| M4rtinK | yeah, displayport would be also nice | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK | but AFAIK most LCD TVs still have only display ports | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | err, hdmi | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | I do have one LCD monitor with display port though | 00:01 |
| tiwake | yeah well screw HDMI... it has way too much DRM | 00:01 |
| tiwake | I have three IPS screens with displayport :P | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | it might be actually quite easy to just take some of those dongles | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | and port sailfish os on it with libhybris | 00:02 |
| tiwake | here is an open source kickstarter thing for something like that | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | the Mozilla one ? | 00:02 |
| tiwake | or was anyway | 00:02 |
| tiwake | no... uh | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | I have pledged on that | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | but thats is more like wireless display I think | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | still, lets say you have that dongle | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | how would you actually use it ? :) | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | I guess it could be used to host xbmc or something | 00:04 |
| tiwake | here it is | 00:04 |
| tiwake | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1859884318/oscar-the-open-screen-adapter | 00:04 |
| tiwake | OSCAR | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | as I am not sure how usable would the current Sailfish OS GUI be for use on a TV/big monitor | 00:05 |
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| tiwake | I want an array of like 6 or 8 of those | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I think that one is actually more or less the screen for the Jolla tablet | 00:06 |
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| M4rtinK | but on the other hand - this could make an ideal LCD tablet! :) | 00:06 |
| tiwake | I love the pixel density | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | just slap an old Wacom behind it and BAM, LCD tablet! :) | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | no case/battery/pcb/component shielding to get in the way | 00:09 |
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| M4rtinK | & less chance of electrocution inherent to taking apart LCD monitors to get the screen for a DIY tablet :) | 00:09 |
| tiwake | hmm yeah | 00:10 |
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| tiwake | aww, about 20min ago somebody downvoted my M.2 interface idea | 00:11 |
| tiwake | lol | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | so thanks for the link :) | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | might come useful in the future :) | 00:11 |
| tiwake | then a couple minutes later somebody else bumped it up | 00:11 |
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| M4rtinK | I find the downvotes to be quite random | 00:12 |
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| M4rtinK | might be the same users - reverting the decision after finding how much karma downvotes consume :) | 00:13 |
| tiwake | no, because there are two plot points on the graph still | 00:13 |
| tiwake | unless it keeps that too | 00:14 |
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| tiwake | yeah, I don't have any HDMI screens, and HDMI I don't think will be around for too much longer -- it does not have enough bandwidth for more than a 1920x1080 screen | 00:19 |
| tiwake | whereas displayport can do... heh... a lot more | 00:19 |
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| tiwake | although, movies probably wont be much higher resolution than 1080p for quite some time | 00:22 |
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| tiwake | ohhhh | 00:25 |
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| tiwake | with a wacom or N-trig... and all the drawing is done on a layer above any given screen... | 00:26 |
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| tiwake | Stskeeps: is the HDMI stick thing an accessory idea thing an accessory jolla would make? | 00:31 |
| tiwake | erm | 00:31 |
| tiwake | s/accessory// | 00:31 |
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| M4rtinK | good night everyone! :) | 00:36 |
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| tiwake | ...its not even quitting time | 00:40 |
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| lpotter | hmmm... http://www.osnews.com/story/28126/Is_it_time_for_Nokia_and_Jolla_to_reunite_ | 01:17 |
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| ottulo | thinking about it... Nokia is making Android devices and apps, Sailfish is to a great degree capable of running on the same hardware | 01:28 |
| ottulo | so it's not that far-fetched in my opinion that there'd be a Nokia device running SailfishOS before long | 01:28 |
| ottulo | at least a community port :D | 01:29 |
| tiwake | I could see them using the OS... probably nothing more | 01:31 |
| ottulo | exactly, hardware collaboration seems unlikely | 01:31 |
| tiwake | or a company merger | 01:32 |
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| lpotter | 'Passion' or 'Respect' was never one of the Nokia company values... | 01:48 |
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| tiwake | a lot of the older companies forget why and how they started | 01:49 |
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| lpotter | ya... well wood pulp is a long way away from mobile phones and networking equipment... | 01:53 |
| tiwake | wood pulp? | 01:54 |
| lpotter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia#1865_to_1967 | 01:55 |
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| tiwake | oh, rubber | 01:56 |
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| lpotter | no. wood pulp | 01:57 |
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| tiwake | I was looking for wood pulp and didnt see any skimming around all I saw was rubber stuff... went back to the start and actually read and "oh, there it is" | 01:59 |
| tiwake | :P | 01:59 |
| lpotter | :) it's easy to miss | 02:00 |
| tiwake | companies that old typically dont have values like that anyway | 02:03 |
| lpotter | oh.. I guess nokia did add 'Respect' to their company values | 02:07 |
| tiwake | also, I'm cooking rice and running two CNC lathes at the moment | 02:07 |
| tiwake | I would be cooking some chicken too, but the chicken here in the shop refrigerator is smelly and old | 02:09 |
| tiwake | we need a freezer of some sort | 02:09 |
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| tiwake | cut the mold off the cheese | 02:12 |
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| tiwake | here at my company we have a TV, sound system, and pretty nice internet... can watch anything the internet has to provide while working :3 | 02:15 |
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| lpotter | me too. but I work from home. so the fridge is right there too | 02:22 |
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| tiwake | heh | 02:25 |
| tiwake | oh gosh, cheese, rice, and jalapeños | 02:25 |
| tiwake | so good | 02:25 |
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| tiwake | lpotter: what do you do for work? | 02:37 |
| lpotter | code monkey | 02:38 |
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| tiwake | lpotter: what programs? what languages? what company? | 02:59 |
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| lpotter | lots of different programs. mostly Qt and qml. Whomever is paying me at the moment :) | 04:55 |
| tiwake | lpotter: so... is that C or C++ or python or caml or erlang or lisp or objectiveC or C#...? | 04:58 |
| lpotter | Qt is c++ of coarse | 04:59 |
| tiwake | heh, I guess caml and erlang are not too popular | 04:59 |
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| tiwake | lpotter: oh ok, C++ :P | 05:02 |
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| Teemu | there was a fleeting short thought that elli embedded devices application language would be erlang | 05:51 |
| Teemu | then we woke up and saw that they're going to be c++/c just like the runtime part is | 05:52 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:22 |
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| lainwir3d | 24hours left | 08:26 |
| lainwir3d | might be doable | 08:26 |
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| Pawky | is there anyway to set the SMS signal volume different? | 09:06 |
| Pawky | or "notifier" volume. | 09:06 |
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| tbr | have you checked in settings? | 09:16 |
| Pawky | tbr: i think so... you only have "default ringtone" | 09:17 |
| tbr | ok | 09:18 |
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| tbr | might only be possible with digging into pulse-audio then | 09:19 |
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| Pawky | alsamixer? | 09:19 |
| tbr | the other way would be to take a ringtone file and just remaster it at a lower volume | 09:19 |
| Pawky | tbr: yeah, but one would not always like to have it in a low volume.. | 09:20 |
| Pawky | but... yeah | 09:20 |
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| Azog | how can i see, which type of mobile connection the jolla phone uses? selecting "prefer 4G" i get ~20 MB/s but 3G is showing; with "prefer 3G" i only get ~7 MB/s | 09:31 |
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| tbr | Azog: that's interesting | 09:36 |
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| mado | Good morning everyone :) | 09:37 |
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| mado | Good morning / welcome back bjorn ? ... and TheBootroo|work ;) | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | mado: Ohai! | 09:39 |
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| Azog | my problem seems to be https://together.jolla.com/question/7075/cellular-data-service-info-gprsedgeumtshsdpahsupa/ | 09:41 |
| mado | hello Azog :) | 09:41 |
| mado | so i guess this means we can ask questions here too? | 09:42 |
| mado | since Azog referred to something? | 09:43 |
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| tbr | mado: sure | 09:43 |
| Azog | as always in irc: don't ask to ask, ask | 09:43 |
| mado | Azog, i've heard about that rule before but believe it or not ... every channel is different :D | 09:44 |
| tbr | Azog: based on that, some information might be gleaned from statefs, but it could be interesting to patch up ofono, the question is how does the RIL layer provide info. | 09:44 |
| mado | there was this one channel i've been in some time ago and they said you'd have to raise your hand or something first and then you could ask a question | 09:44 |
| tbr | The very nice thing: the ofono ril connector is open source | 09:44 |
| mado | i for one got the phone a few minutes ago ... it looks like everything's here ... USB cable, battery, etc ... | 09:45 |
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| mado | it's charging right now and I decided to give it a try and switch it on ... now here's my first problem (maybe you'll laugh about it) ... the text, etc ... what you see on the screen ... it's all rotated | 09:46 |
| mado | how can one change that? | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | rotate the device? | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | reboot if the that doesn't work? | 09:47 |
| mado | yes ggabriel but even then ... the text is not exactly displayed correctly ... | 09:47 |
| mado | it's like half or more than a half of the screen is just white ... | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | define correctly | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | is your screen rotated or have you got a problem with the font itself? a picture may be worth a 1000 words here | 09:48 |
| phaeron | there have been reports of such issues. Best is to factory reset. | 09:48 |
| mado | phaeron, i haven't even used the phone yet ... i switched it on for the first time :D | 09:48 |
| mado | and yes, my screen is rotated ggabriel | 09:49 |
| mado | but part of the screen isn't even there ... there's just white | 09:49 |
| Azog | maybe just reboot | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | try rebooting or follow phaeron's advice, especially since you have nothing to lose at this stage | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | i'd contact care otherwise to be honest | 09:51 |
| mado | ggabriel, how can i reset the phone when i can't even see all of the text there :) | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | mado: press the power button for several seconds until it's off | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | unplug the power cable | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | switch on the phone | 09:51 |
| Azog | tbr: switching 4G/3G does not change Cellular.DataTechnology, it is always umts; i think i just monitor the tjc-thread | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | battery should come with enough charge for you to set it up, once you're happy with it, plug it back in | 09:51 |
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| mado | one moment ... will try it again ... this time like you said ... by having the phone unplugged first | 09:56 |
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| tiwake | I wish I could get a jolla phone here in USA | 09:58 |
| tiwake | I use GSM and a sim card already | 09:58 |
| mado | alright ... same issue ggabriel -> http://picpaste.com/ee12eecf477503f2dcc64e616b51c466.bmp | 09:58 |
| SK_work | tiwake: the experience will be bad, as you will get at best 2G | 09:58 |
| mado | i tried to draw a little picture of how it looks | 09:59 |
| mado | as i don't have a working camera available at the moment | 09:59 |
| tiwake | SK_work: I dont have a data plan | 09:59 |
| tiwake | nor do I want one | 09:59 |
| tiwake | I just want a GSM based cellphone with wifi and a nice operating system :3 | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | mado: try phaeron's advice then, else i'd contact care | 10:00 |
| phaeron | mado: you can factory reset from the recovery console | 10:00 |
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| mado | well phaeron ... i don't know how to go over stuff like that yet | 10:01 |
| mado | and yes ... i will contact customer care :) | 10:01 |
| mado | i take it your phones didn't have this issue when launching it for the first time? | 10:02 |
| phaeron | mado: this issue is quite random | 10:02 |
| tiwake | SK_work: where I live I dont even get cellphone service, from any carrier | 10:03 |
| stephg | ta | 10:06 |
| stephg | oops | 10:07 |
| mado | i see phaeron :) | 10:07 |
| tiwake | anyway, I'm going to bed | 10:10 |
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| mado | alright then everyone ... i need to head out for a while ... thanks for having tried to help me :) | 10:26 |
| mado | God bless you | 10:26 |
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| mornfall | so is $90k worth of tablets going to sell in the remaining 22 hours? | 10:31 |
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| mornfall | and more importantly, how is update 10 doing? | 10:32 |
| Nicd- | u10 delayed again, thanks to mornfall ;) | 10:33 |
| tadzik | :D | 10:33 |
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| zutto | speaking of the tablet | 10:35 |
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| zutto | is the referral thing active anymore? i'm ordering one if someone wants one more to their list | 10:36 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: well it's already 3 or so months late, isn't it? | 10:36 |
| ilpianista | zutto: yes it's | 10:36 |
| ilpianista | zutto: mine :-) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/x/9179278 | 10:36 |
| zutto | used it | 10:37 |
| ilpianista | thanks! | 10:37 |
| zutto | hmh | 10:38 |
| zutto | wait wait wait | 10:38 |
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| zutto | "Receive a special discount from the expected retail price of $249, as well as being among the first to receive a Jolla Tablet." does this mean that i still have to pay something when they actually release the tablet ;O | 10:38 |
| ilpianista | zutto: from what I understood the tablet should be sold at 249$ | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | yes, you have to pay the tax and shipping | 10:39 |
| Nicd- | they are not included in the indiegogo price | 10:39 |
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| zutto | i see | 10:40 |
| Tegu | so, you have no idea how much you'll end up paying? just receive "a special discount" which can be anything | 10:41 |
| zutto | so in the end, if it ships from HK it'd end up costing 279.38 (shipping included) | 10:41 |
| zutto | Tegu: thats my problem here atm | 10:41 |
| meklu | those are some very light taxes | 10:41 |
| zutto | i remember there being such thing with the phone | 10:41 |
| zutto | meklu: 22% | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: umm, tax is usually fixed in every country | 10:41 |
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| mornfall | meklu: very light as in 20+% | 10:41 |
| meklu | 24% here ;) | 10:41 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: so you can kind of anticipate how much it will cost beforehand | 10:41 |
| Tegu | Nicd-: but that wording doesn't say anything about taxes | 10:41 |
| mornfall | meklu: that's between a fifth and a fourth of the price you know :-) | 10:41 |
| ilpianista | 22% here :-( | 10:41 |
| zutto | in finland customs charge 22% for electronics | 10:41 |
| zutto | :| | 10:42 |
| meklu | and I somehow was calculating things off the $249 figure, oops :D | 10:42 |
| meklu | well | 10:42 |
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| meklu | that figure went up | 10:42 |
| ilpianista | it's almost extra 37euro for me | 10:42 |
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| meklu | twice | 10:42 |
| zutto | and the customs include the shipping price in that tax too :| | 10:42 |
| meklu | it's 24% nowadays | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: it says below "VAT or applicable taxes may apply (see FAQ)" | 10:42 |
| * meklu is in Finland | 10:42 | |
| * ilpianista Italy | 10:42 | |
| zutto | oh wait, its 24% yeah | 10:42 |
| meklu | back in 2010 it was still 22% iirc | 10:43 |
| zutto | ~284$ shipped here with the tax :| | 10:43 |
| zutto | unless i need to pay something even more to jolla after they launch the tablet | 10:43 |
| meklu | $259.16 here, was among the first few to order D: | 10:44 |
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| zutto | hmh | 10:44 |
| Nicd- | zutto: as I understand it only tax and shipping | 10:44 |
| mornfall | btw., why is jolla still spending time with Qt 5.2 when 5.3 is supposed to fix some of the performance issues of 5.2 and it's been out even before update 8 in summer? | 10:44 |
| lainwir3d | same here, $259 | 10:44 |
| ilpianista | stupid me...I waited an hour or so...and I miss the 189$ perk | 10:44 |
| lainwir3d | mornfall: I guess they have some internal patch / workaround to take into account | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: our qtdeclarative is actually qt5.3 | 10:45 |
| zutto | Nicd-: any confirmation on that? | 10:45 |
| ilpianista | zutto: however, from what I understood you don't need to pay anything extra (except VAT and shipping) for the tablet | 10:45 |
| lainwir3d | and they said Qt 5.2 -> 5.3 transition will be a lot easier | 10:45 |
| ilpianista | (otherwise I see no advantages for indiegogo buyers) | 10:45 |
| Nicd- | zutto: see the FAQ | 10:45 |
| lainwir3d | though Qt5.4 is around the corner | 10:45 |
| zutto | reading atm | 10:45 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: so it didn't really help then? (the “performance enhancements” from release announcements are known to be pretty slippery :) | 10:46 |
| zutto | but it doesnt clarify that the discount is the final price for the tablet (without counting in the taxes and shipping) :| | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: our problem is not the performance, the problem is memory :P | 10:46 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: well, better memory use counts as a performance improvement, especially now that they officially support major mobile platforms | 10:48 |
| meklu | all the js doesn't really help you in that respect I reckon | 10:48 |
| meklu | ehh | 10:48 |
| meklu | barely | 10:48 |
| meklu | unless it's an objective improvement rather than a cpu vs. ram tradeoff | 10:49 |
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| mornfall | meklu: well, yeah, writing user interfaces in javascript is convenient, but the overhead is obviously huge :-) | 10:52 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: did you try compiling the QML files of the main UI components btw? | 10:54 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: (I'm not sure it'd help with memory use, but it could) | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | mornfall: the qml compiler is a commercial offering | 10:54 |
| meklu | damn you, Digia :< | 10:56 |
| mornfall | well, qt *is* a core component of your OS... | 10:56 |
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| mornfall | hm, and 5.4 is planned for today, incidentally | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | :-o Nice | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | time to build QtBluetooth 5.4 for sailfishos | 10:58 |
| Tegu | inb4 a transition to qt 5.4 will be done before the next update | 10:58 |
| mornfall | lainwir3d: you're after bluetooth LE? | 10:58 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 10:59 |
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| lainwir3d | I already have a build from the master of ~3 weeks ago | 10:59 |
| lainwir3d | I already use it for "ZIK 2.0 Manager" in harbour | 10:59 |
| mornfall | hmm, and qtwebkit is deprecated now | 11:00 |
| Tegu | mornfall: is there a replacement? | 11:00 |
| mornfall | Tegu: yeah, webengine (based off chromium) | 11:00 |
| Tegu | so, still webkit. what's the difference? | 11:00 |
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| mornfall | Tegu: O_o | 11:01 |
| mornfall | Tegu: by that argument chromium == konqueror :P | 11:01 |
| mornfall | (and firefox == netscape) | 11:01 |
| mornfall | no, there's obviously no difference :-) | 11:01 |
| Tegu | :D | 11:02 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: maybe you should just skip stable Qt 5.2 (update10) and release 5.4 straight away :D | 11:03 |
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| mornfall | Scelt: that might turn out to be even more trouble | 11:04 |
| Scelt | mornfall: see ":D" | 11:04 |
| Scelt | 3 months struggling Qt 5.2 | 11:04 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: btw. -- is the problem that you want the UI stack on sailfish to remain buildable with an OSS toolchain or that you don't have a deal with digia? | 11:04 |
| meklu | it's blink, not webkit | 11:05 |
| meklu | (the chromium stuff) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: basically ish like that; if you add a commercial dependency at critical level it's a problem | 11:05 |
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| meklu | webkit started looking intriguing when chrom{e,ium} dropped out | 11:05 |
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| meklu | those 8 million lines got culled for instance | 11:06 |
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| mornfall | meklu: I think Tegu was referring to the fact it's a fork of the same thing | 11:06 |
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| Tegu | I think I don't know what I was referring to :D | 11:07 |
| Tegu | eh, so it's actually the whole chromium and not just the blink engine? | 11:07 |
| mornfall | Tegu: no it's not the whole chromium, that'd make qt build take 16 or so hours :P | 11:07 |
| mornfall | maybe closer to 20 by now | 11:08 |
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| Tegu | (actually I had thought that webkit was renamed to blink but looks like it's not the case) | 11:08 |
| mornfall | Tegu: no, that's not the case | 11:08 |
| mornfall | it's a fork of a fork of a fork :-) | 11:08 |
| mornfall | (and chromium is basically an operating system, bit like the lispmachine OS but for javascript :P) | 11:09 |
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| Tegu | :D | 11:09 |
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| mornfall | tablet of the beast, $1,666,170 | 11:17 |
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| mornfall | hm, also it seems that just booting aliendalvik (but not doing anything) costs in the vicinity of 300M of RAM | 11:21 |
| mornfall | it'll be swapped out eventually, but it's still more than a third of what's available to the system | 11:22 |
| SK_work | yes | 11:24 |
| SK_work | I'm not running dalvik since ages | 11:24 |
| SK_work | because of ram | 11:24 |
| mornfall | the problem is there's no switch to make it run only when actually used | 11:25 |
| mornfall | so I usually forget to stop it | 11:25 |
| Tegu | 1GB is way too little :( | 11:25 |
| mornfall | also, the on-demand start is broken | 11:25 |
| mornfall | (something runs out of time, maybe, so the first app comes up entirely black) | 11:25 |
| Nicd- | works for me | 11:25 |
| mornfall | might depend on what app you run first :-) | 11:26 |
| SK_work | Tegu: 1 gig should have been enough | 11:26 |
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| mornfall | SK_work: well, it'd be closer to enough if 1G wouldn't actually mean 800M :-) | 11:27 |
| SK_work | :D | 11:27 |
| SK_work | yeah | 11:27 |
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| mornfall | another thing that might help is making the swap 2G instead of 500M | 11:28 |
| mornfall | because running out of the combined ram+swap of 1.2G is entirely too easy | 11:29 |
| mornfall | 1.3 | 11:29 |
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| mornfall | sadly, swapping to a file on btrfs is probably going to be a performance nightmare | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | s/on btrfs // | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | :) | 11:30 |
| mornfall | and changing the GPT layout will probably hurt | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | well, swapping in general is a perf nightmare | 11:31 |
| stephg | what little experimentation I did with a second swapfile on sdcard the performance was subjectively poorer | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | poor performance is sometimes better than crashing | 11:32 |
| mornfall | stephg: forget an sd card | 11:32 |
| mornfall | stephg: sdcard performance is ... abysmal | 11:32 |
| RavenholmDX | For sure | 11:32 |
| mornfall | it'll also lose data and if you swap to it, corrupt your RAM content | 11:32 |
| RavenholmDX | I get like, 6MB r/w | 11:32 |
| RavenholmDX | with a UHS-1 card | 11:33 |
| mornfall | yeah, which is almost 100x slower than a decent SSD :-) | 11:33 |
| stephg | did anyone benchmark the emmc btw | 11:33 |
| RavenholmDX | haha, yeah mornfall | 11:33 |
| stephg | I seem to remember someone did back in the day | 11:33 |
| RavenholmDX | I've been super impressed with the idle battery life on Jolla | 11:33 |
| RavenholmDX | it's like .5% an hour | 11:33 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: if you are in good signal then yes, it seems to do pretty well | 11:34 |
| RavenholmDX | Yeah, I'm in a city | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | for my use case, this memory issue is all android's fault | 11:34 |
| meklu | an SSD has negative speeds? D: | 11:36 |
| Tegu | i will suck your data into a black hole! | 11:36 |
| Tegu | it* | 11:36 |
| meklu | "which is almost 100x slower than a decent SSD" | 11:36 |
| mornfall | hmm, I have to say that desktop firefox seems to be pretty memory-efficient | 11:36 |
| mornfall | meklu: well, 550MB/s vs. 6MB/s | 11:37 |
| meklu | a hundedth of the speed maybe | 11:37 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: lately, and in comparison to chrom(e|ium) or opera, yeah | 11:37 |
| meklu | +r | 11:37 |
| mornfall | SSD-to-SSD copy is a thing to behold | 11:37 |
| meklu | but 100 times less is a different matter | 11:37 |
| meklu | -55,000 + 550 | 11:38 |
| mornfall | meklu: what are you talking about? | 11:38 |
| meklu | D: | 11:38 |
| mornfall | that doesn't make any sense | 11:38 |
| meklu | precisely | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | meklu: you are misunderstanding | 11:38 |
| meklu | I am purposefully misunderstanding | 11:39 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: he's just manufacturing a misunderstanding, actually | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | 6 is 100 times slower (smaller) than something | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | so that something is 600 | 11:39 |
| j-doge | not trying to be a smart-ass, but I'd sure love to see a proof like that on some math paper :D | 11:39 |
| mornfall | trying to claim that if A is 100x faster than B, it's not the case that B is 100x slower than A | 11:39 |
| mornfall | j-doge: proof like what? | 11:40 |
| meklu | x100 != /100 | 11:40 |
| j-doge | mornfall: proof like Nicd- gave just above my line | 11:40 |
| mornfall | this is entirely about what “slower” means | 11:40 |
| Teemu | this is war on language semantics, not really arithmetics | 11:41 |
| meklu | what's 1x slower than an SSD? | 11:41 |
| meklu | a device with 0 write speed | 11:41 |
| Teemu | the arithmetics issue is clearly resolvable as soon as it is decided what the language constructs actually mean | 11:41 |
| mornfall | well, it's meklu who insists on useless semantics for “slower” :-) | 11:42 |
| meklu | :) | 11:42 |
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| mornfall | we now have to all say “1/100th as fast” | 11:42 |
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| mornfall | (because “slow” is clearly additive while “fast” is multiplicative) | 11:43 |
| mornfall | meh | 11:44 |
| mornfall | anyway | 11:44 |
| mornfall | noscript probably really helps with browser memory use | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: good point actually | 11:44 |
| mornfall | my current desktop uses 630M for firefox + 360M for everything else | 11:45 |
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| mornfall | (plus the videoram) | 11:45 |
| zutto | mornfall: disabling browser plugins helps a ton too if you still have those enabled | 11:45 |
| zutto | ie, disabling java and flash | 11:45 |
| mornfall | I don't even have those installed... | 11:45 |
| zutto | :P | 11:46 |
| mornfall | especially flash is an invitation for malware | 11:46 |
| mornfall | no point in running noscript if you install flash | 11:46 |
| zutto | firefox with 20 tabs used 2 gigs of ram, with java plugin completly removed it dropped to ~600 | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: noscript blocks flash too | 11:47 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: do you know if lipstick does texture compression on framebuffers? | 11:47 |
| zutto | ggabriel: browser still loads the module in tho | 11:48 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: yeah, I meant enabling flash and only blocking javascript would defeat the point, security-wise | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: agree; zutto: yeah, was commenting more on the security side | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | sadly, you still need flash nowadays | 11:49 |
| mornfall | do you? | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | sometimes even silverlight (!) | 11:49 |
| mornfall | uh-oh | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | yeah, I do | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | i visit some .jp sites sometimes | 11:49 |
| zutto | i gotta say, i still prefer flash to html5 videos :/ | 11:49 |
| zutto | but thats mainly due to my computer apparently cant handle html5 4k videos properly | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | some websites prefer flash for videos too (e.g., youtube) | 11:49 |
| zutto | youtube prefers html5 nowdays | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | not for me | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | it loves flash | 11:50 |
| zutto | you cant even enable flash for youtube if you use chrome | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | i use ff :) | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | this is a bit off topic tho | 11:50 |
| zutto | a tiny bit :P | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | i want my tablet | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | there we are, back to topic ;) | 11:51 |
| zutto | i'm waiting for the support to reply before i order mine :P | 11:51 |
| zutto | if they even reply before the igg ends | 11:51 |
| meklu | as horrid as flash is, it seems like this html5 stuff isn't really a too viable solution :P | 11:52 |
| meklu | you get to have ever-larger payloads, yay? | 11:52 |
| mornfall | well, I wouldn't mind being able to install noscript on jolla | 11:52 |
| zutto | its great idea for sites like youtube | 11:52 |
| mornfall | er even run a natively built mobile firefox | 11:52 |
| mornfall | or* | 11:52 |
| zutto | is the default browser opensource? | 11:53 |
| mornfall | zutto: yes, it's on github | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | yes | 11:53 |
| zutto | ah | 11:53 |
| zutto | its using qwebkit is it? | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | no, gecko | 11:53 |
| zutto | ah | 11:53 |
| zutto | i dont know how that works, but with webkit you can just.. disable the calls to run js | 11:53 |
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| mornfall | zutto: that's not what you want of course | 11:54 |
| mornfall | zutto: you want a management system for permissions to run | 11:54 |
| mornfall | i.e. noscript | 11:54 |
| zutto | i see | 11:54 |
| zutto | then you probably want to get firefox running :P | 11:54 |
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| Wnt | where are the batteries!? | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | lol | 12:00 |
| zutto | would be nice to get bigger battery indeed ;O | 12:01 |
| zutto | i got used to charging phone once a week with 4200mAh battery | 12:02 |
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| ottulo | Wnt: they are there | 12:08 |
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| VDVsx_ | batteries here: http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-jolla.html | 12:09 |
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| ottulo | VDVsx: you spoiled the fun of finding them :/ | 12:09 |
| zutto | oh what | 12:09 |
| zutto | i gotta order one right now | 12:10 |
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| VDVsx | :D | 12:11 |
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| zutto | i dont need the extra battery yet but i still want it | 12:12 |
| zutto | ! | 12:12 |
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| VDVsx | let's see how long it takes until sold out :D | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | cool, ordered mine | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | you always need an extra battery | 12:14 |
| RavenholmDX | 25 isn't bad for a battery | 12:16 |
| RavenholmDX | might order one after Christas | 12:17 |
| RavenholmDX | Christmas* | 12:17 |
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| RavenholmDX | Obviously too broke right now :P | 12:17 |
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| Ezko | um | 12:18 |
| Ezko | why isn't finland in the list of countries to be shipped to | 12:18 |
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| Ezko | i mean i don't have my glasses on but i'm pretty sure that it's not there | 12:18 |
| meklu | where what? | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | Ezko: you have to change European Union to Finland on the bottom of the site | 12:19 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | cant order two ? | 12:19 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | seriously ? | 12:19 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | for 15€ shipping... | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | M4rtinK_jolla_: interesting | 12:20 |
| meklu | free shipping here "for a limited time only" | 12:20 |
| Ezko | Nicd-: oh right | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | i had free shipping too | 12:20 |
| meklu | (here being .fi) | 12:20 |
| * ggabriel uk | 12:20 | |
| RavenholmDX | hmm, I should order if it's free shipping for a limited time | 12:21 |
| Ezko | Nicd-: thank you | 12:21 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | and now I see 0€ shipping when selecting just one to fix the order | 12:22 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | weird | 12:22 |
| Nicd- | I wonder if they'll be in the stores in Finland too | 12:22 |
| Ezko | order one twice | 12:22 |
| Ezko | i ordered one in case the first one dies or whatever | 12:23 |
| kimmoli | FYI: I promise to make through tear-down for a tablet, if i get one from referral race >> http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/3341704 << few missing... | 12:24 |
| flux | the split screen goal seems to be surprisingly close :-o | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | 3G! :) | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | actually they can let the campaign open after the official end | 12:29 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK_jolla_: LTE! USBc! | 12:29 |
| Teemu | otg? | 12:29 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: I am missing one for a lastucase | 12:30 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | of course no tablet enhancements are so important as proper Wacom/Ntrig/active-pen support! :-) | 12:31 |
| chem|st | Teemu: USBc 3.1 OTG? | 12:31 |
| Wnt | Nicd-: I don't think they will hit other stores any time soon :( "we will have a limited batch of spare batteries coming on sale to the Jolla Online Shop very soon. We will announce the availability first to you, TJC Community members, before promoting them elsewhere. It's not a big batch, so you will have to react quickly if you want one." https://together.jolla.com/question/65826/compatible-spare-battery/?answer=68970#post-id-68970 | 12:31 |
| Teemu | dunno about defgh1.2.3 of it but otg in general | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | damn :/ | 12:31 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK_jolla_: well I can live without it but the new USB port would be nice, with HDMI||OTG duplicity | 12:32 |
| Wnt | maybe a better quote from that answer would have been "We unfortunately do not have further information on later availability at this stage, but we will keep you posted. | 12:33 |
| chem|st | Aard: does mounting btrfs with "compress" choose algorithm from kernel or does is just don't do anything? do I need to specify 'compress=lzo' instead? | 12:34 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | chem|st: I would like to be able to both have video out & connect peripherals | 12:34 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK_jolla_: and that is where you need something else than micro usb iirc | 12:35 |
| chem|st | microusb can have 5 connectors r?ight | 12:35 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | for uses like a portable DDR/Stepmania machine, for presentations, ad hoc workstation, etc. | 12:36 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK_jolla_: that is not waht I mean... you need another plug type! | 12:37 |
| * xkr47 holds thumbs for $1.75M | 12:37 | |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/09/apps_need_a_right_to_remain_silent/ | 12:41 |
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| Teemu | chem|st: external display connector would indeed be A Very Nice Thing | 12:45 |
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| flux | talking about tablet? I understand the hardware is more or less finished, and rerouting for display connector would sound like a big change | 13:18 |
| flux | ..though I'm hopeful that changing the USB connector would be less of one, though it would require modifying the case as well | 13:19 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | actually there is about an equal amount of hints for hardware is fixed/hardware is not yet fixed | 13:20 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | also all that "people powered" PR | 13:24 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | designing the tablet with the community, etc. | 13:25 |
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| Sail0r | it's just marketing | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'd say focused on SW | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | HW is hard to change; SW is easy | 13:29 |
| flux | similarly I'm sure the level for 3g/4g is so high as to not make it not happen :-) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:29 |
| RavenholmDX | I'm the kind of person | 13:30 |
| RavenholmDX | even though I don't want 3G/4G | 13:30 |
| flux | (oops, I had double negation) | 13:30 |
| RavenholmDX | if they add it, I'll buy it | 13:30 |
| RavenholmDX | I wouldn't say no to a 4G/64GB model for $100 more | 13:30 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: maybe for the next product, we could give our point of view on HW too ? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | the real problem there is that HW choices come down for RFQs and RFIs from vendors and those offers are confidential.. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | +reponses | 13:33 |
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| SK_work | RFQ RFI ? | 13:33 |
| SK_work | and about SW: /me want split screen, even if the goal is not reached | 13:34 |
| SK_work | it is close to be reached, come on ! | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | request for quotation / request for information | 13:34 |
| SK_work | hum | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.cambridgeconsultants.com/sites/default/files/documents/resources/dancing_with_the_tiger1_4.pdf | 13:34 |
| SK_work | I remember Nokia did a "build your smartphone" campaign | 13:34 |
| SK_work | allowing users to choose what they want from design to specs | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | how did that go anyhow | 13:35 |
| SK_work | they did realized it much much later (as the N9) | 13:35 |
| SK_work | thanks for the reading, looks pretty nice | 13:35 |
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| ggabriel | battery out of stock already :S | 14:27 |
| tadzik | ... | 14:27 |
| tadzik | why would you have such a small stock that you have to say "beware, the stock will be small" | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | i thought it was a marketing strategy | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | but clearly not | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | maybe not worth investing too much atm | 14:27 |
| lainwir3d | battery of ? | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | jolla | 14:28 |
| tadzik | of stock | 14:28 |
| * tadzik hides | 14:28 | |
| lainwir3d | wait, what ? where ? | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: too late | 14:28 |
| tbr | lol | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | shop.jolla.com | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | nice finding | 14:28 |
| lainwir3d | though without any external charger it's a bit useless IMO | 14:29 |
| lainwir3d | except if you want to replace a broken one | 14:29 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: I just tried with a real sdcard , btrfs, 2 subvolumes , mtp, copied two images there, works fine.. | 14:32 |
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| tbr | lainwir3d: it's a standard cell, so any li-poly charger will do, as long as you can limit the CC to something sane like 500mA or 1A | 14:33 |
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| lainwir3d | yeah, but it's quite annoying for non tech people imo | 14:34 |
| tbr | correct | 14:34 |
| lainwir3d | a ready to use plug / usb charger would be better | 14:34 |
| tbr | but most non tech people won't want a second battery | 14:35 |
| lainwir3d | with the exact mechanical size of the jolla battery | 14:35 |
| lainwir3d | true | 14:35 |
| chem|st | phaeron: grml... and why does mine not owrk? | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | most non tech people will ask what a battery is | 14:35 |
| tbr | or they will settle for a usb-battery-foo | 14:35 |
| lainwir3d | well, I really hope 3D printers will become commonplace | 14:35 |
| lainwir3d | it'll make availability of such things easier | 14:35 |
| lainwir3d | standard format li-poly charger PCB | 14:36 |
| tbr | yu | 14:36 |
| lainwir3d | and just a case adapted to a battery format | 14:36 |
| tbr | yup | 14:36 |
| phaeron | chem|st: maybe I am misunderstanding what is not working for you. The default subvolume ("jolla" according to your tjc guide) was exported over mtp and I copied stuff there. The images even showed up in gallery immediately | 14:37 |
| phaeron | chem|st: what OS version are you running so I can check the mtp related components. maybe some fixes are there. | 14:38 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: I'll check one more case | 14:42 |
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| * Morpog_PC__ was fast and got a spare battery :D | 14:49 | |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, here's to hoping we get the goal for split apps | 14:51 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | hmmm, U10 in this month will be tough, just seen a commit in a update10 branch from yesterday.... | 14:56 |
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| faenil | Morpog_PC__: I hope they will at least publish another opt-in | 14:57 |
| faenil | so that we can test it during holidays :) | 14:57 |
| Morpog_PC__ | faenil, last plans for opt-ins was only 1week opt-ins | 14:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | so for this year, it would need to be next week opt-in and the week after the u10 update | 14:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | so I guess, not going to happen | 14:58 |
| faenil | they don't really have to push the update out 1 week after opt-in | 14:58 |
| faenil | that was just a proposal, afaik :) | 14:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | they told so they would do it like that in the future | 14:59 |
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| faenil | they could publish the opt-in and then the full update in Jan | 14:59 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | well could :D | 14:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but everybody would opt-in then :D | 14:59 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | 3 micro distributor kits already | 15:10 |
| tbr | nice! | 15:11 |
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| lainwir3d | at this renewed rate we might make it :o | 15:18 |
| chem|st | phaeron: 1.1.0.39 and the other side is debian-testing | 15:19 |
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| * tbr uses debian testing and nautilus quite often for mtp and it works reasonably well | 15:21 | |
| chem|st | tbr: so there is another issue then?! | 15:23 |
| Azog | is there some statistics for indiegogo? | 15:23 |
| chem|st | can check when I am at home when you tell me what to do... | 15:23 |
| tbr | if something fails, then it's nautilus and I've had that fail both with my Nexus devices and with the Jolla | 15:24 |
| chem|st | I see the sd listed but it is empty | 15:24 |
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| tbr | ah, exporting SD I haven't tried | 15:24 |
| chem|st | maybe the gvfs is the actual cause | 15:24 |
| chem|st | tbr: phonestorage works more or less | 15:25 |
| tbr | *nod* | 15:25 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC__: wtf 25eur for a battery? | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well yep :D | 15:26 |
| SK_work | noone built a script to parse indigogo's website ? | 15:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | at least shipping was included | 15:26 |
| chem|st | SK_work: what for? | 15:27 |
| flux | morpog_pc__, I think someone somewhere(TM) suggested that U10 would not be out before holidays, so I guess it means it will be out next year :/ | 15:27 |
| flux | I mean, not right before holidays | 15:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yeah I think so too | 15:27 |
| flux | ..though it's been the jolla way to release right before weekend ;-) | 15:27 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: parse how the crowdfunding is going for the tablet | 15:28 |
| Morpog_PC__ | SK_work, well, I just need my F5 key for that :D | 15:29 |
| SK_work | I like curves | 15:29 |
| SK_work | as I guess that the funding rate has increased a lot | 15:30 |
| SK_work | but how much compared to initial funding (first few days) | 15:30 |
| flux | too bad there doesn't seem to be any functional indiegogo-curve-plotters, like there are for kickstarter | 15:31 |
| Mivalpuff | It's a little hard to be exact with with all the private pledges :P | 15:31 |
| flux | I imagine there's a much higher finishing peak for the tablet than there was for the tohkbd :) | 15:31 |
| Mivalpuff | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g-1e-8ujdRqb9_DL9gEGRyLxHWywvzAQJRQ1dhCriak/edit#gid=0 I made this some days ago, but it's only the info and the times aren't too good for stastistics use | 15:31 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: the battery thing is pretty absurd, yeah | 15:34 |
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| mornfall | well, *everything* is out of stock | 15:35 |
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| mornfall | maybe jolla should just give us a part id to get from chinese ebay/alibaba sellers | 15:36 |
| mornfall | hm, I guess the split screen goal will be a narrow miss | 15:36 |
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| flux | mornfall, I'm a bit doubtful if the battery is available publically | 15:37 |
| mornfall | flux: I have heard someone found a fit elsewhere | 15:37 |
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| flux | someone did find models that physically fit | 15:37 |
| flux | but they are smaller, both capacity and physical size | 15:37 |
| flux | I haven't heard of exact matches | 15:38 |
| mornfall | ok | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | ...or just license the thing? | 15:38 |
| mornfall | it's quite silly though | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | or maybe nobody is interested yet? | 15:38 |
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| flux | I wonder how big the batch was | 15:38 |
| flux | I considered buying it, but my jolla is still fine with the original battery | 15:39 |
| mornfall | probably not a manufacturing run | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | maybe this exercise proves that jolla can send x batteries in y minutes? :) | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | s/send/sell/ | 15:39 |
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| mornfall | (well of course jolla could always rig the campaign by buying a couple starter kits themselves :P) | 15:40 |
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| ggabriel | why give igg free money? :) | 15:41 |
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| mornfall | ggabriel: to get free marketing? | 15:42 |
| mornfall | (so I guess you can cross out “free” from both sides of the equation :P) | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | publicity you mean | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | but isn't this enough publicity? | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | anyway, i don't know | 15:43 |
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| ggabriel | the importnat thing is that i bought my battery | 15:43 |
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| mornfall | well, spendfing $2000 (which is the 4 % that igg will IIRC get from the remaining $50k) might be worth the publicity of hitting a stretch goal | 15:43 |
| mornfall | maybe not | 15:43 |
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| mornfall | marketing people might know more :-) | 15:44 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: oh, you did? | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | yup, i like extra batteries, especially after 1yr | 15:44 |
| mornfall | what's the shipping on it? | 15:45 |
| mornfall | (I know it's out of stock, just ooc) | 15:45 |
| mornfall | ah, “free shipping” for a limited time | 15:45 |
| mornfall | that might justify the price... maybe | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: uk free | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | i have bought cheaper batteries fwiw | 15:47 |
| mornfall | I'm also wondering if a lipoly battery of the same size would get to a higher capacity... | 15:48 |
| * lainwir3d wants a (non-dangerous) nuclear fusion battery of the same size | 15:49 | |
| ggabriel | i want a nuclear phone :P | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | you'll never be able to catch a plane though | 15:49 |
| lainwir3d | catch a plane ? | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | with a nuclear phone | 15:50 |
| lainwir3d | I don't get it | 15:50 |
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| ggabriel | you won't go past security | 15:50 |
| mornfall | lainwir3d: it'll take ages to get through security with a bomb | 15:50 |
| mornfall | (possible, anyway) | 15:51 |
| lainwir3d | oh | 15:51 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 15:51 |
| mornfall | although lithium batteries can be kinda exploded too | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, but the lipo bats only break the onwer's thighs | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | that's accepted ;) | 15:52 |
| lainwir3d | except if said thighs are explosive | 15:52 |
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| Mivalpuff | lol.. the simple regex that I ran on copypasted data just killed the data and then the data killed notepad++ | 15:54 |
| mornfall | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Expanded_lithium-ion_polymer_battery_from_an_Apple_iPhone_3GS.jpg heh | 15:54 |
| * ilpianista sets the counter to -52.000$ | 15:55 | |
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| mornfall | ilpianista: you'll wind up short over $600 :P | 15:55 |
| ilpianista | yeah! seams so! | 15:56 |
| ilpianista | :-D | 15:56 |
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| lainwir3d | $1,700,228 | 16:18 |
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| SK_work | 50k to go | 16:19 |
| SK_work | shouldn't be that hard | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | pocket change | 16:19 |
| daitheflu | has someone more info about the tablet cover ? | 16:20 |
| daitheflu | (how you fix it to the tablet, wood available, etc... ?) | 16:21 |
| chem|st | nope | 16:21 |
| daitheflu | I won't order one without knowing | 16:21 |
| daitheflu | darn | 16:21 |
| chem|st | guesses are like the ipad mini | 16:21 |
| * ilpianista -49k c'mon! | 16:21 | |
| daitheflu | chem|st: my Jolla XP tells me not to guess | 16:22 |
| chem|st | ilpianista: ~4k/h plenty of time! | 16:22 |
| ilpianista | last 25minutes we did 3k, and before that 3k in 10 minutes | 16:22 |
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| ilpianista | yes we can! | 16:22 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: then you should not have bought the tablet in the first place as the hardware is yet to be fixed | 16:22 |
| * ilpianista run | 16:23 | |
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| SK_work | it will be a close finish though | 16:23 |
| chem|st | indeed | 16:23 |
| mornfall | well | 16:24 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: I don't care that much about the tablet hw (except the screen) | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | close? | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | really? | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | 448%? | 16:24 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: close for the 2nd stretch goal | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | :) | 16:24 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: did you pay for shipping? if you do not care why do you care how the cover attaches? | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | i know, but it sounded too dramatic | 16:24 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: I paid for shipping | 16:24 |
| mornfall | they were slow with adding stretch goals, it's way too high in terms of % pledged | 16:25 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: if you make up your mind, I am 3 referrals short ;) http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/9179092 | 16:25 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: and I do care about how it's fixed because I don't want to stick it, I want something removeable :) | 16:25 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: how would removable work? | 16:25 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: I highly doubt that it will be "glued" to the device | 16:25 |
| mornfall | unless the tablet has builtin magnets or so | 16:25 |
| mornfall | chem|st: I very much expect it to be | 16:26 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: and you can always return within the first 14 days! | 16:26 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: some of Lastu cover/cases are glued | 16:26 |
| SK_work | I guess that it will somehow be clipped on the tablet | 16:26 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: I don't know, not my job to design covers :P | 16:26 |
| chem|st | mornfall: tape or glue? I doubt that, and the last word about TOH is not spoken yet! | 16:26 |
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| mornfall | well, the lastu cases for jolla phones are glued too | 16:27 |
| mornfall | (only they are glued to the TOH so less of an issue) | 16:27 |
| chem|st | lol | 16:27 |
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| daitheflu | as SK_work, I'd expect it to be clipped, so I can replace it if it gets old, broken or whatever | 16:27 |
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| SK_work | it won't be practical to have a glued cover on a tablet | 16:28 |
| mornfall | that'll only be possible if jolla makes some changes to the design, I suspect | 16:28 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: you can always return it! but I doubt it will be that cheap later on | 16:28 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 16:28 |
| lainwir3d | I too hope it will be removable | 16:28 |
| lainwir3d | I bought it nevertheless, but I'll be quite disappointed if it's not | 16:28 |
| chem|st | mornfall: ? clipped, you have a very bad imagination if you think that you cannot clip something to it in the current design! | 16:29 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: not without it being hideous, no :-) | 16:29 |
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| daitheflu | chem|st: yep, but I think I'm going to wait until I'm sure, even if I have to pay more | 16:29 |
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| daitheflu | it's just sad because it won't help the igg campaign :( just for a lack of information | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | mornfall: it could actually be as slim as 0.75mm for all I know, for durability I'd make it 1mmm | 16:30 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: you can return it... or are you outside EU? | 16:31 |
| chem|st | other laws? | 16:31 |
| lainwir3d | actually, I don't think the lastucase will be available after that | 16:31 |
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| SK_work | lainwir3d: why not ? | 16:31 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: it will cost 75€ after that^^ | 16:31 |
| lainwir3d | "This exclusive LastuCase is available only in this Indiegogo campaign for a special price, so get yours now by purchasing the LastuCase for Jolla Tablet Perk for $49 (shipping included)!" | 16:31 |
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| lainwir3d | that's what's written on the indiegogo page | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | it may be available at a not so special price | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | having said that, the cases in the jolla store are all sold out | 16:32 |
| lainwir3d | that's why I bought it before knowing if it's removable | 16:32 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: so what "it is only in the igg campaign that cheap" is what I read | 16:32 |
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| lainwir3d | oh :-( | 16:32 |
| daitheflu | lainwir3d: if there is demand, they will make it available :P | 16:32 |
| lainwir3d | I'm gonna cry if it's available after that and it's not removable | 16:32 |
| lainwir3d | :'( | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: erm, sell it? :P | 16:32 |
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| daitheflu | chem|st: are you sure I will be able to return it ? (since it's part of the igg thing ?) | 16:32 |
| lainwir3d | With the tablet still attached to it ? | 16:32 |
| lainwir3d | :-/ | 16:33 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451267 | 16:33 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: you can return the tablet too | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: i'm sure you can figure that out _before_ you attach it to the tablet? | 16:33 |
| mornfall | chem|st: well, the lastucase for ipad mini is definitely ugly (the plastic attachment mechanism anyway) | 16:33 |
| lainwir3d | oh, you think it's not gonna be sent already attached to it ? | 16:33 |
| chem|st | in EU 14 days after you received | 16:33 |
| mornfall | chem|st: and it'll be only worse with the jolla design as it is | 16:33 |
| mornfall | so gluing it to the tablet might be actually less bad | 16:34 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: thanks :) | 16:34 |
| chem|st | mornfall: I'd say #together it! Lastucase won't have a finished design yet | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: good question, i doubt they'll come as one item | 16:34 |
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| mornfall | no, the lastucase is shipped from finland, the tablet from HK | 16:34 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: one will be shipped from HK one from .fi! | 16:34 |
| chem|st | mornfall: :) | 16:35 |
| lainwir3d | oh alright | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | i really don't mind tbh :) | 16:35 |
| lainwir3d | well I'll sell it then if it's glued | 16:35 |
| mornfall | anyway, it's leather so I don't want it, removable or glued | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | allergic to leather? | 16:35 |
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| lainwir3d | real leather or made to look like leather not-leather ? | 16:36 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: I am not happy with the Tablet, can I return it? | 16:36 |
| chem|st | You may return the tablet delivered to you within 14 days of receiving it. | 16:36 |
| chem|st | is from the igg website | 16:36 |
| mornfall | lainwir3d: it's real leather, based on the description | 16:36 |
| lainwir3d | like the Parrot ZIK 2.0 headphone | 16:36 |
| lainwir3d | ok | 16:36 |
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| mornfall | but I don't even like how leather looks, so even if it was fake I wouldn't want it... | 16:36 |
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| mornfall | no idea where the obsession with leather comes from | 16:37 |
| TMavica | who free to help me enable NEWs in my owncloud server? | 16:37 |
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| daitheflu | chem|st: they don't precise if you get a refound or not + they don't precise if the same conditions apply for the cover | 16:40 |
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| daitheflu | but I'll assume they will (refound + apply same conditions) | 16:40 |
| mornfall | well, you can probably resell either of those | 16:40 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: it is EU law... | 16:41 |
| mornfall | chem|st: EU law doesn't apply in HK | 16:41 |
| tiwake | I still want a jolla phone here in USA :P | 16:41 |
| chem|st | mornfall: lastucase is still in finland! | 16:41 |
| mornfall | chem|st: true, but you still buy it from a HK company | 16:41 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: EU laws are often overstepped (tell Apple that your brand new Mac must have a 2 years warranty ;) ) | 16:42 |
| chem|st | but they are selling specifically to this market what means they have to obey gravity! | 16:42 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: it has; the same law also says apple has a month to work out your warranty claim | 16:42 |
| mornfall | chem|st: actually, no :-) they can accept returns, but they don't have to if they don't feel like it | 16:43 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: *moreover* since this is indiegogo, they don't even have to ship anything | 16:43 |
| chem|st | daitheflu: another reason not to buy apple products | 16:43 |
| mornfall | chem|st: you aren't buying a product | 16:43 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: last time I checked it hasn't, and they ignore requests | 16:43 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: sue them, I guess (might depend on a country; I heard in UK they are just obnoxious about it, but they respect the law) | 16:44 |
| daitheflu | well let's resume : it's pretty woolly :) | 16:44 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: you might also be misunderstanding something -- eg. batteries (and hence, battery replacement) is *not* covered for 2 years under EU law | 16:45 |
| mornfall | only manufacturing defects are | 16:45 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: I'm not talking about batteries :) (which in fact are considered as consummables (not sure about the english word for it) | 16:46 |
| daitheflu | I still have a few hours to make my mind | 16:48 |
| daitheflu | or for them to answer the questions *hint hint* :D | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | daitheflu: do, and if you do use my link please ;) | 16:49 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: well, as I said, I don't expect you'll have much trouble re-selling the tablet and/or the case | 16:49 |
| daitheflu | chem|st: if I do I'll use your link :) | 16:49 |
| Mivalpuff | Nice, less than 50K to go now | 16:49 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: (it'll probably be less expensive than returning them, because shipping and VAT headaches) | 16:50 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: (also don't forget about VAT which is *not* included in the price, because HK) | 16:50 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: I'll keep the tablet | 16:50 |
| mornfall | (that's another blatant violation of EU regulations btw. :-) | 16:50 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: yes :) | 16:51 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: and yes again :) | 16:51 |
| mornfall | (makes you wonder how many sloppy readers will be angry when the shipment time comes) | 16:51 |
| daitheflu | and maybe some more for the shipping | 16:52 |
| mornfall | you pay for the shipping now (or at least should) | 16:52 |
| mornfall | although there's probably no mechanism that makes sure you do | 16:53 |
| mornfall | so that might be another surprise for some, yes | 16:53 |
| daitheflu | mornfall: I did, but, if I remember well, they stated that it was a rough evaluation of the shipping fees | 16:53 |
| daitheflu | and that they could ask for more, depending on where you live, etc.. | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | 20 dorra is a lot for shipping, it should be fine | 16:54 |
| mornfall | daitheflu: doesn't say anything like that | 16:55 |
| mornfall | yes, $20 is quite overpriced for shipping :-) | 16:55 |
| mornfall | so they should slap on some insurance or so | 16:55 |
| tiwake | with international insurance and tracking, $20 isnt bad at all | 16:56 |
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| mornfall | tiwake: chinese ebay sellers customarily charge 0 shipping on $50 items (of similar size and/or fragility) | 16:58 |
| mornfall | I guess they aren't paying $20 of that for shipping :-) | 16:59 |
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| mornfall | I wonder if shipping in volume gets you a discount or a surcharge... | 17:02 |
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| tiwake | or it could be "we need more money, lets charge double for shipping" | 17:06 |
| tiwake | lol | 17:06 |
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| Nightmare__ | those bundles ar a really nice strategic move by jolla, increase IGG funding at campaigns endand get more [probably unsaleable] phones under the people | 17:14 |
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| mornfall | well, they did sell almost 100 phones this way (so far) | 17:16 |
| * tbr added some 50 buckos by clicking the case | 17:17 | |
| tbr | don't need a third jolla at the moment ;) | 17:17 |
| mornfall | yeah, me neither... | 17:17 |
| tbr | when I did campaign was at $1,705,746 | 17:18 |
| tbr | so it has the momentum to make it | 17:18 |
| mornfall | yes | 17:18 |
| mornfall | seems possible | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC__ | did blackberry just itch qt5? http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/Native-Development/Qt5-Binary-overlay-qtlab-blackberry-com-didnt-answer/m-p/3026578/highlight/false#M69169 | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ditch | 17:19 |
| daitheflu | laterz ! | 17:20 |
| mornfall | didn't BB go under? | 17:20 |
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| tbr | they're not doing well, but not under just yet | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC__ | seems theyre stuck with qt4 then | 17:21 |
| Nightmare__ | they release a new phone next week - bb classic | 17:21 |
| mornfall | Morpog_PC__: well, it makes about zero sense to run both a qt4 and a qt5 stack on a single device | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sure, but what about the future? | 17:21 |
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| mornfall | Morpog_PC__: this was just about BB10 though; new phone might be qt5-based | 17:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | BB11 then? | 17:22 |
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| mornfall | whatev's :-) | 17:22 |
| mornfall | if what Nightmare__ says is true, we'll learn soon enough | 17:23 |
| mornfall | (I'd be more interested in how's Sailfish doing...) | 17:23 |
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| mornfall | hm 450% | 17:24 |
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| SK_work | BB releases nice phones indeed, and nice SW (BB10 has much more features compared to SFOS), but they don't seems to care much about their stack | 17:28 |
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| SK_work | mornfall: Qt 5's additions makes Qt 4 look really old and bad | 17:28 |
| mornfall | SK_work: well, it also seems to be a bit on the memory-hungry side | 17:29 |
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| Nightmare__ | the new phone is arunning 10.3 as far as i know | 17:30 |
| SK_work | I would like to have BB10.3 features on SFOS | 17:30 |
| mornfall | SK_work: so maybe they don't want to upgrade to qt5 for that reason; also they might have trouble reaching agreement with digia on something | 17:30 |
| SK_work | mornfall: don't know | 17:30 |
| SK_work | they contribute to port Qt to QNX | 17:30 |
| SK_work | IIRC there are commits in gerrit | 17:31 |
| SK_work | meh, only 40k left | 17:31 |
| SK_work | Jolla IGG, why u raise so quickly | 17:31 |
| SK_work | :D | 17:31 |
| mornfall | yeah, probably... I'd hope for BB's sake that it's more memory-efficient than Sailfish :-) | 17:31 |
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| mornfall | SK_work: did you place a bet on something? :P | 17:31 |
| SK_work | mornfall: no, I just want some more epic finish | 17:33 |
| SK_work | but I'm happy that they raise 1k / 15 min | 17:33 |
| SK_work | and now, 40k left | 17:36 |
| SK_work | aka 190 tablets, or 13.6 tablets per hour | 17:37 |
| suosaaski | I doubt they will make the last 40k... | 17:37 |
| Nightmare__ | the company i work for started a crwdfunding campaign yesterday, goal 50k, they reached 585€ :D | 17:37 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: unless there's a sharp dropoff they will (although there might, considering most of it will be night in Europe) | 17:37 |
| suosaaski | But, on the other hand... it would be weird if they did not make the split screen eventually anyway... | 17:37 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: why ? | 17:37 |
| SK_work | Nightmare__: ew :( | 17:38 |
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| SK_work | suosaaski: yeah | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | SK_work: it has not been going up that fast lately. | 17:38 |
| SK_work | better reaching the goal than not | 17:38 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: it's going pretty fast last couple of hours | 17:38 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: well, it's quite fast atm | 17:38 |
| SK_work | ~1k/15 min as a rough estimate | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | goal #3 won't definitely not make it :) | 17:38 |
| SK_work | we still have tomorrow morning, don't we ? | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | -not | 17:39 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: of course, $2.5M is out of the question | 17:39 |
| suosaaski | So, people started buying that combo with the phone or what happened? Or people just realized it's their last change? :) | 17:39 |
| tbr | chance | 17:40 |
| Acce | someone took one micro-distributor more today :o | 17:40 |
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| suosaaski | Yes, chance :) | 17:40 |
| suosaaski | change is a different thing :) | 17:40 |
| * tbr threw in 50 bucks for the case | 17:40 | |
| mornfall | suosaaski: the phones aren't that big of a boost, it's 101 pieces currently | 17:41 |
| suosaaski | The cases cover looks a lot like the one on the ipad mini case. I liked that, a lot sturdier than the way it is on apples own covers. | 17:42 |
| Azog | i think there were a lot of cases sold in the last days | 17:42 |
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| mornfall | the tablet is still the main driver | 17:42 |
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| suosaaski | That's a big order for Lastu :) | 17:44 |
| suosaaski | I wonder if they'll offer custom engraving for the cases. | 17:44 |
| Nightmare__ | at least the have time till may | 17:44 |
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| SK_work | custom engraving please <3 | 17:45 |
| mornfall | suosaaski: well, they put a 3000 cap on the perk, probably for a reason | 17:45 |
| suosaaski | SK_work: normally they offer it for free on their cases. But that's a lot of cases to customize... | 17:45 |
| SK_work | kimmoli: did you win the referral race ? | 17:46 |
| SK_work | will you do a "ifixit" like teardown ? :) | 17:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | SK_work: teardowns are unfortunately somewhat irrelevant if you can't purchase parts | 17:49 |
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| suosaaski | Now... any news on multiuser support? | 17:51 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: no news | 17:52 |
| SK_work | you are encouraged to hack though | 17:52 |
| SK_work | but multiuser on a wayland system sounds bad | 17:52 |
| SK_work | or not ready yet | 17:52 |
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| suosaaski | Yeah... well... hacking + shared family tablet = no-go :) | 17:52 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | suosaaski: just get two :) | 17:53 |
| suosaaski | That would mean three... so no :) | 17:53 |
| SK_work | :D | 17:54 |
| suosaaski | There are tablets that allow me to do this, so I'll have to stick to those for now. | 17:54 |
| SK_work | damn, funding rate slowed down | 17:55 |
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| suosaaski | They would be stupid not to implement split window at all just cause it was missed by a few pennies. | 17:56 |
| suosaaski | :) | 17:57 |
| SK_work | yeah | 17:57 |
| suosaaski | I believe they are still aiming for the best possible user experience. | 17:57 |
| SK_work | but better have this target funded | 17:57 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | well it does not sound very difficult to do that actually | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | not trivial, sure | 18:03 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | but I can think about any outright difficult stuff needed for split screen | 18:04 |
| suosaaski | split screen on windows 8.1 works nicely. | 18:04 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | especially since you already have real multitasking & active covers | 18:05 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | well even Apple II could kinda do that :) | 18:05 |
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| suosaaski | Of course, and xp and whatever. But the one on windows 8 works for touch screen. And works well. | 18:07 |
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| mornfall | SK_work: yeah, it's late in EU and early in US :-) | 18:15 |
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| japa-fi | Is it possible to store custom ring tones in folders other than Music? | 18:18 |
| japa-fi | I hate when I listen to my .mp3 files and the track that I have as ringtone is played. | 18:18 |
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| japa-fi | Already twice I've unplugged my headset and grabbed my phone to answer it just to realize "It't not ringing! DOH!" | 18:19 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | hi | 18:21 |
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| sebsebseb | oh intereitng AL13N is in here | 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N_work: | 18:21 |
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| cloanta | japa-fi: yes . usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo | 18:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | japa-fi: problem is tracker will still find it | 18:33 |
| japa-fi | cloanta, thanks | 18:34 |
| joonahoi | åhpriR | 18:41 |
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| japa-fi | what is the path for the files that are visible when jolla is mounted as MTP? | 18:42 |
| * sebsebseb thinks if he wants to get that case or not as well, already bought tablet, about to buy phone | 18:44 | |
| * sebsebseb doesn't realy want to buy stuff made out of leather anymore.... | 18:44 | |
| sebsebseb | dead cow | 18:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | nothing wrong with dead cows | 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | might make good material,but stil is what it is | 18:45 |
| japa-fi | cloanta, nemo@Jolla Sounds]$ mv *Breathe* /usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/ | 18:46 |
| japa-fi | mv: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/2 - Breathe.mp3': Permission denied | 18:46 |
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| cloanta | japa-fi: you need to be root | 18:47 |
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| japa-fi | What is the password or is there way to get root without passwd? | 18:48 |
| tbr | devel-su | 18:48 |
| tbr | and the same password you set in settings ui | 18:48 |
| kimmoli | SK_work: you are on all channels :) | 18:48 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: JOIN ALL THE CHANNELS! ;) | 18:48 |
| kimmoli | /join #* ? | 18:49 |
| kimmoli | i have one tablet to tear down (or not yet...) | 18:49 |
| tbr | \o/ | 18:50 |
| kimmoli | or now reach for 2nd free? | 18:50 |
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| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: welll for us peopel who decided to go vegeteirna we an have issues with that | 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: ,but othrwise sure I guess not a big deal really for most people | 18:52 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: I am one short for the lastucase... | 19:04 |
| kimmoli | still hours to go... | 19:05 |
| AL13N | sebsebseb: if you wanna buy one, you can use my referral link :-) | 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: I already bougght the tablet | 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: I was about to do the phone as well | 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | I bought tablet weeks ago | 19:05 |
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| sebsebseb | AL13N: I guess I won't be the only one out of our lot at FOSDEM with a Jolla phone on them probaby then :D | 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | how come your interested in it? | 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: have you bought the case as well? I am debating it.... | 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah what I put above | 19:08 |
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| AL13N | i ordered the tablet and the case too | 19:11 |
| AL13N | it looks very solid | 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: yeah it's probably got, only issue I have if anything though with it, is how it's also made out of dead ow | 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | since leather | 19:12 |
| AL13N | i like it because it's a full linux (no slow java emulation like android) and has a decent terminal with all the needed stuff | 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | dead cow above | 19:12 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: exactly | 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: why you put exactly in response to me? | 19:12 |
| AL13N | probably the dead cow | 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: only thing is Jolla may not be fully open source | 19:13 |
| mornfall | exactly :D | 19:13 |
| AL13N | everyone who uses btrfs knows that cow is a good thing :-) | 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | or so I have read | 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | GUI stuff may still be propritary for example | 19:13 |
| AL13N | there's parts of the UI and some driver blobs for hardware not open source | 19:13 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: actually both top and the bottom of the stack is closed | 19:13 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: it's just the middle bits that are OSS | 19:13 |
| AL13N | most of the gui is in qml anyway... so | 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: oh | 19:13 |
| AL13N | (for now) | 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: so it really is like IOS in that sense? | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | yes I did read somethngabout for now to though | 19:14 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: well, the kernel is Linux, but the drivers are closed | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | apprantly stuff would get open sourced later | 19:14 |
| giucam | well, not all the top is closed | 19:14 |
| AL13N | the middle is the big part anyway | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: you getting the phone to or not? :d | 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: there's a dicount again, but only until the end of the compain | 19:14 |
| AL13N | the UI for the main OS is not that big, considering most apps are open source anyway | 19:15 |
| AL13N | sebsebseb: i already had the phone since the beginning | 19:15 |
| AL13N | good phone | 19:15 |
| * sebsebseb will find it funny if Orange ring up at the end of Janurary trying to sell me a new contract and phone :d | 19:15 | |
| mornfall | giucam: well, nothing of the top can be currently built/used without the closed UI toolkit bits | 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: how did you find out about Jolla? I went to the tand lat year at FOSDEM an chatted htere a bit | 19:15 |
| giucam | mornfall: ok, but i.e. sailfish-browser itself is open source | 19:15 |
| mornfall | giucam: so while the code for browser and some other stuff is OSS, it can't run on an open stack | 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | I'll be like to Orange, no sorry, I don't think you even have the phones for sale that I am interested in :d | 19:16 |
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| sebsebseb | Orange/EE well they got bought out by EE | 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: hey you want an Ubuntu PHone to :d | 19:17 |
| AL13N | no | 19:17 |
| AL13N | sorry | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | yeah you don't iek Cannical if I remember correctly | 19:17 |
| AL13N | besides that project was scrapped anyway | 19:17 |
| mornfall | AL13N: not entirely | 19:17 |
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| sebsebseb | the edge yes, but they got companies who are going to sell them next year it seems | 19:17 |
| mornfall | it just didn't get crowdfunded | 19:17 |
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| sebsebseb | sell the OS on other phones I Mean | 19:17 |
| AL13N | the cool part of jolla phone is that you can actually run android apps on it | 19:18 |
| AL13N | mornfall: oh | 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: yes I read that etc | 19:18 |
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| sebsebseb | does that work realy well though? | 19:18 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: if you solder in another gig of ram, yes :-) | 19:18 |
| AL13N | i'll admit to not having the android parts installed | 19:18 |
| AL13N | i just didn't want to, nor needed to | 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | the Android parts? | 19:18 |
| AL13N | i will install the android layer on the tablet though | 19:18 |
| mornfall | I suspect android on tablets sucks even more than android on phones... | 19:19 |
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| AL13N | sebsebseb: anyway, if you want the case/phone, you'll have to hurry | 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | wll I got a cheap Anrodi tablet, it's sort of ok | 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: yes it's ony a few more hours I think | 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | for corwd funding | 19:19 |
| AL13N | mornfall: the dual apps thing might make it more suitable | 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | I was about to buy though :) | 19:19 |
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| AL13N | well, you can buy later, but then it'll cost you more | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: yeah about 8 hours left or something I Think it is | 19:20 |
| AL13N | and we need your donation for the next stretch goal :-) | 19:20 |
| mornfall | AL13N: or maybe not :-) | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am about to buy anyway so :) | 19:20 |
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| mornfall | AL13N: if coupons on the tablet look anything like coupons on the phone, it'll go for less than the first perk level soon enough ;P | 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: I was meaning to email my LUG about it to :d hadn't before | 19:20 |
| AL13N | mornfall: they did say that at release time it would be cheaper | 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: I gues this is the last chance for that hten this evening soon :d | 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | someone there might want.... | 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if they don't eread their emails in time, and don't know, oh well | 19:21 |
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| AL13N | i still want the dual apps thing though | 19:22 |
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| mornfall | AL13N: you have the unique chance to get it at only $25000 :-) | 19:23 |
| AL13N | http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/2014/10/multi-touch-and-bigger-screens.html | 19:23 |
| AL13N | $21551 | 19:24 |
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| AL13N | sebsebseb: read this blog post | 19:24 |
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| AL13N | 167 tablets left, 6833 sold | 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: yeah it's aweomse :) | 19:26 |
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| sebsebseb | AL13N: well thre is about to be naother phone sale from me :d | 19:27 |
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| sebsebseb | maybe some peoel from my LUG will get sometign to once that email is sent :d | 19:27 |
| AL13N | 842 cases left of 3000 | 19:27 |
| AL13N | that's great | 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N: oh | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | yeah wel ok my leather commets, but I guess I''ll get a case to hmm | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | anyway soeone else who is vegeterin is always like to me, well it's just a bi product | 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | not like your eating it | 19:28 |
| mornfall | err | 19:28 |
| AL13N | this reminds me of my kids | 19:29 |
| AL13N | my daughter 5y old | 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | he thinks makes good material, it does really, but it's just a bit of a shame really what it's actsually made out of | 19:29 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: human teeth make a pretty good material too :-) | 19:31 |
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| AL13N | mornfall: lol | 19:31 |
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| AL13N | ok, gtg, wife needs computer... again | 19:31 |
| mornfall | (although you might make to kill the owners while young before the teeth spoil) | 19:32 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: on the other hand, a lot of leather (especially fine leather) is a byproduct of milk industry | 19:32 |
| mornfall | so if you eat/use dairy, leather probably isn't any worse | 19:33 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: wel I was thinking thatearier kind of | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: some of hte lather may come from milk giving cow | 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | not just a meat one | 19:42 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: it's actually from the male offspring of milk cows... (which is why it's especially fine) | 19:42 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: milk cows are processed into animal feed, mostly, I think | 19:43 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: the killed male, makes leather, oro waht do you mean? | 19:43 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: yes, milk cows are obviously often impregnated, and something has to be done with the calves... leather is one such use | 19:44 |
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| sebsebseb | oh | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yeah i THINK I | 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | well soemoen told me smeting lke that mae atsaully | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | that the milk cows just kee on getting pregnant really | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | for more milk | 19:46 |
| mornfall | (your keyboard is really kinda broken :P) | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | net book keyboard | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | and was in a bad position | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | with the fingers | 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | hence a lot of the typos | 19:47 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: hmm intereseting though, your basially saying using leather is about as bad as using milk | 19:47 |
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| * sebsebseb likes his milk shakes to much to want to go vegan to. oh and normal pizza with normal cheese is good to for example | 19:48 | |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: yes, basically | 19:49 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I really liked cheese and milk and stuff, but despite that, the transition turned out to be very painless... YMMV :) | 19:49 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: what does YMMV mean? and oh your a vegeterian or vegan? | 19:50 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: your mileage may vary | 19:51 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: it's a canned disclamier “my experience may not apply to you” | 19:51 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I'm vegan now | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | right yeah ok I understand yuo now what yu meant :) | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: oh intersing your vegan | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | so are you a guy or a girl by the way to? | 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | seems to me it's mainy women that go veggie | 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: hmm so no leather for you then? | 19:52 |
| Acce | hmm 12 hours to get 1.75 M$ | 19:52 |
| Acce | looks like we might make it | 19:53 |
| * sebsebseb case or not thinks, well it's leather so uhmm | 19:53 | |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I'm a guy, but my wife's vegan too if that helps cosmic balance :-) | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | when I found out what leather aully was ealrier this year when I bought something | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | I was ike oh | 19:53 |
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| sebsebseb | so leather is mae out of..... | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | well I won't knowingly buy that again | 19:53 |
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| sebsebseb | kind of thing | 19:53 |
| Azog | 20k left for split screen | 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | can get other non leather cases for tablets anyway | 19:54 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: no, no leather for me (I obviously didn't throw out leather shoes I bought before becoming vegan, but not buying new stuff) | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: I think I care more about vegeteranism and things ike that, then open sorce now days really :d | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | 19:54 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I really wish lastucase made textile-based cases though | 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | I mean it would be great if more people we4re :) | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | most peole just don't careabout that stuff eough | 19:55 |
| mornfall | I also like textile look much more than shiny leather | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | to even think about what they are realy doing properly | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: yeah bingo Ibought this wrist rest earlier hts year, before fiding out what leater was really made out of | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | I stilll have it, but I don't really use it as a reuslt | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | just sits in a box now | 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | then I guess there is som past stuff arond that was leather to of course etc. oh I atsaully I did uuse this pair of leather shoes a bit earlier that already. the other month instead of slipers I Mean inside | 19:56 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: yep bingo if already got it, already got it, but if not, don't buy it I guess, that's what your saying? when it comes to leahter? | 19:56 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: what was that cse anyway, seemed a bit big form what I saw before, it's made out of wood and leahter | 19:57 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: ping, just notifying that some NFC ID's submitted to devcare | 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: so why did you go vegan and when, how long you been etc? | 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | you were vegeterian first or? | 20:01 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I've been vegetarian since forever, yes | 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: how long? | 20:03 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: I went vegan couple years back (summer 2012 or so) | 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | mornfall: so you weren't at all tempted by that Jolla case then? | 20:03 |
| mornfall | sebsebseb: 20 years +/- (i.e. basically since I can remember) | 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | of course plastic is made out of old sea creatures really, but that's different :D | 20:05 |
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| sebsebseb | mornfall: why did you go vegan? | 20:08 |
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| mornfall | sebsebseb: (sorry I am engaged in a few other conversations, -> laggy) | 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 20:08 |
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| beidl | $15000 remaining... | 20:19 |
| Tofe | beidl: no pressure, eh ? :) | 20:19 |
| beidl | Tofe: you don't even know how much I'm freaking out. | 20:20 |
| falfa | damned lodspeaker, i need to smash the jolla in a table once a day to make the speaker work, now i'm getting to worry that the screen takes harm | 20:20 |
| beidl | I mean, I'm sitting on my laptop, with a straight face, so I don't show it, BUT.. | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 20:21 | |
| attah | Stskeeps: long hours with all that's going on? | 20:21 |
| beidl | Stskeeps: kamelåså | 20:21 |
| Scelt | falfa: same here but I don't smash it. just a little tap. send it to warranty service | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | attah: just a helsinki visit, i keep long hours | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | meritähti? | 20:22 |
| attah | beidl: I'm laughing waaay more than is appropriate.. | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | nah, not tonight | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | tomorrow maybe | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:22 |
| falfa | Scelt: yeah, but a tap is not enough :-( I think you're right about the warranty | 20:22 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: well, what's good is that if you work "all day long", it's quite short now :p | 20:22 |
| Ezko | do you happen to need a taxi in the next 8 hours?! | 20:22 |
| Ezko | Stskeeps: | 20:22 |
| Scelt | falfa: my phone is waiting for me to take it to service. replacement phone is a bit of a worry so haven't got myself to take it there yet | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:23 |
| Ezko | :( | 20:23 |
| beidl | attah: there is no such thing as inappropriate jokes, especially if it's about danes :) | 20:23 |
| falfa | Scelt: its a 1 year warranty? | 20:23 |
| beidl | I assume that helsinki visit implies champagne bottles being popped | 20:23 |
| attah | Stskeeps: None the less i keep finding myself jealous of you guys :) | 20:23 |
| Scelt | falfa: think so, yet in Finland I think there's two years if it's a fault of manufacturing or similar. the loudspeaker seems to be a pretty common problem | 20:24 |
| Tofe | ( beidl: $14000 now, just in case you didn't hit F5 yet ) | 20:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | wtf, the amount explded since I refreshed last time | 20:25 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the constant twitter spamming seems to work | 20:25 |
| beidl | Tofe: I did, just between checking if my external HDD is still connected and looking at the ceiling :D | 20:25 |
| sharpneli | Scelt: Yeah. If it's "tyyppivika" (as in, really really common) then it's practically eternal warranty | 20:25 |
| pp_ | after "warranty" it can be messy, just try dealing with apple :-) | 20:26 |
| falfa | Scelt: i seem to have 5 months or so left :-) | 20:26 |
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| Scelt | sharpneli: tyyppivikahan se selkeesti on | 20:27 |
| beidl | the $1.500.000 stretch goal should have been a free giraffe | 20:27 |
| beidl | (free as in free speech, not free beer) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | danes kill giraffes | 20:28 |
| Tofe | huh ? | 20:28 |
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| lainwir3d | $1,737,387USD ! | 20:28 |
| Scelt | falfa: good, then just send it in and tell them about all the other faults too (camera lens scratched, sim card reader may be buggy, battery contacts are loose etc. :P ) | 20:28 |
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| beidl | Stskeeps: I'm somehow starting to believe that you won't accept libhybris patches to link giraffe symbols | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 20:29 |
| lainwir3d | giraffe ? | 20:29 |
| Tofe | beidl: giraffes is already full of patches | 20:29 |
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| coderus | nice contributions increase :) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | 1,737,436.. | 20:31 |
| falfa | Scelt: no problem with those :-) I think the device has aged okay compared to other devices i've owned. | 20:31 |
| falfa | the unit often loses contact with the sim card, but i think that is a software problem | 20:31 |
| beidl | Tofe: by the looks of their necks, I can see that | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | falfa: just ask to have that repaired | 20:32 |
| falfa | Stskeeps: okay | 20:32 |
| Morpog_PC__ | hmmm http://www.igalia.com/nc/igalia-247/news/item/announcing-webkit-for-wayland/ | 20:32 |
| attah | ^nice! | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | https://01.org/ozone-wayland in that vein, too | 20:34 |
| Tofe | Morpog_PC__: what does it mean ? There is already a qtwebkit component, which can be run on wayland eventually, like does Webcat | 20:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sounds even better | 20:35 |
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| * beidl always gets reminded of "Dragostea din teï" when he reads "ozone" | 20:35 | |
| Morpog_PC__ | which is not maintained anymore tofe | 20:35 |
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| Tofe | Morpog_PC__: oh, I missed that :( | 20:36 |
| Morpog_PC__ | digia switched to qtwebengine | 20:36 |
| xkr47 | oh wow, looks like second stretch target is possible! | 20:36 |
| Morpog_PC__ | looks like? it's peanuts away now | 20:36 |
| Tofe | Morpog_PC__: ah ok ! I thought you meant webcat. Ok, yes, qtwebengine is now the future. But still based on webkit, right | 20:37 |
| mornfall | Morpog_PC__: unless the customer base falls asleep in next 10 minutes, anyway | 20:37 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the constant spamming will keep them awake :D | 20:37 |
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| Tofe | Morpog_PC__: the value of a peanut can vary a lot, depending if it's a billionnaire speaking or the average artist guy | 20:38 |
| xkr47 | Morpog_PC__, yeah.. :) | 20:38 |
| xkr47 | lol | 20:38 |
| * xkr47 wonders if splitscreen would then appear in the jolla phone as well :) | 20:38 | |
| Morpog_PC__ | sounds totally useless | 20:38 |
| beidl | not enough space on the screen | 20:39 |
| xkr47 | depends on what you do :) | 20:39 |
| Morpog_PC__ | maybe on a 5,5" device | 20:39 |
| xkr47 | if you want to keep irc open and your bus schedule at the same time | 20:39 |
| xkr47 | :) | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | splitscreen is obviously putting a jolla phone on top of the tablet? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | P | 20:39 |
| Tofe | well, Stskeeps always tells us we get to keep both pieces if we break our Jolla. Wasn't he talking about that feature ? ;) | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:39 |
| xkr47 | hehe Stskeeps | 20:39 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | ah thats the combo perk for, it's the splitscreen feature, lol | 20:40 |
| beidl | duct tape is magic | 20:40 |
| Tofe | "with each tablet, you now get an axe" | 20:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the deodorant? | 20:41 |
| beidl | s/axe/giraffes/ | 20:41 |
| Tofe | beidl: not sure a giraffe can split a screen. Properly, I mean. | 20:42 |
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| Nicd- | geraffes are so dumb | 20:44 |
| beidl | "danes kill giraffes" ... "get to keep both pieces" ... this frightens me | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | <- patrick bateman? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:44 |
| beidl | enough giraffes, $10000 remaining! | 20:44 |
| beidl | haha | 20:44 |
| beidl | "feed me with a giraffe" | 20:45 |
| lainwir3d | oh, didn't see another micro distributor starter kit got selected | 20:46 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: would you mind joining #maemo for a sec, we are out of ops and need s/o banned | 20:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1451267#post1451267 | 20:54 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | damn; it's going even faster now :D | 21:03 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | less than 6000 to go | 21:03 |
| xkr47 | Morpog_PC__, peanuts just halved in 30 minutes :) | 21:03 |
| xkr47 | hehee | 21:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i like to eat lots of peanus | 21:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | peanuts | 21:03 |
| xkr47 | in Finland we have this thing called loppukiri :) | 21:03 |
| beidl | fail | 21:03 |
| Morpog_PC__ | without the T it sounds kinda scary | 21:03 |
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| beidl | Morpog_PC__: sounds small | 21:04 |
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| lainwir3d | 1,745,721USD | 21:07 |
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| chem|st | did I just hear penis? | 21:10 |
| chem|st | oh that igg is ticking fast! | 21:10 |
| Tofe | chem|st: yes. | 21:11 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | what sound does it make? | 21:11 |
| Tofe | chem|st: you have an highlight on such things on irc? | 21:11 |
| xkr47 | $1,746,745 | 21:11 |
| xkr47 | current speed: $12k per hour | 21:13 |
| Tofe | yes, they'll make it before midnight in .fi | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | shame you can't go buy beer after 9pm. | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:14 |
| xkr47 | in 15 minutes is my guess :) | 21:14 |
| xkr47 | :D | 21:14 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: don't tell me you guys don't have an emergency stock? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: you probably won't believe me but we're not waiting to hit 1,5 mill and having champagne waiting.. :P | 21:15 |
| xkr47 | "break in case of jolla emergency" | 21:15 |
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| lainwir3d | hehehe | 21:15 |
| * beidl imagines the every jolla office to be full of drnuk pepl... | 21:15 | |
| AL13N_jolla_ | wow, less than 3k to go! | 21:15 |
| xkr47 | in finnish "merihädässä riko lasi" | 21:16 |
| tbr | break in case of rough sea ;) | 21:16 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | suddenly it goes fast | 21:16 |
| xkr47 | it jumps in funny increments | 21:16 |
| xkr47 | 1747072 -> 1747121 -> 1747190 | 21:16 |
| * inte_awa` just ordered a LastuCase for his tablet | 21:17 | |
| xkr47 | are people just contributing randm amounts of money | 21:17 |
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| inte_awa` | want the next perk to become true :) | 21:17 |
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| xkr47 | 12 minutes and counting | 21:17 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | i count 49$ | 21:17 |
| inte | might work out, hopefully;) | 21:17 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | and sometimes 20$ | 21:18 |
| inte | 12 Minutes? 11hours! | 21:18 |
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| xkr47 | 12 minutes to $1.75m | 21:18 |
| xkr47 | or well, 8 minutes now :) | 21:19 |
| inte | maybe some peoble are adding shipping to their cases;) | 21:19 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | 8min till wgat? | 21:19 |
| Tegu | wget | 21:19 |
| xkr47 | stretch target 2 unlock | 21:19 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | haha | 21:19 |
| Tofe | People around here *love* ETAs :) | 21:20 |
| inte | xkr47 well but i guess might be hard to unlock the stretch target 3 then.. | 21:20 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | do you have a grpah or something? | 21:20 |
| xkr47 | inte, ask Morpog_PC__, he uses "peanuts" as unit of measure :) | 21:20 |
| xkr47 | (or she) | 21:20 |
| inte | ;) | 21:21 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Tofe: haha, remember the eta eta app idea? | 21:21 |
| lainwir3d | I do love ETA | 21:21 |
| xkr47 | AL13N_jolla_, no, normally I would have, but now I'm not sitting comfortably so only ascii reporting :) | 21:21 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | heh | 21:21 |
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| xkr47 | 6 minutes and counting | 21:21 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | 1395$ | 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | xkr47: to what? | 21:22 |
| xkr47 | someone could blow the bank with a micro-distibutor starterkit now :) | 21:22 |
| xkr47 | sebsebseb, 23:19:41 < xkr47> stretch target 2 unlock | 21:22 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | who is betting? | 21:22 |
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| Tofe | AL13N_jolla_: yeah, didn't touch it for a while | 21:23 |
| attah | This ETA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA | 21:23 |
| xkr47 | 5 minutes and counting | 21:23 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | i say 22:32 | 21:23 |
| xkr47 | 22:29 | 21:23 |
| Tofe | 22:28 | 21:23 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lets see who wins | 21:23 |
| lainwir3d | alright | 21:23 |
| lainwir3d | I'm buying the micro distributor | 21:23 |
| xkr47 | in CET then | 21:24 |
| * Morpog_PC__ is a he :D | 21:24 | |
| sebsebseb | right wlel I am about to do the tablet perk to get phone | 21:24 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | I mean the one whre already got tablet | 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but want phone to | 21:24 |
| Tofe | waitwaitwait, can you do that at 22:28 please ? :D | 21:24 |
| sebsebseb | let's do this now, a girl wil want to ring me back in a bit probably :D | 21:24 |
| lainwir3d | if you manage to get the timing right, you might be the one to get the "2nd stretch goal" | 21:24 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | 1141$ | 21:25 |
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| beidl | I drank my beer before hitting 1.75 million | 21:25 |
| beidl | I'm a bad person | 21:25 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 21:25 |
| xkr47 | waaa it's slowing down | 21:25 |
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| Tofe | xkr47: "Don't Panic". | 21:25 |
| xkr47 | 4 minutes and countng | 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N_jolla_: see #mageia :D | 21:25 |
| inte | i would be happy to get tje split screen | 21:25 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | 1092$ | 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N_jolla_: heh heh | 21:25 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feW2vTUJffI | 21:26 |
| inte | would be nice to have | 21:26 |
| inte | hopefully it will work out | 21:26 |
| lainwir3d | beidl: take a second one | 21:26 |
| beidl | 3 | 21:26 |
| beidl | 2 | 21:26 |
| Morpog_PC__ | 605$ | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | 1749395 | 21:26 |
| beidl | 1 and a half | 21:26 |
| xkr47 | 3 minutes and counting | 21:26 |
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| beidl | lainwir3d: I will | 21:26 |
| beidl | I have to | 21:26 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 21:26 |
| Tegu | it approaches the goal asymptotically | 21:27 |
| Morpog_PC__ | someone needs to pldge :D | 21:27 |
| Tegu | but never reaches it | 21:27 |
| Tofe | Tegu: no, it's your Refresh rate that increases :p | 21:27 |
| xkr47 | Tegu, "0.1 seconds and counting" :) | 21:27 |
| lainwir3d | hehehe | 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | AL13N_jolla_: actsully you are hte one I Know yeah? | 21:27 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | still 605 | 21:27 |
| Tofe | ah, c'mon! | 21:27 |
| xkr47 | people keep refreshing the page so hard nobody can pledge anymore!! come on people, stop refreshing!! *refresh* | 21:27 |
| inte | they still have 11 hours | 21:27 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | sebsebseb: of course | 21:28 |
| inte | hopefully they will make it | 21:28 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lets aim for 2,5 millions :D | 21:28 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 21:28 |
| lainwir3d | hehehe | 21:28 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | xkr47: :) | 21:28 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | 556 | 21:28 |
| xkr47 | 2 minutes and counting | 21:28 |
| beidl | 556 | 21:28 |
| tbr | quick, someone needs to pledge USD 2.25M ;) | 21:28 |
| tbr | eerrrr | 21:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 21:29 |
| Tofe | I lost my bet :'( good luck guys | 21:29 |
| tbr | 750k | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | damn | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | you're bluffing | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | 749,444 here.. | 21:29 |
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| Tofe | Done ! | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | DING ! | 21:29 |
| beidl | !!!!! | 21:29 |
| Merbot | beidl: Error: "!!!!" is not a valid command. | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | $1,750,211USD | 21:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | DONE | 21:29 |
| xkr47 | 22:29 !!!! | 21:29 |
| minimec | Amazing.... | 21:29 |
| xkr47 | I WIN !!!! | 21:29 |
| beidl | \o/ | 21:29 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | he means extra 750k needed for 3rd goal | 21:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | wohoooooooo | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | hehehe | 21:29 |
| lainwir3d | that's nice | 21:29 |
| beidl | *golfclap* | 21:30 |
| xkr47 | what do I get for winning? :D | 21:30 |
| lainwir3d | I wouldn't have bet on that one week ago | 21:30 |
| Nightmare__ | lainwir3d: me2 | 21:30 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | damn, the combo did it | 21:30 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 21:30 |
| lainwir3d | i guess so | 21:30 |
| beidl | xkr47: the jolla you funded ofc | 21:30 |
| Tofe | xkr47: please help yourself with a Lapin Kulta | 21:30 |
| inte | amazing! | 21:30 |
| lainwir3d | and people thinking "oh i will do that but later" | 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | Tofe: the case? you mean? | 21:31 |
| Tofe | sebsebseb: that's a beer :) | 21:31 |
| lainwir3d | the combo "only" did $46511 | 21:31 |
| beidl | ready to get drunk | 21:31 |
| inte | but jolla failed to update: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#description | 21:31 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 21:31 |
| lainwir3d | micro distrib $14000 | 21:31 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | they cant do that in just a minute | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | inte: probably comms guys in progress to do that | 21:32 |
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| inte | :) | 21:32 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lainwir3d: i meant the last jump | 21:32 |
| xkr47 | Tofe, :) | 21:32 |
| inte | not too serious;) | 21:32 |
| Nightmare__ | who's gonna pledge the other 750 k$? | 21:33 |
| Nightmare__ | :) | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | they're too drunk to update it | 21:34 |
| xkr47 | :D | 21:34 |
| gogeta | i just wanna say $20 is enough for shipping 2 tab + cover ? | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | let's hope they're drunk enough to lower the next pledge | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | and leaks some info | 21:34 |
| beidl | plot twist: mark shuttleworth funds the money for stretch goal 3 | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 21:34 |
| xkr47 | accidentally lower stretch target 3 to $1999999 | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | that would be awesome | 21:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ok, next goals here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects | 21:34 |
| lainwir3d | but my jolla would feel tainted | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | we are only place 40 atm :D | 21:35 |
| inte | I really like the case | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Place 39 should be doable | 21:35 |
| inte | dont know when they added it | 21:35 |
| lainwir3d | Ubuntu edge : " It had the highest target of any crowdfunded project to date, $32,000,000 over a one-month campaign." | 21:35 |
| gogeta | I buyed 2 tabs so ... | 21:35 |
| gogeta | and I was also a first oners | 21:36 |
| lainwir3d | yeah alright canonical. | 21:36 |
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| SK_Sailfish | \o/ | 21:36 |
| inte | just saw it now and instantly bought one | 21:36 |
| gogeta | hi SK_Sailfish | 21:36 |
| gogeta | SK_Sailfish, no one knows jolla in aerospace industry | 21:36 |
| xkr47 | 1751580 | 21:36 |
| gogeta | such shame | 21:36 |
| SK_Sailfish | I guess I'm late at the party | 21:36 |
| gogeta | yep | 21:36 |
| SK_Sailfish | gogeta: not a surprise, but not a problem atm | 21:37 |
| beidl | SK_Sailfish: mere minutes :) | 21:37 |
| gogeta | SK_Sailfish, the wow effect | 21:37 |
| SK_Sailfish | it was fast ... who said that europe was asleep ? | 21:37 |
| gogeta | need an external dvd reader for hp blade machine | 21:37 |
| gogeta | iso application a tataaaa | 21:37 |
| gogeta | install rhel without reader ... just a jolla phone | 21:38 |
| gogeta | :-D | 21:38 |
| beidl | gogeta: tried ISODrive from openrepos? | 21:38 |
| gogeta | with success | 21:38 |
| beidl | gogeta: glad to hear that :) | 21:38 |
| gogeta | I needed to put usb mode to charge only but the blade machine installed rhel like a sharm | 21:39 |
| gogeta | i think throughput is not enough ... | 21:39 |
| beidl | yeah I should force charge only mode when enabling an iso | 21:39 |
| gogeta | but for minimal install .... the rest via RH repos | 21:39 |
| gogeta | beidl, the desiderata create the menu for usbd | 21:40 |
| gogeta | todays was the jolla pride day | 21:40 |
| gogeta | i was in the middle of nowhere just with 2g and 4g | 21:40 |
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| beidl | gogeta: still, my app should do it automatically instead :) | 21:40 |
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| gogeta | didn't see the code neither the qml if any | 21:41 |
| gogeta | I forsee the problem last night | 21:41 |
| xkr47 | at current (past-1.75m) speed the end sum will be around $1850000 | 21:41 |
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| lainwir3d | split screen... so nice ! | 21:42 |
| lainwir3d | I hope they can do something with the last $100000 | 21:43 |
| lainwir3d | (except buy more champagne) | 21:43 |
| xkr47 | lol | 21:43 |
| Nightmare__ | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/brewie-world-s-first-fully-automated-home-brewery/x/9188291 | 21:44 |
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| Nightmare__ | would be perfect as a TOH :D | 21:44 |
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| beidl | the office is probably full of hookers right now... which means they'll desparately need the stretch goal 3 to be unlocked | 21:44 |
| xkr47 | Nightmare__ :D | 21:44 |
| lainwir3d | Nightmare__: hehe awesome | 21:44 |
| Aard | beidl: you mean so we're able to afford the coke to do off the hookers? | 21:45 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | haha, like RIOT! | 21:45 |
| lainwir3d | I would prefer an automated spirit still though | 21:45 |
| beidl | Aard: of course | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | the lights were off in the office when i went.. :P | 21:45 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | be careful of a CEO running naked through the office | 21:45 |
| lainwir3d | hehehe | 21:46 |
| beidl | "I accidentially stepped on someones face" | 21:46 |
| Nightmare__ | running? crawling.... :) | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | time for you people to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lrIi0ce5E | 21:46 |
| gogeta | more 70 dollars by me | 21:46 |
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| gogeta | hi Stskeeps | 21:46 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | you guys didnt see the RIOT ON! docu? | 21:47 |
| xkr47 | Nightmare__, a projectortoh would be nice :) | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: it's been watched 4-5 times during jolla time, yes.. | 21:47 |
| lainwir3d | well, the fun is over, good night everyone | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | ^^ that docu is at the youtube link above | 21:47 |
| xkr47 | good night all | 21:47 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: thx for the link | 21:47 |
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| xkr47 | thanks for making it a fun ride | 21:47 |
| gogeta | Nightmare__, brewing beer is not fun if is all automated | 21:48 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: so... how much is true for jolla :) | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: we're boring. | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:48 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | haha, just read on twitter: If jolla adds a jolla phone battery perk, then the 3rd goal will be reached in no time :D | 21:49 |
| Aard | AL13N_jolla_: I never snorted coke off Stskeeps bodyparts. really. | 21:49 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: boring is good | 21:49 |
| chem|st | Tofe: penis? sure! | 21:49 |
| beidl | Aard: We would believe you if you just said "it was an accident" | 21:49 |
| Aard | it never happened. | 21:49 |
| xkr47 | Morpog_PC__, good one, and I would get one :) | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC__ | got one in Jolla shop firesale already :D | 21:50 |
| bjorn | Is everybody here aware of the Indie project fundraiser? https://ind.ie/ | 21:50 |
| xkr47 | Morpog_PC__, https://together.jolla.com/question/69955/official-announcement-batteries-available-tuesday-9th-of-december-2014-1200-utc/ | 21:50 |
| bjorn | I think it would be a nice match for Jolla. | 21:50 |
| keithzg | xkr47: surely you mean ProjecTOH ;) | 21:50 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: didnt jolla have a dancer when the first one happened? | 21:50 |
| xkr47 | keithzg !! yes definately :) | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: only dancer i know of is lbt? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:51 |
| gogeta | Stskeeps, any photos ? | 21:51 |
| Nightmare__ | nice docu, i like the intro :D | 21:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | xkr47, as I said, I got one ;) | 21:51 |
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| lbt | :) | 21:51 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: the videos of that day with DNA popup shop? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: .. i don't know | 21:52 |
| beidl | "no sex person". and we in austria have conchita wurst... | 21:52 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | what? you were there! | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure i wasn't, anyhow, find it for me :P | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | oh, the launch day? | 21:52 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | yes | 21:52 |
| lbt | we had dancers on the launch day | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | true | 21:52 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | not naked though | 21:53 |
| lbt | nah - street style | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | i wasn't actually demoing that evening, i was busy drinking upstairs, i just saw videos afterwards :P | 21:53 |
| xkr47 | Morpog_PC__ lucky | 21:53 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | that's about the only part that matches | 21:53 |
| * lbt was demoing | 21:53 | |
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| xkr47 | why is it so hard to make those batteries | 21:53 |
| * Morpog_PC__ was watching the livestream | 21:53 | |
| xkr47 | they should team up with Tesla :D | 21:54 |
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| Nightmare__ | they can buy a battery fab in leibzig, it was bandoned by mercedes a few days ago | 21:54 |
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| xkr47 | perhaps with the last $100k they'll be getting :) | 21:56 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | haha... that halme... so funny: brilliant man, but i never understand anything he said | 21:57 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | hmm... is everone re-watching riot or something? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 22:05 |
| * AL13N_jolla_ too | 22:05 | |
| AL13N_jolla_ | its so funny | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have mormon priests in the company, afaik | 22:06 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 22:06 |
| gogeta | ahahah | 22:06 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | and no pornstar? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | we aren't allowed to ask such things in interviews. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:06 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | how about hiring family? | 22:06 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 22:06 |
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| beidl | is my python script to calculate the awesomeness of giraffes also going to be valued in the billion dollar range? | 22:07 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 22:08 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | only the concept | 22:08 |
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| beidl | takes several million man years to implement I guess | 22:09 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | lol | 22:11 |
| Tofe | beidl: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20617348/calling-a-function-from-another-file-in-python <-- is that you here ? | 22:12 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | heh xmen movies | 22:12 |
| * petteri1 gets jolla phone tomorrow :) | 22:12 | |
| beidl | Tofe: I'd love to get to know this man ahaha | 22:13 |
| beidl | one does not simply import giraffes | 22:13 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | lol riot-speed | 22:15 |
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| ryukafalz | \o/ split screen sailfish! | 22:17 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | lol the coders lived in the sauna | 22:18 |
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| inte | Damned this battery thing is anoying | 22:18 |
| inte | i would have bought one, probably | 22:18 |
| inte | if i had knewn... | 22:19 |
| inte | Known | 22:19 |
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| beidl | haha not only live there... | 22:21 |
| beidl | portimot, lets see if that one is on pirate bay | 22:21 |
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| beidl | MOOOOM!? do finns really drink completely nuuuuude?! | 22:26 |
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| falfa | only when armed | 22:31 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | 17000 overshoot already | 22:43 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | beidl: i wonderef that too | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | when in sauna? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:47 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | heh... no in the bars...? | 22:51 |
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| inte | Talking about ISODrive | 22:54 |
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| inte | Doesnt work for me :( | 22:54 |
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| mornfall | beidl: well, pirate bay is probably no more | 22:58 |
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| beidl | mornfall: I read up on it, mere hours before I wanted to download some fine finnish... movies | 23:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | mornfall: now for 3m! | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | mornfall: | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Morpog_PC__: | 23:01 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: no way | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | alas | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The page is somewhat ambiguous. | 23:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the perk is not hit - will the 3G still be available - but in some months - on existing hw? | 23:02 |
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| chem|st | lol | 23:18 |
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| mornfall | SpeedEvil: doesn't seem very likely | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends on stuff. | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the reference design in use contains support, and adding that support hardware would cost $5, it's probably worth it. | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply as >90% of people who can use it will - for $30 fee say. | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (proper market research of course...) | 23:31 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: it's probably going to be more like $100 | 23:33 |
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| mornfall | SpeedEvil: “If we reach $2.5M, you can upgrade your WiFi only Jolla Tablet to 3.5G+WiFi for a mere $30! With most tablets on the market, similar upgrade costs at least $100.” | 23:33 |
| ryukafalz | I probably wouldn't want it personally, especially if it's similar to phones where the baseband processor has full control over the main processor | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - but you absolutely can't do that with most tablets on the market after you've purchased them | 23:34 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: also, $5 doesn't sound like much, but it is a lot if your profit on the device is $20 | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | mornfall: indeed - however, $5 invested for $25 proftit (or more) later... | 23:35 |
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| mornfall | SpeedEvil: a cheap 3G module is $35, if you can get all the stuff around it into the discount you might get on those $35, to turn in a $25 profit that's $60 pre-taxes and without shipping for the upgrade | 23:39 |
| chem|st | have just seen a ASUS T100, apart of ram the same specs, some more ports and 80eur more expensive | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. I guess we'll know soon. | 23:40 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: overall, I don't think it's realistic... maybe on a tablet version 2 | 23:40 |
| chem|st | mornfall: who needs 3G on a tablet? seriously what for? | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Some processors are upcoming that might be just in time for this that do have integrated 3G | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's a 3G module - then yes - that has extra costs. | 23:41 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: the SoC is already decided | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | mornfall: yes. I don't know which one it is though. | 23:42 |
| mornfall | SpeedEvil: and of course, after-sale upgrades of the SoC are completely unrealistic :-) | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Lies! | 23:42 |
| * SpeedEvil has a hot-air station. | 23:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | (but yes) | 23:42 |
| chem|st | the hardware is actually pretty neat, for $200 | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If it actually requires all the bits - a 'proper' 3G module - then no - it's not going to happen. | 23:43 |
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| mornfall | chem|st: there's plenty uses for 3G on a tablet... it makes a much better map than a phone, for one | 23:43 |
| mornfall | chem|st: and since non-A GPS is going to be very painful and there are no offline maps... well :) | 23:43 |
| chem|st | mornfall: ah you got a phone, just tether! | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | For me, I'd like it for those spots in the garden I don't have wifi | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | And occasional calls. | 23:44 |
| chem|st | ok thats valid | 23:44 |
| chem|st | you want a phablet... | 23:44 |
| mornfall | chem|st: tethering is a battery killer, so I'd better also carry a battery pack then | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Also tethering raises another attack surface | 23:45 |
| chem|st | mornfall: where you use your tablet a charger is not far away | 23:45 |
| ryukafalz | not necessarily | 23:46 |
| chem|st | what you guys are doing is moaning on pretty high standards | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: I think we all know that. | 23:46 |
| mornfall | chem|st: no, you are saying that 3G is useless | 23:46 |
| mornfall | I just contest that | 23:46 |
| chem|st | I say you are highly overrating it, not that it is useless | 23:46 |
| mornfall | I would'nt pay $100 extra for a 3G tablet of course | 23:46 |
| mornfall | possibly not even $30 | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | For me, I'd have little need for the phone, if I had a tablet with 3g | 23:46 |
| chem|st | lol | 23:46 |
| mornfall | but it's still a nice feature | 23:47 |
| chem|st | mornfall: you want 3g for free, buy a kindle | 23:47 |
| ryukafalz | SpeedEvil: Fair enough, a tablet with 3G would make a decent phone | 23:47 |
| mornfall | chem|st: no, learn to read | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Even if it's bad at calls, I make so few calls that it's enough. | 23:47 |
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| ryukafalz | really need multipath tcp else switching between 3G and wifi so often gets annoying | 23:48 |
| chem|st | mornfall: you get more than just downloading books with the 3g of a kindle | 23:48 |
| chem|st | ryukafalz: you have at least your tablet you can charge your phone from... | 23:49 |
| chem|st | and you can have 3g, as we have OTG you can have anything within 100mA@5V | 23:50 |
| mornfall | (otg doesn't automatically mean that anything you plug in will be properly supported by the software though) | 23:50 |
| mornfall | (of course, you can probably hack it in with some skill) | 23:51 |
| chem|st | mornfall: we are in a linux enviroment, I just expect you to buy linux compatible hardware only | 23:51 |
| ryukafalz | Sailfish being mostly stock Linux helps | 23:51 |
| chem|st | all usbdevices I have work down to raspi | 23:52 |
| ryukafalz | also does the jolla tablet have usb host support? | 23:52 |
| ryukafalz | nvm, got it, it was text in an image | 23:53 |
| mornfall | ryukafalz: that's what OTG means yes | 23:53 |
| chem|st | ryukafalz: what do you mean? we have USB-OTG | 23:53 |
| ryukafalz | that's what I meant, yeah - I searched OTG on the indiegogo page but didn't find anything heh | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: ~0 3G things are like that | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - other than phones | 23:54 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: the stick my grandma had was 125mA | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | For 3g? | 23:55 |
| chem|st | and it worked OOTB | 23:55 |
| chem|st | yes, I had to deactivate the PIN request on a windows and after that it was plug and play | 23:55 |
| ryukafalz | I think this will actually be my first mobile device with OTG support. Need to get myself some adapters. | 23:55 |
| chem|st | was limited to 7Mbit iirc | 23:56 |
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| chem|st | might be that it was the idle consumption | 23:56 |
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| chem|st | but I was used to those getting warm and all and that one didn't | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesign | 23:57 |
| chem|st | three branded huawei I think | 23:57 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: what part is interesting, that it actually worked or the powerconsumption | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: both | 23:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the 125mA is real | 23:58 |
| chem|st | I have all kind of connectivity things here that just work.. bgn adaptors a BT100m adaptor (that gets hot!) | 23:59 |
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