release engineering throne! Blocker bugs for the blocker bug god! :) | 18:13 |
| Scelt | u10? | 18:13 |
| Struppi222 | question: how quick are the people at jolla care responding to questions? | 18:14 |
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| locusf | mine took a week, be patient :) | 18:14 |
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| Struppi222 | may i ask it here then? cause from 400 people here, this is probably not tech support channel. | 18:16 |
| Struppi222 | and i dont want to annoy people^^ | 18:16 |
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| Struppi222 | how do i enable auto rotation on my device? | 18:27 |
| Struppi222 | for example while typing stuff? | 18:27 |
| japa-fi | anyone tested voip client that doesn't output the voice via speaker for everyone around you to hear the discussion | 18:27 |
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| Tegu | Struppi222: on the settings -> display, but it does not work on everywhere :/ | 18:28 |
| Tegu | some apps force portrait keyboard iirc | 18:28 |
| Struppi222 | display, is the "dynamic" setting right? | 18:28 |
| Tegu | yea | 18:28 |
| Struppi222 | wow and i though the gyroscope of mine is dead, it doesnt rotate anywhere at all. | 18:29 |
| M4rtinK | actually it should use the accelerometer for this | 18:29 |
| Struppi222 | or accelerometer. it just doesnt rotate, neither in the gallery, nor while typing in text chat in the messaging app | 18:30 |
| M4rtinK | as it needs to know where is "down" | 18:30 |
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| Tegu | Struppi222: are you holding your finger on the screen while rotating? | 18:32 |
| Tegu | because if you are, it does not rotate | 18:33 |
| Struppi222 | im doing it whith finger on and off the screen and nothing happens | 18:33 |
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| Tegu | hm, weird | 18:35 |
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| Struppi222 | apparently somethings wrong. theres an app called "levels" in the jolla store which seems to measure accelerometer input in some way and display it as a spirit level thing | 18:38 |
| Struppi222 | and when i run it, it doesnt detect anything | 18:39 |
| Struppi222 | guess this ones going back | 18:39 |
| Struppi222 | or restart the phone... and not be an idiot.. | 18:41 |
| Struppi222 | im so dumb | 18:41 |
| Tegu | hm? | 18:42 |
| Tegu | did a restart fix it? | 18:42 |
| Struppi222 | yup... i will stand in a corner and be ashamed to death now | 18:42 |
| Tegu | er.. don't :D it's not your fault. | 18:43 |
| Tegu | I wonder what was wrong with the phone | 18:43 |
| Struppi222 | maybe because i just got it.. if the problem returns ill write to the support | 18:44 |
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| Yaniel | did you update to the latest sailfish version before trying? | 18:44 |
| Struppi222 | no, its downloading atm | 18:45 |
| Yaniel | that may be why then | 18:45 |
| Yaniel | the first version was really buggy | 18:45 |
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| Obi-Lan | hmph no option to format sd card inside jolla | 18:51 |
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| M4rtinK | no GUI option ;-) | 18:52 |
| coderus | Need testers for new patches for #SailfishOS (MazeLock included!) using Uitukka: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1452382#post1452382 | 18:52 |
| Obi-Lan | any protip how to get into console | 18:53 |
| Tegu | enable the developer mode | 18:53 |
| Obi-Lan | jolla doesnt like my bitlocker encrypted ntfs card ;) | 18:53 |
| Obi-Lan | and adapter is somewhere | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | just be really really sure you are working with the right device before you use the tool :) | 18:55 |
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| Obi-Lan | yess found microsd adapter | 19:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | isnt the whole point of bitlocker the fact that it only works with the thing that bitlocked it? | 19:58 |
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| Obi-Lan | if you use win 8.1 pro to bitlock removable media, other versions and win 7 can open it with password | 20:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah right | 20:03 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds a bit more useful | 20:03 |
| r0kk3rz | ive only used it with win7 for full disk encryption | 20:04 |
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| Obi-Lan | can android app access native camera folder | 20:13 |
| Obi-Lan | or do I need to do some funky link between folders | 20:14 |
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| the_mgt | Obi-Lan: iirc, android only sees a tiny fraction of your device, kind of a jail | 20:19 |
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| Obi-Lan | yes it seems to go android_storage | 20:20 |
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| Obi-Lan | was thinking if I symlink pictures/camera to android_storage/DCIM so that bittorrent sync can backup that | 20:21 |
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| Obi-Lan | I can symlink /home/nemo/Picuters/Camera to /home/nemo/android_storage/DCIM | 20:50 |
| Obi-Lan | and btsync in android can read it | 20:50 |
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| Obi-Lan | and how nice, that symbolic link stays over reboot | 21:04 |
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| coderus | MazeLock patch available on openrepos now: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 22:43 |
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| Nightmare__ | coderus: do you know any negative sideeffects with this patch? | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: nice! :) | 22:58 |
| coderus | Nightmare__: i am not | 22:59 |
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| coderus | i'm making only good patches :) | 23:02 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: what about some lock screen notifications/calendar events/widgets ? :) | 23:04 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: what are you talking about? :) | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: something like this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3444/show-calendar-event-title-directly-in-the-lock-screen/?answer=70210#post-id-70210 | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | but without the need for hacks like changing the ambiance image :) | 23:06 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: just create qml component showing info you need and place it on lockscreen | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: well yeah, it is not that hard | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: BTW, any idea what happens if the lockscreen QML gets broken ? :) | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | a syntax error or something :) | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | you should still be able to fix it with ssh over USB, but asking just in case :) | 23:10 |
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| coderus | M4rtinK: homescreen just won't be loaded. | 23:18 |
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| coderus | journalctl -a /usr/bin/lipstick to get output and error info | 23:18 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: thanks! :) | 23:31 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: will see if I can get to it :) | 23:31 |
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